No I do not like those 27" IPS panels. The Dell's pixels are much faster befitting 165 Hz, and no horrid IPS glow and largely not as much backlight bleed.
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No I do not like those 27" IPS panels. The Dell's pixels are much faster befitting 165 Hz, and no horrid IPS glow and largely not as much backlight bleed.
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The reason this monitor seems faster than the 165Hz IPS panels is that the response time of the TN panel (maybe with OD included) is fast enough in response times for 165Hz while the fastest IPS panels' response times with a nicely configured OD can only benefit fully up to around 144Hz.
I wonder whereabouts how high the fastest TN panels can cope with refresh rates, I have hard time believing the upcoming 240Hz TN will be achievable without noticeable side effects. Feels like 180~200Hz or thereabouts just comparing TN vs IPS response times
I wonder whereabouts how high the fastest TN panels can cope with refresh rates, I have hard time believing the upcoming 240Hz TN will be achievable without noticeable side effects. Feels like 180~200Hz or thereabouts just comparing TN vs IPS response times
someone in one of the other threads about ips panels said that the response time was tied to the refresh rate. so instead of the panel being 4ms all the time, if you have g-sync on and your fps gets low the response time would increase. i'd like to know more about this.
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It's just as you said. And even then None of the new fancy Ips gsyncs ect are any faster than a decent 10 year old 60Hz Tn panel in response time as most of those were typically 5ms GtG - or therebouts, which is what all the Swifts/Predators Ips are - about 6ms GtG really at their very best without setting the overdrive to unacceptable levels and dealing with ghosting/artifacting, and then they still need to be running at 120+Hz to even do that. And that's just GtG response time. As far as panels have come, and i do appreciate that something is at least being done to make them better overall, they are still total crap. I cringe at spending 200 dollars on one of any type VA Ips or Tn, let alone 700 for something i have the constant urge to put my fist through..
That being said i am now interested in this monitor. I almost bought the 24" Dell 1440p Ips but held back due to the response time and using Win 7 was not sure about a lot of my programs being useable at that size/res, but i hoped that for gaming they would put something like this out at this res/size. 24" is plenty for gaming for me, if not even slightly too big as i like my monitor closer to me. For the size ( or the 25" 1440ps as well ) in games it is basically 4k quality picture basically, and smaller is perfect for fps type games imo as again i like my monitor pretty close.
I been using 21.5" for the last well over a decade and am on a 20" temporarily until i pull the trigger on something else, and to put it into perspective i have spent almost a 1000 hours doing custom lighting and textures in video game engines photoshop ect in the last month alone on a 20" 10 year old ccfl panel. I require the best, but the best any more is merely ok, let alone "good", and as much as i've been against tn a panels for the last 13 years and vehemently shit on them and all lcds for as long, as the choices are today, i lean towards Tn over Ips. Basically because they are slightly faster, the colors are almost as good and they cost less. Because if i'm buying crap, i'm spending as little as i can get away with that will get me by and the reality is the difference between a 1000 dollar monitor and a 200 dollar monitor today is almost nil, you can point out the same issues on all of them and for 800 dollars or even 2000 dollars those issues better be gone, and they really aren't.
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I just picked up second one of these should be here Wednesday going to save this one for a future proof backup gaming monitor. Every game looks good on this thing I mean everything. Shadow Warrior 2 and Gears of War 4 look Amazing...... At first I thought it was small compared to my 27" but I got used to it and ignored the few inches less.
I really wish this monitor had blue light reduction and gamma control outside the RBG sliders and gaming presets.
I really wish this monitor had blue light reduction and gamma control outside the RBG sliders and gaming presets.
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Hey, I saw you debezeled your monitors. Can you post a quick write up on how to take them apart? Thanks.
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I tired getting the 429.00 a few days back it wouldn't work when place in the cart it went up to 499.00
Maybe I can sell the Dell gift card
Maybe I can sell the Dell gift card
I ordered one because why not and it came in yesterday. I'm a MVA/IPS user, so speed wise I can tell the difference in FPS games. However it must be said, the colors are severely lacking compared to MVA/IPS panels I'm used to. The increased DPI is nice for text, but unscaled. With 125% scaling in Windows 10, text looks fuzzy to my eyes.
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Desktop use the colors don't look very good even compared to my 2011 panel but in Games you won't be able the tell the difference unless it's something with minimal shadows and graphics like CSGO. Even at a very low brightness I have mine down to like 30B 30C the blacks are great because they don't muddy games up where it's so Dark on the screen you can't see where your going on some IPS panels. Like I booted up Shadow Warrior 2 the colors are just so AMazing with that game you would be hard pressed to say IPS is better cause with that pixel density and color saturation in the game it's just good. Gears of War 4 had the same impression with me it just looks good with games. This monitor really need a gamma adjustment though and low blue light reduction.
