RIAA Takes On Stream-Ripping In Copyright Lawsuit

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The Recording Industry Association of America is going after companies that allow you to convert YouTube videos into MP3s. At least the RIAA isn't suing people that are using the conversion tools....yet.

[Youtube-mp3.org] is raking in millions on the backs of artists, songwriters, and labels. We are doing our part, but everyone in the music ecosystem who says they believe that artists should be compensated for their work has a role to play. It should not be so easy to engage in this activity in the first place, and no stream-ripping site should appear at the top of any search result or app chart.
 
Ripping a youtube video seems like a lot of work when you could just pay a couple of bucks a month to get all the music you could ever want.

Is this actually an issue or are RIAA executives just trying to justify their salaries?
 
NeoNemesis said:
Ripping a youtube video seems like a lot of work when you could just pay a couple of bucks a month to get all the music you could ever want.

Is this actually an issue or are RIAA executives just trying to justify their salaries?
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Basically, there are programs that can download the videos. This is what I used before when I wanted to make a ringtone form a clip of a video.

Then I used a video to WAV convertor to save the audio and then a WAV editor to edit the audio, get the clip, and make a loop of the clip I wanted.

It looks like there are programs now that can rip the video and rip the audio out in one fell swoop.

Still seems like kind of a long process to go through just to get the audio.

I'm sure there are people that do it, but the RIAA going after the software companies is not really going to do anything but make people hate the RIAA even more.
 
Who needs a stream ripping site to do this? Just use JDownloader2 and enable the clipboard observer feature. CTRL-C the Youtube URL and bingo, all streams are shown in JDownloader, ready for download direct from the source.
 
There are plenty of browser add-ons that do this for free. The developers aren't making any money off of it. The RIAA is an organization that has outlived it's usefulness and really needs to die. At least the MPAA provides some service to it's member companies. The RIAA does nothing but whine about how things were better for their members back when their member companies had a stranglehold on the music business.
 
Well even if they used something new like Vermona DRM the fact remains, you can't plug the analog hole still. Not only that but I can think of one more way to get the same with software and about 3 more ways analog. At best the RIAA will only catch the "stupid" people.
 
Those sweet crocodile tears pretending that artists would be compensated if youtube didn't exist. Publishers were screwing over song artists long before streaming was a thing. I imagine most artists would rather have some youtube popularity, rather than the $0.24 annual paycheck they get for streaming.
 
Azrak said:
Who needs a stream ripping site to do this? Just use JDownloader2 and enable the clipboard observer feature. CTRL-C the Youtube URL and bingo, all streams are shown in JDownloader, ready for download direct from the source.
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I know right, it even works well in Linux. I mean, I would never do such a thing as download YouTube videos cause that's wrong. I do it for... educational purposes. Yea, that's it, education.
 
cyclone3d said:
Basically, there are programs that can download the videos. This is what I used before when I wanted to make a ringtone form a clip of a video.

Then I used a video to WAV convertor to save the audio and then a WAV editor to edit the audio, get the clip, and make a loop of the clip I wanted.

It looks like there are programs now that can rip the video and rip the audio out in one fell swoop.

Still seems like kind of a long process to go through just to get the audio.

I'm sure there are people that do it, but the RIAA going after the software companies is not really going to do anything but make people hate the RIAA even more.
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Didn't you read the article???? You're taking MILLIONS from artists pockets... How do you sleep at night.
 
actually this may fall under the same rights and laws as recording TV for home use or recording songs off the radio to your cassette player.. The stream rippers don't rip and then sell the songs, they are simply the tool given to end users to "record" the public broadcasts
 
Ok, I highly doubt that YouTube-mp3.com is making millions of dollars. They have like one ad and don't charge for the conversion.


H-street said:
actually this may fall under the same rights and laws as recording TV for home use or recording songs off the radio to your cassette player.. The stream rippers don't rip and then sell the songs, they are simply the tool given to end users to "record" the public broadcasts
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I can already see how that will go. The RIAA would likely argue that it's not fair use because it's not a recording of the audio feed (e.g. using the lineout or "what you hear" feature). These tools extract the audio track of the video and then convert to MP3 (if necessary).
 
didn't they fight this fight back in the day with cassette recorders and loose? same with VHS tapes and the ability to record? I thought if it's being broadcast freely over the waves you can record it for personal playback. Maybe that ruling needs to be expanded to the internet now.
 
