iPhone 7 Bursts Into Flames, Destroys Vehicle

rat said:
When you hear horses, you don't assume they're zebras.
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Sometimes they are Dinosaurs

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Galvin said:
He said he left it in the car. Was it a hot day, cars get hot in the sun. But its playing russian roulette with these phones, will you be next to get exploded. Will apple pay medical or insurance bills when your phone explodes?
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He said he left it under a pile of cloths. If you have ever left anything under a pile of clothes in a car, you will find out that the bottom of the pile does not even get warm.

And to top it off, IF an apple iPhone or iPad gets too hot, it will automatically turn off and will not power back on until the temperature gets low enough. Maybe they changed that on the iPhone 7.. but I kinda doubt it.

How do I know this. Chik-Fila grand opening on the hottest day of the year. Not only was it miserable, but we had nothing to watch movies on because it was too hot.
 
Nenu said:
Nope.

The big problem is that an unsafe device was sold to the public.
Are you saying that the public should be aware that accidentally leaving a phone in a warm environment can cause a fire or explosion and have control over this?
Or that the technically unaware should not own it?
I dont recall hearing those requirements in the advertising.

The device is not fit for purpose because it is unsafe.
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It's not unsafe.

Anything with lithium ion batteries should likely come with a warning about the risks and proper handling of lithium ion batteries though. People need to understand it, they aren't going away.
 
pendragon1 said:
did you watch the video in the article? it was obviously a hot day(mid 20Cs) so the cars internal temps would have been hot. then the phone wrapped up in clothes would compound the heat of the car and what is being generated by the phone itself. it all adds up. if the heat in a car can get high enough to kill babies and dogs...
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73F was max in New South Wales on 10/20 when it happened so it wasn't hot plus it was in a white vehicle. Data center cooling temperature is set for the low 70s for comparison. There won't be media hysteria though since it's Apple.
 
The device should have had temperature fail safes to protect itself. No phone should explode, the sensors are there to be aware of the environment and handle itself.
 
raz-0 said:
It's not unsafe.

Anything with lithium ion batteries should likely come with a warning about the risks and proper handling of lithium ion batteries though. People need to understand it, they aren't going away.
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If you read the little booklets that generally come with devices that have or use batteries, they do have warnings on them but pretty much nobody reads them.
 
Setiri said:
This isn't a knock on surfing man, it's simply a plausible explanation. If the guy said it was sitting in a home or office and it burst into flames, that would be more worrisome as the temperature's of homes and offices don't vary nearly as much as that of a car. The guy also mentioned surfing, which has at least the possibility (if not the likelihood) of a strong sun and therefore hot temps inside the car. Come on man, read between the lines and use context. The story doesn't give you enough information in general, but with what is provided, you can tell that this very well COULD be an exception and not cause for alarm. If we see more stories, then perhaps it's not.
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What gave you the impression I thought anyone was knocking on surfing? The person said that since the person was surfing it had to be extremely hot outside. That was the part I took offence with. Like others pointed out you are looking at the low / mid 70F temps. That isn't anything extremely hot where anything in your car should be bursting into flame. Just because it is warm enough for you to go to a beach doesn't mean that the inside of your car is going to get to 150+F



cyclone3d said:
He said he left it under a pile of cloths. If you have ever left anything under a pile of clothes in a car, you will find out that the bottom of the pile does not even get warm.

And to top it off, IF an apple iPhone or iPad gets too hot, it will automatically turn off and will not power back on until the temperature gets low enough. Maybe they changed that on the iPhone 7.. but I kinda doubt it.

How do I know this. Chik-Fila grand opening on the hottest day of the year. Not only was it miserable, but we had nothing to watch movies on because it was too hot.
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As it should. I had an iPhone 4 do that.
 
I didn't say it was extremely hot out, I said it was hot(had to be, he was surfing). I don't get why you were offended?

“Basically the car becomes a greenhouse. At 70 degrees on a sunny day, after a half hour, the temperature inside a car is 104 degrees. After an hour, it can reach 113 degrees.”

