LG's 2016 OLED series (E6,B6,G6,C6)

You ahould be able to set it up what ever way you want it to scale or bot scale and have black bars. What issue are you having?
1440p automatically changes to 30hz which means 30fps when gaming
Then same thing happened with last years LG LED but you could over come the problem by changing the source name to PC and changing the aspect ratio to Just Scan
Problem with the B6 is you can't change the aspect ratio to just scan
You can turn it on or off but the aspect ratio options for 16.9 etc are still there
 
So if anyone else is having issues with the display losing connectivity in between launching games, transitions, etc, set your display in nvidia control panel to 59hz. Fixes it all up. Make sure you have audio turned off too for that hdmi output.
 
Yes runs 1080 and 2160 @ 60Hz no problem
it's when I change to 1440 or any other PC resolution that it changes to 30Hz

Have you tried deleting 1440p with CRU? If it disappears completely after restart, you may have to add it back with a 60hz refresh rate. But my guess is that if you delete it completely in the EDID, Nvidia will still list it as a GPU scaled resolution.
 
So if anyone else is having issues with the display losing connectivity in between launching games, transitions, etc, set your display in nvidia control panel to 59hz. Fixes it all up. Make sure you have audio turned off too for that hdmi output.

There was a firmware update, I believe it starts with a 4, which eliminates the need to turn off the audio or do the 59hz trick.
 
No one really knows, but you can make an educated guess by looking at the price history for last year's models on camelcamelcamel. There weren't any real deep discounts, these aren't sets that go on sale on black friday for instance. For the most part they're pretty steady. Another drop will happen but it's anybody's guess when. Holiday buying season? Who knows.

If you really want to save money you have to wait until next year's models show up.
 
Can somebody compare the motion blur they get with a 60hz OLED TV gaming to a 120hz or 144hz monitor? Is it as bad as a normal monitor @ 60HZ?

Using this TV as a monitor in fast FPS probably isn't the right answer is what I am afraid of... but I want one :)
 
Well, pulled th trigger on a C. Couldn't wait any longer, the wife was complaining about not having a tv in the living room. Picked it up for a cool $2.5k, more than I wanted to pay, but oh well.
 
Well all in all C and B should be the same. Brigher and better uniformity? I dont think so. More people just have the B so there are more possible uniformity probs ^^. Its all in the statistics.

Another question: if I connect the B6 to my pc (970GTX) and select 1080@60hz what does the B6 do? Does it upscale to 4k or can it show 1080p? For example when streaming football in 720p or 1080p via HDMI 1.4 I cant select 4k@60hz on the B6, only 4k@24-30hz or 1080p@60hz. So what does the B6 do then?

Probleminfected. 2,5k for a C is a great prize. No chance in Germany under 3k.....I am closing in on the B6 for 2,5k though :) Only a matter of days/weeks now I hope!
 
Well all in all C and B should be the same. Brigher and better uniformity? I dont think so. More people just have the B so there are more possible uniformity probs ^^. Its all in the statistics.

Another question: if I connect the B6 to my pc (970GTX) and select 1080@60hz what does the B6 do? Does it upscale to 4k or can it show 1080p? For example when streaming football in 720p or 1080p via HDMI 1.4 I cant select 4k@60hz on the B6, only 4k@24-30hz or 1080p@60hz. So what does the B6 do then?

Probleminfected. 2,5k for a C is a great prize. No chance in Germany under 3k.....I am closing in on the B6 for 2,5k though :) Only a matter of days/weeks now I hope!
If you have display scaling selected in the NVCP then the TV should switch resolutions.

But the HDMI output on the GTX 970 is 2.0, so you should be able to select 4K @ 60 Hz.
 
Yeah thx for the info. Dont have a HDMI 2.0 cable yet was just curious though. So I select 1080@60hz and activate that scaling stuff and the TV outputs at 4k@60hz?! That sounds good!
And 4k@24hz and 10bit should work via HDMI 2.0 right? No HDR ofc and probably no Chroma 4:4:4...
 
