Like them or not, Google's Pixel phones will be the iPhone competitor we've demanded for years

I happily spent the $499 on my 64GB Nexus 6P awhile back, and I really love this phone. Now do I want to spend another $800+ to get a slightly better Nexus phone in this new Pixel XL ? Not really, as I don't think that new $800 phone will be radically different and a major upgrade over my current 6P running 7.0. Yeah the Pixel XL is a cool phone, but is it $800 better than my 6P ? In my opinion no way.

Now if your rocking an older phone like the Motorola Nexus 6 or some Note 4 or something, then yeah the Pixel XL is a fantastic upgrade path.

And the carrier thing, since I'm already on JoD, I don't want to fiance this Pixel through Google, as that then defeats the purpose of me being on JoD with T-Mobile. I may just get of JoD next year altogether though, as it's looking like that's only good for three types of phones now, iPhone, Galaxy, and LG. Don't ever see a Pixel phone coming to other carriers, but who knows if it's on Verizon now, I could see them eventually moving it to other carriers possibly.

Right now, my next phone, might be the iPhone 7 Plus on T-Mobile's JoD program once a Jailbreak is out.
 
Hahaha, AUD$1079 for the cheapest model here in Oz. To put that in perspective, the Nexus 5 was AUD$399. I probably could have justified something in the $600-$800 range, but this is ridiculous. Why would I buy a Pixel when I can get something like an S7 for $300 less? Or any number of Xaoimi/OnePlus/etc... phones with the exact same specs for $500+ less?

Man, I'm like No Man's Sky levels of disappointed with this announcement.
 


Watch this video, these phones actually look Fugly :( They look cheap, and weird in a bad way. I find the 6P a much cleaner more polished and higher end looking phone than these Pixel's. And what's the purpose of that strange glass panel on the upper half, seems to serve no purpose, but just look ugly, and the Jay Leno chin ? WTF this is 2016, chins should be gone, and more screen less bezel.
 
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Watch this video, these phones actually look Fugly :( They look cheap, and weird in a bad way. I find the 6P a much cleaner more polished and higher end looking phone than these Pixel's. And what's the purpose of that strange glass panel on the upper half, seems to serve no purpose, but just look ugly, and the Jay Leno chin ? WTF this is 2016, chins should be gone, and more screen less bezel.
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You know, people said the antenna bands on the iPhone 6/6s were horrible, now look at this lol. It looks terrible and I'm not sure what Google was thinking here. The price is wrong, the look is wrong..everything is wrong with it.
 
Note 7 catches fire... Pixel severely disappoints... Apple couldn't have planned it better. ;)
 
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I've got the cash to purchase the new Pixel XL, I got the new phone itch, said F it, let's do it, I went to the Google page, clicked through the options, got it ready to place the order, and then that $769.00 price was just staring me in the face, and I just couldn't pull the trigger, just can't justify to spend $800 on a new phone. Plus I already have the Nexus 6P 64GB and I'm very satisfied with it still, running Pure Nexus ROM.

If the new Pixel XL was similar priced to last years 6P, I'd have pre-ordered it A.S.A.P. at like $550. But $800, I can't do that on principle. That's a very anti-Nexus price for me IMO.
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Exactly the same for me. Pixel XL offers minimal real improvement over my 6p, and is 50% more? No. not interested at all.
 
I look forward to my boy Floss, to be back with another video of the real review of the Google Pixel and Pixel XL.

I'm not too sure what this phone has over my 128GB 6P.
 
Check this poll, from a major Nexus nerd site, and majority are saying no way on the new Pixel purchase, and this website is typically super pumped up on new Nexus phone releases.. LOL Google really F'd this up bad, I predict a massive sales flop of truly epic proportions.

Tuesday Poll: Are You Buying the Pixel or Pixel XL? | Droid Life

Are you buying the Pixel or Pixel XL?

  • Not buying (62%, 3,936 Votes)
  • Pixel XL (26%, 1,687 Votes)
  • Pixel (12%, 753 Votes)
Total Voters: 6,376
 
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Which is a better looking and more beautiful design ? The Pixel or Nexus 6P ? To me the 6P hands down;


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You know, people said the antenna bands on the iPhone 6/6s were horrible, now look at this lol. It looks terrible and I'm not sure what Google was thinking here. The price is wrong, the look is wrong..everything is wrong with it.
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I don't really care how it looks on the back. It's going in a case anyway :p The 5x looks pretty basic on the back too, but it really doesnt matter. My Verus High Pro Shield case looks great!
 
