A lot of the stuff Trump went on and on about he doesn't even have the power to do and a good portion of the party he pretends to be part of hates him. He can't overturn SCOTUS decisions, he can't make laws, and he can't alter or revoke amendments. The president has very little real power. He'll be forced to negotiate with Congress or face the same resistance that Obama did.
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Hyperloop Co-Founder 'Very Serious' About California Secession
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A lot of the stuff Trump went on and on about he doesn't even have the power to do and a good portion of the party he pretends to be part of hates him. He can't overturn SCOTUS decisions, he can't make laws, and he can't alter or revoke amendments. The president has very little real power. He'll be forced to negotiate with Congress or face the same resistance that Obama did.
Good, get by without the water rights on the colorado river. Agriculture and industry use a lot of water, and the fact your ports serve a much larger population than the state. Secession would not result in things operating as they currently are, and that economy might not be as large as you think.
Shervin Pishevar was born in Tehran, Iran, the son of Abraham Pishevar, a television and radio executive, and Eshrat (Kordary) Pishevar. Abraham Pishevar moved to the United States after he was placed on Ayatollah Khomeini’s execution list for broadcasting instructions on leaving Iran for foreign nationals.
In April 2016, a fundraising event to benefit Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign was hosted by George and Amal Clooney at Pishevar's home. He was a top fundraiser for both of Obama's presidential campaigns.
Bah who cares...
Trump with all his "I am the rebel" will soon turn into another non productive president (but with a big mouth) and if anything create an ever more financial divide in this country. For all the "white trash" that supposedly voted for him they will all be worse off but hey, whoever made the bed gets to lie in it. I am on the benefiting side of all this so...
With regards to calexit, will never happen. As previously stated we don't have the financials or the needed infrastructure for it. If however the state gets the water and energy problems fixed the rest is probably manageable but until then...
Trump with all his "I am the rebel" will soon turn into another non productive president (but with a big mouth) and if anything create an ever more financial divide in this country. For all the "white trash" that supposedly voted for him they will all be worse off but hey, whoever made the bed gets to lie in it. I am on the benefiting side of all this so...
With regards to calexit, will never happen. As previously stated we don't have the financials or the needed infrastructure for it. If however the state gets the water and energy problems fixed the rest is probably manageable but until then...
... I just want to know why this was "crazy talk" when Texas talked about it but it is "very serious" (and even has a name already) when California talks about it.
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Simple
if it's your own words = very serious
someone else's = crazy talk
BooYaa! NCR !
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Of course the left mocked those who wanted the same for red states. The left wants to leave people of means with nowhere left to flee with their tax dollars. But now that the worm has turned, I guess they see no other option, since the whole nation will now be a safer place for people's wallets.
A split is coming; it's inevitable. Each side is getting ever more angry with the other, and it will eventually reach a point where one side must be forcibly subjugated into compliance with a government they feel opposes their interests. I prefer we go our separate ways peacefully before that happens.
A split is coming; it's inevitable. Each side is getting ever more angry with the other, and it will eventually reach a point where one side must be forcibly subjugated into compliance with a government they feel opposes their interests. I prefer we go our separate ways peacefully before that happens.
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Same from us here in Washington, really tired of Californians! And I used to be von!
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Somewhat easy solution. More States rights.
Who cares about the Colorado. Desalinization plants and pave the Mojave with solar panels ('cuz ya know nukes are a no go). The ports serve 1/2 the country. Good luck distributing everything from PDX or SEA. Freight crossing borders ain't nothin new. Example: Mexico
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I want to get rid of currency also. Go back to barter trading.
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No, that's an old misconception. Texas has no special rights with regard to secession from the federal government. They did include the possibility of eventually dividing Texas up into smaller states as part of the annexation.
Exactly. While the President can do certain things with executive orders, there are limits to what the President is allowed to do by law. I think the biggest danger is who a given President appoints to various positions. The other danger is the type of crap that a given President might actually sign into law such as the "Affordable Health Care Act" which drove the price of health care through the roof. I'm just happy to see someone going into office that isn't a Clinton or a Bush and who isn't a career politician. Granted Obama wasn't a Clinton or Bush either and despite my disdain for his administration I think the trend of having leadership that isn't from the same fucking families over and over again is a good thing.
I have concerns about Trump as President like anyone else and simply felt that he was the lesser of two evils. I think most of what Trump said during his campaign was sensationalism designed to get free media coverage above all else. Trump is a businessman first and foremost. For him there wasn't any such thing as bad publicity.
Executive orders are still a concern, despite the fact that such orders can be struck down. Unfortunately, some of the executive orders of past presidents are precisely the type of bullshit that made me want anyone but Hilary in office. Bill Clinton reclassified the USAS-12 and Striker-12 / DAO-12 (and variants) shotguns as destructive devices, giving into fear mongering. Given that Hilary probably used to scissor with the likes of Sarah Brady, I'd be afraid of her pulling the same shit. That bonehead executive order persists to this day as law, regulating those two guns as NFA devices for no good reason. If the anti-gun crowd actually knew anything about firearms they would want all criminals to be outfitted with DAO-12's over other shotguns because of how shitty they are and due to how long they take to load.
