Confused: Samsung KS8500 vs Sony X800D vs Sony X830C

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Hey there guys... I really need some help deciding here. I've come up with a hundred different hypothetical setups that I can build to replace my aging 30" Dell 3007WFP, but I keep coming back to the same thing: a 4k TV. Thus, I've decided to finally bite the bullet and will be ordering tomorrow night, about 20 hours from now. In that time, I'd appreciate help from you guys to decide which TV to buy. I'm mostly a gamer, but all things considered, I usually spend more time working with text (coding, documents etc) and web browsing than I do gaming. I want whatever will be best for crisp, clear text and fabulous gaming. Here are my thoughts for each of the following TVs:

X830C: This has the ability to run at 1080p at 120Hz. That's a BIG deal, as I often hear that hardware hasn't truly gotten to the point of pushing 4K in all games. 1080 at 120Hz on a nice TV sounds awesome. It also has an IPS screen, but I'm not sure if that's good or bad. IPS is traditionally preferred, but bleed etc.? Apart from these pros, rtings hasn't rated it too well.

43X800D: This is the one that's really attracting me. The price is right in the middle, the size is perfect, and it has partial HDR support (not true 1000 nits). But then I wonder if partial HDR is worth having, worth paying the premium over something with no HDR.

49X800D: This is also really up there. It has IPS, which it's smaller version doesn't. But then, it's also ridiculously huge, and I've heard that a curve is needed on 49 inches, lest it feels weird. If someone can confirm or deny how good that IPS is, it'll really help, since the struggle is mostly between this and the 43" version.

KS8500: This is the whole package. It's better at everything. No IPS, but it's VA is likely better. Huge, but the curve fixes that. Full 100 nits HDR, too. The only downside is price. I doubt I'll go with this, but maybe if there was a way to get it a few hundred cheaper.
 
Keep an eye out at slickdeals.com. They usually post when Samsung EPP is selling the KS8000/KS8500 for cheap. EPP means employee pricing program. When a thread pops up there's usually people that are willing to give out invites. You can usually land a 49KS8000 for around $730.
 
If you're going for the 49" - get the curved one, trust me on this one.
The size is pretty overwhelming too. You will move your eyes and head a lot (but maybe it's a good thing, since you actually train your eye/neck muscles by moving them in all directions)

On 43" a flat may be okay.
This size is good if your eyes are perfect. Mine arent so i had to go for 49" for maximum comfort.

Picture-wise (colors, etc) I noticed ZERO difference between an IPS panel and 8500 VA one. With VA you don't get any shitty BLB either.
 
Panel said:
. . . but all things considered, I usually spend more time working with text (coding, documents etc) and web browsing than I do gaming.
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Read these threads for my experiences as a dev with large format 4K VA and IPS panels:

https://hardforum.com/threads/400-500-work-screen.1906159/

https://hardforum.com/threads/43-4k-monitor-help-me-choose.1915960/

https://hardforum.com/threads/does-a-uhd-4k-tv-make-a-good-monitor.1881810/

In a nutshell, IPS produces much less eyestrain than VA for working with text, bigger is better (49" vs. 43"), curved isn't necessary (most users advocating curved are not primarily using it for color coded text editing), and for me personally, 4K gaming@60Hz is more enjoyable than 1080p gaming@120Hz.
 
I just picked up the 43X800D a couple days ago and I think I'm going to keep it. 43-inch is the perfect size for me for desktop use. I'm using 100% windows scaling and everything is easy to read. I tried the 49-inch JS8500 last year and it was just too big for me at the 30-inch view distance I'm using it at. I was actually getting motion sickness sitting in front of the JS8500.

Some big pluses for the 43X800D are the price and the fact it's PWM free. I'm guessing that I'm going to want to get a new display in a year or two easily if they come out with a 40-inch 120hz G-Sync. At that point this 43X800D will just make a nice TV for my office or extra bedroom.

I just got a $1300 refund on my XB321HK from Acer for false advertising after owning it for 6-months. The main reason I wanted a refund on it was due to the intermittent flickering that plagues all 4k 32-inch displays using the same panel. Acer should have issued a recall but they refuse to acknowledge the problem. Anyway, I'm done with "gaming" displays for now. G-sync is nice, but certainly not worth the premium. I can't believe all the features packed into the X800D for $650 when a 32-inch "Gaming" display costs $1300, has a crap IPS panel, flickering, quality control issues, etc. etc.
 