Yeah thx for the info. Dont have a HDMI 2.0 cable yet was just curious though. So I select 1080@60hz and activate that scaling stuff and the TV outputs at 4k@60hz?! That sounds good!
And 4k@24hz and 10bit should work via HDMI 2.0 right? No HDR ofc and probably no Chroma 4:4:4...
Just keep in mind that cables won't say "2.0" on the packaging unless they're trying to get away with charging you more. You're looking for those with the HDMI logo on it and sold as "High Speed." You won't be able to do HDR with the GTX 970, but you should be able to do 60 Hz with 4:4:4 chroma and 8-bit color. I think only 2.0b supports 10-bit color and 4:4:4 chroma, which would require a Pascal card (1060/1070/1080/Titan X), otherwise you can only do 4:2:0 chroma and 10-bit color.
 
Can somebody compare the motion blur they get with a 60hz OLED TV gaming to a 120hz or 144hz monitor? Is it as bad as a normal monitor @ 60HZ?

Using this TV as a monitor in fast FPS probably isn't the right answer is what I am afraid of... but I want one :)

Motion Judder was last years problem. The last release of firmware for the E6 in our house was 3 weeks ago and was to get lag down to 34 ms. There is a game mode and going into the deeper settings under Game you can turn tru-motion off. I have no judder on the E6 65" with all enhancements off. Even with Movie calibration I turned them off. Just watched Warcraft from VUDU in UHD and it also used Dolby Vision. (Atmos was present but not on this setup yet.) The movie was incredible in UHD Dolby Vision on E6 OLED.
 
Can somebody compare the motion blur they get with a 60hz OLED TV gaming to a 120hz or 144hz monitor? Is it as bad as a normal monitor @ 60HZ?

Using this TV as a monitor in fast FPS probably isn't the right answer is what I am afraid of... but I want one :)
Response time has very little bearing on motion blur on a sample-and-hold display.
On these displays, motion blur is mostly a factor of framerate and refresh rate. So a 60Hz OLED will have just as much motion blur as a 60Hz LCD.
Response time reduces ghosting/trailing/smearing artifacts, not motion blur.

Image persistence is the main factor which affects motion blur, which is why a display like a CRT has so little motion blur - because it only flashes the image on-screen for a fraction of the frame duration.
OLED needs to scan/strobe the image or use black frame insertion just as much as LCD to reduce motion blur.
 
Response time has very little bearing on motion blur on a sample-and-hold display.
On these displays, motion blur is mostly a factor of framerate and refresh rate. So a 60Hz OLED will have just as much motion blur as a 60Hz LCD.
Response time reduces ghosting/trailing/smearing artifacts, not motion blur.

Image persistence is the main factor which affects motion blur, which is why a display like a CRT has so little motion blur - because it only flashes the image on-screen for a fraction of the frame duration.
OLED needs to scan/strobe the image or use black frame insertion just as much as LCD to reduce motion blur.

Yep, and this is why the best OLED's will need to support both Freesync and strobing/scanning. Even if you can't use both modes at the same time, you can select one depending on the experience you're looking for in the game you're playing.
 
Response time has very little bearing on motion blur on a sample-and-hold display.
On these displays, motion blur is mostly a factor of framerate and refresh rate. So a 60Hz OLED will have just as much motion blur as a 60Hz LCD.
Response time reduces ghosting/trailing/smearing artifacts, not motion blur.

Image persistence is the main factor which affects motion blur, which is why a display like a CRT has so little motion blur - because it only flashes the image on-screen for a fraction of the frame duration.
OLED needs to scan/strobe the image or use black frame insertion just as much as LCD to reduce motion blur.
Now we just need OLED panels with a 10 kHz refresh rate to take full advantage of the 100 μs response time ;).
 
Response time has very little bearing on motion blur on a sample-and-hold display.
On these displays, motion blur is mostly a factor of framerate and refresh rate. So a 60Hz OLED will have just as much motion blur as a 60Hz LCD.
Response time reduces ghosting/trailing/smearing artifacts, not motion blur.

Image persistence is the main factor which affects motion blur, which is why a display like a CRT has so little motion blur - because it only flashes the image on-screen for a fraction of the frame duration.
OLED needs to scan/strobe the image or use black frame insertion just as much as LCD to reduce motion blur.


While eye tracking based movement is the largest factor of "motion blur", slow pixel transitions only make it worse. Two displays, both 60 Hz, one with 20ms pixel transitions and the other with 10ms transitions, the latter will definitely look better in motion than the former.

IE: the motion quality of the 60 Hz <.01 ms pixel LG OLED's is definitely better than any sample-and-hold 60 Hz LCD.
 
