James Cameron To Godfather New “Terminator” With “Deadpool” Helmer Tim Miller

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I consider the first Terminator and Judgment Day to be two of the greatest sci-fi action films ever made. The sequels that followed were, at least comparatively, garbage, and the reason is rather obvious—Jim wasn’t around to write and direct. I really thought Cameron was done with the franchise, but he is reportedly getting involved again, although he is leaving much of the work up to Deadpool director Tim Miller. That’s no surprise, since he’s doing…what, 10 Avatar movies?

…the franchise seemed out of gas when the $155 million film grossed $440 million worldwide, but didn’t do nearly well enough in the U.S. Perhaps Cameron was foreshadowing his own future return to the franchise. Much the way that Sony used to rush Spider-Man movies to stay ahead of a rights-reversion ticking clock, it was always known that Cameron would regain clout eventually. It didn’t seem that Skydance or Paramount had much interest continuing the creative track of the last film, but real creative involvement by Cameron, even if he doesn’t direct, changes the whole ballgame. One only has to look at Aliens, True Lies, Titanic or Avatar to see what he is capable of creatively when he puts his mind to something.
 
Let us debate....

T1: Epic, genre-defining Horror-SciFi-Action movie. It's got scary parts, it's got Sci-Fi, it's got a compelling story and by the end you're invested in the small cadre of characters and this dark look at a future ahead we don't want, and feel real anxiety right until the end. Whatta flick!

T2: Huge Big-Budget Action CrapFest. This is a Disney movie, a boy and his robot dog and his mom. The bad guy can turn into absolutely anything and is unable to be damaged by bullets......and yet it keeps losing out in "Aww, shucks!" knee slapper moments time after time after time....again, it's a Disney movie. Think its PG13, right?. Unscary bad guy wrapped-around 5 staged stunt sequences. Cameron Sucks.

T3: Like Thunderball/Never Say Never Again, when a group of investors get together to pay an aging star money to reprise a role AND re-tell the exact same story, just tweaked, no good can come. T3 retells T2, damn-near shot for shot, with an aging Arnold reprising his role. Pure. Shit.

T: Salvation: I don't care what any of you fucks say, this is a *great* movie. It's as close to the first T1 in terms of grittiness and presence, while having some of the big-budget feel of T2. The robots kill people in this movie, it makes you feel invested, and they are scary robots too. I likey. Plus, Michael Ironsides.

T: Genysis: As much as I wanted to hate this movie.....I can't, in fact, I think it's rewatchable. Ahnold is sufficiently behind-the-scenes most of the time, the story jumps around enough to keep you thinking, and the action sequences aren't absurd. They spent money on the sets and while it gets a little "we've been here before" towards the end, it's interesting. Good Actors helps. The marketing campaign for this film made it seem like the worst decision anyone had ever made, but the movie itself is smarter than the trailers made it seem.

Ranking:
T1, T Salvation, T:Genysis, T2, T3

I look forward to a reboot, but given Hollywood at this time....I can almost smell the agendas. Also...let's be frank.....they've retold the Judgement Day scenario a dozen times now (or so it feels), we've seen the same story retold four or five times. They need to come up with a different angle.......maybe terminators are already all around us, waiting. (Of course, then it's John Carpenters THEY LIVE)...
 
I'm down with this. I always loved the Terminator series. Wish they would finish the series too.
 
HeadRusch said:
Let us debate....

T1: Epic, genre-defining Horror-SciFi-Action movie. It's got scary parts, it's got Sci-Fi, it's got a compelling story and by the end you're invested in the small cadre of characters and this dark look at a future ahead we don't want, and feel real anxiety right until the end. Whatta flick!

T2: Huge Big-Budget Action CrapFest. This is a Disney movie, a boy and his robot dog and his mom. The bad guy can turn into absolutely anything and is unable to be damaged by bullets......and yet it keeps losing out in "Aww, shucks!" knee slapper moments time after time after time....again, it's a Disney movie. Think its PG13, right?. Unscary bad guy wrapped-around 5 staged stunt sequences. Cameron Sucks.

