If you want to switch from Windows to Linux but are not, why?

If you want to switch from Windows to Linux but are not, why?

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B00nie said:
Well it's true I've been using linux for only about 6 years. I have however managed to migrate several people from windows to full time linux users. How many have you?
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First off, I don't 'convert' people over. I suggest what may work better for them under their circumstances. I have been a major proponent for switching to Linux based systems for enterprises for decades. I have only suggested it to a couple thousand that I know of directly who switched. But please, tell your story again.
 
It's too hard to tell which version is right for me. I'll read about something, think I've made a choice, then some neck beard says something that makes me doubt my choice.

I get the whole idea of Linux is open source so you can make it whatever you want, but there needs to be one main option that is close to Windows backed up and supported by some central hub. Then, once people feel comfortable with it, they can venture to other versions.

Shits is too fragmented for me to waste my time.
 
BulletDust said:
I've been wanting to try Inkscape for quite some time, rather than download it from the Ubuntu Software Centre I decided to download it from launchpad so I could get the latest stable version. While I was at it I fired up Kazam, which is an awesome bit of capture software, to take a recording of the process for those confused about the process of using apt to download and install software.

Bear in mind that Launchpad assumes you have the necessary skill to type 'sudo apt install inkscape' so they don't provide the necessary text to copy/paste into the terminal. In every other instance there will be all three commands provided to copy/paste into the terminal, the commands can also be linked to run one after the other very simply by adding && between commands allowing for less copy/pasting.



As always, I'm only too happy to discuss openly the operation of Linux and try to clarify some of the tasks Windows users interested in transitioning may find daunting, however I'm not at all interested in defending myself against fanboi's hell bent on starting an argument. Reply in an open friendly manner, or understand that you are doing nothing to add to the discussion and I'll have no problem stating that I'm in no way interested in anything you have to say.
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I know Cortana isn't popular around here but she can be cool. I actually download a lot of stuff this way, "Hey Cortana, download Inkscape." About 8 clicks and a minute later the install is done. No typing.

BulletDust said:
Sorry about the delay exiting the terminal, I've got a Windows 10 laptop here that's boot looping as a result of a failed Windows AU update and a problem with a Norton Utilities driver and I'm hacking around in the CMD prompt while making the video....
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LOL! I really wish I had the numbers of failure rates with Windows 10 installs and updating. So far on a around 3 dozen machines over the last year I've never had a problem with the process. I know that plenty do but again, that's why I'd love to know the actually failure rate.
 
heatlesssun said:
I know Cortana isn't popular around here but she can be cool. I actually download a lot of stuff this way, "Hey Cortana, download Inkscape." About 8 clicks and a minute later the install is done. No typing.
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Cortana is not terrible, its more annoying in its placement and execution at times. I have used it with some modicum of success, but ultimately isn't much of a game changer for me yet. I think its a good idea that needs more refining.

heatlesssun said:
LOL! I really wish I had the numbers of failure rates with Windows 10 installs and updating. So far on a around 3 dozen machines over the last year I've never had a problem with the process. I know that plenty do but again, that's why I'd love to know the actually failure rate.
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The numbers would be extremely low when you factor in the total number of installations. It only seems like there are a lot because of the vast number of total systems out there. Also in his example, he shows a problem that even happens in Linux quite a bit. He has a an update that seems to be conflicting with another application. That really isn't Microsoft's problem, that is Norton's problem.
 
MisprintedLies said:
An interesting comparison is the ease of creating recovery media.
To acquire Windows, you would either pay for it and get the installation media, pay for it and get a digital download, have gotten the free upgrade, or got an OEM copy with your hardware. Want clean installation media? Download the Media Creation Tool and create a USB or DVD.
To acquire Linux, you would need to download it. (Correct me if I am wrong:) To download it, you would either download the official ISO or pick one of the USB creation tools like UNetBootin, Rufus, or another easy program. That is the installation media.
For macOS, you get your macOS with your device. If you need to recover, there is a recovery partition and there is network support at boot. However, to create the installation media seems more difficult to me than Windows or Linux: How to make your own bootable macOS 10.12 Sierra USB install drive
Seems like the macOS version is the most cumbersome.
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They (apple) do have network recovery as well. It's a pretty slick option. Of course that's only accepted/possible because of how they cultivated the Apple experience. (OS is free, hardware is theirs, placement separates it from a typical PC, etc...)

