NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

I've using a 6600K and a 1070 to drive my predator. In hindsight, I would have got an i7 - but the 1070 is still fine for 95-ish FPS in BF at ultra.
Also GTA performance would benefit from the i7 so that reinforces the point.

A 1080 would be great - any of them. They all OC and cool the same really

I'd also say that some people have had some noise issues with the silverstone PSU so the corsair SF450/600 PSU's are preferred. Either should be fine for power.
I'm using an SF600 and it's basically silent. The fan sometimes spins but so slowly the label is still obvious.

In your case, and many others I'd assume; the 1070 instead of the 1080 is a matter of cost? I've seen far more 1070 builds than 1080 builds so I began to think that it was for heat management after hearing about throttling that may occur with reference style GPU's despite how beautiful and slimmer they are for this case. I'd like a FTW for higher out of box clock speeds, and would feel a little more comfortable overclocking something with better heat dissipation.

After looking at it closer you can probably do it. The card is 5.06" wide and you have a total of 5.50" to work with. As long as the right angle connector was under .5" it should work.

Chapeau is correct about the PSU. The Silverstone is a SFX-L and the longer L versions have problems with clearance with the graphics card and the modular plugs from the PSU. Causing the graphics card to be pushed down.

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Got it. I did hear about some Silverstone PSU's sounding like a buzzsaw when under load, and would gladly not risk that! In the picture posted, is that to show the cable being bent? To my untrained eye it looks fine, but in my case is it a more of a problem as I'll be using a FTW card?

Don't forget to at least TRY putting the card on the MB outside the case which is what I did with the STRIX. The whole thing then slid into the case perfectly.

That actually sounds much easier than putting it in traditionally! Looking at your post I see your 6700K/Asus Z170/H100i and Asus Strix build; is that the guts of your Ncase M1? Do you think you could fit an extra 100mm of AIO tubing in if Corsair's AIO coolers featured 400mm length tubes instead of their 300mm standard?

I ask since the Kraken series coolers feature 400mm tubes, plus the cooling block has that infinity mirror which looks like a potential problem. Also, since it looks like I plan on having a build very similar to yours, what are the temps and performance I should expect compared to a larger airflow case like the Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX? The fit of AIO and heat dissipation of ACX coolers has really been a major stumbling block for me after I found out about the NCase M1 (and wanting to build in one for a first time build) a couple of days ago.

Thank you all for responses, they definitely eased a good portion of my concerns before ordering parts!
 
^ I would say the hardest part was getting the tubes to bend in the correct manner to close the case. There was only ONE position that it worked. Could be a deal breaker with longer tubes IMHO.
 
Corsair has relatively stiff tubes do they not? I'll check around to see if I can find how flexible Kraken tubes are. I'm open to air cooling, but really would like to have a watercooler for overclocking stability. Also because an open air cooled GPU might limit how effective an air cooler is? Not sure though, first build after all!
 
Corsair has relatively stiff tubes do they not? I'll check around to see if I can find how flexible Kraken tubes are. I'm open to air cooling, but really would like to have a watercooler for overclocking stability. Also because an open air cooled GPU might limit how effective an air cooler is? Not sure though, first build after all!

Another AIO you might want to take a look at is ID Cooling Frostflow 240L, not the first name you think of but they test really well. 315mm tubing with rotary barbs on the block.
 
In your case, and many others I'd assume; the 1070 instead of the 1080 is a matter of cost? I've seen far more 1070 builds than 1080 builds so I began to think that it was for heat management after hearing about throttling that may occur with reference style GPU's despite how beautiful and slimmer they are for this case. I'd like a FTW for higher out of box clock speeds, and would feel a little more comfortable overclocking something with better heat dissipation.

Spot on - I never set out to do a custom loop. This was supposed to be a budget build! :eek::eek:
A 1080 would be nice, but for the price it's not good enough value/performance for me. It's not like I NEED the 1080 to game comfortably, especially with the 1070 overclocked.
1080Ti on the other hand.... hmmmm:whistle:

So nothing to do with thermals...
 
Oh man I if that's the case hopefully I'll be able to trade in/sell my 1080 for the 1080Ti a few months after release :^) Anything to help push more pixels to the X34 monitor without SLI!
 