T3: Like Thunderball/Never Say Never Again, when a group of investors get together to pay an aging star money to reprise a role AND re-tell the exact same story, just tweaked, no good can come. T3 retells T2, damn-near shot for shot, with an aging Arnold reprising his role. Pure. Shit.

T: Salvation: I don't care what any of you fucks say, this is a *great* movie. It's as close to the first T1 in terms of grittiness and presence, while having some of the big-budget feel of T2. The robots kill people in this movie, it makes you feel invested, and they are scary robots too. I likey. Plus, Michael Ironsides.

T: Genysis: As much as I wanted to hate this movie.....I can't, in fact, I think it's rewatchable. Ahnold is sufficiently behind-the-scenes most of the time, the story jumps around enough to keep you thinking, and the action sequences aren't absurd. They spent money on the sets and while it gets a little "we've been here before" towards the end, it's interesting. Good Actors helps. The marketing campaign for this film made it seem like the worst decision anyone had ever made, but the movie itself is smarter than the trailers made it seem.

Ranking:
T1, T Salvation, T:Genysis, T2, T3

I look forward to a reboot, but given Hollywood at this time....I can almost smell the agendas. Also...let's be frank.....they've retold the Judgement Day scenario a dozen times now (or so it feels), we've seen the same story retold four or five times. They need to come up with a different angle.......maybe terminators are already all around us, waiting. (Of course, then it's John Carpenters THEY LIVE)...
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What's funny, since you brought it up, is that it was Terminator Salvation that was rated PG-13 while T2 was rated R.

For me it is T2, T1, T Salvation, T: Geneysis, T3
 
T-1 great, T-2 good, T-3 ok, T-S crap, T-G I didn't waste my time. If i hear good things about the next one, I will see it.
 
I liked the newer ones only because they served to setup some of the back story (or is it, forward story in this case?).

I think a prequel to T1 might be fun, where we explore the earth before, during, and after the machines take over. It'd feature a lot of robot-killing-humans violence.
 
T2 was ok, but not on the fucking pedestal that people always put it. Oooh no fate but what we make, yeah that's so cool... NO! I'm fucking sorry that's a god damn happy feel good out for a movie to say "oh this thing from the FUTURE that fucking comes here will all of a sudden not have that future", and yeah yeah yeah many worlds interpretation or whatever, fact of the matter is T2 was just a big blockbuster action fest type of a movie that was absolutely lacking at the end because they had to go "happy ending" direction. While T1 had a "happy" ending at least it wasn't so ballsy to try and stop any future sequels by saying that they can't exist because the future doesn't exist. That was the one thing I liked about T3, which overall it was a silly movie, the ending of that movie IMO redeemed the entire movie by not going in the happy direction.
 
sfsuphysics said:
T2 was ok, but not on the fucking pedestal that people always put it. Oooh no fate but what we make, yeah that's so cool... NO! I'm fucking sorry that's a god damn happy feel good out for a movie to say "oh this thing from the FUTURE that fucking comes here will all of a sudden not have that future", and yeah yeah yeah many worlds interpretation or whatever, fact of the matter is T2 was just a big blockbuster action fest type of a movie that was absolutely lacking at the end because they had to go "happy ending" direction. While T1 had a "happy" ending at least it wasn't so ballsy to try and stop any future sequels by saying that they can't exist because the future doesn't exist. That was the one thing I liked about T3, which overall it was a silly movie, the ending of that movie IMO redeemed the entire movie by not going in the happy direction.
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I am with you, I don't see what is so great about the movie. I think it is the same complex that make people think old games where great even when they were shit. Back then many people were probably in their teens so they thought the movie was great, now years later when movie of the same quality are made they think they are crap because they actually have a reference of what is a good and a bad movie, but they still view something that they thought was great at the age of 10 as being a great movie now.
 
I think the weakest character in all Terminator movies is John Connor. I don't know if its the character or the actors playing him, but I never felt any connection with him, nor he seemed anywhere near a resistance leader.

