Stop Preordering Videogames

I was hesitant when I pre-ordered Doom but was not disappointed. Aside from a Bethesda release I do not pre-order.
 
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How do you expect a citation for what I think would happen in most cases? Not pre-ordering a game doesn't send the message that "we want a finished game" it sends the message that "we don't want what you shown us, we want something different"

If you really want to make a difference you should create individual campaigns to not pre-order games from specific studios who have a track record of releasing unfinished, unplayable, or games that had severe feature deficits.

That would be helpful. If you told us not to pre-order this or that game from this specific studio because their last few games had this and that kind of problems.
 
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Kickstarters are another thing entirely from pre-orders. I pre-ordered Spore and that turned out to be about a week of cheap lolz followed by never playing it again. Since then, outside of MMO expansions I know I wanted, I haven't pre-ordered anything. I've crowdfunded games though, because that takes a different mindset than pre-ordering. Crowdfunding is far more forgivable because the game isn't getting made without your money. And presumably it never goes to EA.

This right here. I don't pre-order, never saw it as an advantage to me. But kickstarters are another kettle of fish entirely. That's not pre-ordering, it's financing the development of the title. In essence, the kickstarters are a collective publisher.

I love the idea of kickstarter, and have kickstarted a handful of games that either would not have been made at all, or would not have been as feature rich. Intend to continue to do that, as i feel undeserved by the gaming industry. They simply aren't making the kinds of games i want to play.
 
I haven't preordered a game since Deus Ex: Human Revolution. I just don't see the point. I don't even buy on launch day, I wait until at least 3 months after to even considering a purchase. Gives them time to fix any issues.
 
I haven't preordered a game since Deus Ex: Human Revolution. I just don't see the point. I don't even buy on launch day, I wait until at least 3 months after to even considering a purchase. Gives them time to fix any issues.

here is something for you. If every single person waited 3 months they wouldn't know about many issues till 3 months in. Somebody has to be to ones that jump in and find some bugs for them to know they exist.
 
I was hesitant when I pre-ordered Doom but was not disappointed. Aside from a Bethesda release I do not pre-order.

The multiplayer demo kept me from buying or pre-ordering Doom. The good reviews on the single player got me to buy it, but not before it went on sale.
 
I've had good success in the last 5 years preordering titles but some the games I've preordered bombed (Aliens: Colonial Marines, Tom Clancy's The Division, EA/DICE's Star Wars: Battlefront. Battlefield 3 and 4). But then some preorders were really worthwhile and worth it (Guild Wars 2, Elite: Dangerous, Overwatch, Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD remake). I've got just one more preorder forthcoming my way gaming wise (Dragon Quest VI: Fragments of the Forgotten Past) but really I've noticed over the years with preordering (and why I do it still as often as I do) is that when it comes to Nintendo titles on Wii U or 3DS if you don't preorder chances of getting the game on day 1 can be very slim to none. PC doesn't matter so much anymore due to the rise of digital download and because of that the game is at your fingertips as soon as you're ready for it. And to make clear BF3 and 4 bombed out in my eyes for 2 reasons: 1. They were broken at and for a long time after launch. 2. Life constantly got in the way and I never had much of a chance to enjoy them when they were finally fixed. Just my$.02. Out!
 
The more I think about it one thing that is funny about this thread is the difference between vocal people here vs a thread about digital downloads. If you see a thread about digital downloads killing off physical it will be full of people bitching about how digital download of games is not a viable option as everyone has data caps and slow speeds thus nobody can download all their games. Then you get a thread like this and people are saying that preoder isn't needed since everyone downloads games and thus you aren't having to worry about a physical copy.
 
Data caps and slow speeds. I doubt anyone ever has multiple "must buy" games dropping every single month. Even when I was on 1.5 mbps DSL, I was still downloading games.

Now, I prefer my game on disc, if it doesn't require me to tie it into an account of some sort. Can't think of any PC games that don't tie you into some kind of service, rendering the disc pretty much useless after initial install. Not that you even needed to use the disc, since you'd get a 10+ gb update right after install.