No more BS, I am being totally serious here, please.

Listen, I am not knocking the Pixel XL phone itself,m yeah it's a kick ass piece of hardware for sure. Great processor, great camera, great display, etc... yes that's awesome Google finally did it all right. But the $800 price tag just seems off for a Google phone for some reason. Google used to purposely lower the price of Nexus phones, and still have flagship specs. Yeah maybe the camera sucked or poor display, but everything else was always top notch flagship hardware for it's day.

The Nexus 4 was $349 at launch, and it had flagship specs for it's day, same hardware inside as the $700 Note 2 at the time.

The Nexus 5 was $399 at launch, again same hardware inside as the flagship Galaxy S4 at the time selling for $650.

Yeah maybe it didn't have the best cameras as those other flagships, but that's not worth 100% higher double price just for a better camera. Point is Google was purposely selling the Nexus phones at a loss for developers. Now they aren't doing that anymore.

But it's still missing;

- No water resistance
- No wireless charging
- No OIS

I still think the iPhone and Galaxy phones should be tad more premium priced, and the Pixel a notch below, in like the $599 price range IMO.

And the carrier thing, I just hate exclusives. Either put it out on all the major U.S carriers, or don't put it on them at all. But a Verizon only thing is just stupid IMO. And I don't mean for to be able to get in T-Mobile, it's just on principle, an exclusive carrier only for such a huge phone release is idiotic.

Would Samsung put the S8 out on ATT only, and no other carriers ? Would Apple release the iPhone 7S on Sprint only and no one else ? Of course not, they want to sell as many phones possible, and will put it in every carrier store possible. So if Google is trying to play the same game as the iPhone's and Galaxy's, well then the game is played in carrier stores too, all of them.

This launch just seems strange to me from Google, very confusing. A Verizon exclusive, and $800 pricing. I don't get it. Like they wann play the Apple + Samsung game, but they don't. Which is it ?
 
This is really frustrating. I have a Nexus 6 and as per my "2 year rule" I start to look for an upgrade two "Nexus Generations" later, so I was thinking the Pixel could be a good idea. I can see no technical reason why Google abandoned the "Nexus" brand and started with "Pixel", given the phones that have arrived. They trotted out all this fanfare like "October 4th things are going to change etc..." but the new Pixel line is, purely from a hardware standpoint, a nice little update from the previous Nexus 6 and 5X / 6P, but not a groundbreaking "will change phones forever" moment. Okay, the processor is a little faster, the camera is a little better, the screen is the same and/or lesser resolution, it has 4GB of RAM instead of the 3GB my 2-year-old N6 has, transitioned to USB-C (please god let it be electrically USB 3.1 at least!) etc. A nice upgrade, but nothing groundbreaking. One conspicuously absent feature is the lack of Wireless Charging (much less "fast" wireless charging). Can't understand why they did away with it as once you've gotten used to it, its a great feature and one will miss it no longer available. This goes double for those with non-Apple phones because for some unbelievable reason magnetic connectors are not patent-free, thus you have to worry that if the phone gets knocked over (for those of us who have animals this is more likely) that something will bend. Android 7.1 looks nice and while I like the API / open source elements to gain aaccess to Google Assistant, I dislike any Pixel exclusive features. I'd rather have it be "pure" Android. If they want to "test" features on their latest Pixel devices that's cool, but bring them to the rest of Android down the line.

Of course, I could maybe overlook some of the issues above, but then I was hit by A) price and B) partnership with the hated demonic Verizon and locked bootloader for Verizon variants. Seeing last year's Nexus 6P and 5X at reasonable prices with a great feature set heartened me, but seeing the Pixel debut jacks the price up once again for apparently no good reason is a disappointment. I just don't see what makes it worth pricing above the Nexus 6P , for instance. It would be easier if I could perhaps roll it over through T-Mobile's "Jump on Demand" no-cost, upgrade 3X yearly program (so long as you turn the phone back in when you upgrade), but it appears that at least to start, the Pixel / Pixel XL are Verizon store exclusive. Now, you can finance them direct from Google which is a nice touch, but I am a bit concerned about their pricing and terms - I'd have to read them much more closely to ensure they are viable and no-interest, without any "gotchas" along the way. Why they partner with Verizon, after even Fi itself partnered with Sprint/T-Mo is beyond me. I can only hope that Pixel models NOT sold via Verizon won't come with an intentionally hard to unlock bootloader and other encumbrances.. if this isn't the case, there is no chance that the phone is on my radar at all.