I actually liked Genisys, I think its the most underrated of the terminator series.
 
Stoly said:
I think the weakest character in all Terminator movies is John Connor. I don't know if its the character or the actors playing him, but I never felt any connection with him, nor he seemed anywhere near a resistance leader.

I actually liked Genisys, I think its the most underrated of the terminator series.
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really? how about sarah connor lecturing teenage john about homework in the TV series? I am thinking that wasn't her. it was genisys' vodoo.... I mean terminator 5 6000 version of her. nothing else would make sense
 
Avatar is proof the ole Jim is gone Full Lucas . In the meantime Gale Ann Hurd has been consistently producing great action both on tv and film. Seems his ex-wives may have had more to do with his success than people care to admit.
 
meanmodda[H] said:
Avatar is proof the ole Jim is gone Full Lucas . In the meantime Gale Ann Hurd has been consistently producing great action both on tv and film. Seems his ex-wives may have had more to do with his success than people care to admit.
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Totally agree. And I'm convinced Avatar bombed because she wasn't involved. #alternativefacts
 
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Fucking shivers every time.
 
HeadRusch said:
T2: Huge Big-Budget Action CrapFest. This is a Disney movie, a boy and his robot dog and his mom. The bad guy can turn into absolutely anything and is unable to be damaged by bullets......and yet it keeps losing out in "Aww, shucks!" knee slapper moments time after time after time....again, it's a Disney movie. Think its PG13, right?. Unscary bad guy wrapped-around 5 staged stunt sequences. Cameron Sucks.
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Because, like many people trying to be above the crowd you are judging Cameron on something he wasn't focusing on. "Oh James Cameron can't write a line to save his life....Avatar is blue Pocahontas". Cameron IS NOT a story guy. Cameron is a cinematography guy. He makes a story that is just good enough to allow him to make the scene he needs to do. It would be like calling a love story movie a failure because the special effects were minimal.....weird that no one ever says that huh....

T2 is incredible because it's 25 years old and STILL stands up. It's a technology showcase movie, that still looks good. Nobody was doing that kind of movie in 1991. Cameron doesn't fuck around with his visuals. The T1000 still looks very good today. The water worm from Abyss still looks good today. Cameron said he was willing to cut the entire sequence of the water worm if it didn't look realistic. He's commited to excellence. The audio cues, the color, the framing, everything. Photoshop was actually a by product of Terminator 2. Even the ability to take a basically useless actor like Schwarzenegger who looked ridiculous and talked ridiculous and make him perfect for a movie (including my favorite True Lies). He made Arnold a legitimate actor.

Cameron has directed 7 (major) movies. Every one of them was a huge success.
 
Also regarding Avatar, Cameron stated these goals for the movie.
  1. Create scenes so realistic your eye could not tell whats real and what isn't
  2. Get people back to the theater.
So judge him on that.
 
Genysis is not a bad movie, if you've got Prime you should carve out the 2 hours, really the first 15 minutes are worth the price of admission (if you're familiar with the early Terminator films, anyhow).
 
HeadRusch said:
Genysis is not a bad movie, if you've got Prime you should carve out the 2 hours, really the first 15 minutes are worth the price of admission (if you're familiar with the early Terminator films, anyhow).
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It was cool to see the recreation of the first movie so faithfully, but for me it was too much fan service. To the point it was distracting. It wasn't bad, but if you weren't intimately familiar with the first I could imagine you're sitting there watching the first half of the movie thinking whats going on here. Also no boobies like in T1....well actually I think there was a brief flash when they went into the time portal thing.
 
Stoly said:
Avatar Bombed?
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I think it's a nod to saying something that is not true, but asserting it in a way that implies that it is. It's a reference to the current climate of media. Which side the reference gives favor to, I couldn't tell from the context.
 
HeadRusch said:
Let us debate....

T1: Epic, genre-defining Horror-SciFi-Action movie. It's got scary parts, it's got Sci-Fi, it's got a compelling story and by the end you're invested in the small cadre of characters and this dark look at a future ahead we don't want, and feel real anxiety right until the end. Whatta flick!

