Let's go with Yes. Now I asked you again, what is your issue with her filling in that role? Or is it because Trump's a republican president-to-be and he's filling positions with people who are associated with the Republican Party like Fiorina? Or are you going to play this stupid game of "Let me throw out a number of dumb memes and hope it stick"?
![[H]ard|Forum](/styles/hardforum/xenforo/logo_dark.png){kind=logo}
President-Elect Meets With Silicon Valley Elite
- Thread starter HardOCP News
- Start date
- Status
Krenum
Fully [H]
- Joined
- Apr 29, 2005
- Messages
- 19,193
Sure thing, Sing this every once in awhile.
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Bandalo
2[H]4U
- Joined
- Dec 15, 2010
- Messages
- 2,660
You actually can't use the 7 million delta that way, since you don't know the breakdowns of those numbers or where they came from. If 2 million Americans turned 16 and didn't get jobs, they add to that number. If 2 million retired at age 65, they also add to that number. You'd need a more complete breakdown by category to make claims like that.
What attitude are you talking about? The one that says things will never be good in every area of the country at the same time?
Bandalo
2[H]4U
- Joined
- Dec 15, 2010
- Messages
- 2,660
Are you for real? Shall we start with being forced out of HP after nearly destroying the company, and getting a $21 million dollar golden parachute after firing 30,000 american workers and sending most of those jobs to India and China?
So okay, she knows some foreign policy - she knows how to outsource jobs to the third world. I'll give you that. That much I will give you.
This will be the richest cabinet in history. And we all know billionaires all have the interest of the common working man at heart!
And guess what - that number is going to continue to grow as boomers continue to retire and kids continue to turn 16... I'm actually referencing a different artcile, likely similar to the politifact article (http://qz.com/286213/the-chart-obama-haters-love-most-and-the-truth-behind-it/) though. Having grown up in Wisconsin, I don't actually know anyone out of work but seeking work from my immediate group of family and friends. Of those people, though, there is a number of them that strongly supported the wall - it wasn't jobs that swayed their votes as far as I could tell. Take that as you will.
I see you chose to edit your post to make you appear smarter in rebuking me.
Mark Hurd who replaced her continued the Carly Fiorina plan of eliminating the "HP Way" and didn't change a thing which was endorsed by the Board of Director. He actually gives credit to her for turning around the company continuing where she left off. One of the board members actually regrets having to vote to fire her.
Yes she does know foreign policy because she's well versed in it. Have you ever watch any single one of her speeches around intelligence, foreign policy, etc? It doesn't seem like it which you're just repeating the same old ad nauseum story about her leading HP. Then you got her working with the NSA closely when she was the CEO of HP http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417938/ceo-and-cia-jim-geraghty
This is a specific position in Trump's Administration. This isn't a Secretary of State position. With her past experience of working with the intelligence community, she will be just fine.
NeoNemesis
2[H]4U
- Joined
- Mar 10, 2004
- Messages
- 2,466
I'm genuinely interested to see what he will do over the next four years.
Very concerned, of course, since he's a narcissist with serious anger management issues and absolutely no tact.
But he isn't boring....
Very concerned, of course, since he's a narcissist with serious anger management issues and absolutely no tact.
But he isn't boring....
TwistedAegis
[H]F Junkie
- Joined
- Oct 7, 2009
- Messages
- 8,958
Yeah. I'm not looking for broad based growth out of this administration, I'm looking for further rent seeking from already entrenched companies. Good luck and thanks for all the fish.
Bandalo
2[H]4U
- Joined
- Dec 15, 2010
- Messages
- 2,660
I'm in the military. I like boring. Boring doesn't get me killed.
D
Deleted member 126051
Guest
The problem is, a bunch of shockingly stupid political infants have been bleating about "our democracy" for so many decades now it's become "Tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth."
This is why all the Hillaridiots keep braying on about "the popular vote".
Even though the results of the popular vote are nothing more than an interesting-but-useless statistic.
They're going to try to resurrect the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.
D
Deleted member 136890
Guest
So you expect a PC type of person. Do you want him to come out wearing a safety pin or a pacifier or how about passing out coloring books to all the cry babies.
