Star Citizen’s Production Schedule Made Public

Armenius said:
I'm sorry, but where do you get the 5-6 year number from? You couldn't get a game published if it took that long to develop and you'd run out of money long before you could even sell it to anyone. In the real world it takes anywhere from 24-36 months to develop a "AAA" title "from the ground up." There are developers who frequent this forum like razor1 who could lay it all out.
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I could say more but I will just say it takes a lot to develop a game from the ground up and to say it only takes 24-36 months for an AAA is disingenuous at best. Especially for a large space sim.

PS: Not including SC own reality....
 
A production schedule with no concrete due dates?

And people are actually buying into this?

Wtf is wrong with people? o_O
 
Pringle said:
A production schedule with no concrete due dates?

And people are actually buying into this?

Wtf is wrong with people? o_O
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It's all smoke and mirrors to make people fee more comfortable spending cash on digital spaceships. I like what SC is trying to do, however their project management is fucked.

Keep in mind the S42 single player content was a stretch goal for hitting $3 million. Now they've raised $130 million and don't even talk about S42...
 
rezerekted said:
Still better than Derek Smart's abortion that has been in continual development for about 20 years now. DS made Millenium available for free then he added a patch to it and is now charging $10.99 for it. He also has a some new version that is the same game but claims to have a new graphics engine for $39.99. Only problem the new graphics engine has not been implemented and all you get is the same old Millenium with promises of new stuff later.

You can get Star Citizen now with basic gameplay for $40.00 so there is a product to sell, with more to come.
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First SC fanboy to mention DS in defense of Roberts Industries without him being brought up before. You fan boys are sadly predictable.
*news flash* just because you don't think the game is going to ever be released doesn't mean we agree with Derek Smart, well except that SC probably won't make it to market.

Why do you all hate Derek so much? Is it because he made Roberts cry?
 
considereing the amount of cash put into this, the amount of time passed already and the amount of people working on it, there really isn't much to show. I think the idea is great and have a freelancer myself, but were over 4 years into this now, im expecting some actual results, not tech demos.
 
If funding dries up then this "game" will go up in smoke. If the funding continues, maybe we'll see a playable product in 2020.
 
Krazy925 said:
First SC fanboy to mention DS in defense of Roberts Industries without him being brought up before. You fan boys are sadly predictable.
*news flash* just because you don't think the game is going to ever be released doesn't mean we agree with Derek Smart, well except that SC probably won't make it to market.

Why do you all hate Derek so much? Is it because he made Roberts cry?
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Newsflash: I don't even own SC, yet, so how can i be a fanboy?

But I have been following development of SC and what I have seen has me excited and think I may buy it soon. I used DS as a comparison because you lot were complaining about slow development of SC which is not so bad when you compare to DS's game. DS can't even code semi-realistic physics so there is no hope for him and his shite game.

The X series, Evochron series and Elite Dangerous all outshine any space game DS has ever made.
 
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relapse808 said:
considereing the amount of cash put into this, the amount of time passed already and the amount of people working on it, there really isn't much to show. I think the idea is great and have a freelancer myself, but were over 4 years into this now, im expecting some actual results, not tech demos.
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You're a Freelance fan? Then buy this EA game on Steam, Starpoint Gemini Warlords.

http://www.starpointgemini.com/

But if want a game similar to Freelancer that is is finished now then get Starpoint Gemini2.

I own all three of their games.
 
rezerekted said:
Newsflash: I don't even own SC, yet, so how can i be a fanboy?

But I have been following development of SC and what I have seen has me excited and think I may buy it soon. I used DS as a comparison because you lot were complaining about slow development of SC which is not so bad when you compare to DS's game. DS can't even code semi-realistic physics so there is no hope for him and his shite game.

The X series, Evochron series and Elite Dangerous all outshine any space game DS has ever made.
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It's a safe bet when someone literally repeats what Roberts has said about DS, especially considering he wasn't mentioned in the article at all.
Hey no biggie though I'm sure you aren't a fan and repeated something Roberts has said. :rolleyes:
 
Krazy925 said:
It's a safe bet when someone literally repeats what Roberts has said about DS, especially considering he wasn't mentioned in the article at all.
Hey no biggie though I'm sure you aren't a fan and repeated something Roberts has said. :rolleyes:
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I've never read anything Robert's has said about DS! I've known all about DS going back to the mid 90s and have had conversations with him on Usenet in the flight-sim group. DS got beat up by a coke machine. LOL
 
rezerekted said:
Newsflash: I don't even own SC, yet, so how can i be a fanboy?

But I have been following development of SC and what I have seen has me excited and think I may buy it soon. I used DS as a comparison because you lot were complaining about slow development of SC which is not so bad when you compare to DS's game. DS can't even code semi-realistic physics so there is no hope for him and his shite game.