Thanks to Geronimo from Dell for shipping the 2nd one out
I hope it defect free though 3 year warranty...
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Dell currently has a sale on their monitors, buy one get another half off (lasts until 10/31/16, FYI). It just so happened to coincide with my starting to look for a 1440p/144Hz monitor, as I was already looking at the S2417DF for its added G-Sync capability. That sale essentially sold me on going with two of these, since after tax and free shipping, they were $357 apiece.
Just to provide some extra conversation on what's already been covered in this thread, I went with 24" over 27" because of limited space and also because I just simply prefer the tighter PPI. For me, there's a noticeable difference between the two sizes when it comes to text sharpness. Since I browse the web a lot and sit right in front of my monitors, this was important.
One of my biggest concerns was moving to an 8-bit TN panel from my current Dell 4K 10-bit IPS panel (the P2415Q with their premier color). I do photography as a hobby from time to time, which is one of the reasons I had that monitor. However, I was easily able to come to terms that since I've had that monitor, it's not necessarily improved my photography any, nor do I do many prints (or even had any issues with prints with the TN panel I had before). So, I made the move to these and am putting away the P2415Q for now.
Initial impressions once I got them turned on was just like everyone else...extremely washed out. No contrast whatsoever. Dull colors. I'm really surprised Dell ships them out like this.
I didn't take the time to actively review backlight bleed but in looking at black screens during bootup and whatnot, I'd say it looks better than any other TN panel I've ever owned. It's maybe slightly better than what I expected but backlight bleed has never really bothered me.
I have not noticed any dead pixels on either monitor. I don't go actively looking for them like some people, so as far as I'm concerned right now, I have no dead or stuck pixels. I'm of the mind that if I don't notice something while using the monitor every day, then why go searching.
I do have a Spyder5Pro calibrator, so that has been performed on both monitors. I use the Spyder recommended defaults based on what its light meter reads for my room. Before it properly calibrates color, it takes a measurement of the brightness of the screen and asks me to modify it manually using the OSD controls before it continues onward. For both monitors, I had to lower the brightness from the default 75 down to 45 (for one) and 42 (for the other) to get it within acceptable levels for my room (11:00pm at night so 3+ hours removed from sunset, but had a ceiling fan light on in the room I was in).
Calibration was done with all default settings on the monitor except for the aforementioned brightness adjustments. After calibration, colors were noticeably better. Contrast is still weak and black levels a borderline bad. I'm in no way a professional at this so what I plan to do this weekend is to manually adjust the contrast using OSD controls to my liking, possibly even going into the Nvidia control panel to adjust some things, then running a full calibration again to see if anything changes.
I have attached the two profiles created from my calibration in case somebody can utilize them. I've also attached the gamut readings from the S2417DG (file labeled as 2k) and the P2415Q (file labeled as 4k). Just something interesting to look at.
Overall, at the end of the day (for now), my IPS monitor is noticeably better because of the better black levels. This affects the color as well, so these TN panels are definitely a step down. This isn't a surprise to anybody, I'm sure. HOWEVER, with that said, it's not a huge step and I'm still happy with the decision to switch over. I'm going to keep working to see if I can get them more comparable, which I believe I'll be able to do.
So why am I still happy with this purchase? 144/165Hz and g-sync. I hadn't properly gamed at this refresh before and after playing BF1 for only 30 minutes last night, I'm hooked. No way I can back to a 60Hz monitor now. Just no way. With g-sync on, running at 1440p/144Hz, everything on Ultra, using DX11....I was consistently around 95-100fps. No stutters, no tearing, no input lag, just buttery smooth goodness. It's insane how much better of an experience this is. I never knew how bad I had it before.
Lastly, I'll comment on the design of these monitors. I didn't necessarily buy two so I could butt them up next to each other and do any kind of surround gaming, but with the super-thin bezel, I decided to at least have them touch. The plastic bezel is extremely thin and the glass of the screen is flush with the bezel (which looks really good), but there's still a quarter of an inch of black behind the glass that isn't part of the panel. So, it's not as if the panel goes almost up against the edge. Still, it's a thin bezel and putting two of these together will obviously double it, but it's still thin. Overall, the aesthetics of the monitor is great, I like Dell design, which is non-flashy.
No regrets on my purchase quite yet. I look forward to testing them out more this weekend.
Just to provide some extra conversation on what's already been covered in this thread, I went with 24" over 27" because of limited space and also because I just simply prefer the tighter PPI. For me, there's a noticeable difference between the two sizes when it comes to text sharpness. Since I browse the web a lot and sit right in front of my monitors, this was important.