Hey everyone, thanks for the help. I think I'll go for the 2 x120mm cpu/gpu coolers and call it good. That should be plenty of cooling for the two parts.

I'm trying to avoid a GPU that blows air into the case, if at all possible.

In other news (and please let me know if this isn't allowed to be posted here and I'll remove it) I just recently created a Discord server for M1 owners and those with a M1 interest, its pretty new and not fully set up yet, but is still quite functional for what it needs to be.
Invite Link: https://discord.gg/HRWdxwx

Discord is a chat/VoiP service, aimed at gamers, that offers the same features as many of the others available (teamspeak/skype/vent/etc), while also offering complete privacy for your IP address and personal information. It is completely free, no ads or intrusive 3rd party software, and a very minor draw on your system. There's even a web client if you dont want to download any software. For more information check out their main site: Discord - Free voice and text chat for gamers

My main thought here is to offer an area for people with questions to freely chat in a quick flow, and for M1 users to have a space to discuss builds and build options.

I would be looking for a few admins/mods (preferably some of the regulars from this thread) to help run the place (not that it will be that busy or overrun). I have roles created for each version of the M1 so people will know who to ask about what (you can have multiple roles if you own or are knowledgeable about more than one version).

If anyone is interested, click the invite link and come say hi, check out the place.

Lastly, if there is already a discord server for the M1, AWESOME, please let me know where I can find it.
Hello again! Just wanted to bump this for anyone new or anyone that didn't see it before. We're growing a pretty nice group of people, all are welcome. :)
 
I also recently bought a NCASE M1. Any ideas on how I can make this build quieter?

Intel Core i5-7600
Noctua NH-U9S (C14 is hard to find and louder - this should do the job since I don't plan on overclocking aggressively)
ASUS Strix Z270 (Really like the two m.2 slots)
Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB (which version should I be getting here?)
Samsung 960 EVO (May talk myself into the PRO...)
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 Hybrid Gaming (steered away from the Seahawk because I saw that the seahawk radiator fan speed is not linked to GPU heat)
Corsair SF 450W (I don't think I need the extra juice a 600W would provide - this is cheaper and should generate less heat)

I am considering upgrading the 1070 radiator fan with a Noctua P12. Would that work or would I need to go with an F12? Alternatively, is there a quieter/better 1070 hybrid?

Finally - would it be worth adding additional fans/filters to the case?
 
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I also recently bought a NCASE M1. Any ideas on how I can make this build quieter?

Intel Core i5-7600
Noctua NH-U9S (C14 is hard to find and louder - this should do the job since I don't plan on overclocking aggressively)
ASUS Strix Z270 (Really like the two m.2 slots)
Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB (which version should I be getting here?)
Samsung 960 EVO (May talk myself into the PRO...)
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 Hybrid Gaming (steered away from the Seahawk because I saw that the seahawk radiator fan speed is not linked to GPU heat)
Corsair SF 450W (I don't think I need the extra juice a 600W would provide - this is cheaper and should generate less heat)

I am considering upgrading the 1070 radiator fan with a Noctua P12. Would that work or would I need to go with an F12? Alternatively, is there a quieter/better 1070 hybrid?

Finally - would it be worth adding additional fans/filters to the case?

Sorry i won't be able to answer your main question (new to pc building), but I would definitely consider filters unless you can manage a positive or neutral air pressure in the case.

Also what's your reasoning in getting the 960 Pro instead of the Evo? I'm planning on getting an Evo but wondered what the Pro might offer.
 
I also recently bought a NCASE M1. Any ideas on how I can make this build quieter?

Intel Core i5-7600
Noctua NH-U9S (C14 is hard to find and louder - this should do the job since I don't plan on overclocking aggressively)
ASUS Strix Z270 (Really like the two m.2 slots)
Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB (which version should I be getting here?)
Samsung 960 EVO (May talk myself into the PRO...)
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 Hybrid Gaming (steered away from the Seahawk because I saw that the seahawk radiator fan speed is not linked to GPU heat)
Corsair SF 450W (I don't think I need the extra juice a 600W would provide - this is cheaper and should generate less heat)

I am considering upgrading the 1070 radiator fan with a Noctua P12. Would that work or would I need to go with an F12? Alternatively, is there a quieter/better 1070 hybrid?

