U.S. Government Wants To Electronically Limit Truck Speeds

This thread is full of idiocy.
Unless you can drive a 10spd(or more) split range nonsynco transmission, and have graduated to float from DCing, you should kindly shut the fuck up because you have ZERO clue about what you're talking about when it comes to driving a 40T+ CMV and dealing with the idiots on four wheels.
Fact is- speed differentials are the most common causes of big truck/four-wheeler accidents.
Fact is- four-wheelers are fucking idiots around big trucks
Fact is- four-wheelers are the ones found primarily at fault in big truck/four-wheeler accidents.
 
alxlwson said:
This thread is full of idiocy.
Unless you can drive a 10spd(or more) split range nonsynco transmission, and have graduated to float from DCing, you should kindly shut the fuck up because you have ZERO clue about what you're talking about when it comes to driving a 40T+ CMV and dealing with the idiots on four wheels.
Fact is- speed differentials are the most common causes of big truck/four-wheeler accidents.
Fact is- four-wheelers are fucking idiots around big trucks
Fact is- four-wheelers are the ones found primarily at fault in big truck/four-wheeler accidents.
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Not sure a gif of multiple people literally dying is really appropriate or adds anything to the conversation here.
 
kumquat said:
Not sure a gif of multiple people literally dying is really appropriate or adds anything to the conversation here.
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Same kind of people that think guns need to be banned because 0.000037% of the population dies/is murdered by someone that used a gun, posts that ridiculous gif.
It's like posting a video of someone choking on a french fry
 
Disposed said:
Thats pretty much why all laws exist, welcome to reality.
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Haha, seriously rofl. Look up "rent seeking". That and we have all the safety warnings on plastic bags or even "read manual before operating firearm" on engraved on guns because of stupid people and lawyers winning lawsuits for stupid people. Same thing with seatbelt laws, helmet laws etc. etc.. My current favorite is requiring prescriptions for sudafed type drugs all to combat meth makers/users. Stupid people costing the rest of society even more money due to lazy and idiotic lawyers and legislators.
 
M76 said:
Just because you drove a truck in the seventies doesn't make you automatically right, so do you care to add some actual arguments or are you just trying to brag? That would have to be a first though that someone brags about being a lorry driver.
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dude that extra few mph may mean the difference between getting up the hill at a reasonable speed to crawling up the hill. Truckers climbing hills will always try to keep the engine in the power and only downshift when they have no other choice. It takes quite a bit of torque to pull a fully loaded semi up a hill when it is carrying something like a CAT D9 or a 320BL (45 and 25 tons respectively) Haul a D9 and you are looking at nearly 80tons... a CAT Challenger 800 series can top 65Tons... and even with 2000ft-lbs of torque that is a big load to pull up even a small grade.

djdave404 said:
But when I stopped driving in 2011, my Kenworth had a 550 HP 3406E Caterpillar.
And the Cat made life on the road much easer for the driver.
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Speaking of CAT, due to the OPPRESSIVE regulation on diesel engine emissions, they bowed out of the Truck Engine business, in 15 years, we probably will not have a Truck repair shop at our dealership. We are one of the largest CAT dealers in the USA.... Every single engine manufacturer is having serious issues with regeneration schemes that they use to clean up the particulate matter in the exhaust. Once a engine fails to regen, it means BIG BIG BIG repair bill....

kumquat said:
One of the fundamental functions of government is to save people from each other.
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No, it's not. The primary function of government is maintain order in society. stupid regulations like this have no impact on maintaining order. We have speed limits and if they were enforced, this would be a non issue.

kumquat said:
There are lots of places in the US where trucks have a lower speed limit than the rest of the vehicles.
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related more to stopping distance than safety regarding speed. if a truck hits a car at 45mph, the car is obliterated so....
 