The X series, Evochron series and Elite Dangerous all outshine any space game DS has ever made.
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Derek Smart is irrelevant to this situation. it doesnt change what SC is now and it doesn't invalidate the completely valid concerns people have over it. There was no reason to bring him up other than to be like "yeah well look at this thing and pretend SC isn't a giant disaster".
 
Derangel said:
Derek Smart is irrelevant to this situation. it doesnt change what SC is now and it doesn't invalidate the completely valid concerns people have over it. There was no reason to bring him up other than to be like "yeah well look at this thing and pretend SC isn't a giant disaster".
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How is SC a disaster when it is in development still? Looks brilliant to me.

Ever heard of an EA game called Kenshi? I bought it on gamersgate years ago for $11.00 CAD and it was in very rough shape but it didn't bother me because I knew it was EA. Well, one day I found out the guy had already been working on it for five years prior to me even buying it and it didn't even have sound. It has sound now but it is still in rough shape and in total this game has been in development for about ten years already and I am still not whining about it like you are SC. I reckon Kenshi will be in development for life and still don't care. SC is a very ambitious and comlex project so f course it is going to take time to do right.

That is why I mention DS's game, 20 years and it is still shite.

 
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rezerekted said:
How is SC a disaster when it is in development still? Looks brilliant to me.
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It looks like something that is massively over bloated, over promised, insanely behind schedule and over budget, and will probably never be what people want it to be. If it ever becomes a full game it's not going to be everything promised or all it's been hyped up as. At this point that is all but impossible. It's already going to be the most expensive game ever made (not counting marketing) and is poised to top the budget of several summer action movies. It kind of seems like a disaster right now, especially with things being constantly delayed and promised things, like the single player, just up and vanishing from the schedule and not even being mentioned at their convention. Let's not even get into how fucking insane it is to have a convention for a game that isn't even done yet.
 
Derangel said:
It looks like something that is massively over bloated, over promised, insanely behind schedule and over budget, and will probably never be what people want it to be. If it ever becomes a full game it's not going to be everything promised or all it's been hyped up as. At this point that is all but impossible. It's already going to be the most expensive game ever made (not counting marketing) and is poised to top the budget of several summer action movies. It kind of seems like a disaster right now, especially with things being constantly delayed and promised things, like the single player, just up and vanishing from the schedule and not even being mentioned at their convention. Let's not even get into how fucking insane it is to have a convention for a game that isn't even done yet.
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If it has half of what it promises it will still be 20x better than Battlecruiser Millenium.
 
rezerekted said:
If it has half of what it promises it will still be 20x better than Battlecruiser Millenium.
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Probably, but that game is irrelevant. Derek Smart is not relevant, his game is not relevant. Bringing up that game serves no purpose, it's existence doesn't absolve SC or Roberts of anything nor does it suddenly make everything all perfect and okay. Constantly bringing up Smart or his game is exactly what SC fanboys do to try and defend the "game" instead of actually addressing any of the issues people bring up.
 
Derangel said:
Probably, but that game is irrelevant. Derek Smart is not relevant, his game is not relevant. Bringing up that game serves no purpose, it's existence doesn't absolve SC or Roberts of anything nor does it suddenly make everything all perfect and okay. Constantly bringing up Smart or his game is exactly what SC fanboys do to try and defend the "game" instead of actually addressing any of the issues people bring up.
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what about your shitty unsubstantiated opinion, do us a favour go develop a game the size, scope and quality of star citizen in 3 years then come back to us.
 
Krazy925 said:
You sure care a lot for a non fan boy. You sound like a guy towing the company line.
http://www.pcgamer.com/derek-smart-star-citizen/
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You need to read the last paragraph and understand DS had an ulterior motive to back the game. DS is not a good guy - fact.

"It was obvious he was not a supporter of our project and was just using our visibility as a platform to gain attention and promote his current game and his past games," a Cloud Imperium Games rep explained in an email. "We have strict rules about people using our forums and chat for self-promotion and it was clear that he didn’t care about the project, or the backers, or a good game being made. He was just trying to create a huge fuss to make himself relevant at a lot of other people's expense and distress. So we enacted our rights through Kickstarter (that we also have on our own TOS) and refunded him and turned his account off."
 
rezerekted said:
You need to read the last paragraph and understand DS had an ulterior motive to back the game. DS is not a good guy - fact.

"It was obvious he was not a supporter of our project and was just using our visibility as a platform to gain attention and promote his current game and his past games," a Cloud Imperium Games rep explained in an email. "We have strict rules about people using our forums and chat for self-promotion and it was clear that he didn’t care about the project, or the backers, or a good game being made. He was just trying to create a huge fuss to make himself relevant at a lot of other people's expense and distress. So we enacted our rights through Kickstarter (that we also have on our own TOS) and refunded him and turned his account off."
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The only thing Derek did is call them out and he has enough infamy to get people to pay attention to him. I realized prior to Derek that SC was a disaster in the making when they kept selling expensive ship packages after the kickstarter had ended and increased the alpha slot limit right as it was reached.