I am so glad we have a President that tells it like it is and doesn't hold back. Enough of the PC bullshit and lay it on the table.
Wierdo
[H]ard|Gawd
- Joined
- Jul 2, 2011
- Messages
- 1,817
Uhm, no, the reason they are afraid of a Trump win, is because no one has taken outsourcing of American jobs to the extremes that the tech industry has, and they are particularly afraid of what will happen to their massive numbers of H1B visa workers they have.
They don't like that Trump is asking them to manufacture in the US.
They don't like that Trump is asking them to favor American employees.
They don't like that Trump is threatening them to stop offshoring so many funds to avoid paying taxes in the US.
I can't fathom why so many here are against Trump in this regard, as his primary beef issues are trying to defend American workers in the tech industry. More and more of us are seeing our jobs outsourced, as Intel and the like use the excuse of "improving diversity" to fire expensive employees in Western nations in favor of cheaper labor from India, Pakistan, and S.E.Asia.
I would have also accepted Oligarchy, had we not just witnessed an unprecedented populist win in this past election. I was really expecting another Clinton or Bush to win, but luckily people were fed up with the status quo and looking for an outsider like Bernie or Trump to clean house.
Hope that Trump doesn't preemptively win a Nobel Peace Prize before even doing anything, like Obama, who subsequently committed more troops on the ground in the middle-east than Dubya did even during his "massive surge", promoting an "Arab Spring" that resulted in the spread of Islamism, and recently has been doing everything possible to try and provoke at the very least a second Cold War with the next greatest world superpower after ourselves, Russia.
Seriously, I've never seen the Democrats more hawkish, and to try to start a war with Russia of all nations, and to criticize Trump for being "too soft" just because he doesn't believe in this "new normal" of perpetual warfare.
Call Trump an isolationist if you want, but count your lucky stars you don't have the Clinton's back in office if they were going to keep true to their campaign promises or we'd end up in another arms race and proxy wars with Putin, rather than joining forces with Russia to defeat technologically inferior ISIS forces.
D
Deleted member 126051
Guest
Legally and officially, the US is a republic; Article IV of the Constitution "guarantee(s) to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government."
Realistically, the US is a procedurally democratic civil oligarchy. This has not changed with the election of Trump, who is himself the very definition of an oligarch, and who has just nominated the wealthiest cabinet in US history.
Last edited:
And the reality is, Trump won the popular vote by a landslide, if you don't include the state of California.
A state in which only 57.4% of its inhabitants claim English as their native language, and allow absolutely anyone to vote without any ID taken, so you can claim to be whoever you want and vote over and over and over again.
This is the United States of America, not the United States of California, and if you were to allow California which is so divorced from how most of the rest of the country thinks and operates to completely dominate US politics and where politicians would only bother to campaign in mega-cities, you'd end up with another civil war. The Democrats have spent the last 8 years completely dividing America, so it'd be nice if they took this opportunity to relax a little, and allow us to reunite as a tribe.
All I'm saying is that the San Andreas fault exists for a reason. The energy of the planet is working to remove you from the continent, but at a slow enough pace that you hopefully won't notice and come over to our side until its too late. The backup plan is global warming and rising ocean levels.
I kid, but seriously, I think its time to get over the tantrums and like a well adjusted adult just accept that Democrats lost every branch of government with their antics, and use that as a learning experience and get over it and focus on what we can do together for the next four years at least to contribute to making America great, rather than praying and wishing for disaster and doing everything possible to undermine US prosperity.
I kid, but seriously, I think its time to get over the tantrums and like a well adjusted adult just accept that Democrats lost every branch of government with their antics, and use that as a learning experience and get over it and focus on what we can do together for the next four years at least to contribute to making America great, rather than praying and wishing for disaster and doing everything possible to undermine US prosperity.
3 questions
1) Are you in favor of poll taxes, despite the fact the are unconstitutional? If so, why not put the tax at $10,000 or something similar? Read up a bit on Voter ID (https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet). If you disagree, please provide evidence of an area where voter fraud has been proven to be a real problem (and conspiracy sites are not acceptable submissions).