I like the console setup, where the game isn't tied to an account. I do hate having to swap discs though.
 
same price now, same price when it comes out. i just wait for a used copy from gamestop. you have 7 days to beat the game and return it lol...
 
The more I think about it one thing that is funny about this thread is the difference between vocal people here vs a thread about digital downloads. If you see a thread about digital downloads killing off physical it will be full of people bitching about how digital download of games is not a viable option as everyone has data caps and slow speeds thus nobody can download all their games. Then you get a thread like this and people are saying that preoder isn't needed since everyone downloads games and thus you aren't having to worry about a physical copy.
The point of the latter argument is that digital copies will theoretically never run out (though there is an upper limit on the number of keys generated). It's just about availability of the product, not the delivery method. Data caps and bandwidth limits are dichotomous to the subject of preordering at hand.
 
The point of the latter argument is that digital copies will theoretically never run out (though there is an upper limit on the number of keys generated). It's just about availability of the product, not the delivery method. Data caps and bandwidth limits are dichotomous to the subject of preordering at hand.

But you are arguing that both sides of the coin are facing up after you flip it. It has to be one or the other. Either everyone is buying digital and almost nobody buys physical anymore or almost nobody buys digital and almost everyone buys physical. It can't be that 90% of the people buy digital only and no physical and 90% buy only physical and no digital. Right now in this thread everyone is saying that they buy digital and thus preorder is stupid as digital copies can't run out. Whereas in other threads everyone argues that nobody buys digital because of data caps and other things that are assumed are had by all and that most people still buy physical as they don't have data to buy even a single digital game. Both of which can't be true for the overall whole. Which is what my statement was in regards to. In this thread everyone is saying they buy digital and don't buy physical. However in many other threads people claim that nobody buys digital and that the vast majority of people are forced to still buy physical only.

IF everyone buys digital then yes, there is no worry about running out or getting it day one.
 
I pre-ordered Destiny ROI..but not until a few days ago. The work by Bungie to show what was coming, the stability of the content, and the perks you get for pre-ordernig made it worth it.

The problem isn't pre-ordering...the problem is pre-ordering blindly.
 
I pre-ordered Destiny ROI..but not until a few days ago. The work by Bungie to show what was coming, the stability of the content, and the perks you get for pre-ordernig made it worth it.

The problem isn't pre-ordering...the problem is pre-ordering blindly.
The only way to not pre-order blindly is to try the game before pre-ordering. So have you tried the game? If not then you're pre-ordering blindly.
The question is. Is the developer/publisher trustworthy enough to buy their games before anyone has tried them and lived to tell about it.
 
To bad, battlefield 1 is preordered and I'm excited for it lol. I was happy with the open beta and I know I want it at launch so why not pre-order it?

We're gettin to a point again where we are getting demos before launch which makes it easier to pre-order because then your not preordering blind. (Yes open betas are just a new name for demo lol). If a gamendoesnt have a demo/open beta then no pre-order but if it does and I like what I see then I'll happily pre-order so I can play when it launches.
 
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The only way to not pre-order blindly is to try the game before pre-ordering. So have you tried the game? If not then you're pre-ordering blindly.
The question is. Is the developer/publisher trustworthy enough to buy their games before anyone has tried them and lived to tell about it.

I find that notion PATENTLY false. Do you even know the definition of "blindly"? Or...are you making up a definition of blindly in order to create a narrative that supports your viewpoint?

I've been playing destiny since day 1
I've played all the expansions/DLC
I've dealt with how bungie operates (good and bad)
I follow gamers who have advanced access to content in regards to destiny
Bungie, since taken king, has been very clear and transparent on what is coming and has met those statements

So...if pre-ordering ROI based upon that is somehow "blindly"...then fuck a duck...
 
I find that notion PATENTLY false. Do you even know the definition of "blindly"? Or...are you making up a definition of blindly in order to create a narrative that supports your viewpoint?