Otherwise, the usually recommended linux and macOS experiences are about the same for creating installation media. Typical instructions involve a terminal command of "take this iso, and write the contents to this device." Sure grandma won't have a good time, but it should be fine for anyone remotely enthusiastic about computers.
linux: #>sudo dd bs=1m if=my_downloaded_distro.iso of=/dev/drive_device
macOS: #>sudo /Applications/Install\ macOS\ Sierra.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/Untitled --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ macOS\ Sierra.app
both boiled down: #>program input output <enter>
 
NoOther said:
Cortana is not terrible, its more annoying in its placement and execution at times. I have used it with some modicum of success, but ultimately isn't much of a game changer for me yet. I think its a good idea that needs more refining.
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If it's used with a Microsoft account and multiple devices and with a Windows phone, there are some slick elements to it. Voice input reminders, automatic package tracking, voice command and control like opening programs, voice control in programs, etc. I use voice web searches constantly now and they work very well. Sure it's just a start but this is the kind of stuff that I think represents the future of computing.

NoOther said:
The numbers would be extremely low when you factor in the total number of installations. It only seems like there are a lot because of the vast number of total systems out there. Also in his example, he shows a problem that even happens in Linux quite a bit. He has a an update that seems to be conflicting with another application. That really isn't Microsoft's problem, that is Norton's problem.
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I agree.
 
Frobozz said:
I think that same type of logic was used earlier in the thread. "Drivers don't exist for my <thing>" - "Well <company> didn't make them" - "Doesn't matter, linux experience is still broken"
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People aren't that interested in the precise targeting of blame when they simply want something to work. Likewise if there's a 3rd party failure in something that doesn't work in Windows, it's Microsoft's fault.
 
MisprintedLies said:
That's probably not a battle you want to have. To me, the Windows version of that statement would either be the number of people someone on the Windows side had migrated to Windows 10 from an earlier version or the number of people introduced to or set up on Windows. I would nearly feel like it's cheating as I'm involved in setting up new hires on their Windows laptops. We have industry-specific software for which there is no open-source or Linux substitute. Unfortunately, even a couple of our cloud based services "require" Internet Explorer (they do a check and require MSXML, VBVM, and ActiveX Common Controls). Besides, one of the (desktop/laptop) Linux arguments is that the number of people using a thing does not imply the quality of the thing.
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Oh no, you completely misunderstood. Are you saying now you're taking the credit for MS forcing Win10 down their throats with anything from false advertising to unwarranted upgrades? It's not an achievement to 'get' someone to use the system every bottom feeder on this planet uses by default anyway. Actually, getting someone to use a software that is built to support only IE is a down right crime. Those developers should really be shot, they've caused huge grief and millions of dollars in losses to countless companies.
 
B00nie said:
Oh no, you completely misunderstood. Are you saying now you're taking the credit for MS forcing Win10 down their throats with anything from false advertising to unwarranted upgrades? It's not an achievement to 'get' someone to use the system every bottom feeder on this planet uses by default anyway. Actually, getting someone to use a software that is built to support only IE is a down right crime. Those developers should really be shot, they've caused huge grief and millions of dollars in losses to countless companies.
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And yet my Win10 systems use Chrome with no problems whatsoever. I guess I am just one of the lucky millions it works for....

Not to mention the numerous false statements you keep making about Windows and Linux, who is the one that really is doing more false advertising here?
 
NoOther said:
How is that a No? The software center uses Aptitude. Only software designed for aptitude and accepted by debian will work with aptitude. Any software that has not yet been accepted by Debian, will not work with aptitude and will not auto update.
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As yet, I haven't seen a package that doesn't work with apt - You can install almost everything you need conveniently packaged with apt. Sometimes you find yourself using .deb installers, which are nice with their GUI interface just like Windows, however software installed using .deb will not update along with system updates - nine times out of ten you can choose between apt or .deb anyway. The only software I've even had to compile was Z80 SIM, which is an extremely old school Z80 simulator, and a Matrix screensaver, which was actually really cool.