T2: Huge Big-Budget Action CrapFest. This is a Disney movie, a boy and his robot dog and his mom. The bad guy can turn into absolutely anything and is unable to be damaged by bullets......and yet it keeps losing out in "Aww, shucks!" knee slapper moments time after time after time....again, it's a Disney movie. Think its PG13, right?. Unscary bad guy wrapped-around 5 staged stunt sequences. Cameron Sucks.

T3: Like Thunderball/Never Say Never Again, when a group of investors get together to pay an aging star money to reprise a role AND re-tell the exact same story, just tweaked, no good can come. T3 retells T2, damn-near shot for shot, with an aging Arnold reprising his role. Pure. Shit.

T: Salvation: I don't care what any of you fucks say, this is a *great* movie. It's as close to the first T1 in terms of grittiness and presence, while having some of the big-budget feel of T2. The robots kill people in this movie, it makes you feel invested, and they are scary robots too. I likey. Plus, Michael Ironsides.

T: Genysis: As much as I wanted to hate this movie.....I can't, in fact, I think it's rewatchable. Ahnold is sufficiently behind-the-scenes most of the time, the story jumps around enough to keep you thinking, and the action sequences aren't absurd. They spent money on the sets and while it gets a little "we've been here before" towards the end, it's interesting. Good Actors helps. The marketing campaign for this film made it seem like the worst decision anyone had ever made, but the movie itself is smarter than the trailers made it seem.

Ranking:
T1, T Salvation, T:Genysis, T2, T3

I look forward to a reboot, but given Hollywood at this time....I can almost smell the agendas. Also...let's be frank.....they've retold the Judgement Day scenario a dozen times now (or so it feels), we've seen the same story retold four or five times. They need to come up with a different angle.......maybe terminators are already all around us, waiting. (Of course, then it's John Carpenters THEY LIVE)...
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Completely agree with everything you said, including ranking.

T2 was, in fact, rated R. I was 8-9 years old when I first saw T2 and it certainly doesn't hold up today. Of course I thought it was the most amazing thing I ever saw as a kid.

The whole of T3 was shit, but I think they nailed the ending. Still not worth the price of admission.

Was pleasantly surprised by Genysis. Glad I took a leap of faith and saw it in IMAX.

I just hope Cameron doesn't go full George Lucas with the next film. Avatar doesn't inspire much confidence that Cameron still has it when it comes to making a good, cohesive action movie anymore.
 
westrock2000 said:
Also regarding Avatar, Cameron stated these goals for the movie.
  1. Create scenes so realistic your eye could not tell whats real and what isn't
  2. Get people back to the theater.
So judge him on that.
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failed on both accounts with me... things looked fake AF and after the horrible "3D" experience it was a huge sell for me to save money and concentrate on my home theater...
 
I really liked Genysis! I thought Arnold and Emilia Clarke did a great job in their respective roles. My daughter still laughs when Arnold smiles.

Jai Courtney as Reese was the only part I did not care for. I like him as an actor but he blew the role 1000%.

Curious where Cameron will go since the Genysis line seems dead. Clarke won't come back at this point so continuing with the same story and different SC seems odd. I know I read it will be a reboot but hopefully with Miller's help Cameron can finally end the story right.

Either Skynet dies or we all do. Would be great to see Cameron get all dark and the machines actually win.
 
