Humans Will Not Survive Another 1,000 Years

nutzo said:
Which is the real problem.
Western educated counties are not having enough kids, while people in poor uneducated counties continue to have large families.
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The earth cannot sustain the large population. Third world countries will continue mass procreation and is unsustainable. The western world is actually moving toward sustainability with the rise of robotics.
 
nutzo said:
They've been predicting that for hundreds of years, yet food production keeps rising, and the number of people working on farms keeps dropping.

And if we really have global warming, it will lengthen growing seasons and open new land areas to farming.
Combined with the increase in CO2 (it makes plants grow faster) I don't see a problem.
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The continual drop in biodiversity, massive drop in ocean population. I think your being very optimistic.
 
cyclone3d said:
Carl Sagan.. hahahah. "We are all made of star stuff".
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Is he wrong? To our knowledge (last i checked) all heavier elements are produced by stars and seeded into the universe by novas.

People love to laugh at those with an ability to dumb something down for the masses, but we need these ideas dumbed down to a grade 3 level so everyone can roughly understand.
 
Well since the rapture and all the apocalypses have passed and nothing happened I would say anyone trying to predict anything is crying wolf... That said i can believe it we have hit a crucial cO2 threshold and if there was past precident for it being so high it would have been reported on the only way we will stop it from what ever it will trigger be it a runaway greenhouse effect melting all polar ice to reduce the land mass or if it will acidify our atmosphere like venus or if it triggers a ice age that will reduce the global temperature until recovery happens...

To be honest we need to come up with a permanent way of regulating the atmosphere and all the life cycles if we want to live on this one planet permanently. Furthermore we need to be able to tame planets without the means to keep an atmosphere... like the moon or mars we need to first generate a artificial magnetosphere then a shell capable of holding in an atmosphere compatible with our life... think spaceballs glass shield around the planet to keep the air in once generated... These 2 things need to be addressed before terraforming can begin...
 
Tsumi said:
At which point survival of the strongest will take over. Just because we can't feed our entire population doesn't mean our entire population will suddenly die off.
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Our modern society and technology plus political correctness has made us to forget this golden rule on this planet.

That rule was in effect on day 1 and it will be in effect on our last days.

We are all on borrowed time on this planet we don't own it the earth will continue on with or without us.

And that's why you live everyday to its fullest. We can all be gone tomorrow!
 
MacLeod said:
Maybe it's the optimist in me but I think we'll be fine. We continue to improve our quality of life and are making large advances in health and science constantly. Yeah if a giant asteroid slams into the planet we're screwed but barring some catastrophic event like that, I think humans will be around a long, long time and colonizing other planets possibly.
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I think we'd survive even a giant asteroid (as long as anything could survive), even if it was just a tiny fraction of the current population.

If anything, major catastrophic events I think would improve the species, as it is only through adversity that we cull the weak and promote the strong. That's why sharks are so important for the ocean ecosystem, as while its very much true that we are able to predate the oceans of biomass with tremendous efficiency and so need no ocean predators to help in that regard, the problem is that we do so indiscriminately. Sharks by contrast focus on the weak, and as such drive evolution forward and keep the gene pool clean.
 
Makaveli@BETA said:
Our modern society and technology plus political correctness has made us to forget this golden rule on this planet.

That rule was in effect on day 1 and it will be in effect on our last days.

We are all on borrowed time on this planet we don't own it the earth will continue on with or without us.

And that's why you live everyday to its fullest. We can all be gone tomorrow!
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Yep, Reminds me of a Cormic McArthy quote from the Road,

"Barrowed time and barrowed world & barrowed eyes with which to sorrow it".


The Earth will continue to spin around the sun Loooooong after we are gone. Just like it has Long before we were spawned from it.

Might leave a little styrofoam though :)
 
Krenum said:
Yep, Reminds me of a Cormic McArthy quote from the Road,

"Barrowed time and barrowed world & barrowed eyes with which to sorrow it".