Slickwilly said:
I just picked up the 43X800D a couple days ago and I think I'm going to keep it. 43-inch is the perfect size for me for desktop use. I'm using 100% windows scaling and everything is easy to read. I tried the 49-inch JS8500 last year and it was just too big for me at the 30-inch view distance I'm using it at. I was actually getting motion sickness sitting in front of the JS8500.

Some big pluses for the 43X800D are the price and the fact it's PWM free. I'm guessing that I'm going to want to get a new display in a year or two easily if they come out with a 40-inch 120hz G-Sync. At that point this 43X800D will just make a nice TV for my office or extra bedroom.

I just got a $1300 refund on my XB321HK from Acer for false advertising after owning it for 6-months. The main reason I wanted a refund on it was due to the intermittent flickering that plagues all 4k 32-inch displays using the same panel. Acer should have issued a recall but they refuse to acknowledge the problem. Anyway, I'm done with "gaming" displays for now. G-sync is nice, but certainly not worth the premium. I can't believe all the features packed into the X800D for $650 when a 32-inch "Gaming" display costs $1300, has a crap IPS panel, flickering, quality control issues, etc. etc.
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I'm purchasing the 43X800D. I've been bouncing back and forth far too long, and I also think that 43" is a better size than 49".
 
Slickwilly said:
I was actually getting motion sickness sitting in front of the JS8500.
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Just for the record, you get used to it after a week or two. Just take it slowly at first.

When i first went from square 30" dell to 38" UltraWide LG i was getting seasick like a dog too. To the point that i had to lay down and pass out for a few hours. This is because of the Field of View immersion taking your whole viewing area with eyes having no still reference point to cling to.

Now it's totally fine. The brain adapted. Just don't push yourself and take it slow (an hour or two at a time).
 
Panel said:
Thanks for the tip! I was able to get EPP status, but am now questioning whether the extra $200 ($650 vs $845) is worth is for the KS8500 over the X800D.
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Why not get the flat version for $680 from Samsung EPP? The curve isn't even big enough to make a difference. Sure it looks cool from a design standpoint but it's not like it has a big curve like the new LG IPS panels.
 
PCDC650 said:
Why not get the flat version for $680 from Samsung EPP? The curve isn't even big enough to make a difference. Sure it looks cool from a design standpoint but it's not like it has a big curve like the new LG IPS panels.
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StormClaw above has said on multiple occasions that at such a massive size, a curve is necessary. Without it, you'll get a "bulge out" effect where the TVs center bulges out and the corners seem to shrink away. The curve doesn't add immersion, just makes the screen appear normal.
 
Panel said:
StormClaw above has said on multiple occasions that at such a massive size, a curve is necessary. Without it, you'll get a "bulge out" effect where the TVs center bulges out and the corners seem to shrink away. The curve doesn't add immersion, just makes the screen appear normal.
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LoL! He had a defective display. There's no bulge on the flat version. If there was, you'd hear about it.
 
PCDC650 said:
LoL! He had a defective display. There's no bulge on the flat version. If there was, you'd hear about it.
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You don't understand. I never said there's a bulge. I said there's a bulge effect. As in, it appears that way because we're using the TVs from far nearer than they're intended to be used. I haven't looked at the other thread yet, but I'd like to see how many others confirm or deny his opinions. And to make matters worse, I never considered the TN-esk color variance you can get on VA's from an angle. I want to buy the KS8000 since the deal is phenomenal, but the more I think about it, the more it seems I'll need a curve at that size.
 
Panel said:
You don't understand. I never said there's a bulge. I said there's a bulge effect. As in, it appears that way because we're using the TVs from far nearer than they're intended to be used. I haven't looked at the other thread yet, but I'd like to see how many others confirm or deny his opinions. And to make matters worse, I never considered the TN-esk color variance you can get on VA's from an angle. I want to buy the KS8000 since the deal is phenomenal, but the more I think about it, the more it seems I'll need a curve at that size.
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Go to to a Best Buy and stand close to a KS8500. See for yourself. I think $200 more for a slight curve is kinda crazy.
 
I code all day and I'd really suggest the Sony's. I have the 55" X700D but for my use I went with the larger size to just push it further out away from me. The reason I'd say for coding is the flicker free. If any form of flicker bothers you. rtings has flicker ratings now. The 800 should look a bit better than my panel but I chose to get some added inches over what I could tell in quality.
 
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