[Edit] Thinking about it, I installed Chrome using a .deb installer and that auto updates all the time as part of system updates...?

MisprintedLies said:
That's probably not a battle you want to have. To me, the Windows version of that statement would either be the number of people someone on the Windows side had migrated to Windows 10 from an earlier version or the number of people introduced to or set up on Windows. I would nearly feel like it's cheating as I'm involved in setting up new hires on their Windows laptops. We have industry-specific software for which there is no open-source or Linux substitute. Unfortunately, even a couple of our cloud based services "require" Internet Explorer (they do a check and require MSXML, VBVM, and ActiveX Common Controls). Besides, one of the (desktop/laptop) Linux arguments is that the number of people using a thing does not imply the quality of the thing.
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Ugh, I can't stand it when IE is a requirement - It's not even supported by Microsoft anymore and some industries just cannot let go of that legacy requirement....

MisprintedLies said:
An interesting comparison is the ease of creating recovery media.
To acquire Windows, you would either pay for it and get the installation media, pay for it and get a digital download, have gotten the free upgrade, or got an OEM copy with your hardware. Want clean installation media? Download the Media Creation Tool and create a USB or DVD.
To acquire Linux, you would need to download it. (Correct me if I am wrong:) To download it, you would either download the official ISO or pick one of the USB creation tools like UNetBootin, Rufus, or another easy program. That is the installation media.
For macOS, you get your macOS with your device. If you need to recover, there is a recovery partition and there is network support at boot. However, to create the installation media seems more difficult to me than Windows or Linux: How to make your own bootable macOS 10.12 Sierra USB install drive
Seems like the macOS version is the most cumbersome.
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When it comes to OSX or macOS, creating boot media is one of those scenarios where the terminal is an absolute necessity - As I've stated many times, OSX and macOS require use of the terminal almost as much as Linux if you want to do anything beyond the basics.

Is it frowned upon that I still use optical media to install my operating systems...? Just remember, one of the strengths of Linux is that everything is a file, it's very easy to back up a couple of directories, keep your /HOME on a separate partition, and you can reinstall the whole OS back to where you were in about 45 mins - Software applications and settings included.

OEM said:
It's too hard to tell which version is right for me. I'll read about something, think I've made a choice, then some neck beard says something that makes me doubt my choice.

I get the whole idea of Linux is open source so you can make it whatever you want, but there needs to be one main option that is close to Windows backed up and supported by some central hub. Then, once people feel comfortable with it, they can venture to other versions.

Shits is too fragmented for me to waste my time.
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Once you start using Linux, you quickly realise that the fact you have so many distro's to choose from is, once again, one of it's strengths. Operation of the OS is still the same, applets are in the same place using similar methods to access them, it's just the bells and whistles that are different - As I've stated in the past, no different to Windows running Winblinds. Personally, I wouldn't have it any other way.

heatlesssun said:
I know Cortana isn't popular around here but she can be cool. I actually download a lot of stuff this way, "Hey Cortana, download Inkscape." About 8 clicks and a minute later the install is done. No typing.



LOL! I really wish I had the numbers of failure rates with Windows 10 installs and updating. So far on a around 3 dozen machines over the last year I've never had a problem with the process. I know that plenty do but again, that's why I'd love to know the actually failure rate.
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I can't talk to my PC heatlesssun, I just can't do it...I feel like an idiot asking my PC to do stuff. I don't even use that feature on my phone...

As for W10 update failure rates, I've had a couple of machines with issues, usually the OS is a write off if things go wrong as a result of an update - However I wouldn't say the failure rate is very high. Usually the failure is a result of the update process being interrupted. I'm over this laptop, ringing the client this morning and informing them that I'm backing up their user profile and reinstalling Windows...:mad:
 
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MisprintedLies said:
For macOS, you get your macOS with your device. If you need to recover, there is a recovery partition and there is network support at boot. However, to create the installation media seems more difficult to me than Windows or Linux: How to make your own bootable macOS 10.12 Sierra USB install drive
Seems like the macOS version is the most cumbersome.
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There are tools available to create the USB installation media just like tools available for Windows as well as Linux distributions. The only issue overall is that Apple does not release OSX or macOS in terms of you downloading a traditional ISO so, what you do actually download (a .app file) needs to be transferred over to the USB stick and made bootable (it's just a big format/copy operation more than anything else).