One of my biggest concerns was moving to an 8-bit TN panel from my current Dell 4K 10-bit IPS panel (the P2415Q with their premier color). I do photography as a hobby from time to time, which is one of the reasons I had that monitor. However, I was easily able to come to terms that since I've had that monitor, it's not necessarily improved my photography any, nor do I do many prints (or even had any issues with prints with the TN panel I had before). So, I made the move to these and am putting away the P2415Q for now.
Initial impressions once I got them turned on was just like everyone else...extremely washed out. No contrast whatsoever. Dull colors. I'm really surprised Dell ships them out like this.
I didn't take the time to actively review backlight bleed but in looking at black screens during bootup and whatnot, I'd say it looks better than any other TN panel I've ever owned. It's maybe slightly better than what I expected but backlight bleed has never really bothered me.
I have not noticed any dead pixels on either monitor. I don't go actively looking for them like some people, so as far as I'm concerned right now, I have no dead or stuck pixels. I'm of the mind that if I don't notice something while using the monitor every day, then why go searching.
I do have a Spyder5Pro calibrator, so that has been performed on both monitors. I use the Spyder recommended defaults based on what its light meter reads for my room. Before it properly calibrates color, it takes a measurement of the brightness of the screen and asks me to modify it manually using the OSD controls before it continues onward. For both monitors, I had to lower the brightness from the default 75 down to 45 (for one) and 42 (for the other) to get it within acceptable levels for my room (11:00pm at night so 3+ hours removed from sunset, but had a ceiling fan light on in the room I was in).
Calibration was done with all default settings on the monitor except for the aforementioned brightness adjustments. After calibration, colors were noticeably better. Contrast is still weak and black levels a borderline bad. I'm in no way a professional at this so what I plan to do this weekend is to manually adjust the contrast using OSD controls to my liking, possibly even going into the Nvidia control panel to adjust some things, then running a full calibration again to see if anything changes.
I have attached the two profiles created from my calibration in case somebody can utilize them. I've also attached the gamut readings from the S2417DG (file labeled as 2k) and the P2415Q (file labeled as 4k). Just something interesting to look at.
Overall, at the end of the day (for now), my IPS monitor is noticeably better because of the better black levels. This affects the color as well, so these TN panels are definitely a step down. This isn't a surprise to anybody, I'm sure. HOWEVER, with that said, it's not a huge step and I'm still happy with the decision to switch over. I'm going to keep working to see if I can get them more comparable, which I believe I'll be able to do.
So why am I still happy with this purchase? 144/165Hz and g-sync. I hadn't properly gamed at this refresh before and after playing BF1 for only 30 minutes last night, I'm hooked. No way I can back to a 60Hz monitor now. Just no way. With g-sync on, running at 1440p/144Hz, everything on Ultra, using DX11....I was consistently around 95-100fps. No stutters, no tearing, no input lag, just buttery smooth goodness. It's insane how much better of an experience this is. I never knew how bad I had it before.
Lastly, I'll comment on the design of these monitors. I didn't necessarily buy two so I could butt them up next to each other and do any kind of surround gaming, but with the super-thin bezel, I decided to at least have them touch. The plastic bezel is extremely thin and the glass of the screen is flush with the bezel (which looks really good), but there's still a quarter of an inch of black behind the glass that isn't part of the panel. So, it's not as if the panel goes almost up against the edge. Still, it's a thin bezel and putting two of these together will obviously double it, but it's still thin. Overall, the aesthetics of the monitor is great, I like Dell design, which is non-flashy.
No regrets on my purchase quite yet. I look forward to testing them out more this weekend.
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Damn I wish I waited a week I could of got two of them for 674.00
I just received my s2417dg and I cant seem to get the 165hz overclock working.....has anybody with this monitor been able to get that refresh rate? Every time I overclock it on the monitor menu the monitor doesn't connect to my gtx 980ti, it just says its in power saving mode and it has a blank screen. Odd thing is that I need to connect the monitor back to HDMI to get access to reset the factory settings on the monitor just to get the display port signal to work again. This seems really strange to me and im wondering if my monitors board is the problem, maybe I got a lemon?
Also just to note I used the original dp cable it came with along with another dp 1.2 cable I was using for 3 years with my asus vg248qe monitor.
Any suggestions guys? I might need to send it back for an exchange.
Also just to note I used the original dp cable it came with along with another dp 1.2 cable I was using for 3 years with my asus vg248qe monitor.
Any suggestions guys? I might need to send it back for an exchange.
Not sure if it's related, but I read about some power save issues with this monitor in Amazon reviews when connected via DP. The basic suggestion is to turn off the power save feature on the monitor itself...go into the options that let you adjust brightness, contrast, color, etc., and in the left menu, go to the very bottom that says "Others". Turn off the power save feature in here, then once done, UNPLUG the monitor and plug it back in, otherwise the setting doesn't work. Don't just press the power button, literally cut the power to it. See if that works.