First I am laughing I have been trying to figure out who that director was but like every other actor they eventually stand in pose they had to create to for some role, that is the same guy who played joe dirt. I don't remember the actors name but defiantly the same person. The terminator movies I saw the first when the eighties were around the first time... Arnold did not understand a work of English being from the check republic and would say one liners with a straight face because he literaly did not know what he was saying was absurd or funny. That type of straight man is hard to pull off so it is not as funny when the person knows what they are saying is funny because they start laughing. Might be why hollywood started into the method acting that twisted the industry into the place it is now but the shock and awe was in not showing the details but making people think about them... the later gag reel they filmed a cg character to make you think it is him ten years after the filming. I have no idea if they filmed him neked for his debut into holly wood but I know a couple of the people who worked on the cg and they were laughing the whole time apperently they model they started with was partial model. Then again in genesis toby mcguire is playing another big guy so they could cut into the plastic of the head and fit the metal parts to it. The break downs of him in the cell or what ever it was not sure where it happened in the movie has him sitting in the dark with the metal braces that support the fat suit that makes him look larger than life. The girl is funnier she is old cg models that were acquired by house of moves then sold off to pay off their creditors while no one paid the original studio they came from, or the actors or actresses. I have no idea how stero d got their hands on them but they had the models on the shared drive with the old cut studio indentifiers in the text which is what I looked at since I knew several individuals were leaking information to prime focus up there.
 
drakken said:
First I am laughing I have been trying to figure out who that director was but like every other actor they eventually stand in pose they had to create to for some role, that is the same guy who played joe dirt. I don't remember the actors name but defiantly the same person. The terminator movies I saw the first when the eighties were around the first time... Arnold did not understand a work of English being from the check republic and would say one liners with a straight face because he literaly did not know what he was saying was absurd or funny. That type of straight man is hard to pull off so it is not as funny when the person knows what they are saying is funny because they start laughing. Might be why hollywood started into the method acting that twisted the industry into the place it is now but the shock and awe was in not showing the details but making people think about them... the later gag reel they filmed a cg character to make you think it is him ten years after the filming. I have no idea if they filmed him neked for his debut into holly wood but I know a couple of the people who worked on the cg and they were laughing the whole time apperently they model they started with was partial model. Then again in genesis toby mcguire is playing another big guy so they could cut into the plastic of the head and fit the metal parts to it. The break downs of him in the cell or what ever it was not sure where it happened in the movie has him sitting in the dark with the metal braces that support the fat suit that makes him look larger than life. The girl is funnier she is old cg models that were acquired by house of moves then sold off to pay off their creditors while no one paid the original studio they came from, or the actors or actresses. I have no idea how stero d got their hands on them but they had the models on the shared drive with the old cut studio indentifiers in the text which is what I looked at since I knew several individuals were leaking information to prime focus up there.
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Can you please retype this in English. Also to correct a few things Arnold is from Austria, he had been living in the USA for almost 20 years by the time he was in that movie and could speak English at that point just fine and the Terminator wasn't his first role. By then he had a few tv show roles, tv movie roles, minor side character roles and was the lead in a few movies all before being in the Terminator. So you are wrong on half the things you are trying to say... I am not sure about the other half as I can't understand what you are trying to reference or talk about.
 
drakken said:
First I am laughing I have been trying to figure out who that director was but like every other actor they eventually stand in pose they had to create to for some role, that is the same guy who played joe dirt. I don't remember the actors name but defiantly the same person. The terminator movies I saw the first when the eighties were around the first time... Arnold did not understand a work of English being from the check republic and would say one liners with a straight face because he literaly did not know what he was saying was absurd or funny. That type of straight man is hard to pull off so it is not as funny when the person knows what they are saying is funny because they start laughing. Might be why hollywood started into the method acting that twisted the industry into the place it is now but the shock and awe was in not showing the details but making people think about them... the later gag reel they filmed a cg character to make you think it is him ten years after the filming. I have no idea if they filmed him neked for his debut into holly wood but I know a couple of the people who worked on the cg and they were laughing the whole time apperently they model they started with was partial model. Then again in genesis toby mcguire is playing another big guy so they could cut into the plastic of the head and fit the metal parts to it. The break downs of him in the cell or what ever it was not sure where it happened in the movie has him sitting in the dark with the metal braces that support the fat suit that makes him look larger than life. The girl is funnier she is old cg models that were acquired by house of moves then sold off to pay off their creditors while no one paid the original studio they came from, or the actors or actresses. I have no idea how stero d got their hands on them but they had the models on the shared drive with the old cut studio indentifiers in the text which is what I looked at since I knew several individuals were leaking information to prime focus up there.
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