– Jan Null, adjunct professor at San Francisco State University (source data here)

if he was giving a surf lesson he would be at least an hour so his car could be 115-120. possibly hot enough to compound with the heat from the iPhone and cause the fire. with that I'm done arguing about something that happened half way around the world and over a product ill never use.
 
pendragon1 said:
I didn't say it was extremely hot out, I said it was hot(had to be, he was surfing). I don't get why you were offended?

“Basically the car becomes a greenhouse. At 70 degrees on a sunny day, after a half hour, the temperature inside a car is 104 degrees. After an hour, it can reach 113 degrees.”

– Jan Null, adjunct professor at San Francisco State University (source data here)

if he was giving a surf lesson he would be at least an hour so his car could be 115-120. possibly hot enough to compound with the heat from the iPhone and cause the fire. with that I'm done arguing about something that happened half way around the world and over a product ill never use.
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My issue is with the assumption that worse case has to be the only case 100% of the time. Put one of those covers in your front window and suddenly you have blocked the sun from heating the inside of the car. park in a parking garage and you have removed the sun. park in a slightly shady area, you have blocked out the sun. Park with your car facing away from the sun, you have reduced the direct light coming in thus reduced the heating of the inside of the car. Have tinted windows, reduce the heat inside of the car. roll down a window a little bit when you are out of the car lets some heat escape, reduce the heat build up in the car. While you can create a perfect storm, those values don't apply to 100% of cars 100% of the time.

I had a car with all leather inside, however it also had tinted windows. It could be 130F outside and while the inside of course felt warm just because it was hot as fuck outside, the leather still felt a reasonable enough temp that I could get into the car and drive away wearing shorts and a t-shirt with skin touching the leather and not get burnt by it. By your logic and assumption that the inside of a car always has to be 50+ degrees hotter to the touch no matter what I should have been sitting on a 200F seat. However due to various design aspects of the car and the fact that I was smart about how I park I didn't ever once have to deal with a 200F car.
 
herp derp

How many of the countless previous iPhones have exploded in a god damn car because it was a whopping 150 degrees out? There are plenty of places on earth where it reaches 150 degrees, are you saying if I happen to be out in the desert for one of many reasons I may be out there it's to be expected my phone will explode the moment it exceeds 149 degrees? Don't think it'd be an issue if a phone exploded in a customer's hand, while pressed against there ear, and Apple/the courts/consumers/society would just go "LOL you were using your phone when it was hot out bro!"


why is it that every front page thread seems to try to outdo itself with stupid comments?
 
Manufacturers, its time to make your phone slightly thicker now for the sake of safety, its ok, really.
 
If a phone really goes nuclear @ only 113 degrees F it really should not be sold. Far too easy a temperature to reach.
In any case this incident seems isolated so far, and getting a bad battery or two happens.
Again, one is not a trend, any more than leaving your phone in a white car on a day in the low 70's should cause a fire.
I know with the Note 7 being in the news phones may be the first place people look, but are we even sure the phone is what started the fire yet?
 
After two months of exploding phones on the news, including at least one burned Jeep, this guy thought it would be a good idea to cover his phone with flammable clothing and leave it charging in a warm car. Maybe the phone wasn't the only thing exhaling weird smelling smoke.
 
In Hawaii a ton of my co-workers leave their phones in their cars charging. Absolutely stupid, emails have gone out warning against this practice and yet there are still many who do.

Since we can't have our phones on us there is a location where we can drop them off, if you are afraid of using a public storage location then just don't bring your phone!
 
Meaker said:
The device should have had temperature fail safes to protect itself. No phone should explode, the sensors are there to be aware of the environment and handle itself.
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Even if the phone turned itself off and disconnected from the battery it wouldn't matter.
Once one of these batteries over heats it ends up in thermal runaway, and keeps getting hotter and burning until it runs out of fuel.
 
nutzo said:
Even if the phone turned itself off and disconnected from the battery it wouldn't matter.
Once one of these batteries over heats it ends up in thermal runaway, and keeps getting hotter and burning until it runs out of fuel.
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that is why you shut down before the thermal runaway.
 
I'm pretty sure car fires won't stop during summer if leaving phones inside cars can cause thermal runaway.
 
its the dam phone companys making the phones so dam thin and taking out the removable battery.
 
Exavior said:
that is why you shut down before the thermal runaway.
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That's not how it works. Thermal runaway is independent of how the battery is or is not being used or charged.
 
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