So after taking a look at the whole (apparent) situation one thing is clear: Google has decided to run after Apple calling ME TOO on policies and procedures. They roll out a solid-for-the-year yet in some ways underwhelming device, focus on aesthetics and widgets, hype it up as being "revolutionary" when it is at best a solid evolution, and charge top dollar (almost exactly in line with iPhone 7 pricing!). However I can't figure out why. They don't seriously think that Apple die-hards will buy a Pixel because "it looks kinda like Apple now and its price has inflated!". Its clear they're not making it for the "Nexus" flagship community, given the foolishly high price and cut corners/features (ie Wireless charging). Are they competing with the other flagships like Samsung's offferings? I don't see any features that will be able to last a whole year of Galaxy refreshes. So what is the deal? Its so frustrating because this COULD have been a fantastic device if they just reached a bit further. They could have priced it a bit lower like previous Nexus parameters instead and had a showstoppingly great deal on their hands, causing some converts from Galaxy and perhaps even a few iPhones. They could have gone the extra mile to include things like fast wireless charging (especially with the glass "window" on the back!), expandable memory, perhaps a user-replaceable battery, and a competing design for the Galaxy S7 "Edge" notification area. Hell, they could do something truly groundbreaking and design a magnetic cable that is USB-C compliant for charging/data. If they want to sell something at those premium Samsung and iPhone prices, they should make something that encourages people with that cash to spend, myself included, to say "Yes, this is a significantly better experience and feature set to justify the price"

The Pixel looks like a good flagship iteration, but I think it really could have been so much more if they had the foresight and courage to make something besides an obvious nod to Apple.
 
Today just confirms what's been increasingly apparent for years: Google doesn't really give a shit about Android. iPhone fanboys and others have been saying it all along, and it's true. Practically everything they do is half-assed and inexplicable by anything other than Android/Nexus being an afterthought managed by a smal team of employees in the basement, rather than a serious priority to the guys at the top of the company. If Google -- of all companies -- wanted to get serious about selling their own phones and taking on Apple, they damn well could've gotten them sold through all carriers (and without any carrier meddling in bootloaders or software), if nothing else. The Verizon exclusivity reeks of Pixel being a pet project whose managers feel compelled to prove to the higher ups that they aren't bleeding money to justify its continued existence. And I don't really care personally, cause I'm not buying a Pixel, but the half-assedness is emblematic of every serious issue Android faces: fragmentation, broken updates, buggy releases, etc. My faith in the whole ecosystem is almost gone, and yet I have zero interest in iOS either, so I guess it's time to start praying for a third OS to descend from the heavens and gain real marketshare sometime in the next 3-5 years.
 
Besides the sheer fugliness and underwhelming specs, I also love how Google is asking for ~$200 more than a S7 and yet still have the cheek to put the fingerprint sensor in a retarded position.

brettjrob said:
Today just confirms what's been increasingly apparent for years: Google doesn't really give a shit about Android.
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If you one views Android as a glorified advertising board for Google, its not hard to see why its fundamentally done so half-assed.
 
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Besides the sheer fugliness and underwhelming specs, I also love how Google is asking for ~$200 more than a S7 and yet still have the cheek to put the fingerprint sensor in a retarded position.
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Meh, best fingerprint scanner placement preference is highly subjective and there seems to be an even split on people who like and don't like it on the back. I've used both and both locations have their pros and cons, but I certainly don't mind it at all on my 6P, as it's nice to not have to press a button to wake and unlock the phone and it feels much more natural on the back as you pull it out of your pocket. Plus the scanner on the 6P seems considerably more accurate than what Samsung uses my wife's Note5 or my mom's S7. I can count on my hands the amount of mis-reads on my 6P, whereas on my mom and wife have theirs mis-read about 1/5 of the time it seems.
 
I will get the Pixel once it hits the $300 price point.

The phone is overpriced. The display, camera, water resistance will be below the Note 7 and iPhone 7.
 
*hugs his GS7 Edge Closer* Pixel/Note 7/Apple 7's/lg v20 have all been failures. Maybe next year?
 
