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According to this news story, Turkey has blocked WhatsApp, Facebook, and Twitter. Since then, workplace productivity has went up 800%, reports of celebrity deaths has declined almost 300% and it was all made possible by using this one weird trick. ;)

According to Turkey Blocks, WhatsApp, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube are now on the block list, with either outright bans or connection throttling taking place. While Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are often blocked in the country, the Turkish censorship and internet monitoring group says that WhatsApp and Instagram restrictions have now also been detected.
 
The main reason for Ottoman Empire's eventual fall was not keeping up with the advancements of rest of the western world. If Turkey wants to relaunch that Empire again as they apparently seem with these drastic dictatorial cleanups and religious focus, they're probably not gonna achieve that by dumbing all down and angering everyone.
 
A right wing strong man is the only way forward. We need totalitarianism to keep us safe from oppression!
 
But with Thanksgivings fast approaching, how does this affect family gatherings?
 
Well everything that is not pro Erdogan is considered dangerous for the people decided for them by their government.
 
auntjemima said:
Uhhh... Canada celebrates Thanksgiving as well.
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they have a day called thanksgiving but not the same as in the USA. It is the second Monday in Oct so their thanksgiving was Oct 8th 2016. The one in a few weeks is a USA only holiday
 
JosiahBradley said:
And apparently no one outside North America gives a damn about freedom.
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Yes, because the world only consists of USA and Turkey. Damn I hate the American "We're the greatest country" attitude. Nowhere else are people so smug and uptight about their country as in the US. Kind of ironic since most of you are from immigrant families.
 
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M76 said:
Yes, because the world only consists of USA and Turkey. Damn I hate the American "We're the greatest country" attitude. Nowhere else are people so smug and uptight about their country as in the US. Kind of ironic since most of you are from immigrant families.
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It's not just an attitude if it's true. Prove wherever you're from is better if you're going to hate on the US. History so far stands behind my argument. We don't face religious persecution, we are allowed to speak against government, we don't have CCTV cameras everywhere, our economy is strong with lots of middle class, our food is from every corner of the earth as is our population and we are proud of our diversity where other cultures kill each other and segregate. If you want the best of every country you only have one option. So call me smug all you want, I'm free as fuck to enjoy it.
 
JosiahBradley said:
It's not just an attitude if it's true. Prove wherever you're from is better if you're going to hate on the US. History so far stands behind my argument. We don't face religious persecution, we are allowed to speak against government, we don't have CCTV cameras everywhere, our economy is strong with lots of middle class, our food is from every corner of the earth as is our population and we are proud of our diversity where other cultures kill each other and segregate. If you want the best of every country you only have one option. So call me smug all you want, I'm free as fuck to enjoy it.
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The scandinavian countries say "hi".
 
JosiahBradley said:
And apparently no one outside North America gives a damn about freedom.
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JosiahBradley said:
It's not just an attitude if it's true. Prove wherever you're from is better if you're going to hate on the US. History so far stands behind my argument. We don't face religious persecution, we are allowed to speak against government, we don't have CCTV cameras everywhere, our economy is strong with lots of middle class, our food is from every corner of the earth as is our population and we are proud of our diversity where other cultures kill each other and segregate. If you want the best of every country you only have one option. So call me smug all you want, I'm free as fuck to enjoy it.
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Somebody really needs to do some studying and learning and stop spouting bullshit. Also, population statistics on crime, life expectancy, health and social insurances, etc.

Once you factor all of those you will see that the USA isn't "the end of all".
 
JosiahBradley said:
It's not just an attitude if it's true. Prove wherever you're from is better if you're going to hate on the US. History so far stands behind my argument. We don't face religious persecution, we are allowed to speak against government, we don't have CCTV cameras everywhere, our economy is strong with lots of middle class, our food is from every corner of the earth as is our population and we are proud of our diversity where other cultures kill each other and segregate. If you want the best of every country you only have one option. So call me smug all you want, I'm free as fuck to enjoy it.
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Please stop, you're gonna cause me heart attack due to laughing too hard.
 
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So what's the point of a free society if people negate that freedom with their chosen religion? It should be freedom *from* religion and not freedom of religion.
 
You guys made epic defenses without mentioning anything. And I'm the ignorant one? I at least compiled a short list.

I like how this started as a silly pun and escalated to angry people from other countries getting all sad about someone enjoying freedom. I don't have to live in pathetic Turkey where there is no freedom. I don't have to live in Europe under socialism, I don't have to live in Africa under constant war, I don't have to live in Asia under overpopulation, religious oppression, poverty, etc. I don't have to live in Australia under censorship. I don't have to live in South America in collapsing economies and violence. I never said the US was perfect but as a combination of ideas it destroys all other countries.
 
rezerekted said:
So what's the point of a free society if people negate that freedom with their chosen religion? It should be freedom *from* religion and not freedom of religion.
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Historically religion has been used as the "reason" to have society. Meaning, you follow the rules of society because there is a greater force that holds you accountable. The concept of society is a very fragile construct. Science has no basis for right or wrong. As far as science is concerned, there is no answer to what is rape or murder or stealing or lieing. If you get rid of traditional religion that has a deity, you will end up with something that is the same idea, just a different overseeing power.