Finally - would it be worth adding additional fans/filters to the case?

Firstly what's making the noise? The SF450 is actually quieter than the 600W (same fan/fan curve, but less power = quieter).

The U9S is a quiet cooler, but consider using the included LNA (Low noise adapter) on the fan to help reduce the fan noise. Your locked i5' won't run hot at all, so this would be fine.

Replacing the fan on the hybrid will help. NF-F12 will do the job just fine. But just ensure that's where your noise is coming from.
 
Finally - would it be worth adding additional fans/filters to the case?

Version 5 of the case comes with a filter for the side bracket (where the GPU radiator will be) as well two additional filters for the bottom. Some people buy demciflex filters but that's an extra expense plus some say fans have to work harder to pull air through them.
 
Sorry i won't be able to answer your main question (new to pc building), but I would definitely consider filters unless you can manage a positive or neutral air pressure in the case.

Also what's your reasoning in getting the 960 Pro instead of the Evo? I'm planning on getting an Evo but wondered what the Pro might offer.

There is a minor speed advantage. 3500 MB/s vs 3200 MB/s read and 2100 MB/s vs 1900 MB/s write. I doubt you will ever be able to tell the difference in real world usage, not enough to justify the price difference.
 
There is a minor speed advantage. 3500 MB/s vs 3200 MB/s read and 2100 MB/s vs 1900 MB/s write. I doubt you will ever be able to tell the difference in real world usage, not enough to justify the price difference.
Sorry i won't be able to answer your main question (new to pc building), but I would definitely consider filters unless you can manage a positive or neutral air pressure in the case.

Also what's your reasoning in getting the 960 Pro instead of the Evo? I'm planning on getting an Evo but wondered what the Pro might offer.

Also warranty differences. Evo is 3 years. Pro is 5. At least in Aus it is. May vary per region.

The price differential works about around correct for the warranty. So realistically given you'll likely not notice the speed difference, you're paying for the warranty I guess?
 
Sorry i won't be able to answer your main question (new to pc building), but I would definitely consider filters unless you can manage a positive or neutral air pressure in the case.

Also what's your reasoning in getting the 960 Pro instead of the Evo? I'm planning on getting an Evo but wondered what the Pro might offer.
As others here have pointed out the longer 5 year warranty on the Pro versus the 3 year for the EVO is mainly due to the type NAND memory used. Where the Pro uses MLC the EVO uses less expensive and slightly less long lived TLC NAND.
 
As others here have pointed out the longer 5 year warranty on the Pro versus the 3 year for the EVO is mainly due to the type NAND memory used. Where the Pro uses MLC the EVO uses less expensive and slightly less long lived TLC NAND.

Sounds like a worthwhile investment then, no? I don't really want to buy an HDD for my build seeing as it might not fit. If better endurance is what the Pro will get me then I suppose having a -slow- backup of mission critical files on an external HDD I have lying around somewhere is alright.
 
Sounds like a worthwhile investment then, no? I don't really want to buy an HDD for my build seeing as it might not fit. If better endurance is what the Pro will get me then I suppose having a -slow- backup of mission critical files on an external HDD I have lying around somewhere is alright.

Remember although the evo has a 'shorter lifespan' it's most likely far far longer than you'd be able to write to it unless you're constantly copying data 24/7 for years. For a general drive that will have a few reads/writes or while you're doing work/playing games, I think the Evo makes more sense IF you're on a budget where you can use the price differential to change from say an i5 to i7, or 1060 to 1070 kind of thing. If money is less of a concern, by all means grab the pro
 
Firstly what's making the noise? The SF450 is actually quieter than the 600W (same fan/fan curve, but less power = quieter).

The U9S is a quiet cooler, but consider using the included LNA (Low noise adapter) on the fan to help reduce the fan noise. Your locked i5' won't run hot at all, so this would be fine.

Replacing the fan on the hybrid will help. NF-F12 will do the job just fine. But just ensure that's where your noise is coming from.