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Racist huh? You know him personally? Has the ACLU brought a court case against him? 1.6 billion people?? Are you NUTS? We can't support the unfettered immigration as it is!
Illegal or not eh? How about just illegal, and stop the cartels from pushing a trillion dollars of drugs over it.
You mark my words and watch, the only people kicked out of this country will be criminals. Not that all illegals aren't "criminals" in one sense. But that is NOT what he was talking out, at all. And he never once branded ALL immigrants rapists and drug dealers, MSN and CNN did. You guys are your apocalyptic projections are ridiculous. Maybe stop buying in to the freaking main stream media you sheep.
I'm not sure it is possible to be any more butt hurt. This is like upper echelon, 1%er kind of butt hurt.
Cry me a river. The union as a whole is stronger than one bad president. And trust me, nobody "won" this last election, it wasn't even possible. The American people lost as a whole no matter what the outcome was.
Their biggest problem is that to secede they would have to start making better movies being their only export. So, maybe it is win/win?
Cry me a river. The union as a whole is stronger than one bad president. And trust me, nobody "won" this last election, it wasn't even possible. The American people lost as a whole no matter what the outcome was.
Their biggest problem is that to secede they would have to start making better movies being their only export. So, maybe it is win/win?
I hate talking about anything political but, when you have the co-founder of Hyperloop saying he is very serious about funding a legitimate campaign for California to become its own nation, its going to make news. I just want to know why this was "crazy talk" when Texas talked about it but it is "very serious" (and even has a name already) when California talks about it.
In the wake of the election result, Hyperloop co-founder Shervin Pishevar (pictured, right) began tweeting about his desire to see California secede from the United States. Naturally, it was dismissed as emotions running high after the highly divisive campaign, but Pishevar isn't backing down. At the Web Summit conference today, the billionaire was asked if he was serious about "Calexit*," to which he said that he was "very serious." He added that there would be "announcements" about his plans to implement the program coming in the near future.
Well, because Texas is the only State in the nation that retained the legal right to seceded from the Union.
I'm all for immigration. We are all descended from immigrants after all. What I don't like is immigrants who do not come into this country legally and properly who have no desire to assimilate. I'm all for the illegals finding and doing much of the work that they do. These are necessary jobs that most white people won't do at all, much less as cheaply. That said, much of what the INS deports are actually criminals who the authorities are only aware of because they were caught doing something illegal by law enforcement. Those fuckers aren't people we want or need in this country.
I think we need immigration reform given that our current system doesn't work very well and seems to punish people who use it properly.
I think we need immigration reform given that our current system doesn't work very well and seems to punish people who use it properly.
Besides, it's Japan and China that own Cali anyway so they better check this out with their real owners first.
Didn't Texas try their own country thing before?
The other Hyperloop guy (Musk) just want to get off the planet already.
It's not the same. First, it's legal for Texas to secede, second, Texas can support itself but Cali can't.
Try it? Texas was it's own country until Texas decided to join the Union.
I was in a working group that made the local News for our paper on this exact issue. It was my second Poli-Sci class at Texas Tech back in 1980.
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Both are false.
It has been ruled by the Supreme Court that secession is unconstitutional and illegal. See Texas v. White.
Basically, the second Texas joined the union, the right to legally secede was forever revoked. It doesn't mean they can't illegally secede through force, and I would put Texas' chances a bit higher than California's.Supreme Court Justice Salmon P. Chase in 1869 said:
As far as California is concerned...
California could support itself financially. Now whether or not they would be willing to make the changes to pull that off is a whole other story. The possibility is there. Their GDP is the sixth largest in the world. By itself it makes more GDP than Canada or Russia and its nearly on par with China.
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Texas does not have the right to secede, they have the right to divide into smaller states.
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Both are false.
It has been ruled by the Supreme Court that secession is unconstitutional and illegal. See Texas v. White.
Basically, the second Texas joined the union, the right to legally secede was forever revoked. It doesn't mean they can't illegally secede through force, and I would put Texas' chances a bit higher than California's.
As far as California is concerned...
California could support itself financially. Now whether or not they would be willing to make the changes to pull that off is a whole other story. The possibility is there.
Are you saying texas' guns and oil is a stronger force than cali's protest signs and online petitions?
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I...what? The Iran they fled, the Islamic Republic of Iran still exists. The same type of government that Shervin Pishevar's father (Abraham Pishevar) fled to the U.S for still exists.
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So I'm correct is what your saying.
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That's a perfect description. They destroy then move on to greener pastures. Then proceed to destroy again. All the while completely oblivious to why the destruction is happening.