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I will get the Pixel once it hits the $300 price point.
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Say hello to craigslist/eBay/Swappa in about 6 months 'cause it's safe to say that phone ain't never going to get a serious retail price reduction so, either refurbs or used will be pretty much the only option to get into that range in terms of cost.
 
They shouldn't be trying to develop a model for comparing with iPhone. That is not a healthy competition. It will only backfire.
Google should be trying to build the next break in the smartphone industry and not trying to catch up with iphone.
 
Pretty much last comment on make on these Pixel phones.

I'm dying to see 1st Qtr sales numbers on these compared to the likes of the Nexus 5 or Nexus 6P. I just see this phone being a massive flop. Nobody, I mean no one I know would spend $800 on this thing, that's just absurd.

My brother is a computer programmer, makes very good money, well into the six figures, he bought his first Nexus phone back when Google first launched the Galaxy Nexus on the Play Store back in April 2012 for $399, since then he's owned the Nexus 5, and now the Nexus 5X, I asked him about the Pixel, he LOL'd said no way would he even dare consider dropping that kind of dime on a cellphone. He asked his workers all programming geeks who also have Nexus phones and other developer friendly phones, and out of all 25 of them, not one said they will buy the Pixel, they all said no thanks at that price. And these are guys are making very good high salaries, can easily afford it without hesitation.

I thought flagship phones were in that $599 to $649 price range, not $800+ ? When did the flagship price change from $649 to $800+ ? Wasn't the HTC 10 like $600 at launch, and isn't the Galaxy S7 Edge like $650 ? And I'm not talking iPhone pricing, that's just stupid prices, any fool who would buy an iPhone outright is crazy IMO.

I just don't think a cellphone should be costing $800, that's insanity. I must be in the Twilight Zone, where everyone is totally cool spending $800+ on a cellphone, and is totally cool with that, WOW.
 
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Today just confirms what's been increasingly apparent for years: Google doesn't really give a shit about Android.
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Unfortunately they don't give a shit about anything they do, software or hardware. Everything is just a cluster-f at that company.

Look at some of their programming frameworks like AngularJS or Angular Material Design. It's all a half-broken mess and instead of fixing it they just say, "Guys we're moving over to a new version 2.0 and closing all of your bugs as 'won't-fix'. Re-write all of your code in the new version." They're an infuriating company to deal with because everything is in a perpetual beta state for them.

And how do they have a huge Google I/O presentation and not even mention Chromebooks or ChromeOS? One of their best consumer successes they just ignore so it can die on the vine.
 
I don't want to be a negative in this positive Pixel thread, but let's be realistic here.

Google is aiming for Apple like success with this Pixel phone right ? Well Apple has the iPhone in every carrier store in the U.S, and even at frigging Walmart, it's sold everywhere, is on display at Best Buy, they have Apple stores in the big cities. It's very easy to get a new iPhone

The same can be said for Samsung and their Galaxy line, it's sold everywhere, and easily obtainable.

But this Pixel phone is only sold online, and in Verizon stores. That's major limiter right there attracting potential customers.

People on AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, US Cellular, etc... will not even be aware this Pixel exists. That right there is almost 200 million people not even knowing your phone is out there.

And Verizon, you honestly think the sale staff will push this Pixel phone over the new iPhone 7 or Galaxy 7 ?

I really want a stock Android phone to be a success for the masses, it's the best of what Android is. But I just don't think Google is doing it right with this Pixel launch in my opinion, but hey, prove me wrong Google. I'd much rather the Pixel phone be the hot phone over an iPhone or Galaxy.
 
I think the way this thread is going, we've pretty much confirmed that android supporters are cheap and nexus supporters are cheap as fuck... A new exploding Galaxy sells for this price! But when Google does it...

A better way of saying this is this. At comparable pricing to the iPhone, Pixel has to be a just as good if not better alternative to the iPhone.
 
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I don't want to be a negative in this positive Pixel thread, but let's be realistic here.

Google is aiming for Apple like success with this Pixel phone right ? Well Apple has the iPhone in every carrier store in the U.S, and even at frigging Walmart, it's sold everywhere, is on display at Best Buy, they have Apple stores in the big cities. It's very easy to get a new iPhone

The same can be said for Samsung and their Galaxy line, it's sold everywhere, and easily obtainable.