Vega... did you ditch your OLED LG for something else on your gaming computer? What are you using now?
 
So i finally got it mounted. Getting some Phillips hue led strips so I can say "alexa, turn on/off the ambient lighting"

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While eye tracking based movement is the largest factor of "motion blur", slow pixel transitions only make it worse. Two displays, both 60 Hz, one with 20ms pixel transitions and the other with 10ms transitions, the latter will definitely look better in motion than the former.

IE: the motion quality of the 60 Hz <.01 ms pixel LG OLED's is definitely better than any sample-and-hold 60 Hz LCD.
Like I said, response time affects ghosting/smearing/trailing.
It doesn't affect motion blur.

To bring up an old comparison:The OLED is better than the LCD operating as a sample-and-hold display, but I wouldn't say the difference is dramatic - at least not with that image.
However once you enable backlight scanning to reduce persistence, the LCD shows significantly less motion blur.
There's obvious ghosting to the left: two frames of it, but I think most people - and certainly most gamers - would care more about the reduction in motion blur.

All else being equal, OLED has better motion quality. But that doesn't mean much when persistence is so high.
 
Could you please on your B6s and C6s test this one?



Someone on a E6 reported it works fine someone with a B6 had probs en masse. So the B6 is weaker than the E6 which is no secret BUT can the C6 run this file without probs in HDR?
 
Could you please on your B6s and C6s test this one?



Someone on a E6 reported it works fine someone with a B6 had probs en masse. So the B6 is weaker than the E6 which is no secret BUT can the C6 run this file without probs in HDR?


Worked fine here on my C6
 
Ok god bless you. Some B6 owners now said it works fine for them as well....

Anyway what about UHD Bluray stutter problems is that real? Maybe its a UHD player prob like Xbox S or these Samsung/Panasonic babes. But if the B6 cant handle it which would surprise me big time then its game over. 4k oled which cant handle 4k blurays :D Would be fantastic
 
Like I said, response time affects ghosting/smearing/trailing.
It doesn't affect motion blur.

To bring up an old comparison:
The OLED is better than the LCD operating as a sample-and-hold display, but I wouldn't say the difference is dramatic - at least not with that image.
However once you enable backlight scanning to reduce persistence, the LCD shows significantly less motion blur.
There's obvious ghosting to the left: two frames of it, but I think most people - and certainly most gamers - would care more about the reduction in motion blur.

All else being equal, OLED has better motion quality. But that doesn't mean much when persistence is so high.

"Motion blur' isn't JUST eye tracking based blur. It's the top level combination of mostly eye tracking blur and streaking/trailing from pixel transitions combined.

And you have to talk apples to apples. We are not talking flashing backlights. A .1ms pixel speed OLED WILL have better motion clarity than any sample-and-hold 60 Hz LCD panel. It is noticeable, and any professional monitor review site will test pixel transition times. Because it's important. It's the reason TN panels even exist. A 120 Hz sample-and-hold TN with faster pixels WILL have better motion clarity than a 120 Hz sample-and-hold- VA with slower pixels.

Display motion blur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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"Motion blur' isn't JUST eye tracking based blur. It's the top level combination of mostly eye tracking blur and streaking/trailing from pixel transitions combined.

And you have to talk apples to apples. We are not talking flashing backlights. A .1ms pixel speed OLED WILL have better motion clarity than any sample-and-hold 60 Hz LCD panel. It is noticeable, and any professional monitor review site will test pixel transition times. Because it's important. It's the reason TN panels even exist. A 120 Hz sample-and-hold TN with faster pixels WILL have better motion clarity than a 120 Hz sample-and-hold- VA with slower pixels.

Display motion blur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The first two images I posted are the "apples to apples" comparison - where both displays are using sample-and-hold.
OLED is better due to its response time, but not dramatically so when motion blur is also a factor, as the amount of motion blur at 60Hz masks a lot of the LCD's slower response time.

However when you compare either of those to the LCD with backlight strobing enabled, you can see that the difference is dramatic - despite that also revealing just how bad the LCD's response time really is.

I don't see much point in comparing 60Hz OLED sample-and-hold to 60Hz LCD sample-and-hold - of course the OLED wins that comparison.
How could it not? When you are looking at a sample-and-hold display, the only factors which affect motion blur are framerate and response time.
If the framerate is the same, the LCD loses on response time every time.