You can argue that laws are what keep society together, but laws are meant to deal with those that get caught. If you know that you won't get caught, or that the punishment for a certain crime does not outway the benefits of the crime then what is to stop you from doing it? Hanging eternal damnation over people was pretty effective in getting the populace to self regulate (even if they went extreme with it). The child and Santa Clause is a good example (EDIT: of self regulation, not extreme example).

Humans are also discriminatory by nature. We like to belong to something, and we rationalize that our "something" is better then the other persons something. We are successfully making religion and nationalism 4 letter words. What groups will people self align with after that? And do not try to convince yourself that people won't align themselves.

I understand the dislike for the old ways, but you have to consider what those structures were used for and whether or not their is a valid replacement for them.
 
JosiahBradley said:
You guys made epic defenses without mentioning anything. And I'm the ignorant one? I at least compiled a short list.

I like how this started as a silly pun and escalated to angry people from other countries getting all sad about someone enjoying freedom. I don't have to live in pathetic Turkey where there is no freedom. I don't have to live in Europe under socialism, I don't have to live in Africa under constant war, I don't have to live in Asia under overpopulation, religious oppression, poverty, etc. I don't have to live in Australia under censorship. I don't have to live in South America in collapsing economies and violence. I never said the US was perfect but as a combination of ideas it destroys all other countries.
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LOL! that's the most stupid post I've read this year haha thanks for that
 
Bandalo said:
So how should NATO respond when a member state becomes a dictatorship?
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Turkey should be removed from NATO, hell they should never have been allowed entry in the first place not only because they are a 99% muslim country but they are in Asia minor and Not Europe.
 
ep0x73 said:
Turkey should be removed from NATO, hell they should never have been allowed entry in the first place not only because they are a 99% muslim country but they are in Asia minor and Not Europe.
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NATO is not automatically tied to Europe, it's not EU. And the bit about muslims is just racist nonsense.
 
JosiahBradley said:
You guys made epic defenses without mentioning anything. And I'm the ignorant one? I at least compiled a short list.

I like how this started as a silly pun and escalated to angry people from other countries getting all sad about someone enjoying freedom. I don't have to live in pathetic Turkey where there is no freedom. I don't have to live in Europe under socialism, I don't have to live in Africa under constant war, I don't have to live in Asia under overpopulation, religious oppression, poverty, etc. I don't have to live in Australia under censorship. I don't have to live in South America in collapsing economies and violence. I never said the US was perfect but as a combination of ideas it destroys all other countries.
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We don't need to defend anything. Anyone with even basic knowledge of world economics will only laugh at the things you listed.

You can enjoy your freedom to be ignorant. But I urge you to reconsider, there are plenty of great places around the world, if you'd only open your eyes to it, and not tow the age old line (or lie?) fed to you that you live in the greatest country ever.
 
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ep0x73 said:
Turkey should be removed from NATO, hell they should never have been allowed entry in the first place not only because they are a 99% muslim country but they are in Asia minor and Not Europe.
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Only a fraction of people in Turkey are devoted muslims. The rest hate the regime as much as the next guy. The unrest isn't happening because they so love their leader. When I was in Turkey I saw both the religious fanatics, and the rest of the people trying to get by. I talked to one of them who even apologized for some of their countryman being the way they are. And that was before the shit got stacked as high as it is today. So you can believe me when I'm telling you most of the Turks would be happy to get rid of their dictatorship.
 
Is that right? He's reducing every fucking place to just one thing, and one thing only. That is stupid.

So go ahead mark that as a classic instead.

How about this, "I don't have to live in a place where they murder their own citizens."

Would you say that is a fair assessment of the US? Didn't think so
 
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I've long had a list of countries I've yet to visit and desperately want to before I die:

- Ireland
- Greece
- Italy
- Canada
- United States
- Japan
- Australia

BY FAR the one I'm most cautious security wise is the US.
 
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Zuul said:
Is that right? He's reducing every fucking place to just one thing, and one thing only. That is stupid.

So go ahead mark that as a classic instead.

How about this, "I don't have to live in a place where they murder their own citizens."

Would you say that is a fair assessment of the US? Didn't think so
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Are you referring to the death penalty in America? As in I wouldn't want to live in a country that supports......
 
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Mistral said:
I've long had a list of countries I've yet to visit and desperately want to before I die:

- Ireland
- Greece
- Italy
- Canada
- United States
- Japan
- Australia

BY FAR the one I'm most cautious security wise is the US.
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What is it exactly that you are afraid of? Your cell phone being tracked, being shot, body scanner at airport?
 