But this Pixel phone is only sold online, and in Verizon stores. That's major limiter right there attracting potential customers.

People on AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, US Cellular, etc... will not even be aware this Pixel exists. That right there is almost 200 million people not even knowing your phone is out there.

And Verizon, you honestly think the sale staff will push this Pixel phone over the new iPhone 7 or Galaxy 7 ?

I really want a stock Android phone to be a success for the masses, it's the best of what Android is. But I just don't think Google is doing it right with this Pixel launch in my opinion, but hey, prove me wrong Google. I'd much rather the Pixel phone be the hot phone over an iPhone or Galaxy.
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After sleeping on it I really don't think the price is that bad. Overall if I got a Pixel XL 128GB with device protection that puts me at ~$37 a month. Currently with T-Mobile and my G5 with JUMP i'm at ~$38 (26.25 for device +$12 for JUMP). So Pixel XL is technically the better deal there.

I think the shock came from people conveniently forgetting that there were trade offs for the low cost Nexus devices (I'm guilty of this because the price bothered me when it was first announced). Then I remembered Nexus was never designed to be a mainstream device. Nexus was a developer phone first and foremost. Nexus camera quality was pretty much shit for many generations. There's a reason why Nexus and "Potato camera" are synonymous with each other. During the time of Nexus 4/5/6 microSD card was in just about every device BUT the Nexus line. You didn't have IR blasters in the Nexus devices or high quality DACs or anything like that. You didn't even have the best screens. Nexus 6 was a more premium device and we saw a price tag of $650+ and people bitched (I didn't. I loved my N6). Nexus 5X and 6P were cheaper because they had no frills, old SoCs and the 810 in the 6P was known to be garbage.

Now we have a truly premium device like so many have been clamoring for and as soon as we get it people bitch because it costs too much but is right in line with other devices on the market.


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I think the way this thread is going, we've pretty much confirmed that android supporters are cheap and nexus supporters are cheap as fuck... A new exploding Galaxy sells for this price! But when Google does it...

A better way of saying this is this. At comparable pricing to the iPhone, Pixel has to be a just as good if not better alternative to the iPhone.
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You are 100% correct.
 
CHANG3D said:
I think the way this thread is going, we've pretty much confirmed that android supporters are cheap and nexus supporters are cheap as fuck... A new exploding Galaxy sells for this price! But when Google does it...
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Well, keep in mind, the only people who participate in forums like this one are those who are most likely to prefer cheap and cheerful. The mass market, who spend $800+ on devices like these all the time because its spread out over 2 years, don't comment because they don't participate in the discussion to begin with.
 
Vermillion said:
After sleeping on it I really don't think the price is that bad. Overall if I got a Pixel XL 128GB with device protection that puts me at ~$37 a month. Currently with T-Mobile and my G5 with JUMP i'm at ~$38 (26.25 for device +$12 for JUMP). So Pixel XL is technically the better deal there.

I think the shock came from people conveniently forgetting that there were trade offs for the low cost Nexus devices (I'm guilty of this because the price bothered me when it was first announced). Then I remembered Nexus was never designed to be a mainstream device. Nexus was a developer phone first and foremost. Nexus camera quality was pretty much shit for many generations. There's a reason why Nexus and "Potato camera" are synonymous with each other. During the time of Nexus 4/5/6 microSD card was in just about every device BUT the Nexus line. You didn't have IR blasters in the Nexus devices or high quality DACs or anything like that. You didn't even have the best screens. Nexus 6 was a more premium device and we saw a price tag of $650+ and people bitched (I didn't. I loved my N6). Nexus 5X and 6P were cheaper because they had no frills, old SoCs and the 810 in the 6P was known to be garbage.

Now we have a truly premium device like so many have been clamoring for and as soon as we get it people bitch because it costs too much but is right in line with other devices on the market.




You are 100% correct.
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To be fair, it's still missing a few of the features of other flagship phones like waterproofing, wireless charging, etc.
 
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To be fair, it's still missing a few of the features of other flagship phones like waterproofing, wireless charging, etc.
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Water proofing would be nice for peace of mind, but to be honest, I've never had a water issue with any phone I've owned so (knock on wood) I don't think that will be an issue.

