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“Rogue One” Reviewed: Is It Time To Abandon The “Star Wars” Franchise?
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Wrecked Em
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I'm glad to see the hipster hate-the-movie-because-it's-popular trend didn't die with last movie.
Man, it wasn't cool to hate the prequels until around 2009. There are loads of video of people loving EP1 coming out of the theater.
TFA at least got a few months until it was cool to hate.
Rogue One only got 24hrs.
Must suck to not enjoy anything in life.
TFA at least got a few months until it was cool to hate.
Rogue One only got 24hrs.
Must suck to not enjoy anything in life.
thesmokingman
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Nah it's just the internets. It's fucking cool to hate anonymously on the internet.
Looks like I got two close-by: Tyson's corner (insanely busy at Xmas time) and Georgetown.
Really not surprised that both of those places have it haha.
Georgetown shows as 'Coming Soon'...the Tyson's Corner one looks ready now
As someone who loved EP1 coming out of the theater, you are definitely wrong. It was cool to hate before EP2 came out. After that it was just fact.
Krenum
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Spoiler Alert!
The Rebels Destroy the Death Star.
The Rebels Destroy the Death Star.
SuperSubZero
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Nope, you are incorrect. The massive hate for the prequels didn't start until internet forums got really popular in the mid 2000's. It was an edgy cool thing to do online.
Dion
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Most of TFA was shot with 35mm film which has about a max res of about 2K. You weren't seeing much better then you could at home on a 1080p screen. The IMAX sceens would look great tho.
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I was 10 years old when Episode I came out. I tried to like it for about two weeks and gave up. It really is a terrible movie.
The conservative trolls hating on TFA are a newer phenominon. Its just another battle in the endless internet SJW wars between various liberal and conservative whiners.
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Ya'll are both incorrect, I just watched Episode 1 before work....That shit is Terribad....
Force Awakens was shot on film but was specially mastered for Dolby Cinema screens...if you think even the best home theater can match its brightness, black level and dynamic range then you don't know what you're talking about...the contrast ratio of standard theaters often tops out at 5,000:1 or 8,000:1, but Dolby Vision achieves a claimed 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio...to say that a home 1080p screen would look close is totally ridiculous...if you can't see a difference then you are probably not a videophile or just don't care
They had to keep continuity though with Epidose IV, and remember as far as the Empire in general cared it was a died out religion that Darth Vader was a remnant of.
So to me it would had not felt right if they had expanded this,mainly because it strongly ties in with Epidsode IV.
I would love to see more crossover from Rebels animated series that has diverse range of Force Wielders but it would have to be disconnected to any of the core plot lines (episodes IV.V, and VI) and backgrounds including the lore known by key character in them.
Cheers
IMO This movie was far better then TFA. AT least it was not afraid to give us NEW characters and it's own story (even if it does tie into the old movies).
The action was great, characters were great (Especially liked Donnie Yen and K2SO).
Jyn was 10x more believable and likeable then Rey is imo. An actual REAL feeling character and not a cardboard cutout meant to be there to project some "ideals" onto her.
Also Vader.....was simply amazing, that one "scene" (If you saw the movie you know what I'm talking about) was way more exciting then ANY Jedi fight scene in the whole Force Awakens movie.
The action was great, characters were great (Especially liked Donnie Yen and K2SO).
Jyn was 10x more believable and likeable then Rey is imo. An actual REAL feeling character and not a cardboard cutout meant to be there to project some "ideals" onto her.
Also Vader.....was simply amazing, that one "scene" (If you saw the movie you know what I'm talking about) was way more exciting then ANY Jedi fight scene in the whole Force Awakens movie.
I don't know about that. Time called it the best movie of the year. Ebert gave it 4 stars and Gene Siskel gave it 3.5 stars. I'm sure someone like Pauline Kael was less than thrilled with it, but Vincent Camby seemed to like it and all of these reviews are from the opening weekend (give or take a day), which is well before it was available at most folks local screens (cuz that's how shit worked in the 70s). I can't find the original Newsweek review (presumably by David Ansen), but I'd be surprised if it wasn't positive too.
This movie was not better than The Force Awakens in any way, in my opinion. Then again, I longed for a continuation after Episode VI. The only way to do an Episode VII would be to tie it in with existing characters and introduce new ones, and I thought they did a very good job continuing the story. I would have preferred they went away from an Empire-like clone however.
I understand this movie was a setup for A New Hope, and there were no jedis at this point. I knew that going in, and it made it felt a little less Star Wars-y.
I wish they would include characters from their animated stuff. It wouldn't hurt to put someone in doing something to make the animated stuff feel more like it's part of the story. We're told it is but you don't see it. I know Saw Gerrera was from The Clone Wars, but he's a little obscure.