I actually am still waiting on delivery, so I am guessing as to what noise levels will be. From reading through this thread, it seems like the FE is a lot louder and hotter than the ACX and Hybrid variants. I have not found any objective reports of the noise from the evga hybrid (at least nothing I could compare against the ACX variants or other hybrids). It seems though that it is significantly cooler and not *too* loud, so I think I will go for it. That also means I can't go with the C14, so I have been deciding between the D9L and U9S. This post convinced me to go with the D9L over the U9S, but the difference seems minimal.

With my case shipping in late February, I will probably wait to see how Ryzen turns out. Biggest deciding factor (other than performance) for me will be how fully featured the X300 boards are.
 
I actually am still waiting on delivery, so I am guessing as to what noise levels will be. From reading through this thread, it seems like the FE is a lot louder and hotter than the ACX and Hybrid variants. I have not found any objective reports of the noise from the evga hybrid (at least nothing I could compare against the ACX variants or other hybrids). It seems though that it is significantly cooler and not *too* loud, so I think I will go for it. That also means I can't go with the C14, so I have been deciding between the D9L and U9S. This post convinced me to go with the D9L over the U9S, but the difference seems minimal.

With my case shipping in late February, I will probably wait to see how Ryzen turns out. Biggest deciding factor (other than performance) for me will be how fully featured the X300 boards are.

U9S/D9L realistically will perform similarly at the end of the day. The U9S I believe is better at the stock configs.

I think you'll find with only the 92mm fan on your cooler, the fans on the GPU which is liquid cooled, that you may be quiet enough as is. I'm noise-sensitive and I've got 2x 92mm fans, 1xNF-A15 and the Strix 1070 which isn't nearly as quiet as my 1070 EVGA SC it replaced (died). I actually have my 1070 set on 90% power limit with a higher temp max to reduce fan noise as I don't currently need the full 100%+. XD (The fact it's summer here and hitting 40 degree C days with strong humidity doesn't help..No air con in said conditions also does not help)
 
There is a minor speed advantage. 3500 MB/s vs 3200 MB/s read and 2100 MB/s vs 1900 MB/s write. I doubt you will ever be able to tell the difference in real world usage, not enough to justify the price difference.
Speeds differ depending on the size of the drive.

Good comparison EVO - PRO here: http://techreport.com/review/30993/samsung-960-evo-ssd-reviewed
Or here: http://www.storagereview.com/samsung_960_evo_m2_nvme_ssd_review
Also a good comment on real life appreciation: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3260614/samsung-960-evo-960-pro-ssd.html


By any chance, has anyone already tried the 960 EVO (256GB) on an ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming-ITX/ac?
I would like to be sure it is properly detected in the UEFI BIOS and Win10 as it is supposed to.
EDIT: And bootable!
 
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Sounds like a worthwhile investment then, no? I don't really want to buy an HDD for my build seeing as it might not fit. If better endurance is what the Pro will get me then I suppose having a -slow- backup of mission critical files on an external HDD I have lying around somewhere is alright.
Personally, I plan on going with the 960 EVO. As ReaperX22 points out normal usage will likely never exceed the endurance limit of TLC NAND.
 
Firstly what's making the noise? The SF450 is actually quieter than the 600W (same fan/fan curve, but less power = quieter).

The U9S is a quiet cooler, but consider using the included LNA (Low noise adapter) on the fan to help reduce the fan noise. Your locked i5' won't run hot at all, so this would be fine.

Replacing the fan on the hybrid will help. NF-F12 will do the job just fine. But just ensure that's where your noise is coming from.

Sorry am i not correct in saying that these PSUs fan curves work on percentage load in which case the 600w should be the quieter one?
 
Sorry am i not correct in saying that these PSUs fan curves work on percentage load in which case the 600w should be the quieter one?

I am not sure whether the PSU fan curve is based off percentage load or temperature (IIRC, the Corsair SF series is based off temperature, compared to the Silverstone SFX series). However, these graphs might help people make a decision.

Via Tom's Hardware - The following graph illustrates the fan's output noise over the PSU's operating range.

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As we can see from the above graphs, the SF450 is significantly quieter than the SF600 (under 25 decibels up through 300-325W, and topping out at 25-30 decibels). This jives with what users have been saying here that they cannot hear their SF450s. In comparison, the SF600 starts climbing above 25 decibels after 100W and tops out at 43-46 decibels. Unless we need the extra 150W, it seems like the SF450 is the clear choice.