It is possible rather easily to create an actual bootable ISO if needed, it's just a batch file with about 12 commands (can be done as a batch file without much fuss). Because I use OSX/macOS in VMs and I prefer to install the OS totally clean for actual use that requires an ISO for VMware Workstation so I had to get some learning on to figure out how to create the ISO properly from the .app distribution file. Apple made changes over the years and they love to throw a wrench into the process sometimes and it requires a change or two to those 12 commands or else you end up wasting your time altogether in the process and get a bogus ISO that just won't work for whatever reason.

As soon as the final release of Sierra became available I grabbed the .app distribution file from my iTunes App Store account, ran the batch file and in about 7 minutes had the ISO ready to go, saved to a network share through the VM and then I exited (that was my El Capitan VM) and created a new VM for Sierra and in about 12 minutes it was up and running without issues.
 
I use a bootable USB when working on Mac's. The ability to perform a web recovery is great, but based on my crappy interwebz it's far faster just to use a bootable USB.
 
BulletDust said:
I can't talk to my PC heatlesssun, I just can't do it...I feel like an idiot asking my PC to do stuff. I don't even use that feature on my phone...
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I get that it's something most current generations aren't used to doing. But the technology is sufficient enough for it to be practical once free of the cultural constraints.
 
heatlesssun said:
I get that it's something most current generations aren't used to doing. But the technology is sufficient enough for it to be practical once free of the cultural constraints.
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Now if I could ask my PC to make me a coffee or fetch me a beer, that might be useful..... :)
 
NoOther said:
Also in his example, he shows a problem that even happens in Linux quite a bit. He has a an update that seems to be conflicting with another application.
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Nothing's conflicting, the security key has expired on a PPA that's been added and I'm quite simply too lazy to either remove the PPA altogether or update the security key. PPA's and security keys are one of the features of Linux that makes it more secure than Windows.

Windows needs something similar.

[EDIT] Fixed the security key issue with insync, I use that package a lot, need it to be able to update....
 
MisprintedLies said:
I would nearly feel like it's cheating as I'm involved in setting up new hires on their Windows laptops. We have industry-specific software for which there is no open-source or Linux substitute. Unfortunately, even a couple of our cloud based services "require" Internet Explorer (they do a check and require MSXML, VBVM, and ActiveX Common Controls). Besides, one of the (desktop/laptop) Linux arguments is that the number of people using a thing does not imply the quality of the thing.
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Hi fellow deployments buddy.

We're mostly a Mac shop, but we have certain departments that their preferred/required tools are Windows-based. Luckily for me we are also an agile, fast-moving company, so when a new OS comes out we pilot and standardize on it pretty fast. We has users on Windows 10 the very first day of the free upgrade period, and it was our standard within a couple of weeks. We've proved an interesting challenge for some of the companies we get solutions from; one vendor didn't have signed kernel drivers for their tool, and when Win10 AU brought this to light during a clean install, our IT Sec guys went back to them with stern looks. We had signed drivers soon after. 8)

The irony with our company is our main software product is built on Linux, but hardly anyone in the company actually uses Linux. This is not by edict or corporate policy. New hires and existing employees are welcome to run whatever distro they want, they just prefer not to. A user left recently and when we got their laptop back it had Fedora on it. It solicited a collective "wow" from the team. Most of the team wasn't even employed there the last time a Linux laptop crossed the service desk.
 
