Rumor: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti with 10GB memory

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Rumor: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti with 10GB memory.
http://videocardz.com/64303/rumor-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-with-10gb-memory

TITAN X Pascal product number is 699-1G611-0000-000, which means PG611 SKU 00. The new product from this shipping manifest is PG611 SKU 10 (699-1G611-0010-000). So in other words, this has to be a new card, unless someone made multiple mistakes, which is unlikely.
 
Palladium@SG said:
NV doesn't even bother to wait for Vega to show up, lol.
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I'd say that this is the first shot at VEGA. Have this working perfectly before VEGA launches. Wait for AMD to announce a street date for their high end cards as they are seemingly required to do for their investors. Drop the GTX 1080ti with full Titan X performance two weeks before to take all of the wind out of AMD's sails. Lower the GTX 1080 to whatever price bracket that AMD is targeting as AMD NEVER goes after the Titan X from each generation. Sure a couple of the Titan X crowd will sob, but they have the money to blow anyways. They don't care there is a new card. They would upgrade if it was 5% faster.

Nvidia already knows everything about VEGA down to the arrangement of the transistors. Anyone with half a brain can see this with the last few AMD launches. Just repeat what has worked for years. All Nvidia needs to do is make sure that they own the highest spec card on the planet, and everyone will make the assumption that the entire product lineup is faster than AMD's regardless of what a benchmark or review says.

Corporations are a ruthless, headless beast without a conscious. :) It's always fun to see how the cat and mouse games play out.
 
Palladium@SG said:
NV doesn't even bother to wait for Vega to show up, lol.
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Of course not. Just as Intel doesn't wait for AMD either. They still need to keep the installed base upgrading. Whatever AMD does is completely irrelevant as such.
 
Shintai said:
Of course not. Just as Intel doesn't wait for AMD either. They still need to keep the installed base upgrading. Whatever AMD does is completely irrelevant as such.
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Yeah and the speed Nvidia is rolling out Pascal models to me suggests Volta is on schedule for 2H 2017, for high end at least with Tesla launch (select clients only) and maybe couple of models for retail gaming early 2nd half 2017.
I really do not get some of the more recent reports thinking 2018 based upon no actual news apart from some incredibly unreliable sources that was originally based upon Volta being 10nm.
Nvidia this time round jumped straight to the largest die possible.
Cheers
 
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I wonder what are the chances of this beast being under $700? If it's more than that, forget about it, i'll wait for Volta... I assume this thing is identical to Titan (performance-wise) minus 2 gigs of VRAM right?
 
GibsonEX said:
I wonder what are the chances of this beast being under $700? If it's more than that, forget about it, i'll wait for Volta... I assume this thing is identical to Titan (performance-wise) minus 2 gigs of VRAM right?
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Budwise said:
Probably pretty unlikely.
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Every other enthusiast Ti card was $650-$700, why wouldn't the next card be? If nvidia charges more than that then they are being greedy as F*ck. If that's the case wait for AMD Vega and see the price war begin. I'm so sick of nvdia being like Intel and charging through the roof.
 
If they charge that much for it. I will not buy it and I don't believe anyone else will really. It will be better than 1080 obviously but not $400 better. I think 1080 should get a slight price drop and have the 1080ti sit at the $650-700 price. If nvidia becomes greedy and charged that much I will say F U Nvidia and go Vega 11
 
Dutt1113 said:
If they charge that much for it. I will not buy it and I don't believe anyone else will really. It will be better than 1080 obviously but not $400 better. I think 1080 should get a slight price drop and have the 1080ti sit at the $650-700 price. If nvidia becomes greedy and charged that much I will say F U Nvidia and go Vega 11
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If AMD had no competition do you really think they would sell products much cheaper than Nvidia if they had same performance?
Worth noting even with minimal competition Nvidia's gross margins have only increased by 3% compared to last year, and one could say the AMD 3xx models were at least in the market as a consideration last year, now there is only the 480 (that has strong competition from Nvidia) and 470 for now.

I do not think one can blame Nvidia for the current pricing s they have to behave like a business that is heavily involved in R&D and manufacturing, but you could blame them if they held back on performance (and so far they have not).
Now that is what it seems Intel does with its marginal 5-10% increases and trying to claw back money on Broadwell when it should had been sidelined.
We should be seeing Skylake Enthusiasts now not later next year, and Kaby Lake should had been a little while ago for higher desktop models.
I appreciate this POV does not agree with everyone though, and can be based upon whether one is wearing a consumer or business-logistics-investor hat.

Also worth noting that even with higher price from Nvidia (need to consider as well the gross margin reports of around 3%), the same % as before is pumped back into R&D by Nvidia, so it is being put to use.
Cheers
 
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Dutt1113 said:
If they charge that much for it. I will not buy it and I don't believe anyone else will really. It will be better than 1080 obviously but not $400 better. I think 1080 should get a slight price drop and have the 1080ti sit at the $650-700 price. If nvidia becomes greedy and charged that much I will say F U Nvidia and go Vega 11
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I mean, you should be glad that they haven't decided to charge titan z level prices yet, $2000 for a X80, $4000 for a X80ti, and well uh, you get the point...
 
