86 Year Old Lady Accused Of Pirating Metro 2033

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I don't care if you are a grandmother or not, stealing is stealing. She even looks like the kind of hard core pirate that would willfully deprive content owners of their hard earned money just because she's too cheap to pay for games. Shame on you granny. Shame on you.

The 86-year-old from Ontario has been warned she could have to pay up to $5,000 for illegally downloading a game she'd never heard of. "I found it quite shocking … I'm 86 years old, no one has access to my computer but me, why would I download a war game?" McMillan told Go Public. In May, she received two emails forwarded by her internet provider. They were from a private company called Canadian Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement (CANIPRE) claiming she had illegally downloaded Metro 2033, a first-person shooter game where nuclear war survivors have to kill mutants.
 
Read the article, it's sick shit. Short version is that it's a shotgun scare tactic being used by a 3rd party company for cash grab. In the US these fucks would be sued and some D.A. would probably have a good case for extortion charges.
 
M76 said:
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Do they know claim that one download caused 5000 in damages to the publisher? Because the one download equals one lost sale equation is already a big stretch.
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No 5000 is the max you can be charged
 
Ignore them. They want to sue, let them try to prove which specific person was infringing.
 
Any list of countries that have already made rulings that IP address does not equate to person?
 
She looks like she's a hardcore gamer. That granny look aint fooling anybody!
 
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Steve said:
I don't care if you are a grandmother or not, stealing is stealing. She even looks like the kind of hard core pirate that would willfully deprive content owners of their hard earned money just because she's too cheap to pay for games. Shame on you granny. Shame on you.

The 86-year-old from Ontario has been warned she could have to pay up to $5,000 for illegally downloading a game she'd never heard of. "I found it quite shocking … I'm 86 years old, no one has access to my computer but me, why would I download a war game?" McMillan told Go Public. In May, she received two emails forwarded by her internet provider. They were from a private company called Canadian Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement (CANIPRE) claiming she had illegally downloaded Metro 2033, a first-person shooter game where nuclear war survivors have to kill mutants.
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Did this lady have an open wifi? I have a nephew that tried to DL GTA 5. I stopped him and told him it's illegal.....can be many reasons.
 
It's called metro 2033 because if you pirate it you'll be in Jail in a major metro until 2033. She really should know better! :LOL:
 
You really know she doesn't know anything about pc gaming. Someone access her computer. Hacked. If she did know what she was doing, she would of used a VPN!!
 
Canadian here. Allow me to apologize for this one...

I used to work in the ISP world dealing with abuse e-mails, policy and legal issues, and intercepting crazy CRTC requests for change on a daily basis, but this one takes the cake: The changes to the Copyright Modernization act was one of the last massive fuck-ups the Harper government managed to squeeze in before the end of their reign. I think it was at the beginning of 2015 when the changes were finalized and the Copyright Notice-and-Notice System legally forced ISPs to forward copyright infringement letters to whoever held the IP address at the time.

The basic idea is that p2p torrents are peer monitored by copyright enforcement firms who then auto-generate e-mails which are sent en mass to ISPs to be sorted and sent to whoever might have been associated with that date-stamped DHCP pool IP address, as if it were a device-hopping postal code. There are legal limitations to what could be included in these e-mails, like settlement demands, but the ISP must provide a system to handle and send them forward regardless of their content. This is often cited as a "loophole", but it's just plain abuse. The copyright firms know they are not going to get punished for making these demands anyway, and I couldn't imagine how much money they have made in these last two years -- and depending on statute of limitations in American Copyright law, n-number of years.

It wasn't even a month into the new legislation before many potentially highly profitable copyright demand e-mail campaigns were launched. By providing links to quick settlement website (where you basically fill out a form, identify yourself, and pay up). So by all means, monitor torrents, filter by Canadian IP pools, and spam the ISP with demand e-mails as much as possible. Hell, sell everything and buy into this, it works!

While I can't stand Canadian politics, and I think Trudeau is dismissing responsibility of the massive shit-show he has inherited by blaming our problems on "the previous government", at least he recognizes how bad it is on a daily basis through this statement. However, there's no clear sky in sight on this particular topic, especially considering how many absolutely broken trade deals are getting signed each month which open the floodgates for more abuse.
 