I've been playing destiny since day 1
I've played all the expansions/DLC
I've dealt with how bungie operates (good and bad)
I follow gamers who have advanced access to content in regards to destiny
Bungie, since taken king, has been very clear and transparent on what is coming and has met those statements

So...if pre-ordering ROI based upon that is somehow "blindly"...then fuck a duck...

I don't know why do you feel the need to get angry over that. You could have played 10.000 years with the old destiny. You're still buying the new one blindly because you never saw it. But based on your experiences with the other one, you trust the company enough, to believe it will be good. Nothing wrong with that. But the only way you're not buying it blindly if you see it before you buy it. Without seeing you're just assuming certain things about it.

I don't know what viewpoint you're referring to. I'm not against pre-ordering games if that's what you're suggesting. But I'm definitely against creating false narratives. And the claim that you're not buying the game blindly if you played another game from the same publisher is a false narrative. Imagine buying a car without seeing it, because you've seen another car from the same seller. How is that not buying it blindly?

I think what you're referring to is "blind trust" which it's definitely not, since you base your trust on other games from the dev. But you're still buying the game blindly meaning without seeing it first, but not based on blind trust, but well earned trust. I hope that clears up any confusion.
 
I don't know why do you feel the need to get angry over that. You could have played 10.000 years with the old destiny. You're still buying the new one blindly because you never saw it. But based on your experiences with the other one, you trust the company enough, to believe it will be good. Nothing wrong with that. But the only way you're not buying it blindly if you see it before you buy it. Without seeing you're just assuming certain things about it.

I don't know what viewpoint you're referring to. I'm not against pre-ordering games if that's what you're suggesting. But I'm definitely against creating false narratives. And the claim that you're not buying the game blindly if you played another game from the same publisher is a false narrative. Imagine buying a car without seeing it, because you've seen another car from the same seller. How is that not buying it blindly?

I think what you're referring to is "blind trust" which it's definitely not, since you base your trust on other games from the dev. But you're still buying the game blindly meaning without seeing it first, but not based on blind trust, but well earned trust. I hope that clears up any confusion.

If I took a different way to work would I be driving there "blindly"? I mean I never saw it. I would encourage you to look up the definition of blindly.
 
I don't know why do you feel the need to get angry over that. You could have played 10.000 years with the old destiny. You're still buying the new one blindly because you never saw it. But based on your experiences with the other one, you trust the company enough, to believe it will be good. Nothing wrong with that. But the only way you're not buying it blindly if you see it before you buy it. Without seeing you're just assuming certain things about it.

I don't know what viewpoint you're referring to. I'm not against pre-ordering games if that's what you're suggesting. But I'm definitely against creating false narratives. And the claim that you're not buying the game blindly if you played another game from the same publisher is a false narrative. Imagine buying a car without seeing it, because you've seen another car from the same seller. How is that not buying it blindly?

I think what you're referring to is "blind trust" which it's definitely not, since you base your trust on other games from the dev. But you're still buying the game blindly meaning without seeing it first, but not based on blind trust, but well earned trust. I hope that clears up any confusion.
Buying "blindly" would be like walking into a store and grabbing a game off the shelf without looking at it. In this day and age all kinds of information is disseminated online, so people can educate themselves before purchasing anything. You don't have to play a game to have the kind of information needed to make a purchasing decision.
 
If I took a different way to work would I be driving there "blindly"? I mean I never saw it. I would encourage you to look up the definition of blindly.
That example would translate in gaming terms like the difference between buying online or in a physical store. How is relevant for seeing the game before you buy it or not?

I might not be using the word correctly. After all I'm not a native english speaker, sorry if that word offends you then let's forget it. You buy the game without seeing it first. Yes you can gather all the information about it beforehand, but since it's not released and no reviews are available, all you can gather is hearsay at best. To stick to my previous example it's like buying a car based only on the word of the people selling it, without actually seeing the car apart from in videos and pictures. And the people who are allowed to release information about the game, all have a stake in it.

That's why I think it comes down to trust when pre-ordering games. No matter how well you research a game, if the publisher and developers are lying trough their teeth.
 
damnit jimsteve, I just preordered shadow wang 2 and space hulk Deathwing. Two for the price of one!
 
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