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They claim they are doing this is the name of safety. If that were truly the case would it not make sense to do this to ALL vehicles on the road, not just trucks? Government agencies like to throw that whole "its about safety" line around quite a bit. I am not arguing against the regulations pertaining to commercial vehicles in general as some of them are good and necessary, just trying to show how much of a farce the governments new proposal is. Anyone that tries to say professional drivers are more dangerous needs to take a long look at how many accidents you see on the road, how many of them are just regular cars? Not saying there aren't bad professional drivers out there, but rest assured idiots behind the wheel exist in all forms whether its big truck, motorcycles, compact cars, pickup trucks, SUV's, hell even bicycles.

Are you guys aware that by law every person driving a commercial vehicle has to have a DOT/FMCSA medical certification otherwise they cannot drive a commercial vehicle. Taken from the FMCSA website "By regulation, Specific Medically Disqualifying Conditions Found Under 49 CFR 391.41 are Hearing Loss, Vision Loss, Epilepsy and Insulin Use". There are alot of other things that can prevent you from getting your medical certification like high blood pressure if its above a certain number and taking certain prescriptions. So if you are driving your personal vehicle and have these very same conditions you are safe? I'm sorry, if you are driving a Honda Civic and go into seizures on the highway chances are you are going to cause an accident and possibly death. If you're deaf kiss having a driving job goodbye, but feel free to drive your 1992 Ford Escort with questionable brakes and a driver side brakelight out around town and on the highways. If driving your personal vehicle were anywhere near as regulated as driving a commercial vehicle, the traffic on the roads would be cut down by a third.

Are you also aware commercial drivers are required to inspect and document by use of a checklist their vehicles and make sure every light, signal, mirror, etc is in working order. If not it needs to be corrected before you even hit the road. Your tires and brakes better be within spec too. Can the same be said for people inspecting their personal vehicles? I thought the government was very concerned with safety?

So their latest crusade for "safety" boils down to speed, but only for commercial vehicles because apparently only truck drivers speed. People driving Tahoe's, Civics, Corvettes, and Jeeps are all law abiding citizens who never ever go over that limit I guess.
 
alxlwson said:
This thread is full of idiocy.
Unless you can drive a 10spd(or more) split range nonsynco transmission, and have graduated to float from DCing, you should kindly shut the fuck up because you have ZERO clue about what you're talking about when it comes to driving a 40T+ CMV and dealing with the idiots on four wheels.
Fact is- speed differentials are the most common causes of big truck/four-wheeler accidents.
Fact is- four-wheelers are fucking idiots around big trucks
Fact is- four-wheelers are the ones found primarily at fault in big truck/four-wheeler accidents.
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I used to live a few miles from a truck stop in OKC. It seemed like once a month or so a car would drive right up from behind, and then under a trailer as the truck made a left onto I40. I am sure the car was usually totaled from those under 5mph accidents too. Hard not to be when your front end is crushed. These were due 100% to the stupidity of the car drivers.

Stay away from trucks is my motto. If I am going to pass, I pass quickly and get it done. If I can't pass, I hang back. In short, I give those things space.
 
cryogenic419 said:
So their latest crusade for "safety" boils down to speed, but only for commercial vehicles because apparently only truck drivers speed. People driving Tahoe's, Civics, Corvettes, and Jeeps are all law abiding citizens who never ever go over that limit I guess.
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They would cap the speed of all vehicles if they could. They can't. Such a regulation would get people voted out of office, and there would be massive nationwide protests and action against it.

They're doing it to commercial vehicles because it's a more highly regulated industry and they have the political capital to do so. It's possible. Capping all vehicles is not, at this time.
 
kumquat said:
They would cap the speed of all vehicles if they could. They can't. Such a regulation would get people voted out of office, and there would be massive nationwide protests and action against it.

They're doing it to commercial vehicles because it's a more highly regulated industry and they have the political capital to do so. It's possible. Capping all vehicles is not, at this time.
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have to start slowly, where people would be willing to let laws regulate "other people but not me" first, then it is easier when its partially in place.
 
kumquat said:
They would cap the speed of all vehicles if they could. They can't. Such a regulation would get people voted out of office, and there would be massive nationwide protests and action against it.