They raised the money four years ago and seem to have had roughly a year to build their KickStarter demo. They are five years in, not four.
 
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PersonalJ said:
The only thing Derek did is call them out and he has enough infamy to get people to pay attention to him. I realized prior to Derek that SC was a disaster in the making when they kept selling expensive ship packages after the kickstarter had ended and increased the alpha slot limit right as it was reached.

They raised the money four years ago and seem to have had roughly a year to build their KickStarter demo. They are five years in, not four.
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F DS, that is still a lot less than 20 years. Have you ever played Battlecruiser? It is an abortion of a game. Good idea for a game but very poorly executed. DS is just butt hurt because SC is going to put his game to shame and is very similar in concept. If SC succeeds, and I think it will, no one will ever even consider buying a Battlecruiser game over SC and DS knows that. Once that happens it will be game over for poor Derek.
 
rezerekted said:
F DS, that is still a lot less than 20 years. Have you ever played Battlecruiser? It is an abortion of a game. Good idea for a game but very poorly executed. DS is just butt hurt because SC is going to put his game to shame and is very similar in concept. If SC succeeds, and I think it will, no one will ever even consider buying a Battlecruiser game over SC and DS knows that. Once that happens it will be game over for poor Derek.
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Who the fuck cares about some guy named "Derek"?

He has nothing to do with this over-budget abortion.
 
rezerekted said:
F DS, that is still a lot less than 20 years. Have you ever played Battlecruiser? It is an abortion of a game. Good idea for a game but very poorly executed. DS is just butt hurt because SC is going to put his game to shame and is very similar in concept. If SC succeeds, and I think it will, no one will ever even consider buying a Battlecruiser game over SC and DS knows that. Once that happens it will be game over for poor Derek.
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Hah, yeah SC will put it to shame. I'll believe that when I see it. At least DS has put out games, whatever you think of him or them and I was around in the old flamewars on usenet. Have you not read up on Starlancer/Freelancer or ever played them? Robert's seem to be following that plan for about a year before they all got off on the hero worship and people buying non existant virtual ships. Put out a game instead of promising the moon and the stars while ignoring game design reality.
 
I'm starting to think the guy works for Chris Roberts. He won't let DS go even though he has fuck all to do with this.

Typical SC fan, brings up extraneous issues about someone else to shield poor Sandy and Chris from criticism.
 
Ranulfo said:
Hah, yeah SC will put it to shame. I'll believe that when I see it. At least DS has put out games, whatever you think of him or them and I was around in the old flamewars on usenet. Have you not read up on Starlancer/Freelancer or ever played them? Robert's seem to be following that plan for about a year before they all got off on the hero worship and people buying non existant virtual ships. Put out a game instead of promising the moon and the stars while ignoring game design reality.
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I have Freelancer, the new replacement for that game is Starpoint Gemini2 and Starpoint Gemini Warlord (EA), which I own too. SC looks to be far more realistic than any of those games. The problem with a lot of these games is they don't use even remotely realistic physics and Battlecruiser series is the worst of all in that aspect. The physics model on his latest version is exactly the same as the physics model on his very first version. It is pure shite.



p.s. what was your username on Usenet?
 
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Here you go, just found a video published Oct 27 that gives you a history and current state of SC. It is not vaporware.



Does this look like no product to you?



 
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nightrider said:
Stepping into my flame retardant suit ...

Most of the games that are being referenced have established game franchises that already have all the game mechanics worked out and the company infrastructures setup from previous titles.
Titanfall 2 is a very good game, while Infinite Warfare feels like a COD refresh title It takes time to establish a company, build the infrastructure and acquire the right talent.
Star Citizen is only in the start of it's fifth year of open development for a AAA title. Most AAA titles take from 5-6 years or more to develop in a closed environment.
While the game is an open development alpha and not feature complete, it is playable. I'm very realistic in that the current live build 2.5 is a very unstable build. Give it the time that a AAA title takes to mature.
It's the most ambitious game title to date with tech that needs to be built to achieve, not a title that a game publisher pushes out before it's ready like No Man's Sky.
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No, it's a game with a constantly expanding scope, which seems to be a way to continue collecting money without delivering a product.
The fact is this was supposed to be out at least 2 years ago. That's the deal he made on Kickstarter. At this point, it's probably going to be at least another year or 2 (assuming it really isn't vaporware).

As for being a new game, give me a break. That may add something, but it's not 2 years. Chris could hire people who have experience on the game engine. He could hire people who have experience with space physics. He could hire people who have experience with FPS (assuming it's got that element) as well as people who are experienced in MMOs.