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Lol. Basically, yes.
However, I believe it has a lot to do with culture and will of the people. That sort of thing has been a part of the Texas mindset since Day 1. California? Not so much.
yea, ain't gonna happen.
In fact, they tried this a few years ago and a few years before that. (I still remember the hysteria/butthurt over the 2000 Election)
I'm a Californian and in the Bay Area.
I hold that this bitter pill is a necessary pill for America.
seriously, it's time to let the heals behind and we, united can work to make America even better.
In fact, they tried this a few years ago and a few years before that. (I still remember the hysteria/butthurt over the 2000 Election)
I'm a Californian and in the Bay Area.
I hold that this bitter pill is a necessary pill for America.
seriously, it's time to let the heals behind and we, united can work to make America even better.
Let's see --- They do have the biggest economy and most people in the US. They don't have nearly enough electricity or water to support themselves. They have a high debt problem and their social structure cost is very high. Their education system is ranked number # 40 (out of 50 - - Texas is ranked 21 by comparison). They do grow a huge amount of the fruits and vegetables in this country. They also have some of the largest ports around.
Overall there's plusses and minuses. Personally, I say good-riddance. We can shut down the water at the Arizona border and charge them a boat-load for the electricity they need. Then we could just irrigate Arizona and grow all the crops we needed. Heck, a lot of the farmland in California is desert. We have plenty more of that in the southwest US.
And when they impose taxes on 'imports' on items heading to the US through those large ports?
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Works for me.
No, Texas has the right to secede per the Texas State Constitution. According to the Supreme Court of the United States it does not. But face it, if Texans decide to leave they will be looking to their own constitution first and not that of the United States.
And to those who think the federal tanks would roll into Texas to settle the issue one must consider that two things. First, that it's Texas citizens who make up about 20% of the total military strength of the US Armed Forces. And second, that the home of the largest formation of Heavy Armored units is ..... Fort Hood Texas, the III Armored Corps. So who is it that has the tanks to start with?
Both are false.
It has been ruled by the Supreme Court that secession is unconstitutional and illegal. See Texas v. White.
Basically, the second Texas joined the union, the right to legally secede was forever revoked. It doesn't mean they can't illegally secede through force, and I would put Texas' chances a bit higher than California's.
As far as California is concerned...
California could support itself financially. Now whether or not they would be willing to make the changes to pull that off is a whole other story. The possibility is there. Their GDP is the sixth largest in the world. By itself it makes more GDP than Canada or Russia and its nearly on par with China.
No, Texas has the right to secede per the Texas State Constitution. According to the Supreme Court of the United States it does not. But face it, if Texans decide to leave they will be looking to their own constitution first and not that of the United States.
And to those who think the federal tanks would roll into Texas to settle the issue one must consider that two things. First, that it's Texas citizens who make up about 20% of the total military strength of the US Armed Forces. And second, that the home of the largest formation of Heavy Armored units is ..... Fort Hood Texas, the III Armored Corps. So who is it that has the tanks to start with?
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No, that's a myth. Nothing in the Texas constitution supports a 'right' to secede and it never has. Texas has the right to divide itself into up to four additional states per its annexation agreement. That would be an interesting situation as it would presumably create additional solidly-conservative states, but it's not secession.
No state has a right to secede, human beings have a natural right to revolt and replace their government if it becomes oppressive. Better make sure you're capable of winning though.
Just like the myth they teach as to why Texas entered the civil war. One can easily read the truth, in the words of the wealthy land owner secessionists. No ambiguity. Further reading will highlight how the duely elected state government was circumvented by a self appointed body of land owners who seceded the state and ran Texan hero Sam Huston out of office.
Texas history is mandatory every year of grade school education in the state. I'm not sure what they really do with that class time though.
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No they are not, though it is commonly repeated they have a surplus, this only holds true when speaking about cash they HAVE to spend year to year, but does not account for ANY of their on going expenses. It is much like me making 8,000 a week, picking up another car and my total expenses are $7,000 yet I am claiming a surplus when I really just took on $40,000 in new expenses. Cali also gets almost a 1:1 ratio back from paid in fed taxes, they pay in ever so slightly more than they get back, not enough to even be a drop in the bucket to the current debt or the growing debt from its growing unfunded liabilities from retiree and heath care costs, which those alone are expected to grow another 300 billion before the next generation retires. So yes, go on how the state will be able to fund it self, pay off current debt etc etc, all the while getting more and more in debt each year.
There is not a single state that (with its current budget) would be able to keep it self going without the fed helping to support it with money printing. Texans like to claim this same story, but it is just not the case. They would need major budget changes, and would have to find a way to fund or go without a military. As national guard is funded by the fed, and most state defense forces (assume the state even has one), are often not funded at all and members are unpaid and have to supply their own gear etc etc.