Microsoft Kills The Ability To Uninstall Stock Apps From Windows 10

tablets are set to tablet mode with all used items pinned desktop is normal start menu with most all shortcuts on the desktop
 
ManofGod said:
Why would I concern myself about uptime on a desktop OS, unless i have a specific reason to do so. How about trying to service defective equipment on those machines and see how stable they remain, that is the real challenge from my work in IT.
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I have never had a problem with windows up time! It always needed a reboot or something that caused it to go down.

If they ever come out with windows 11, then the MS zealots will be preaching it is the best OS ever created. Just like they did with 8/8.1.
Pretty soon you will have to ask permission from MS to install anything......
 
Hagrid said:
I have never had a problem with windows up time! It always needed a reboot or something that caused it to go down.

If they ever come out with windows 11, then the MS zealots will be preaching it is the best OS ever created. Just like they did with 8/8.1.
Pretty soon you will have to ask permission from MS to install anything......
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I can see forced cloud installs.
Fun, not.
 
Smashing Young Man said:
I never use the start menu either. I have my most used programs organized in custom toolbars on the right, and the very most common programs pinned on the left, with a smattering of desktop shortcuts.
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This. I have 2 W10 machines and I honestly had to click on the Start button to even remember what was on that screen. I have a couple of desktop icons for the handful of stuff I use a lot, the programs I use occasionally are in the taskbar, a few things that start up with the system in the little area above the ^ symbol, and I instinctively right click the Start button any time I want Control Panel or File Explorer or Command Prompt. I don't think I've ever used a single thing on that tablet screen looking start page on either machine and rarely even see it - the most likely thing being when I accidently forget to right click the Start button.
 
ManofGod said:
Why would I concern myself about uptime on a desktop OS, unless i have a specific reason to do so. How about trying to service defective equipment on those machines and see how stable they remain, that is the real challenge from my work in IT.
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There's still a number of features relating to AmigaOS that I still think are a great idea to this day.
 
Hagrid said:
I have never had a problem with windows up time! It always needed a reboot or something that caused it to go down.

If they ever come out with windows 11, then the MS zealots will be preaching it is the best OS ever created. Just like they did with 8/8.1.
Pretty soon you will have to ask permission from MS to install anything......
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8/8.1 best? It was different. From a stability POV, it wasn't worse than 7.
 
I'm surprised people are saying the only app they use is Calculator, when it's a giant piece of shit. Not only does it take longer to open, it has a fraction of the functionality the Win7 calc has. Since Win8, one of the first things I do is install the classic calc:

http://www.intowindows.com/calculator-windows-10/

The only "metro" app I actually use is the Xbox app. It's the only app that actually provides new functionality for a large demographic (sorry, most people will never open 3D Builder) and actually benefits aesthetically from the larger, tile-y design. If it wasn't for the Xbox app, the Windows store and all the crap alongside of it would be ripped out of every Windows install for me.
 
Flapjack said:
I'm surprised people are saying the only app they use is Calculator, when it's a giant piece of shit. Not only does it take longer to open, it has a fraction of the functionality the Win7 calc has. Since Win8, one of the first things I do is install the classic calc:

http://www.intowindows.com/calculator-windows-10/

The only "metro" app I actually use is the Xbox app. It's the only app that actually provides new functionality for a large demographic (sorry, most people will never open 3D Builder) and actually benefits aesthetically from the larger, tile-y design. If it wasn't for the Xbox app, the Windows store and all the crap alongside of it would be ripped out of every Windows install for me.
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Really? The calculator app loads instantly on all my computers and has a considerable amount of functions. Perhaps you were unaware of the hamburger menu that gives you all the features?
 
GiGaBiTe said:
You seemed to have missed the part where I said "without significant hacks to the OS". Turning off WU in Windows 10 classifies as a hack because MS has done everything possible to prevent the user from doing so.
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I wouldn't say "Microsoft has done everything possible to prevent the user from doing so".

When a single command "sc config wuauserv start= disabled" takes care of it completely, I wouldn't exactly call it a major hack.
 
mdburkey said:
I wouldn't say "Microsoft has done everything possible to prevent the user from doing so".

When a single command "sc config wuauserv start= disabled" takes care of it completely, I wouldn't exactly call it a major hack.
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While I agree it's not a hack, it's pretty far from an option where the average person can go, "I don't want to any updates, I'll just click the turn off windows updates button". Most people need help configuring their email client, if you think they would be aware of the command line option to disable WU you are mistaken.
 
Flapjack said:
I'm surprised people are saying the only app they use is Calculator, when it's a giant piece of shit. Not only does it take longer to open, it has a fraction of the functionality the Win7 calc has. Since Win8, one of the first things I do is install the classic calc:

http://www.intowindows.com/calculator-windows-10/

The only "metro" app I actually use is the Xbox app. It's the only app that actually provides new functionality for a large demographic (sorry, most people will never open 3D Builder) and actually benefits aesthetically from the larger, tile-y design. If it wasn't for the Xbox app, the Windows store and all the crap alongside of it would be ripped out of every Windows install for me.
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1. it opens almost instantly on mine...if the old calc is faster, it's irrelevant, because I can't move my finger from the button I use to open it to the num pad and start typing numbers before it's open.

what features are missing? I have Standard, Scientific, programmer. It also has date calculations and volume, length, weight/mass and temp conversions (none of which were in the original calculator, AFAIK). As I recall, once you resize it, it doesn't take up much space (but before that, it was a bit big for my taste).
 