Shintai said:
320bit.

I could see a refresh line as:
GP102
Titan Black 24GB
2080TI 12GB
2080 10GB

GP104
2070 8GB
2060TI 8GB

And so on. Small changes here and there.
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The manifest the OP link shows 384-bit.
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320-bit, or it's simply an artificial limitation via drivers but still 384-bit.
 
Wine said:
256bit + 128bit
8GB + 2GB

970 all over again. :V
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Or it could just be an 8800GTS 640. I don't recall that causing people problems.

We'll see if they repeat Maxwell's strange split memory bus, but I expect they won't.
 
whateverer said:
Or it could just be an 8800GTS 640. I don't recall that causing people problems.

We'll see if they repeat Maxwell's strange split memory bus, but I expect they won't.
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The 8800GTS 640MB had a 320-bit bus...
 
Armenius said:
The 8800GTS 640MB had a 320-bit bus...
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And if this thing has 10GB ram, so does it. The regular Titan P is 12GB with 384-bit bus.

8800 GTS was a cut G80, which cut the 384-bit bus down to 320-bit, the first time I'd seen such a thing. Nobody complained about not being able to use all the memory, so it certainly wasn't the issues we saw with the 970. Why can't they get things right again this time around?
 
Problem with 970 was that it wasn't 256 bit, but configured with a memory xbar that could exclusively access 224 or 32, but not at the same time. A properly configured 320-bit part would operate as expected, and one would reasonably expect that on a 1080Ti part that's probably pushing towards $1k this round ... otherwise it's a 1080 + more cores, if 256 + 64 in exclusive xbar mode.
 
if nvidia is smart, which i think they are, they will have configured the "1080 ti" in a similar way that they did with the 660 ti and 550 ti if it does have 10gb of ram, and hopefully be a bit more transparent this time than with the 970.
 
thebirdybird said:
if nvidia is smart, which i think they are, they will have configured the "1080 ti" in a similar way that they did with the 660 ti and 550 ti if it does have 10gb of ram, and hopefully be a bit more transparent this time than with the 970.
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You are not making any sense. If the 1080 TI is a 10 gig card and set up the same way as those cards then that means it would have much less than 10 that is running at full speed. If it really does have 10 gigs then it will probably have a 320 bit bus therefore nothing wonky at all.
 
except that claim doesn't hold true when the shipping product states it as 384 bit. do you really think the shipping product would lie?

edit: now this is interesting.

PG611 SKU0030 GPU / 384-BIT 12288MB GDDR COMPUTER GRAPHICS CARDS, 699-1G611-0030-300

The 1080 Ti is guaranteed to be one of the two models. The only questions are, which one is it? And what to make of the other one?
 
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thebirdybird said:
except that claim doesn't hold true when the shipping product states it as 384 bit. do you really think the shipping product would lie?

edit: now this is interesting.

PG611 SKU0030 GPU / 384-BIT 12288MB GDDR COMPUTER GRAPHICS CARDS, 699-1G611-0030-300

The 1080 Ti is guaranteed to be one of the two models. The only questions are, which one is it? And what to make of the other one?
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Typos can happen. Not to mention the person typing in these manifests may not have any technical knowledge.
 
xorbe said:
Problem with 970 was that it wasn't 256 bit, but configured with a memory xbar that could exclusively access 224 or 32, but not at the same time. A properly configured 320-bit part would operate as expected, and one would reasonably expect that on a 1080Ti part that's probably pushing towards $1k this round ... otherwise it's a 1080 + more cores, if 256 + 64 in exclusive xbar mode.
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It was 256bit. The key word is ROP count where it went wrong.
 
Shintai said:
It was 256bit. The key word is ROP count where it went wrong.
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Yeah most forget that physically the 970 and 980 have identical memory configurations resulting in a 256-bit bus, this is probably why most reviewers missed the issue with the 970 structure logically and how SM/ROPs to memory controller is what changed.

Cheers
 
If it's a 10GB + 384 bit bus I suspect it will be like the Titan XP with 12 GDDR5 chips except 4 of them will be downgraded from 1GB to 512MB for 10GB total.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
GDDR5? 10 GB? What is this cheap shit.
AMD is using HBM ffs and Nvidia is going backwards.
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AMD is still to release a card with HBM2.
4GB HBM does not really count these days.

Not defending the spec but it is too early to say what is happening or why.

Cheers
 
interdasting, lettuce be real here, we already have a 1080ti and its the Titan X I am thinking Nvidia wants to create a Titan Super series
 
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when does step up usually start on new cards? I think I have until like February 5th or something to step up my 1080 hybrid
 
Phlorge said:
when does step up usually start on new cards? I think I have until like February 5th or something to step up my 1080 hybrid
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A little early to be thinking about a stepup when the card hasn't even been announced yet, don't you think?
 
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