2) In a land of Immigrants, is it a surprise that a large number would not have English as their native language? I'm not certain all my grandparents would qualify as English as a native language - 2 of them spoke German fluently. And they were 2nd and 3rd generation in the US!
3) In the current system with the electoral college, a vote in Wyoming is worth 4 votes in California. Why should one vote be more equal than others? If we're going to be arbitrary as to who's vote is worth more, can we have education be the deciding factor? Why not make a BS degree be worth 2x the vote of someone who didn't graduate High School? Maybe make a Masters worth 3x, and a Doctorate worth 4x?
Photo ID is free in every state. Poll tax is irrelevant in this discussion despite the ACLU claiming otherwise. The Photo ID at the DMV that you pay for is for your Driver's License. Different thing. Otherwise, you can fill out a provisional ballot that has to be verified after the fact.
Yeah... sure. Like in Wisconsin where you can get your free ID 4 days a year (5th wednesday), between 10am and 4pm. You know, when people are at work. Sure, there are more offices in the larger metro areas, such as Madison and Milwaukee, but now you're taxing people with travel.
For real, true free photo ID, it better be available with no more than 5 miles of travel and available to get 7 days a week between 8am and 8pm.
None the less, why require photo ID at all?
Oh so you're able to function without a photo id buying prescriptions drugs, alcohol, notary services, financial institution access, etc? I seriously doubt that people are able to access every faucet of life without a photo ID. Again, they already have an alternative which is filing a provisional ballot. Do you understand what is a provisional ballot? It doesn't seem like you do. There's also the other thing that people actually have to register to vote which requires you to travel.
We're already taxing people with mailing ballots which requires postage/postmark or delivering their ballots in person in Washington State and it's a 100% mail-in ballot state.
NeoNemesis
2[H]4U
- Joined
- Mar 10, 2004
- Messages
- 2,466
Did I say that? Please, direct me to the part of my comment where I listed PC as my only requirement for president.
Trump isn't 'not PC' he's just petty and vindictive.
Nope. Project Veritas has condensed mountains of evidence of Democrats at least ATTEMPTING widescale voter fraud in one easy format. How successful their efforts are can't be exactly measured, thanks to Democrats fighting even the most basic anti-voter fraud measures. Luckily, the fraud wasn't enough this go around to swing the election as Hillary was just that unpopular.
The US is not, and has not, been a country with empty plains in manifest destiny for quite some time now, and to ensure assimilation with American values and ideals (and language), immigrants should not account for more than 2% of the US population at any given time IMO. As you naturalize and Americanize those people to our culture, you bring in more of the best that the world has to offer, legally.
Ask Native Americans what happens when you have too many immigrants coming in all at once. We're not speaking their language on this forum or have assimilated to their culture, I can promise you that. And especially when they are uninvited immigrants, its really just an invasion at that point, seeking to displace you.
Are you going to act like you don't understand the purpose of the electoral college, and why none of the states would have even formed the United STATES of America if they knew they would have no say in how they were governed? Its a matter of states rights and to see that people are represented from all walks of life all around the country, and not just limited to a couple of mega cities on the coast. And California has far more electoral votes than Wyoming, as the compromise.
Trump won an overwhelming 7.5 million popular vote victory in 3,084 of the country's 3,141 counties or county equivalents in America's heartland, and no I don't believe that America benefits when a couple mega cities that refuse to implement even the most basic voter fraud protections attempts to dominate US politics.
Last edited:
If you're poor enough that traveling for an ID or purchasing a drivers license is a barrier to voting, I'm pretty sure you're not too worried about affording notary services, financial institutions, or prescription drugs. I'm betting your current status is "well above the poverty" line based on your comments.
Still, why require the provisional ballot at all? Why are you so hung up on ID in the first place?
Sure, the purpose of the electoral college, along with the 3/5 rule, was to give the slave states, with their lower populations, a more powerful footing in the election process than their population would otherwise earn. Generally speaking, it was created to help keep the elites in power and separate from the mass population.