The Earth will continue to spin around the sun Loooooong after we are gone. Just like it has Long before we were spawned from it.

Might leave a little styrofoam though :)
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Is that like a wheelbarrow? I suppose you can put some serious time into a wheelbarrow.
 
Aireoth said:
Is he wrong? To our knowledge (last i checked) all heavier elements are produced by stars and seeded into the universe by novas.

People love to laugh at those with an ability to dumb something down for the masses, but we need these ideas dumbed down to a grade 3 level so everyone can roughly understand.
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When I was young I watched a lot of his show. And then a year or so ago I watched some again.

His basic theory as stated on the show is - "We have no idea where we came from, so we must be made of star stuff".

That isn't dumbing down. That is mind numbingly dumb.
 
Despotes said:
I thought we're all gonna die from "Climate change"? :eek: :vomit: :dead:
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You're thinking of "Global Worming".

As greenhouse gasses cause temperatures to rise, most of the globe will turn into sandy deserts inhabited by giant killer worms.
 
There are estimates AI could hit level 3 inside 50 years, and that is not just from Hawking's opinion by a long shot.

If that occurs, it's all theoretical on what could happen.

People joke about it, but if it hit that stage would be a self aware learning system that would be outside of the scope of speculative fiction movies attempts at representing it.

Could even be the next stage of human evolution if you are optimistic about it.
 
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Aireoth said:
Is he wrong? To our knowledge (last i checked) all heavier elements are produced by stars and seeded into the universe by novas. People love to laugh at those with an ability to dumb something down for the masses, but we need these ideas dumbed down to a grade 3 level so everyone can roughly understand.
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You do know that a huge number of people still believe in a sky daddy, right? They're not able to comprehend scientific thought.
 
Over population and starvation don't exist. Point me to one valid study that says it exists over the entire timeline of the earth, but ignore all of the data after humans stopped hunting and gathering because modern food production is still too new and doesn't statistically fit the model from the beginning of earth's existence.
 
-PK- said:
Over population and starvation don't exist. Point me to one valid study that says it exists over the entire timeline of the earth, but ignore all of the data after humans stopped hunting and gathering because modern food production is still too new and doesn't statistically fit the model from the beginning of earth's existence.
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Starvation exists in large levels in many countries. But that is usually in the form of a Government denying aid to control the populace to a degree.
 
nutzo said:
They've been predicting that for hundreds of years, yet food production keeps rising, and the number of people working on farms keeps dropping.

And if we really have global warming, it will lengthen growing seasons and open new land areas to farming.
Combined with the increase in CO2 (it makes plants grow faster) I don't see a problem.
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While this is true, as you move north (to get to cooler land) the seasonal extremes get stronger. And plants once they start decaying release CO2. Add to this all the Methane trapped in the perma frost tundra, it does bear watching. I'm not an alarmist. The earth has been going through change since the dawn of time. There was a time Earth was considerably hotter averaging over 100F days. (And yes complex life existed back then.) If worse comes to worse, we'll all go carbon based solar (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/carbon-emerges-as-new-solar-power-material/) and wind and pull our cold from the earth using geo thermal heat pumps. And you can even take solar focused lenses to power things like Stirling engines which is close to 50% efficient. (Much better than conventional sources)

If we face extinction, you know what they say, "Necessity is the mother of invention" We will figure something out. Even a genetically engineered virus coudln't wipe us out. And a nuclear war? Only rogue states would be so dumb and they don't have enough weapons to send us into a nuclear winter.
 
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DukenukemX said:
Speak for yourself. I plan to be alive and healthy in 1000 years.

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Yeah unless someone can figure out how to stop telomeres from shortening, or DNA corruption/RNA replication errors from free radicals/ionizing radiation it's not going to happen.
 
MongGrel said:
Starvation exists in large levels in many countries. But that is usually in the form of a Government denying aid to control the populace to a degree.
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I was applying the global warming deniers' fallacy to all other modern issues. (And their misunderstanding of confidence intervals.)
 