As far as wireless charging goes, I think that is just stupid and wasteful. It is highly inefficient, wastes energy creates heat, adds bulk and cost to a phone and for what? The minute convenience of not having to plug your phone in? I'll pass. I'm not too lazy to plug a cord in when I want to charge :p
 
I seriously don't get wireless charging as it currently stands. It is less efficient than plugging in the charging cable. And it has to be contact with (or super close proximity to) a charging dock. Until a true contactless charging (like the phone is charging while in your pocket) comes along with at most 15% less efficiency, I'm going to call these "wireless" charging utter bullshit. Save the environment, y'all.
 
I have a Nexus 6 and was waiting to see what the new Pixel phones would be like. The pricing is crazy, but even that I could justify if they didn't waste so much space on the phone. Wen't with the htc 10 now instead as it's $150 off on their website with a free year of protection. At least they make use of the space on the bottom of the phone with navi buttons and the fingerprint sensor. Plus audio is really important to me and the htc 10 has the best headphone audio short of maybe the v20 but that's $850.
 
CHANG3D said:
I think the way this thread is going, we've pretty much confirmed that android supporters are cheap and nexus supporters are cheap as fuck... A new exploding Galaxy sells for this price! But when Google does it...

A better way of saying this is this. At comparable pricing to the iPhone, Pixel has to be a just as good if not better alternative to the iPhone.
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I agree, but when Google sets a precedence for offering cheaper alternatives to other mainstream flagship phones, it's natural for people to react this way when they take those cheaper options away. I understand they tried to mitigate this as much as possible though by killing the Nexus name for Pixel, as they both represent different tiers of hardware and price.

Honestly, I would consider the phone at the given price if it had any of the features I highly value in a phone, but it doesn't so I wouldn't even consider it if it was cheaper. They dropped the front facing speakers that I love on my 6P and previously on my M8, still don't offer wireless charging (NBD for me, but it would be nice since my wife's phone supports it) or an IR blaster (that I still miss from my M8), plus they want me to pay even more than other current phones are that don't cost nearly as much. Software can only offer so much and it's not enough to make up that price gap for me for the lack of hardware it has. This is just my take on it though; I know most people don't care about those features that I like and look for on a phone.

I'm sure for those semi-interested in these phones though, there will be promos and sales soon that will take the sting off a bit. I see Best Buy is already offering $100 off on Verizon, but screw that since it will have a locked bootloader. I hope someone blows that Verizon variant wide open upon launch, hah.
 
It seems like their lead selling point of the pixel phones was the AI system and the camera. I don't care too much about active AI involvement on my phone, I never much use ok google, or google now or anything like that. I would rather just click a button to get the info I need than talk to my phone to get it. The camera looks great, but most top tier cell phone cameras are sooo good now that it's really splitting hairs to some degree.

I do find it funny that they paid such great attention to removing the camera bezel but then completely failed on the bezels on the rest of the phone which are far more important to most people.
 
My biggest disappointment with this phone isn't the price. I don't give a shit about the price.

I'm disappointed by how....ordinary this phone is. This Galaxies and iPhones stand out because they pack in (hardware) features that no other flagships have. The Galaxies have their totally unmatched AMOLED displays, very wide angle front facing camera, stylus support (for the Note 7), heart rate sensor, eye scanner, curved display, etc. The iPhones have pressure sensitivity, battery life, and SoC performance that destroy anything and everything that run Android.

Yes, some of those features may be useless to most (like the eye scanner, heart rate sensor, or pressure sensitivity), but they represent a willingness to stand out from the crowd by providing hardware features that most other manufacturers just can't replicate (not easily). I mean, theres a reason why, when people are asked what phone they have, they say either "I have an iPhone" or "I have a Galaxy". If Google wants to be part of the lexicon like that, they aren't going to do it by peddling an ordinary phone using ordinary hardware that every other manufacturer has been using for months already (no, the 821 doesn't count, at all), regardless of how awesome the software may be.

And what's really confusing here, is that Google, as an organization, should already know this. There's a reason why everybody says "you can Google that" or "I can Google this". Google knows what it takes to change vocabulary. Somehow that got lost here.
 
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To be fair, it's still missing a few of the features of other flagship phones like waterproofing, wireless charging, etc.
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I don't swim with my phone. Nobody I know does. So IP-68 while it would be nice isn't a deal breaker in any possible way.