From what I've seen, few builds need that much power. A 7700k, GTX 1080, M.2 is around 360W at full load. That leaves plenty of headroom for the future.
 
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I am not sure whether the PSU fan curve is based off percentage load or temperature (IIRC, the Corsair SF series is based off temperature, compared to the Silverstone SFX series). However, these graphs might help people make a decision.

Via Tom's Hardware - The following graph illustrates the fan's output noise over the PSU's operating range.

CL_fan.jpg


CL_fan.jpg


As we can see from the above graphs, the SF450 is significantly quieter than the SF600 (under 25 decibels up through 300-325W, and topping out at 25-30 decibels). This jives with what users have been saying here that they cannot hear their SF450s. In comparison, the SF600 starts climbing above 25 decibels after 100W and tops out at 43-46 decibels. Unless we need the extra 150W, it seems like the SF450 is the clear choice.

From what I've seen, few builds need that much power. A 7700k, GTX 1080, M.2 is around 360W at full load. That leaves plenty of headroom for the future.
Its pretty obvious something is wrong with his measurements.

This is the actual fan profiles, notice how they are both around 28db at 450 watt, most likely because it's the exact same fan, and the exact same heatoutput:
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I am not sure whether the PSU fan curve is based off percentage load or temperature (IIRC, the Corsair SF series is based off temperature, compared to the Silverstone SFX series). However, these graphs might help people make a decision.

Via Tom's Hardware - The following graph illustrates the fan's output noise over the PSU's operating range.

CL_fan.JPG


CL_fan.JPG


As we can see from the above graphs, the SF450 is significantly quieter than the SF600 (under 25 decibels up through 300-325W, and topping out at 25-30 decibels). This jives with what users have been saying here that they cannot hear their SF450s. In comparison, the SF600 starts climbing above 25 decibels after 100W and tops out at 43-46 decibels. Unless we need the extra 150W, it seems like the SF450 is the clear choice.

From what I've seen, few builds need that much power. A 7700k, GTX 1080, M.2 is around 360W at full load. That leaves plenty of headroom for the future.

Ok I see so it has lot to do with the type of fan controller. I've nearly always used seasonic psus and their higher wattage ones are noticeably quieter. Worth noting for my next build.
 
If it's any help at all, my SF600's fan has never even turned on, even while stress testing a 4790k and 1070, both overclocked. Maybe it's broken! It does have coil whine sometimes though.

Edit: fan facing outside
 
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If it's any help at all, my SF600's fan has never even turned on, even while stress testing a 4790k and 1070, both overclocked. Maybe it's broken! It does have coil whine sometimes though.
Mine has never turned on either, i got 6600k OC and gtx 1060.
 
Hmm I will say my SF600 does spin with an OCed 6800k and 1070. Fan in faced inside, not outside, in an effort to help with airflow if possible.
 
Hi everyone, it's not done yet, but I'm too excited so I figured I'd share it with you. Here is what I am working on. I haven't even put liquid in or tested it out yet, crossing my fingers it will pass leak testing and then actually work.

Also, I documented the whole process from start to finish and plan to upload some video blogs soon.
 

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I am not sure whether the PSU fan curve is based off percentage load or temperature (IIRC, the Corsair SF series is based off temperature, compared to the Silverstone SFX series). However, these graphs might help people make a decision.

Via Tom's Hardware - The following graph illustrates the fan's output noise over the PSU's operating range.

CL_fan.JPG


CL_fan.JPG


As we can see from the above graphs, the SF450 is significantly quieter than the SF600 (under 25 decibels up through 300-325W, and topping out at 25-30 decibels). This jives with what users have been saying here that they cannot hear their SF450s. In comparison, the SF600 starts climbing above 25 decibels after 100W and tops out at 43-46 decibels. Unless we need the extra 150W, it seems like the SF450 is the clear choice.

From what I've seen, few builds need that much power. A 7700k, GTX 1080, M.2 is around 360W at full load. That leaves plenty of headroom for the future.