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Yeah I had problems with it while messing with the refresh rate so I kept it at 144hz I could get it at 165 hz
yeah I think I had to unplug the monitor's power and reset the PC. Or unplug every monitor except the Dell.
yeah I think I had to unplug the monitor's power and reset the PC. Or unplug every monitor except the Dell.
So u couldn't get 165hz either?
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Yeah I did but reduced it cause I thought I noticed some eyestrain from the overclock.
You know what I think I overclocked it to like 155 hz and didn't go to 165 actually I'm not going to mess with it anymore cause I did have some problems.
You know what I think I overclocked it to like 155 hz and didn't go to 165 actually I'm not going to mess with it anymore cause I did have some problems.
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Just for curiosity did your s2417dg come in a box like this? Because I'm thinking I got a refurb model
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The two I have are Dell boxes and are white on the outside printed with pictures that looks like a repackaged monitor. Maybe if you got it from Amazon they ship them in boxes like that but usually another box is inside.
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Yup well looks like they sent me a refurb never again buying directly from dell....in order to resolve the 165hz issue I needed to change to 165hz in monitor menu then instead of rebooting on screen I literally just unplugged the power then that got it to work properly . Just in case anyone's having this problem
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Yeah you have to unplug it to get it working again or a reboot otherwise the refresh will be out of sync for some reason and won't display.
Can you re-upload? The two zip files seem corrupt or broken.
If you bought new then it should come in a Dell box. This looks like Amazon warehouse packaging. I bought one pg279q that looked like this, send it back the next day.
I'll assume you meant to quote me. I deleted the old profiles and re-uploaded in a single zip. Should work now.
Thanks
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Is that all the data that you have for the calibration? Can you show us the contrast ratio ect?
Unfortunately I only have the Spyder5Pro version, I would need Elite in order to view the numbers you'd like. My apologies.
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I bet it's the same panel I don't think much will change unless the settings are most customized which would be a bonus that way.
I wonder if Asus will release 24" at 1440P might be a obscure size for them to even consider it.
I would pick up a Asus before a Acer just for the settings alone and if it had low blue light.
Then I read Windows 10 will include a Low Blue Light feature so that would null it unless it overrides Nvidia settings.
Battlefield 1 is making it harder to stay on the fence. Still debating this, its 27 inch brother, that new Samsung Quantum Dot coming out at the end of the month, or stupidly rolling the AU Optronics dice on the Asus PG279Q (or equivalents) that's everything I want on paper "but."
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I picked this up for Divinity Original Sin 2 cause it looked bad on the 27" just reading the text was nausea.
You can always return the monitor if you think 24" is too small. What would happen while playing on the 27" swift I wouldn't play as many rounds I couldn't figure out what it was I just think the size was exhausting me out which would probably the same feeling you would get trying to manipulate the pixels on a Ultra wide just hard to focus on stuff and keep your attention. I played on a 21.5 for Duke Nukem Forever then I switched to a 24" for a few months the 24" was better I can't stand the game on a 27" though. Dishonored looks like trash on a 27" but looks great on a 24" it might be what they designed the monitor at the time for that specific game.
What do you think that was about? PPI?
EDIT: Saw your edits.
True. Amazon makes it easy. I just don't want to abuse it.
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The Text box was just too big I didn't feel like reading the text I'm hoping the games has voice overs later on only played the game for a few hours going to wait for the final. I had the same problem with Pillars of Eternity I didn't feel like playing the game on a 27" I couldn't focus on the text let alone care about the story or game plus the eyestrain I got from playing POE on my Swift was really different either the added brightness or trying to focus on the text and block out the rest of the game.
I played the original Divinity Original Sin last year on a 24" monitor at 1080P it just looked good at that size.
But when I switched to 27" I couldn't play the game more then a hour at max.
has anyone tested 165z vs 144hz? I currently have mine set to 144hz as I noticed some flickering on screen....I ordered the accell ultraav displayport cable to hopefully correct this problem.
Also wondering if anyone has managed to overclock the display to 165hz without using the unplugging from wall method?.
Also wondering if anyone has managed to overclock the display to 165hz without using the unplugging from wall method?.
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Not flickering I seen a white horizontal line in Battlefield one but that could be the game not the monitor ever other game runs fine.
Using the included DP cables on both of mine and no flickering seen at all since getting them last week. I haven't turned them up to 165Hz mainly because I don't see the point, there's no way I'll see a difference between 144 and 165, so I just leave it at the default.
I've also had flickering on mine, but only in 165hz mode.