Wireless charging? I've never understood the value. I did it with my Nexus 5 because a buddy gave me a spare Qi charger. Never used it on my N6. QC2 and QC3 are so much faster than wireless. Why would I not take the 5 seconds to plug in the phone and get far more charge in a far shorter amount of time? Not to mention I have QC chargers everywhere now including both cars.

Not much else out there the Pixel is missing. microSD card support would be nice but it's Google. We know they want everything in the cloud (which doesn't bother me in the least as I have it all there anyways) but at least this time they also gave users a 128GB option. IR Blaster? 99% of the population doesn't give a shit. Iris scanner? 99% of the population doesn't give a shit.

Overall Google really did deliver an exceptional device and early hands on reviewers say Google Assistant is flat out awesome. CHANG3D said it first. Nexus users are cheap and want the best for free which they need realize can never happen.
 
The problem with the $800+ price, and not in carrier stores except one.

I did a poll between extended family and friends last year. Probably like 30 to 40 different people, and I'd say 75% iPhone owners. And a lot of them are extremely successful, either Doctors, Lawyers, and Hedge Funder's, making $250k and up a year. Anyways I asked them at family parties and holidays about their smartphone use, and how they get their phones. I asked if they pay full price for the phone out of pocket, meaning the $750 or so. Their answers were all the same, every single one of them, I mean 100% of them said hell no. They all had the exact same response pretty much, they get their phone on their carrier contract, pay nothing upfront for it, or pay very little down like $99, and get it as part of their monthly cellphone bill. Every one of them said you're crazy if you'd pay $750 for a cellphone, even though it may be cheaper in the long one to do so, they all said no.

I've asked my coworkers and boss, about 20 different people, that make pretty good money, same response, they said heck no would I buy a cellphone for $700, they all get it through their carrier and as part of the monthly billing.

My point; the only way this Pixel has a chance of being successful is putting it in every carrier store, plus advertising it strongly. I know you can finance it through Google, but the average Joe Blow public won't do that,. They just want to walk into their carrier store, and leave with a new phone, all setup for them.

Putting it on Verizon only, we'll see how this plays out ?? Maybe like Apple starting off with ATT only and the iPhone originally, and eventually it got huge and on all carriers down the road. Maybe that's Google's plan ?
 
Google, can you just stop being like Apple? You're supposed to be the reasonable one damnit.
 
Zorachus said:
The problem with the $800+ price, and not in carrier stores except one.

I did a poll between extended family and friends last year. Probably like 30 to 40 different people, and I'd say 75% iPhone owners. And a lot of them are extremely successful, either Doctors, Lawyers, and Hedge Funder's, making $250k and up a year. Anyways I asked them at family parties and holidays about their smartphone use, and how they get their phones. I asked if they pay full price for the phone out of pocket, meaning the $750 or so. Their answers were all the same, every single one of them, I mean 100% of them said hell no. They all had the exact same response pretty much, they get their phone on their carrier contract, pay nothing upfront for it, or pay very little down like $99, and get it as part of their monthly cellphone bill. Every one of them said you're crazy if you'd pay $750 for a cellphone, even though it may be cheaper in the long one to do so, they all said no.

I've asked my coworkers and boss, about 20 different people, that make pretty good money, same response, they said heck no would I buy a cellphone for $700, they all get it through their carrier and as part of the monthly billing.

My point; the only way this Pixel has a chance of being successful is putting it in every carrier store, plus advertising it strongly. I know you can finance it through Google, but the average Joe Blow public won't do that,. They just want to walk into their carrier store, and leave with a new phone, all setup for them.

Putting it on Verizon only, we'll see how this plays out ?? Maybe like Apple starting off with ATT only and the iPhone originally, and eventually it got huge and on all carriers down the road. Maybe that's Google's plan ?
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The problem with duplicating what Apple did is that Pixel isn't iPhone. iPhone was amazing when it was first released. It was so much better than anything out there at the time.

The biggest issue here is Google is not in all carrier stores. You're 100% correct in the fact that people don't care about the cost they just want to walk in, walk out. That's the beauty of JUMP with T-Mobile. Every 6 months I simply walk in pay the taxes and walk out with a new device. It was a great to do that back in the day when I moved to T-Mobile. Got a Nexus 5. Used that for just under a year and got the Nexus 6. Since then Google has stopped selling devices through all the carriers and I don't have a Nexus anymore. Now the question is do I keep my G5 or do I move to a V20 simply because I can? It's not like I'm getting a Pixel.
 
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