Absolutely agree with this being wrong - a decibel is a logarithmic measurement so a variance of 16 dB is more than the difference between being having a regular conversation or having a vacuum cleaner on next to you.

Part of the enduring myth that the SF600 is louder is that the early samples had a poor fan curve that was indeed louder than the SF450. This was reported widely when the unit came out - but was fixed shortly after. This review in particular was when the unit first came out so it doesn't reflect what you would now receive.

I'd echo the same observations as the others here - my SF600 is great. The fan does spin up sometimes (I notice it more now that it's summer) but basically everything else in the case is louder.

If I did my build again - I would buy the SF450 though because it's cheaper and there is no need for the SF600. If only I had known huh..!
 
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Hi everyone, it's not done yet, but I'm too excited so I figured I'd share it with you. Here is what I am working on. I haven't even put liquid in or tested it out yet, crossing my fingers it will pass leak testing and then actually work.

Also, I documented the whole process from start to finish and plan to upload some video blogs soon.

Please do! I'd love to see more of your build. Interesting hard tubing bends right there!
 
By any chance, has anyone already tried the 960 EVO (256GB) on an ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming-ITX/ac?
I would like to be sure it is properly detected in the UEFI BIOS and Win10 as it is supposed to.
EDIT: And bootable!
Cannot speak to the Evo, but my 512GB 960 Pro works great on my Gaming-ITX/ac; can't imagine there'd be any difference. Detected, bootable, and definitely fast.
 
Anyone else waiting to see how the new AMD x300 boards fair in this case?
Ive hade my Ncase for a while now as was going to start building with an Asrock X99 board but either the new AMD multicore might be better for price and performance than Intels or at least their release may force Intel to drop the price of their CPUs. My system is going to be solely for work so I'm looking at running at least an 8 core.
Feel like if there's a time to wait its now plus I dont think it will be long until we see the 1080Tis.
 
Cannot speak to the Evo, but my 512GB 960 Pro works great on my Gaming-ITX/ac; can't imagine there'd be any difference. Detected, bootable, and definitely fast.
Thx a lot, much appreciated! (y)
Ordering the EVO 256GB right away!
 
I'll try to publish my build logs on YouTube ASAP. I really hope the PC actually works (leak testing right now), and that the temps are fine. Clearance between the radiator and GPU is VERY small, although there is a lot more space in the back where the radiator is unobstructed....we'll see. I probably should have asked about it on this thread before committing to the build...(fans are sucking air from underneath the chassis and pushing them upwards through the radiator...I tested the fans and I could indeed feel air coming from above the radiator...so hopefully that's a good sign)

This configuration (which required drilling holes under the chassis) was the only way I could keep the USB 3.0 and headphone/mic ports connected in the front...that USB 3.0 cable is ridiculously thick and pushes the radiator's inlet and outlet ports partially underneath the GPU waterblock.

Specs:

NCASE M1 V5 Chassis
ASUS Z170i Pro Gaming
Core i7-6700k
EVGA GTX 1080 Superclocked
16GB (2x8GB) G.Skill Ripjaws 3200 MHZ (CAS 14) RAM
960 EVO 1TB SSD


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I'll try to publish my build logs on YouTube ASAP. I really hope the PC actually works (leak testing right now), and that the temps are fine. Clearance between the radiator and GPU is VERY small, although there is a lot more space in the back where the radiator is unobstructed....we'll see. I probably should have asked about it on this thread before committing to the build...(fans are sucking air from underneath the chassis and pushing them upwards through the radiator...I tested the fans and I could indeed feel air coming from above the radiator...so hopefully that's a good sign)

This configuration (which required drilling holes under the chassis) was the only way I could keep the USB 3.0 and headphone/mic ports connected in the front...that USB 3.0 cable is ridiculously thick and pushes the radiator's inlet and outlet ports partially underneath the GPU waterblock.

Specs:

NCASE M1 V5 Chassis
ASUS Z170i Pro Gaming
Core i7-6700k
EVGA GTX 1080 Superclocked
16GB (2x8GB) G.Skill Ripjaws 3200 MHZ (CAS 14) RAM
960 EVO 1TB SSD


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Looks great, how did you mount the pump/res?
 
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