So if ripping the stream is pirating, doesn't that mean that the RIAA's clients are the ones sending data to pirates? How does this not make them evil heartless filesharer's themselves. :D
 
Right, so how are people supposed to to video response videos if they can't record and edit videos they are responding too?
 
reminds me of a parody some years ago that had mock artists complaining that they can't afford fuel for their jet, etc.
(this was when Metallica was going after "pirates" and Napster)

that said, I use youtube-dl (linux) mainly so I can preload it on my phone for long roadtrips where LTE/WiFi isn't really available.
 
The way I see it, by principle, this is the same as the Sony/Betamax case. Thus the RIAA should have no chance of winning.
 
-PK- said:
Those sweet crocodile tears pretending that artists would be compensated if youtube didn't exist. Publishers were screwing over song artists long before streaming was a thing. I imagine most artists would rather have some youtube popularity, rather than the $0.24 annual paycheck they get for streaming.
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It's not like anyone is forcing them to put their music on youtube, but they know damn well, that it's a great form of advertisement for the music.I'm sure for every 12 rips of the stream, there are at least a few purchases. And it's even possible that the person ripping the music to mp3 later purchased it. They can't know that. They're pulling numbers from their asses as usual, and expect us to feel guilty. Well I don't.
This is like the RIAA going after Panasonic for making VHS recorders in 1990, that they make money off, and people can use those evil machines to record videoclips from MTV, when actually music television was playing music videos, and not SJW propaganda.
 
cyclone3d said:
Basically, there are programs that can download the videos. This is what I used before when I wanted to make a ringtone form a clip of a video.

Then I used a video to WAV convertor to save the audio and then a WAV editor to edit the audio, get the clip, and make a loop of the clip I wanted.

It looks like there are programs now that can rip the video and rip the audio out in one fell swoop.

Still seems like kind of a long process to go through just to get the audio.

I'm sure there are people that do it, but the RIAA going after the software companies is not really going to do anything but make people hate the RIAA even more.
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I use this site for videos that won't download from my plugin in my browser,
All you do is put "magic" inbetween you and tube in youtube, it will look like this www.youmagictube.com/..............
have your ad block on as this site will pop up ads and pages like crazy

save-video.jpg
 
MoFoQ said:
reminds me of a parody some years ago that had mock artists complaining that they can't afford fuel for their jet, etc.
(this was when Metallica was going after "pirates" and Napster)

that said, I use youtube-dl (linux) mainly so I can preload it on my phone for long roadtrips where LTE/WiFi isn't really available.
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It was southpark... And like all the issues they poke fun at, they fucking nailed it.
 
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when are they going to realize that if we want free music, we are going to get free music.. nothing they can do will stop it
 
Azrak said:
Who needs a stream ripping site to do this? Just use JDownloader2 and enable the clipboard observer feature. CTRL-C the Youtube URL and bingo, all streams are shown in JDownloader, ready for download direct from the source.
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Who needs Jdownloader when I can just ctrl+p the youtube link into this site and instantly get a download button for the full mp3.
 
NeoNemesis said:
Ripping a youtube video seems like a lot of work when you could just pay a couple of bucks a month to get all the music you could ever want.

Is this actually an issue or are RIAA executives just trying to justify their salaries?
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Unfortunately not every song is available on every streaming site. There's lots of attempts at exclusivity contracts. What's worse is some songs are stuck behind arcane agreements that stipulate it cannot be broadcast in certain countries or mediums. For instance some bands might have scored the soundtrack to a movie, well the movie owns the copyright on those tracks, not the label. The MPAA doesnt have any particularly good broadcast contracts in place, so sometimes you are stuck not being able to find any streaming site or even legal downloads for the soundtrack at all! You literally just have to watch the movie. Herego someone uploads youtube versions of it and presto we can rip them. There have been plenty of songs that for one reason or another were released through empty youtube videos, perhaps for free, perhaps for ad revenue, who knows (usually indie stuff). Point is you cant get it anywhere else.