I understand this movie was a setup for A New Hope, and there were no jedis at this point. I knew that going in, and it made it felt a little less Star Wars-y.
I wish they would include characters from their animated stuff. It wouldn't hurt to put someone in doing something to make the animated stuff feel more like it's part of the story. We're told it is but you don't see it. I know Saw Gerrera was from The Clone Wars, but he's a little obscure.
I don't know man. I think there was a bit of disappointment with TFA from day one. I know people who saw the first screening that were planning to go with some friends the next day after lunch and all but one bailed.
TFA wasn't horrible, but it wasn't very good either. AotC is good, if you cut almost every other scene (see all the ones with Amadala and Anakin). My recollection is that Revenge of the Sith was pretty good, but I suspect I thought it was long...but I've never watched it again, so ...
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So I thought it kicked ass and was much better than Force Awakens. Never get tired of Vader badassery. Good story, good actors, plenty to of good sci-fi action. Maybe we can just pretend Episode 7 never happened and let these guys remake it. Don't know where I'd rank it in the series tho. I'm one of the few that really liked the prequels. Easily middle of the pack tho.
So you're saying my dolby atmos 14.2 surround sound system with my 200 inch 4k projected screen is as good as it gets? Thank God, no need to waste my time at the theatre.
I liked the prequels only for them showing off the Jedi much better. The rest was a snore fest.
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Not sure if it's a spoiler, but the "primary CGI character" was amazing. He was juuuuust on the right side of the Uncanny Valley line, by a pixel. Like you could still tell he was computer generated, but it was part "well the actor died 20+ years ago" knowledge and only a small part that he moved slightly weird. They can officially reproduce long-dead actors and put them in movies, with lines and everything.
I actually found him more believable than Vader. I was super happy that JEJ came back to do a good amount of dialogue, but Vader sounded too much like.. JEJ. They should have done something else with the voice.
Oh and LOL at the rebel fighter pilots scenes. I totally got a kick out of it.
The end was weird tho. I could not mentally put the end going right into Ep4.
I actually found him more believable than Vader. I was super happy that JEJ came back to do a good amount of dialogue, but Vader sounded too much like.. JEJ. They should have done something else with the voice.
Oh and LOL at the rebel fighter pilots scenes. I totally got a kick out of it.
The end was weird tho. I could not mentally put the end going right into Ep4.
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My nephew made me laugh when I saw the movie. My mother went with us and she goes to him "Look, that's Darth Vader." "Grandma, that's Lord Vader." He's only 8.
Overall, the movie was excellent and ties very well into the whole Star Wars story line. I'll probably see it again in the next couple weeks.
Overall, the movie was excellent and ties very well into the whole Star Wars story line. I'll probably see it again in the next couple weeks.
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Don't matter what the theater is capable of. If the source material isn't there you can't just magically make it. 35MM tops out about 2K worth of Detail which is about the same as 1080p. And no an OLED TV > Theater screens. The only place it would look better is scenes shot with better cameras which isn't alot in TFA. Even then a 4K OLED TV Would probably win. Bigger doesn't equal better.
Even BluRays comes with Lossless audio now and Atmos. The Theater will die eventually. Hopefully soon.
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Nah, it was considered bad before Episode 2 came out. It wasn't a bad movie. It was a great movie. Pod racing, underwater, space piloting.... It was great. It was just a shit Star Wars movie. It wasn't Star Wars. It like a straight to DVD knock off Star Wars prequel. Midiclorians? WTF? Jar Jar?! Jesus, really?
It was nice to see where Anakin started and how the Emperor came into power. It shouldn't have taken a whole movie. All the 'filler' they used was shit. Pod racing was cool on it's own, but it wasn't really relevant within the Star Wars storyline.
I get to see Rogue One tomorrow. No doubt I'll enjoy it very much. The time period is perfect within the Star Wars universe. The biggest complaint I hear are about the characters. I heard the same shit about the original characters years ago with 4, 5, and 6. So, I'm not too upset.
From damn near every review I've read - it's a great movie. I can't wait to watch it tomorrow. It's going to be a trip (I haven't missed a single movie in theater, from Ep. 4 to Ep. 7).
Yeah I feel it was a nice touch keeping it as Peter Cushing, pretty sure he would not had minded and was one of the bigger names at the time in the episode IV film (with Alec Guinness probably being the most notable).
I can see there being debates about licensing rights and actor's image, but I am assuming they seeked permission.
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Metacritic has it at 64 I think which is .... not that great.
I did hear from my friends that the soundtrack wasn't all that good.
I was a kid when The Empire Strikes Back came out. I was pretty much blown away. It was a huge deal to me and just awe inspiring. Definitely fostered my love for science fiction.