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See your pet cat and dog? That's how intelligent we are with respect to why we exist and what makes us conscious. Even if Hawking is the smartest person on earth he's still just a little smarter dog that can recognize a few more toys. We don't know anything, we are nothing. Perhaps if we stopped believing some hippy could answer all our unknowns we might progress.
 
cyclone3d said:
When I was young I watched a lot of his show. And then a year or so ago I watched some again.

His basic theory as stated on the show is - "We have no idea where we came from, so we must be made of star stuff".

That isn't dumbing down. That is mind numbingly dumb.
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Are you actually debating this? What alternative is there? Are we all magical stuff god dreamed into being?
 
DocSavage said:
Are you actually debating this? What alternative is there? Are we all magical stuff god dreamed into being?
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Most people seem to accept that in one way or another.

Spaghetti may have been involved in the far past.
 
DukenukemX said:
Speak for yourself. I plan to be alive and healthy in 1000 years.

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If that were to ever happen you would have to castrate almost everyone because the planet would not be able to sustain our population living that long.

then it will come to only the select few can breed mostly the elite and wealthy people. We have bigger problems to deal with right now that isn't and shouldn't be a priority.

I would rather see us being able to regrow limbs and teeth and curing cancer and other diseases being a far more productive use of our time then the above.
 
Malthusianists, ladies and gentlemen.

We aren't going anywhere meaningful until we figure out how to integrate both accepted "classical" physics and "modern" physics into a meta-framework that can speak for both the micro and macro.

Relevant points: The distances out in space, the fact our understanding of science at this point tells us that we can't travel faster than light, and that wormholes can theoretically exist.
 
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I'm sure he meant 100 years, but probably closer to 10. Then I would agree. Humans have gone full retard, never go full retard.
 
I think AK0tA doesn't have it correct.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-microbes-helped-clean-bp-s-oil-spill/

Ocean currents, in addition to keeping the spilled oil offshore, spurred microbial activity amidst the oil spill. That continuous mixing of the water allowed a bacterial bloom to turn millions of barrels of oil into an estimated 100 sextillion microbial cells of ethane-consuming Colwellia, aromatic-eating Cycloclasticus, alkane-eating Oceanospirillales, oil-eating Alcanovorax, methane-loving Methylococcaceae and other species, including at least one previously unknown to science.
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Colwellia = Colwellia is a genus of deep-sea psychrophilic, piezophilic, and facultative anaerobic bacteria from the family Colwelliaceae.[1][2][3][4][5] Colwellia grows at a temperatur at −20 °C by producing cryoprotective polmeric substances.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colwellia

Cycloclasticus = The genus contains a single species,[2] namely C. pugetii ( Dyksterhouse et al. 1995, (Type species of the genus).; New Latin genitive case masculine gender noun pugetii, of Puget, named in honor of Peter Puget, a British naval officer who participated in the Vancouver Expedition and for whom Puget Sound was named
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycloclasticus

Oceanospirillales =
The Oceanospirillales are an order of Proteobacteria, with seven families. Most species of this order are halotolerant or halophilic.
One strain of Oceanospirillales is an endosymbiont of the Osedax worms. They are not present in Osedax oocytes so they are later acquired.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanospirillales

Alcanovorax = Alcanivorax borkumensis is an alkane-degrading marine bacterium which naturally propagates and becomes predominant in crude-oil-containing seawater when nitrogen and phosphorus nutrients are supplemented. They are currently thought to be the world's most important oil-degrading organisms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcanivorax


Methylococcaceae = The Methylococcaceae are a family of bacteria that obtain their carbon and energy from methane, called methanotrophs................Some species of the Methylococcaceae have formed with certain marine mussels endosymbiotic relationships.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylococcaceae

And need we even discuss further the "one previously unknown to science"

These microbes may have been introduced in great numbers by man and they may even be "harvested" by man, but they are all naturally developed species and not bio-engineered organisms.
 
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