Of course, it's hard to claim that completely disabling updates is really a great solution to the problem....
 
/usr/sbin said:
While I agree it's not a hack, it's pretty far from an option where the average person can go, "I don't want to any updates, I'll just click the turn off windows updates button". Most people need help configuring their email client, if you think they would be aware of the command line option to disable WU you are mistaken.
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Most computer users are idiots. They need everything done for them. Hell, I've got friends who are Electrical Engineers that need Auto Updates turned on, because back in the days where it was optional, they updated almost never. I'd visit and they had 6 months of updates queued.

MS is doing this right. If you can't google how to turn off Windows Update (and definitely if you need help configuring an email client), windows update needs to be on and automatically install updates ASAP.
 
nilepez said:
Most computer users are idiots. They need everything done for them. Hell, I've got friends who are Electrical Engineers that need Auto Updates turned on, because back in the days where it was optional, they updated almost never. I'd visit and they had 6 months of updates queued.

MS is doing this right. If you can't google how to turn off Windows Update (and definitely if you need help configuring an email client), windows update needs to be on and automatically install updates ASAP.
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I don't totally agree with this. From what I'm seeing people are combating a lack of control over updates by disabling Windows update completely either via registry or third party hacks - Hardly an ideal solution. The main reason why people disabled Windows updates in the past was due to the good 'ol "applying update 1 of 40" on boot when all you wanted to do was quickly check your email.

Microsoft has to work out a way that Windows can be updated in the background without needing to apply updates on boot or shutdown, the only update that should need to be applied on boot is a kernel update and even then it shouldn't even really be noticeable.

Windows is the only OS that just can't get this right, and now it's compounded by a lack of fine control over updates and the fact that it's not uncommon for an update, especially a driver update, to completely bork the whole system.
 
nilepez said:
wasted typing. For 10 bashers, it doesn't matter if it can be configured. If it's not in their preferred config by default, it's the worst OS ever (and I'm only slightly exaggerating).
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More like it doesn't matter if it can be configured because MS will reset it back to their defaults after an update anyway.

Thus the expression, "Defaults matter".

How anyone defends this bullshit is beyond comprehension.
 
nilepez said:
Most computer users are idiots. They need everything done for them. Hell, I've got friends who are Electrical Engineers that need Auto Updates turned on, because back in the days where it was optional, they updated almost never. I'd visit and they had 6 months of updates queued.

MS is doing this right. If you can't google how to turn off Windows Update (and definitely if you need help configuring an email client), windows update needs to be on and automatically install updates ASAP.
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When MS stops releasing updates that hose the entire OS, then they can fully enable updates to be on, until then, we need to have a choice.
 
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ManofGod said:
Really? The calculator app loads instantly on all my computers and has a considerable amount of functions. Perhaps you were unaware of the hamburger menu that gives you all the features?
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I did notice on early builds it did take a little longer than it should to load. Even now I notice that if I haven't launched it yet after a reboot it might take 2 - 2.5 seconds to load, after that first time then yeah pretty instant load for me. First few builds, I did notice some 7 - 15 second load times. So he might just not have tried it at the very least since the anniversary update.
 
DPI said:
More like it doesn't matter if it can be configured because MS will reset it back to their defaults after an update anyway.

Thus the expression, "Defaults matter".

How anyone defends this bullshit is beyond comprehension.
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You keep saying that, and yet when I finally did the AU last fall, NONE of my settings changed. In the past they did, but not then, so it sounds like they fixed that issue months ago.
 
MrGuvernment said:
When MS stops releasing updates that hose the entire OS, then they can fully enable updates to be on, until then, we need to have a choice.
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If you can't figure out how to turn them off, they need to be on. If you can, then do what you please. It's really fucking that simple. People who can't figure out how to google a solution have no business turning off updates. And yes, some who can shouldn't either. Frankly, I suspect a lot of people who bitch on this forum aren't competent enough to decide what should or should not be applied.

As for hosing your system, sucks to be you. The only time I had an issue from a patch was in the fall of 2015. Removed the update and never had the issue come back. I had far more issues in XP, Vista and 7 (maybe 8.1 too, but I didn't run it that long).
 