They're doing it to commercial vehicles because it's a more highly regulated industry and they have the political capital to do so. It's possible. Capping all vehicles is not, at this time.
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Honestly I don't see people as a whole being that committed to voting anybody out of office that does anything to clamp down on freedoms. They piss and moan for a little bit then move on to the next thing they see on Facebook that infuriates them. Fear of the people is not something our politicians have in mind when making decisions and passing yet more rules, regulations and laws. Fear of the donations not coming from auto manufacturers and unions anymore seems to be the bigger deciding factor. Ask yourself this question...does someone who has the power to make this into law have ties to someone who just happens to have a company that would stand to benefit from it being passed? Bet ya a shiny quarter the answer to that is yes.
 
tec1500 said:
Are you really going to use that article to justify breaking the law? Lol. I'm not saying the posted speed limit is the greatest. Perhaps it should very well be changed, but that does not give you the right to break the law just because you think it doesn't fit you.
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Is it really breaking the law if the posted speed limits are artificially low because the city or twsp didn't follow the law and do a speed survey? You really haven't thought this through have you? There is an example of a judge throwing out a case in there because the city didn't do their job. The judge agreed with his lawyer no law was broken, because the speed limit was set artificially low. I really hope you aren't as dense as your posts suggest.
 
wizzi01 said:
Is it really breaking the law if the posted speed limits are artificially low because the city or twsp didn't follow the law and do a speed survey? You really haven't thought this through have you? There is an example of a judge throwing out a case in there because the city didn't do their job. The judge agreed with his lawyer no law was broken, because the speed limit was set artificially low. I really hope you aren't as dense as your posts suggest.
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Well you can continue to break the law all you want of course. I just hope you don't get upset when the cops pull you over and do their jobs, because that wouldn't be fair to them.
 
tec1500 said:
Well you can continue to break the law all you want of course. I just hope you don't get upset when the cops pull you over and do their jobs, because that wouldn't be fair to them.
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I guess you are dense. If the speed limits are artificially low that is not what the limit really is. Sorry you don't want to understand plain English.
 
wizzi01 said:
I guess you are dense. If the speed limits are artificially low that is not what the limit really is. Sorry you don't want to understand plain English.
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Sounds like a good line to use with the cop when you get pulled over. Try it out and let us know how that goes for you.
 
All trucks are going to be automated drivers in 20 years tops anyhow. These are going to be the first vehicles that go fully AI in mass. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing large scale layoffs by large companies in as little as 10 years.
 
wizzi01 said:
I guess you are dense. If the speed limits are artificially low that is not what the limit really is. Sorry you don't want to understand plain English.
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That is the stupidest live of reasoning I have ever heard.

Regardless of why it's low if that's the played limit that is the law, period, end of discussion. Whatever bullshit you use to justify breaking that law is just that... Bullshit...
 
wizzi01 said:
I guess you are dense. If the speed limits are artificially low that is not what the limit really is. Sorry you don't want to understand plain English.
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If the number of times I am allowed to shoot a random person on the street is artificially low, then that is not what the limit really is.
 
Disposed said:
That is the stupidest live of reasoning I have ever heard.

Regardless of why it's low if that's the played limit that is the law, period, end of discussion. Whatever bullshit you use to justify breaking that law is just that... Bullshit...
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Why are you so mad? Sorry you can't understand cities have to follow laws also. If their intentionally low speed limits are illegal you are not breaking the law. There have been a number of cases that have been thrown out of court and some of those cases have forced the cities to do speed surveys. Some of those surveys have rose the speed limits by 20 mph.
The cities hate losing the revenue when the speed limit goes from 25mph to 45mph.
 
I'm all for this.