What's the big deal with installation & deployment? Running the thing is what matters. Airlines have broken my laptop too many times, so now I travel without hardware. I have Linux Mint installed on a USB flash drive, a portable OS with all my work & settings. There are computers everywhere these days, I just boot it off any machine at my clients offices. Try doing that with Windows 10. In fact I did, I forced a w10 installation onto a very fast flash drive, it was thrashing so much that it was unusable. Guess what, XP runs fine in a flash drive as a VM under Linux host.
 
reb00tin said:
What's the big deal with installation & deployment? Running the thing is what matters. Airlines have broken my laptop too many times, so now I travel without hardware.
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Not sure what airlines you use, but we have a global sales team that do a healthy amount of flying, and in the years I've been supporting them we have had exactly one instance of a laptop problem on a flight, and it was the employee's fault. Heck, I've lugged my 17" MacBook Pro on flights and even unprotected it's gone through airport security in that plastic bin with no scratches or anything.

~shrug~
 
SuperSubZero said:
Not sure what airlines you use, but we have a global sales team that do a healthy amount of flying, and in the years I've been supporting them we have had exactly one instance of a laptop problem on a flight, and it was the employee's fault. Heck, I've lugged my 17" MacBook Pro on flights and even unprotected it's gone through airport security in that plastic bin with no scratches or anything.

~shrug~
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You're right, laptops never break or get stolen.

You could save a lot of money by giving your employees just a portable OS on a flash drive. Are you any good with sudo?
 
reb00tin said:
You're right, laptops never break or get stolen.
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I took your "Airlines have broken my laptop too many times" to mean like, 35 times, thirty-five. times. You flew and had the airline "break" your laptop. I mean like drop it and shatter the screen or smash it or it fell out of the plane or something.

That's way, way extreme.

You could save a lot of money by giving your employees just a portable OS on a flash drive. Are you any good with sudo?
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USB sticks are amazingly unproductive on the plane and at the airport. If it's a simple matter of "having data at the destination" we use cloud services heavily and their data is *always* at the destination. Laptops are about being able to get work done at the airport and on the plane. You've apparently flown before, maybe you're familiar with spending unexpectedly long times at the airport.

(35 times? Really? That's a lot of laptops!)
 
Finally back home and using Linux again. Shame my Braodcom network stick won't work, but other than that, it's working as it should.

I had one small hiccup and it kinda made me laugh. My mouse config file wasn't changing my mouse sensitivity on boot up anymore and I couldn't figure out why.. when I plugged my devices back in I used a different USB port so my device ID changed.

Live and learn!

I kinda feel that learning a new OS gives me that sense of excitement through exploration I once felt when windows was new. Guess I'm just crazy lol
 
auntjemima said:
Finally back home and using Linux again. Shame my Braodcom network stick won't work, but other than that, it's working as it should.

I had one small hiccup and it kinda made me laugh. My mouse config file wasn't changing my mouse sensitivity on boot up anymore and I couldn't figure out why.. when I plugged my devices back in I used a different USB port so my device ID changed.

Live and learn!

I kinda feel that learning a new OS gives me that sense of excitement through exploration I once felt when windows was new. Guess I'm just crazy lol
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You can use udev to help you out with that. Make a script that will change your settings, then make a udev rule that when it detects your mouse is plugged in, will run the script. Here is an example: Linux: How to use different mouse acceleration for the touchpad and the USB mouse
 
I haven't tried that yet, but I appreciate the help! When I get around to it I'll let you know how it goes. I read a bit of the start and it seems pretty simple!
 
auntjemima said:
I haven't tried that yet, but I appreciate the help! When I get around to it I'll let you know how it goes. I read a bit of the start and it seems pretty simple!
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Learning to how udev works and creating rules for it can help you further customize your Linux build to the way you like it, especially with starting up certain services or configuring devices at startup.
 
I'll preface this by saying I am rather well versed in the terminal and I dont shy from it. None of my post proceeding this will be a terminal rant.

A few days ago I decided I would head back to Mint (18.. Ubuntu 16) because I play very few games and the rest of the OS does what I need (or so I thought).