Exavior said:
I did notice on early builds it did take a little longer than it should to load. Even now I notice that if I haven't launched it yet after a reboot it might take 2 - 2.5 seconds to load, after that first time then yeah pretty instant load for me. First few builds, I did notice some 7 - 15 second load times. So he might just not have tried it at the very least since the anniversary update.
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Really? Almost want to load a fresh copy of 10 without patches (but I won't). I only recall hating the size....so I resized it :D
 
nilepez said:
Really? Almost want to load a fresh copy of 10 without patches (but I won't). I only recall hating the size....so I resized it :D
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I don't recall it being an issue for long. Heck, now thinking back that could have been a beta build. Starting with Vista I have ran all windows versions since the very first beta release as my main OS so after awhile I forget were I notice things at. I just recall for awhile I did have to wait a short while for it to load. Not enough that it ever bothered me, but enough that I noticed it.
 
nilepez said:
If you can't figure out how to turn them off, they need to be on. If you can, then do what you please. It's really fucking that simple. People who can't figure out how to google a solution have no business turning off updates. And yes, some who can shouldn't either. Frankly, I suspect a lot of people who bitch on this forum aren't competent enough to decide what should or should not be applied.

As for hosing your system, sucks to be you. The only time I had an issue from a patch was in the fall of 2015. Removed the update and never had the issue come back. I had far more issues in XP, Vista and 7 (maybe 8.1 too, but I didn't run it that long).
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Sucks to be me, not really, sucks to be MS not testing their patches as we know full well they lack on most of the time and they pass it off to the end user. Glad you have not had many issues, trying support thousands of users across many companies for an managed IT firm and watch how fast windows updates can hose a system and on scale, especially when you take over a company that does not use WSUS or have a proper testing process in place for updates, which most companies do not, they just patch and pray.


Perhaps I am out of the loop, but unless your running Pro or Ent, Windows 10 did not allow you to turn off the auto updates, or have they since changed that?

Now lets get into the monthly roll ups, great idea and i love them, but it sucks when one roll up causes a problem for a specific app in an ent. environment and now you must uninstall the entire months worth of patches, so now your keeping a potentially un-secure system in place due to MS wanting to bunch everything together because you not individually remove 1 update from the entire roll up.
 
onetech said:
Like Sadsteve said, I use and install Classic Shell on my pc's and all my customers. I also run 10AppsManager that i get from Majorgeeks.com to remove all the apps except for store. It sounds heartless, but we don't need crapware and some hacker moron will exploit one of these apps someday if they already haven't. It's not like Windows has enough holes in it already, we don't need more.
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This is my argument. I don't like having masses of unwanted and unused crap on my machine. If I don't use it I want it off my machine, as its probably just another exploit waiting to happen.
 
MrGuvernment said:
Sucks to be me, not really, sucks to be MS not testing their patches as we know full well they lack on most of the time and they pass it off to the end user. Glad you have not had many issues, trying support thousands of users across many companies for an managed IT firm and watch how fast windows updates can hose a system and on scale, especially when you take over a company that does not use WSUS or have a proper testing process in place for updates, which most companies do not, they just patch and pray.


Perhaps I am out of the loop, but unless your running Pro or Ent, Windows 10 did not allow you to turn off the auto updates, or have they since changed that?

Now lets get into the monthly roll ups, great idea and i love them, but it sucks when one roll up causes a problem for a specific app in an ent. environment and now you must uninstall the entire months worth of patches, so now your keeping a potentially un-secure system in place due to MS wanting to bunch everything together because you not individually remove 1 update from the entire roll up.
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Shouldn't an enterprise IT department test the patches before rolling them out? I thought that was pretty standard practice for all but the smallest companies, though sometimes there's an exception for IT workers/Devs.
 
nilepez said:
Shouldn't an enterprise IT department test the patches before rolling them out? I thought that was pretty standard practice for all but the smallest companies, though sometimes there's an exception for IT workers/Devs.
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They can't afford such practice as they're spending so much on Windows licencing.... ;)
 
BulletDust said:
They can't afford such practice as they're spending so much on Windows licencing.... ;)
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LOL. If a company can't afford a Windows License, they probably they definitely can't afford any software (especially all the expensive vertical software that most companies use).
 
nilepez said:
Shouldn't MICROSOFT test the patches before rolling them out?
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FTFY. Apparently MS saw "agile" development trending as a buzzword, so they took it as an invitation to lay off the QA division and transfer the testing burden on to customers.

Not working out so great for 10 so far.. More botched patches and bad drivers slipping through to general release than any previous version of Windows. And no way to stop it without resorting to temporary hacks.

This crap is indefensible.
 
Microsoft surprise me all the time with lower and lower quality.
I used to have a positive image of MS but every week almost there is something new they put a negative aspect on.
Even DX12 is in a sorry state, proving too much for them to handle, so they open sourced it.
It seems like they are unable to finish what they start, cutting corners to make a release.
The general direction things are going is alienating their own customers.
The lack of QA is telling. Getting rid of them shows this wont improve.
 
DPI said:
FTFY. Apparently MS saw "agile" development trending as a buzzword, so they took it as an invitation to lay off the QA division and transfer the testing burden on to customers.

Not working out so great for 10 so far.. More botched patches and bad drivers slipping through to general release than any previous version of Windows. And no way to stop it without resorting to temporary hacks.

This crap is indefensible.
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If your IT department is worth a crap they test patches before deploying them. If you think otherwise, your IT department isn't worth a crap. With that said, aside from a single issue 15 months ago, I've had no issues with MS patches on 10.
 
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