State's rights were diminished in 1865 - things changed quite a bit from independence and the merging of the states to 1865, and things have changed even more now.
Last edited:
Again, a provisional ballot is free which is for people who are not registered to vote. And if they forgot their ID, they can still provide a provisional ballot and if they check out, their vote is counted. These ballots have been around forever. Poll tax is a myth these days.
So notary services are cheap as shit which they cost less than $20 or in most places like a bank or volunteer organization, they do provide free notary services PROVIDED you have a photo ID. A lot of state institution services requires notarized documents in both blue and red states. ALL BANKS requires photo ID, no exceptions because it's federal law to access an account which falls under the Patriot Act. Prescription Drugs are required to have photo ID's no matter what again no exceptions. Getting food stamps, photo ID, getting housing support, photo ID, etc. Who are these people that do not need a photo ID in their life? I would like to know.
These people in poverty who are getting state support have to go to state organizations at business hours. Typically in these same places is the DMV or a person who is authorized to distribute photo ID. An inconvenience!
Last edited:
Do you mind if I vote on your behalf next election? The point is obvious, to ensure that one person gets one vote, and that person is who they say they are.
- There is no credible evidence that in-person impersonation voter fraud -- the only type of fraud that photo IDs could prevent – is even a minor problem.
There is no credible evidence that voting with an ID or without an ID is even a minor problem (since a provisional ballot can be substituted). Goes both ways.
Then keep it simple. If it really goes both ways, why have the extra barrier in place at all?
It is very simple. You're at the booth, present photo ID, don't have it, a provisional ballot will be provided. It's already in place. Wow so hard.
What evidence can you collect if voter-ID is not required in the first place? How could you possibly even catch someone?
Yes, if you have dead people voting for years after they are deceased, you can catch that... and we have seen that.
But aside from that, its like having a system where police are not allowed to measure how fast cars are going, and say that there's no evidence people are speeding... you have to put the tools in place to measure it and get precise numbers of what percentage are speeding. We know for a fact that widescale voter fraud efforts ARE put in place though, by organizations like ACORN that were successfully prosecuted last election cycle and by the leaked video footage in this one with organized well funded efforts to commit voter fraud.
In any case, the Democrats have lost all branches of government, so lets stop with the tantrums and work on what we can contribute to America's prosperity as a nation... and maybe even work on talking about Trump and the tech industry specifically as a start.
misfitsfiend
[H]ard|Gawd
- Joined
- Jun 18, 2003
- Messages
- 1,293
I work in a pharmacy and you have no idea what you're talking about. PIckup of legend prescriptions varies greatly by state. You only need ID to pick up Schedule II-V medications in most states.
It's also funy how many jobs Trump and Fiorina sent oversees, yet you people think they're gonna magically bring them back over here because your favorite reality tv show host got elected.
So you didn't disprove my point at all. Good job. http://www.namsdl.org/library/B86EEA4F-1372-636C-DD9DC3EC15AA9959/ As all states have 50 different regulations, they're pretty consistent in making sure the recipient is identifiable. I never was specific. The point I brought up surrounding ID is that prescription drugs require identifications and your rebuke is "Yes but...." Nothing's changed.
The position that Fiorina is supposedly going to be placed in has nothing to do with job offshoring. But hey keep talking about HP even though Mark Hurd continued where Fiorina left off where another 15,000 were laid off. So your opinion is that she's automatically disqualified because the board of directors of HP insisted on eliminating the HP Way and changing the company culture that Fiorina started and Mark Hurd finished.
Last edited:
Zion Halcyon
2[H]4U
- Joined
- Dec 28, 2007
- Messages
- 2,108
CTR and media matters is everywhere man. They got to find something to do with all these paid shills now that Hillary failed to get into the white house.
Zion Halcyon
2[H]4U
- Joined
- Dec 28, 2007
- Messages
- 2,108
The forefathers came up with the electoral college system to prevent a handful of concentrated populous areas from dictating policy to the entire country. It worked as intended, and idiots who don't understand this are essentially like a sports idiot saying they should be a world champion after losing their championship game because they scored the most points in the regular season.
- Status