In the last few days I have spent around 4 hours a night typing in the console, using the software manager, downloading packages from all over to resolve issues that IMO should be issues. I want to use Widevine with Chromium to watch Netflix, Install and use AceStream to stream NFL and have sound play from both speakers simultaneously. All of these features appear to working in Ubuntu 14, as every guide or tutorial out there is written for that version. However, in 16, none of them work. In most cases the files they want me to download have been updated and I have located the updated packages and edited the required terminal commands myself when the originals failed. Widevine and AceStream have numerous guides for this and none work.. not only do they not work, but they randomly stop Software Manager from working (I resolved these myself). My speakers work fine in Windows 7 and they used to work in Mint, on my previous install, but not this time. Now I get right speaker audio if they are plugged into my front ports and left audio when plugged into the read. Alsamixer and copious other suggestions have fixed nothing.

Back to Windows it seems, because installing 2 programs and having working audio should not take upwards of 20 hours. It was fun playing with it, but as mentioned countless times, its not mainstream ready.
 
auntjemima said:
I'll preface this by saying I am rather well versed in the terminal and I dont shy from it. None of my post proceeding this will be a terminal rant.

A few days ago I decided I would head back to Mint (18.. Ubuntu 16) because I play very few games and the rest of the OS does what I need (or so I thought).

In the last few days I have spent around 4 hours a night typing in the console, using the software manager, downloading packages from all over to resolve issues that IMO should be issues. I want to use Widevine with Chromium to watch Netflix, Install and use AceStream to stream NFL and have sound play from both speakers simultaneously. All of these features appear to working in Ubuntu 14, as every guide or tutorial out there is written for that version. However, in 16, none of them work. In most cases the files they want me to download have been updated and I have located the updated packages and edited the required terminal commands myself when the originals failed. Widevine and AceStream have numerous guides for this and none work.. not only do they not work, but they randomly stop Software Manager from working (I resolved these myself). My speakers work fine in Windows 7 and they used to work in Mint, on my previous install, but not this time. Now I get right speaker audio if they are plugged into my front ports and left audio when plugged into the read. Alsamixer and copious other suggestions have fixed nothing.

Back to Windows it seems, because installing 2 programs and having working audio should not take upwards of 20 hours. It was fun playing with it, but as mentioned countless times, its not mainstream ready.
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Why not just use Chrome to watch Netflix? I've never used Acestream so I really can't comment, although it looks as though it hasn't been properly supported since Ubuntu 13.04. Are you installing software from PPA using apt or are you compiling software to install?

This is the odd thing, over the weekend I retired my Windows 7 based HTPC, as Media Browser is no longer supported, and replaced the install with Ubuntu MATE 16.04 running Kodi with MythTV as the backend for the PVR. Now I'll be honest, I had a hell time getting my WinTV-HVR-2200 DVB digital TV tuner card working under Linux, a hell of a time - But the thing is, when planning everything out in my head I knew I would have a hell of a time getting the tuner card working as it's a fairly obscure item of hardware that's bound to be poorly supported under Linux. But I expected issues, I worked through them, and as it stands now I've got a HTPC running about 90% the way I want it to run and it's far lighter on resources than Windows 7. It was actually far easier getting IPTV working under Kodi, the issue is that internet in Australia is such rubbish that it just sucks too much bandwidth out of the connection when the whole families accessing the internet of an evening.

I had to go through and change the coverart on over 300 movies from .png to .jpg as Kodi refuses to read coverart that's not jpeg! That was painful, let me tell you....

Acestream sounds like a software package not used by many with a fair learning curve regarding setup, I'd expect to have issues and I'd expect to spend quite a bit of time working through them - Did you not expect to run into problems? And having said that, I remember when setting up my Windows 7 based HTPC years ago I had a hell of a time getting 5.1 audio via bitstream out of the HDMI port, it took me the good part of a couple of days worth of troubleshooting before I found the right codec pack, installed by ignoring the instructions provided, to get bitstream multichannel audio via HDMI.

There was also the time I had issues with my previous Winfast DTV1000S DVB digital tuner cards and an almost complete lack of driver support under Windows, that was fun [not].

That's the thing with PC's and hometheater, in many ways their flexibility makes them a nightmare to configure no matter what the OS.

Here's some of my results so far, still a work in progress. You know whats odd, I swear the image quality from the HTPC under Linux is sharper than it was on the same HTPC running Windows....