It would be really interesting to see how a fast 120Hz LCD compares to a 60Hz OLED when both are still operating as sample-and-hold displays, because the LCD would have half the persistence (assuming a 120 FPS source) but much higher response times. In that situation I could see OLED possibly having better overall motion clarity.
If we were to compare 180Hz LCD against 120Hz OLED, I'm sure that the OLED would win - at least if it's an IPS or VA panel - because the response time of the LCD wouldn't be able to keep up with that refresh rate.

But why would anyone use their LCD as a sample-and-hold display if they care about motion blur and have the option to use a low-persistence mode that strobes/scans the backlight?
While OLED wins against any other sample-and-hold display operating at the same framerate, it loses to a low-persistence display - even when that low-persistence display has much higher response times.
 
120 Hz LCD definitely has better motion than 60 Hz OLED. I think 120 Hz OLED would look better than 180 Hz LCD. As for strobing backlights, yes of course it will be the best in motion. You usually take a significant brightness penalty for that though.

If they ever get OLED's bright enought to pulse, the combination of incredibly fast pixels and pulsing/scanning pixels on OLED will make the motion quality unbelievable.
 
120 Hz LCD definitely has better motion than 60 Hz OLED. I think 120 Hz OLED would look better than 180 Hz LCD. As for strobing backlights, yes of course it will be the best in motion. You usually take a significant brightness penalty for that though.

If they ever get OLED's bright enought to pulse, the combination of incredibly fast pixels and pulsing/scanning pixels on OLED will make the motion quality unbelievable.
The current OLEDs can hit a peak white of almost 800 nits, and LG have shown outdoor displays with a peak of 1400 nits, so it should be possible.
I'm not convinced that LG are the company to do it though. Perhaps someone else using one of their panels might. A scanning OLED display would be amazing.
 
Could you please on your B6s and C6s test this one?



Someone on a E6 reported it works fine someone with a B6 had probs en masse. So the B6 is weaker than the E6 which is no secret BUT can the C6 run this file without probs in HDR?

it looks just like any other vid on my b6 though my pc what is it supposed to do?
 
Anyone know if input lag has been reduced on the b6 via firmware? I saw Cnet's review from August 23rd, and it was measured at 37.6ms.
 
The price dropped to $2,300 today. So I called up Crutchfield and they gave me a $200 refund since I paid 2500 and the c6p hasn't even arrived yet.

I love Crutchfield, no tax, free shipping, lifetime tech support!

Also the e6p just dropped to $3k
 
The price dropped to $2,300 today. So I called up Crutchfield and they gave me a $200 refund since I paid 2500 and the c6p hasn't even arrived yet.

I love Crutchfield, no tax, free shipping, lifetime tech support!

Also the e6p just dropped to $3k
New or updated models incoming?
 
I wouldnt expect any announcements on new models until CES in January. The new models usually hit the market a few months after that, starting in March.
 
anyone else getting weird (1 frame only) flashes on their C6/e6/g6? it kind of only looks like a bright/artifact/inverted colors flash lasting only one frame.

only happens once or twice every 3-4 hrs
 
anyone else getting weird (1 frame only) flashes on their C6/e6/g6? it kind of only looks like a bright/artifact/inverted colors flash lasting only one frame.

only happens once or twice every 3-4 hrs

yea, I've noticed it on my C6. Started happening a few firmware updates ago, I believe, unless I just didn't notice it before. It's very infrequent, 3-4 hours is about right.

I've only noticed it when connected to my PC. Never had it happen when connected to other devices, or when using the apps on the TV. Doubt it's my graphics card though as I also noticed it when I had a 1080 and now the Pascal Titan.
 
Got my C, looks amazing. Loads of cool features and apps.

A few gripes, no HBO go app and a big one, I can't get the audio/video to sync up correctly. Even with adjustment on the tv, maybe it's my cable box? I tired a different shorter hdmi cable, didn't help. With Bluetooth headphones it's even worse.
 
I'm deciding between a Sony Z9D and the LG B6/E6. I play a lot of video games and based on what I've read, it seems the E6 has a better input lag rating than the B6. Also brighter. Problem is I don't need 3D and I already have a sound system, which appear to be the two main features you pay an extra $1,000 for with the E6 model. Let me know what you avid tech enthusiasts think!
 
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I have a b6 and its amzzing for gaming you wont regret it. It will make you mad at the source if its bad
 
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