I thought The Force Awakens was ....o-kay'ish. It was good in that we needed a new Star Wars movie, but It wasn't great and some of the acting I thought was average, some of the scenes were small when they should have had a bigger scope to them, I have a list if complaints.
I get the feeling this one is very o-kay'ish as well. I will wait and catch it on a used bluray at some future date.
But, as soon as one of these new Star War movies gets really rave reviews, I'll go see it at the theater. That;'s for sure. But, at the moment, Metacritic reviews are a red flag for me.
I did hear from my friends that the soundtrack wasn't all that good.
I was a kid when The Empire Strikes Back came out. I was pretty much blown away. It was a huge deal to me and just awe inspiring. Definitely fostered my love for science fiction.
I thought The Force Awakens was ....o-kay'ish. It was good in that we needed a new Star Wars movie, but It wasn't great and some of the acting I thought was average, some of the scenes were small when they should have had a bigger scope to them, I have a list if complaints.
I get the feeling this one is very o-kay'ish as well. I will wait and catch it on a used bluray at some future date.
But, as soon as one of these new Star War movies gets really rave reviews, I'll go see it at the theater. That;'s for sure. But, at the moment, Metacritic reviews are a red flag for me.
huh?...where did I say that?...I'm saying the Dolby Cinema experience is the definitive movie-going experience...home theaters setups were catching up to a lot of movie theaters so they needed to build something to get people to come to the theater again...your Atmos 14.2 setup is nothing compared to five in-screen speakers, 48 surround sound speakers, four ceiling-mounted subwoofers and in-seat transducers that Dolby Cinema has...along with a dual-4K Christie laser projection system designed for films that have been color graded for Dolby Vision HDR (high dynamic range)...pure black levels, expanded color gamut capabilities, and twice the brightness (up to 31fL)
your setup is sweet for a home theater setup...all I'm saying is that these new Dolby Cinema theaters are amazing and better then 99.9% of home theaters (unless your name is George Lucas and can build a similar facility in your home)...go see a movie in one of these specially designed theaters and then come back with your review (I didn't mention that they all have reserved seating as well)
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Yeah you're funny, not. A lot of people bitched about how easy the farm boy blew up the first Death Star. Real reason is in THIS movie.
And the WARS part of the STAR WARS saga. Also got to see it used earlier than NH, and Vadar being a killer. And no, they don't blow up the Death Star in Rogue One. THere is no happy ending.
I'm pretty sure that's not true. A quick scan of cinema sites indicates that 4k is generally (but not always) the limit on 35mm film stock. Some is lower and some is higher. 2k is probably a figured used for what a 35mm print typically resolves to, but if it's a digital print, that doesn't apply.
http://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=28386
Eh , didn't hate it but was meh at best for me. My kids thought so too. Wasn't near as exciting as Force Awakens for them , and I grew up living and breathing Star Wars being born in 72.
Jumped around too much between characters that I still couldn't name most of, just overall felt like a decent made for TV Star Wars movie to me.
And Whitakers character immediately made me think of him in Battlefield Earth and just ruined that.
Not a terrible movie , but don't mind admitting it was pretty boring overall to me.
Jumped around too much between characters that I still couldn't name most of, just overall felt like a decent made for TV Star Wars movie to me.
And Whitakers character immediately made me think of him in Battlefield Earth and just ruined that.
Not a terrible movie , but don't mind admitting it was pretty boring overall to me.
65 on metacritic, which is positive. Rotten Tomatoes average score is 7.5/10 (and certified Fresh). On MRQE it's got 72/100. It's pretty hard to spin the reviews as anything but positive, unless you're cherry picking negative reviews.
Not sure what it'd take to get you in a theater though. Force Awakens was 93% positive and 8.2/10. It doesn't get much better than that. Wall-E was 8.5/10. Certainly a better movie and better reviews, but not much better.
The 2k/1080p thing is a general reference when talking about the print you'd see in a theater. Each generation of film has a resolution loss, being an analogue process. So you get the most resolution on the 35mm negative, then less on the positive you make from that. However that is rarely what goes to theaters, usually a number for 1st generations positives are made, and then 2nd generation ones made from those and that is what theaters get. Those are usually around 2k/1080p tops because of the generation loss.
However if the movie is going to be digitally edited, and they basically all are these days, you'll just scan in the negatives and get full resolution because why not? Any theaters getting digital distribution then get a source that came straight from the digital master, they don't print it to film and re-digitize it or anything.
I remember talking to a friend of mine years ago, and I said, "Can you imagine the planning, manpower, time, materials, etc. it would take to build something like the Deathstar?"
That guy really must have been a genius if he was so important to its construction.
That guy really must have been a genius if he was so important to its construction.
I like most of Disney's animated movies, except for the princess stuff, but Wall-E was a snoozer for me. I went to sleep while the wife and kid watched it on bluray when it came out, and I've never finished watching it.