 
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BulletDust said:
I had to go through and change the coverart on over 300 movies from .png to .jpg as Kodi refuses to read coverart that's not jpeg! That was painful, let me tell you....
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I thought linux made this chore a single command on terminal.
mogrify -format jpg *.png
 
I actually don't have many limitations that would prevent me from switching. I wouldn't switch the OS on my main PC. I would like to get back to working with Linux more extensively.
 
B00nie said:
I thought linux made this chore a single command on terminal.
mogrify -format jpg *.png
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The media server's a Windows based machine, I guess I could have accessed the shared folder and modified the files using terminal - But honestly, I didn't think of that. [EDIT] - Looks like I can install imageMagick on the Windows based server and use the same CMD line tools, that could be very handy.

I actually have some more files to modify, I'm gonna install ImageMagick and give that a go, cheers. :)
 
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Seriously thinking about it.

The past week of working at my PC has been a clustertruck because of Windows 10 Enterprise.

Need to reboot during the day to fix something. Forced to choose "install updates" because it failed outside of active hours.

Select it. Wait 5-10 minutes for it to finish. Fails again.

Wait another 5-10 minutes for it to roll back the failed changes.

Finally up 20 minutes later. God forbid I need to reboot again, because even when it doesn't say "..and install updates" it STILL attempts the failed update.
 
Spidey329 said:
Seriously thinking about it.

The past week of working at my PC has been a clustertruck because of Windows 10 Enterprise.

Need to reboot during the day to fix something. Forced to choose "install updates" because it failed outside of active hours.

Select it. Wait 5-10 minutes for it to finish. Fails again.

Wait another 5-10 minutes for it to roll back the failed changes.

Finally up 20 minutes later. God forbid I need to reboot again, because even when it doesn't say "..and install updates" it STILL attempts the failed update.
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While I hate Windows 10 with a passion I think you need to boot into safe mode and delete the softwaredistribution folder as it sounds like the patch it's trying to install it corrupt. Win10, for me at least, seems to fuck up that folder more often than a birds shit on cars. I've had to do that on at least a half dozen laptops at work in the last month and it doesn't matter if it was a custom build by me or a system using the companies standard image.

Only problem is if it even fixes your problem Win10 will still do whatever the hell it wants to do when it wants to do it. My wife nearly had a heart attack earlier this week while working on a grad student paper. No warning, no nothing, and most definitely NOT during the off hours...Win10 rebooted on her in the middle of working on that paper. Thankfully my wife has paid attention when I teach her things like CTRL+S (sadly something 90% of the population doesn't know exists). I managed to make that a habit that she just does without thinking about it (which is why she nearly had a heart attack because she didn't realize she did it and thought she lost like an hours worth of work). So in the end she lost two sentences but lost about 20 minutes due to the updates.
 
It`s a big thread about why do you don`t want to use linux (ubuntu etc). But i need any info why linux and freeware is better for Windows. I don`t want to look for hours in forums how to implement my videocard, for example. So, what are the reasoning behind changin your OS? (for personal use, for server obviously Linux do a better job)?
 
Trendsetted said:
It`s a big thread about why do you don`t want to use linux (ubuntu etc). But i need any info why linux and freeware is better for Windows. I don`t want to look for hours in forums how to implement my videocard, for example. So, what are the reasoning behind changin your OS? (for personal use, for server obviously Linux do a better job)?
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For SW development using multi OS SDK Linux is a better choice. It has better support for git, ssh, command line bash etc.
 
almalino said:
For SW development using multi OS SDK Linux is a better choice. It has better support for git, ssh, command line bash etc.
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I`m talking about an ordinary user with their office software and not carrying much about hashes and stuff. There are plenty desktop versions for users but are they better for an account firm or any other business.
 
Trendsetted said:
I`m talking about an ordinary user with their office software and not carrying much about hashes and stuff. There are plenty desktop versions for users but are they better for an account firm or any other business.
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For an ordinary people I believe Windows is a better choice still. It has better UI , has more drivers and has perfect support for games :)
 
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