As long as we can electronically limit the amount of money the government spends beyond what they take in.
 
force limiting anything is bad, they gonna start with the trucks then move on to everything else, +autopilot +gps = you're fukd
 
wizzi01 said:
Why are you so mad? Sorry you can't understand cities have to follow laws also. If their intentionally low speed limits are illegal you are not breaking the law. There have been a number of cases that have been thrown out of court and some of those cases have forced the cities to do speed surveys. Some of those surveys have rose the speed limits by 20 mph.
The cities hate losing the revenue when the speed limit goes from 25mph to 45mph.
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You are the one not understanding how law works. You follow the posted law, period. If you think its wrong you bring it up to the city council, county or state whatever you do NOT get the right to break that law. No bullshit 6th grade reasoning can change that fact.
 
Shadohh said:
We should go back to trains for hauling all our material possessions.
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That'd make sense, if we actually built up our railway system like japan or some other countries...either that or reserve the roadways mostly for cargo.

Unfortunately, our railway system is rather lacking and (while still used and useful) not as good as it could have been.
 
Nobu said:
That'd make sense, if we actually built up our railway system like japan or some other countries...either that or reserve the roadways mostly for cargo.

Unfortunately, our railway system is rather lacking and (while still used and useful) not as good as it could have been.
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Yeah it does suck, we should fix that, sounds like a great way to put people to work as well.
 
Shadohh said:
We should go back to trains for hauling all our material possessions.
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Not all the material possessions per se, but you could eliminate a lot of long distance trucking and ship far more fuel efficiently using rail.

The rail system wasn't "lacking" until they decided to start ripping it out.
 
kumquat said:
Which vehicles on the list does the federal government not have the right to regulate?
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It's not which vehicles they can't regulate, it's limits on how they can regulate to begin with.

Can they require seatbelts? Yes.
Can they mandate Red, White and Blue paintjobs? No.

The States regulate speed limits on non-interstate roadways and not the federal government. Allowing the feds to enforce speed limits through mechanical governors which effectively enforce speed limits on all roadways is a power that has not been bestowed on our lordships.
 
Gorankar said:
I used to live a few miles from a truck stop in OKC. It seemed like once a month or so a car would drive right up from behind, and then under a trailer as the truck made a left onto I40. I am sure the car was usually totaled from those under 5mph accidents too. Hard not to be when your front end is crushed. These were due 100% to the stupidity of the car drivers.

Stay away from trucks is my motto. If I am going to pass, I pass quickly and get it done. If I can't pass, I hang back. In short, I give those things space.
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It's smart, I always fail to understand why anyone in a small vehicle would run side by side with a monster for a mile because they won't push their traveling speed up another 3 MPH. Begging to die is all I can come up with.
 
alxlwson said:
This thread is full of idiocy.
Unless you can drive a 10spd(or more) split range nonsynco transmission, and have graduated to float from DCing, you should kindly shut the fuck up because you have ZERO clue about what you're talking about when it comes to driving a 40T+ CMV and dealing with the idiots on four wheels.
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LOL @ trucker logic.

Knows all the lingo and acronyms, must be an expert.
 
So basically it goes like this:

1. We the people create gubment.
2. Gubment turns into a powerful force
3. People try and stop gubment.
4. Gubment is now sentient and even more powerful
5. The Gubment is... Skynet.
6. Skynet then locks the speed of trucks.
 
Disposed said:
You are the one not understanding how law works. You follow the posted law, period. If you think its wrong you bring it up to the city council, county or state whatever you do NOT get the right to break that law. No bullshit 6th grade reasoning can change that fact.
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This! +1! Exactly. That guy thinks that because a law is not to his liking that he gets to break it. If everyone followed that logic, there would be total chaos in the world.
 
alxlwson said:
Drove big truck for over four years. Dealt with dumb asses on four wheels.
Expert? Nope. More knowledgeable than you? Yup.
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Everyone else has to STFU because you "drove big truck" for four years and figured out how to shift the thing?

Can't talk about pro sports unless you're on a team. Can't talk about cheese unless you've raised a cow. Can't talk about gay rights unless you've had a nice clean weiner in your mouth.
 
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