Turkey is a bit of a conundrum as far as world wide politics these days it seems.

The XO in the USMC Air Squadron was of Turkish origin and the CO was stationed there later, not that that makes me an expert by any stretch, but I try to stay up on world affairs.

They seem to be migrating a bit towards a Saudi Arabia mindset to me, I think the US has moved a few things out of Turkey these days.

Both seem to be police states to a certain degree, and the US is slowly evolving along those lines to a bit of a radical police state these days it seems, to be honest.

That might be overstating things atm, but the future is looking a bit grim.
 
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Mistral said:
NATO is not automatically tied to Europe, it's not EU. And the bit about muslims is just racist nonsense.
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Um, North Atlantic Alliance, what part of Turkey is that?


Racist because they are 99.9% muslim and the other .1% have not been executed yet don't you seem to grasp?

History, read up about it because Turkey was the seat of the Ottoman empire and have said many times recently they want to be again.
 
ep0x73 said:
Um, North Atlantic Alliance, what part of Turkey is that?


Racist because they are 99.9% muslim and the other .1% have not been executed yet don't you seem to grasp?

History, read up about it because Turkey was the seat of the Ottoman empire and have said many times recently they want to be again.
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The North Atlantic Alliance, it's just a set of words, not tied to the land area. They could have called it the Anti-Soviet European Barrier Line if they wanted something less politically correct. But in any case, even if it was tied to some sort of artificial land area, Turkey is technically still part of the Europe as well as Asia. Just as Russia is also part of both. We shouldn't go to technicalities for no reason. It's obvious why they (US) want it as part of the political boundary.

The second sentence is just as racist as the one before.

And the last line... you do realize I wrote about the Ottoman Empire already on post #3 of this thread. Not entirely serious, of course though, as you seem to be...

Look obviously what the Turkish government is doing is dictatorial nonsense, but I also don't agree with neither west or east in this new political arms race for Cold War 2.
 
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ep0x73 said:
Um, North Atlantic Alliance, what part of Turkey is that?


Racist because they are 99.9% muslim and the other .1% have not been executed yet don't you seem to grasp?

History, read up about it because Turkey was the seat of the Ottoman empire and have said many times recently they want to be again.
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NATO is a "Russia versus the world" agreement. Much like the Warsaw Pact. Let us not kid ourselves that NATO exists for any other reason. Of course Turkey is in there. There is talk of Ukraine being added. We (America) have nuclear weapons at Incirlik airbase in south Turkey. It's about 100 miles further from Moscow that Cuba is from Washington DC (~1260 vs ~1160). We almost went to WW3 over that distance.



EDIT: This was back when Kirby was transitioning in for Psaki. Kirby wasn't quite ready to handle Matt Lee on his own just yet, so Psaki had to jump in at the end and rescue him.
 
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Being the second largest military member of NATO with a 99.8 percent Muslim population has always been a bit of a odd issue, while the airbase there has always been a major item.

Technically they have a Democratically elected Government.

I still did not like the they rolled up to the border in Tanks and watched Kurds getting shelled eating popcorn when Daesh were trying to maul them awhile back.
 
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The really interesting thing is some of the eastern Europe starting to bring conscription back with this new Cold War front, whether or not they're part of the NATO. My country never got rid of it in the first place but thankfully I got through that crap already
 
auntjemima said:
Once again, no reason why his argument is stupid. Classic.
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First off, Europe, Asia, Africa, these are not countries. To my knowledge all countries in Europe are either democracies or monarchies (as in they have a king/queen, but the political power is still handled by democratically elected ministers and parties) But you can correct me by pointing me to a socialist country in Europe. The part of Africa under civil war currently is Libya. And who is to blame for that?

There are places under religious oppression, do you presume to say that all Asian countries are as such? Which is the country that says "under god"? or god bless what country? I call that religious oppression. They even make elected officials swear on a religious book. I don't think the US has any place to talk about religious oppression as long as the most untrustworthy group of people when polling Americans is atheists, ahead of rapists.

And as I see it murica suffers from poverty as well. The 1% getting ever richer, the poor getting ever poorer, and the middle class slowly but steadily slipping into poverty. The American dream becoming just that, a dream.

Sure America has many upsides to many countries. But a lot of bad sides too. Crime rate, gun crime, violence, murder, are much worse in America than in any EU country. Sure it's even worse in Brazil, but that doesn't make America the greatest. In education America is not even in the top tier of countries.

About the only thing in which we can unquestionably declare that America is the greatest is military spending. They don't even have the capability to send men into space anymore. Russia, and China, do. And that doesn't mean those are better countries. But America can't be the be and end all of countries if it clearly lags behind on various things.
 
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