Also apps require maintenance. If youtube updates something it often breaks app compatibility. Or sometimes the app author sells out and his app becomes a trojan horse.
 
CannibalTrout said:
didn't they fight this fight back in the day with cassette recorders and loose? same with VHS tapes and the ability to record? I thought if it's being broadcast freely over the waves you can record it for personal playback. Maybe that ruling needs to be expanded to the internet now.
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Yes they did and they won. They were able to impose taxes on recording hardware as well as media.

But now that the movie and music industry rely on the computer industry to create the solutions they can't get shit. "Audio" CD-R's was the last thing they were able to latch on to and everyone snubbed their nose at it.

VHS decks, CD recorder decks, cassettes, VHS, it all had taxes built-in and the RIAA made tons of cash off of it for decades.
 
If Mega had a search engine I wouldn't have to rip stuff of YouTube, Spotify, Apple Music.......

See, I'm helping with solutions......
 
Azrak said:
Who needs a stream ripping site to do this? Just use JDownloader2 and enable the clipboard observer feature. CTRL-C the Youtube URL and bingo, all streams are shown in JDownloader, ready for download direct from the source.
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I use stream ripping sites, cause I can't view all music videos cause of the GEMA (Germany's version of RIAA). Essentially the video gets blocked cause the artist didn't sign up through GEMA to prove they are them or some shit like that. So tons of videos are block.

A way around that is just to use a stream ripping site, since majority are outside of Germany.
 
Why use these video to mp3 converting sites when you can just use Audacity's recording and save the file in preferred format?
 
why not sue youtube for uploading videos with audio? well let RIAA cry.....this is like pulling out weeds in mid summer. as soon as you pull one out, another d/l site will sprout. thanks napster, you will not be forgotten
 
RPGWiZaRD said:
Why use these video to mp3 converting sites when you can just use Audacity's recording and save the file in preferred format?
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Live in Germany where probably half the videos out there are blocked. Converting sites are like a proxy. You can just use them to download the video, so you can see what the video even is. That or you'll need something else to fake being elsewhere. I've used TunnelBear before to fake being in the US, so I could buy uncensored games over Steam.
 
krotch said:
Live in Germany where probably half the videos out there are blocked. Converting sites are like a proxy. You can just use them to download the video, so you can see what the video even is. That or you'll need something else to fake being elsewhere. I've used TunnelBear before to fake being in the US, so I could buy uncensored games over Steam.
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Youtube in germany is absolutely ridiciolous. About 80% of content completely unavailable. And it's not just blocked. It's like the videos don't even exist, they don't show up in searches or when viewing a channel.
 
M76 said:
Youtube in germany is absolutely ridiciolous. About 80% of content completely unavailable. And it's not just blocked. It's like the videos don't even exist, they don't show up in searches or when viewing a channel.
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Ya, it can be super annoying. A lot of ppl just have some kind of VPN service to get around it. I don't feel like paying for any of it, so just download the video.
 
CannibalTrout said:
didn't they fight this fight back in the day with cassette recorders and loose? same with VHS tapes and the ability to record? I thought if it's being broadcast freely over the waves you can record it for personal playback. Maybe that ruling needs to be expanded to the internet now.
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Remember the DMCA? No, you can't legally record something broacast freely over the air; at least not video or digital audio. Unless they think it's OK. That's what all the HDCP connection fuss is all about; they had a bill passed forcing companies to cease making recording devices with analog connections. This way, they get to decide if you're allowed to record something, or not.

Taldren said:
Right, so how are people supposed to to video response videos if they can't record and edit videos they are responding too?
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They don't care if anyone watches video response videos. I for one, can't imagine why anyone would watch someone else watching a video, either.
NeghVar said:
The way I see it, by principle, this is the same as the Sony/Betamax case. Thus the RIAA should have no chance of winning.
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Ahh, but the studios DID get the DMCA passed through congress by lobbying enough. Pay enough people, get the laws you want.
Snakebyt said:
when are they going to realize that if we want free music, we are going to get free music.. nothing they can do will stop it
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No, they know they can't stop it. But they're fighting for their company's very existance, and their nice, cushy jobs. If they don't make enough noise, their members will stop paying them. Who's going to hire an unemployed whiner?
 
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