It's not 2 years over due and they're still in alpha.
 
Deathroned said:
what about your shitty unsubstantiated opinion, do us a favour go develop a game the size, scope and quality of star citizen in 3 years then come back to us.
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It's not the critic's fault that the developer has missed deadline after deadline. Again: 2 years late and still in early alpha. It will likely be at least another 2 years before something comes out.
 
rezerekted said:
F DS, that is still a lot less than 20 years. Have you ever played Battlecruiser? It is an abortion of a game. Good idea for a game but very poorly executed. DS is just butt hurt because SC is going to put his game to shame and is very similar in concept. If SC succeeds, and I think it will, no one will ever even consider buying a Battlecruiser game over SC and DS knows that. Once that happens it will be game over for poor Derek.
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Aside from criticizing SC, I've never heard of Smart. I don't care if his game sucks balls. I do care that SC seems to constantly need more money to continue without ever showing much progress. I hope I'm wrong. I ant to buy this game (even a simple stand alone game taht's WC+Privateer would be good enough for me), but if you don't think this looks shady, then I need to find a bunch of people like you to invest in this awesome widget I've designed. It'll power a care without fuel and if you connect it to your cable, it becomes an 8k 120" display complete with thousands of 8k movies and free netflix, hulu, YouTube Red and amazon prime video. I just need to raise 3 million dollars.
 
nilepez said:
Aside from criticizing SC, I've never heard of Smart. I don't care if his game sucks balls. I do care that SC seems to constantly need more money to continue without ever showing much progress. I hope I'm wrong. I ant to buy this game (even a simple stand alone game taht's WC+Privateer would be good enough for me), but if you don't think this looks shady, then I need to find a bunch of people like you to invest in this awesome widget I've designed. It'll power a care without fuel and if you connect it to your cable, it becomes an 8k 120" display complete with thousands of 8k movies and free netflix, hulu, YouTube Red and amazon prime video. I just need to raise 3 million dollars.
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I know it's changing subjects, but do you have an ETA on your program? This program of yours aligns with my interests. Even as late as January would be acceptable release date.
 
nilepez said:
Aside from criticizing SC, I've never heard of Smart. I don't care if his game sucks balls. I do care that SC seems to constantly need more money to continue without ever showing much progress. I hope I'm wrong. I ant to buy this game (even a simple stand alone game taht's WC+Privateer would be good enough for me), but if you don't think this looks shady, then I need to find a bunch of people like you to invest in this awesome widget I've designed. It'll power a care without fuel and if you connect it to your cable, it becomes an 8k 120" display complete with thousands of 8k movies and free netflix, hulu, YouTube Red and amazon prime video. I just need to raise 3 million dollars.
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You're selling to the wrong crowd. Nobody here has any cares.
 
nilepez said:
Aside from criticizing SC, I've never heard of Smart. I don't care if his game sucks balls. I do care that SC seems to constantly need more money to continue without ever showing much progress. I hope I'm wrong. I ant to buy this game (even a simple stand alone game taht's WC+Privateer would be good enough for me), but if you don't think this looks shady, then I need to find a bunch of people like you to invest in this awesome widget I've designed. It'll power a care without fuel and if you connect it to your cable, it becomes an 8k 120" display complete with thousands of 8k movies and free netflix, hulu, YouTube Red and amazon prime video. I just need to raise 3 million dollars.
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Derek Smart is who the fan boys start to attack when they realize you've done research and the game still ain't close to being released.
 
nilepez said:
I ant to buy this game (even a simple stand alone game taht's WC+Privateer would be good enough for me),
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Then buy Elite Dangerous.

No, it doesn't look shady to me, they just want to expand on the the game and deliver us what DS couldn't achieve so it is going to take longer than expected.
 
macksomerville said:
As an original backer, I havent bothered to download a new release in over a year. Something might come out, but the delusions of my fellow citizens are hilarious.
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Same here. I spent "only" $85 on the original "pledge" for it. They aren't seeing another penny from me until the game is released. Mainly I'm waiting for SQ42 which I gather from some of the posts may have for some reason or another evaporated.
 
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rezerekted said:
Then buy Elite Dangerous.

No, it doesn't look shady to me, they just want to expand on the the game and deliver us what DS couldn't achieve so it is going to take longer than expected.
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me too. Please send me 100 million dollars and I will deliver this game in 2 years (or is it 20..whatever, it'll be the best).
 
nilepez said:
Neither of those games strike me as being remotely like Wing Commander, which is what people those who are interestedin SC want. It may be a scam (and they don't have my money), but I'd buy SC. I'm not very interested in a war game.
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It's the Wing Commander Roberts always wanted to build. 99% of the people probably wanted what you said though.

Kinda like Star Wars Episodes 1-3.... I fear we might get a similar product. Everyone prep yourselfs for Jar Jar Binks.
 
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