DiabloRojo said:
Read the article, it's sick shit. Short version is that it's a shotgun scare tactic being used by a 3rd party company for cash grab. In the US these fucks would be sued and some D.A. would probably have a good case for extortion charges.
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In what U.S.? This tactic is common in the states.
 
Spidey329 said:
In what U.S.? This tactic is common in the states.
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not really in the us she would have options like a jury and they could check her pc and the ip would be recognized as dynamic thus not tied to her.
 
Lunas said:
not really in the us she would have options like a jury and they could check her pc and the ip would be recognized as dynamic thus not tied to her.
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Interesting, but how much would that cost? She would get compensation if she won, but one would need to use ones own money before the verdict, including the hassles of the legal system with the risks of losing the case. I'd imagine quite a few people just pay a couple of hundred bucks if that were offered as an alternative (similar to many patent troll techniques against small businesses)
 
emphy said:
Interesting, but how much would that cost? She would get compensation if she won, but one would need to use ones own money before the verdict, including the hassles of the legal system with the risks of losing the case. I'd imagine quite a few people just pay a couple of hundred bucks if that were offered as an alternative (similar to many patent troll techniques against small businesses)
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A case like this would run in the the low to high $10,000....Lawyers need a lot of time to prep for something like this and hiring experts to testify on your behalf. Nothing about this case makes it cheap, thus the reason for smash and grab tactics from so called pirate victims. It is sickening that money is being used against folks with negative consequences. I am pretty sure a lot of innocents have been condemned.
 
Hey that's Kyle's grandma guys. Knock it off. I told him to quit having his grandma send him games but he wouldn't listen.
 
You steal from a corporation.. You have to pay 1000% restitution and go to jail. Corporation gets caught stealing from consumers... They refund 5-10% of the value of what they ripped off, a bunch of lawyers get paid, and they call it a day.
 
emphy said:
Interesting, but how much would that cost? She would get compensation if she won, but one would need to use ones own money before the verdict, including the hassles of the legal system with the risks of losing the case. I'd imagine quite a few people just pay a couple of hundred bucks if that were offered as an alternative (similar to many patent troll techniques against small businesses)
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Well it is generally about 300 for filing anything with the court nowhere near the 5k they want from her and in the us they would likely never let it go to court the riaa and mpaa have had enough black eyes from extorting innocent people. They would likely drag their heels as much as possible she would need to show up for hearings or court if it came to it but it would never get that far as most sue through the ISP here and the ISP will give you a notice and eventually terminate your account. That might be changing but this case would never make it that far here. The lawyers would see her and might try to scare her into an out of court settlement but more likely they would drop it and file it as a mistake.
 
In most countries its already been determined an IP cant be used anywhere. Also demanding cash for a settlement without any evidence or formal legal rights by threats of lawsuits is considered blackmailing and should be reported to the police.
 
Sure Grandma. Whatever you say. I know what you've been doing.

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DiabloRojo said:
Read the article, it's sick shit. Short version is that it's a shotgun scare tactic being used by a 3rd party company for cash grab. In the US these fucks would be sued and some D.A. would probably have a good case for extortion charges.
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I have personally seen something similar. If you do not pay a redlight camera ticket (in Texas at least), you can get a letter from a collection agency. The letter has lots of nasty implications about things that can be done to you. But there are important words like "possibly", "potentially" & "could" used throughout the threatening letter. This is because legally, they can't enforce anything on you, but they use scare tactics to make you think you should pay up.
 
CANIPRE is just an extortion racket.

They try to scare you into paying them a fee to make the larger hypothetical lawsuit disappear.
 
I love this legislation!
I would start a company, create a copyrighted product - a picture of a cat - and create a program that would randomly generate a list of IP addresses from Canadians IP pool and send out milions of spam emails just for the fun of it.
If anyone "caught" me I would just say it's bug in code!

Spamming Canadians is so easy! Thanks Gov!
 
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