Astronomers Don’t Think That So-Called SETI Signal Is Aliens

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I don't care if astronomers don't think that SETI signal is aliens, you and I both know it's coming from aliens and they are more than likely hostile. Be that as it may, I'm not worried one bit. Why? Our planet is covered with water and, if movies have taught me anything, it's that water kills aliens.

Paul Gilster at the website Centauri Dreams wrote about it as “an interesting SETI candidate”—meaning perhaps it came from an extraterrestrial civilization. That set off the media storm. But I have to tell you something: Astronomers don’t know much about that “SETI candidate” signal beyond that it’s made of radio waves. And while human beings should absolutely spend some time figuring out what this signal is, they have almost no reason to conclude it came from non-human beings.
 
We all know the truth, Steve. We all know.

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And how many of those so called astronomers are controlled by the government and they only release what they are allowed to release.
 
It's never aliens!

I say that as someone who appreciates empirical evidence and as a whiner who wants it to be aliens.
 
The problem with SETI is that we can never actually figure out anything without actually knowing the source. It doesn't matter if created by another life form, create by a planet of robots, or created by a solar flare 20 trillion light years away. All we have is noise, we can't get it to turn into something even if it was meant to as we have no idea what it would turn into.

If you found a letter on the ground that said ajioaf0d98f081jfj0auajadfj10 there is no way to know if that is random gibberish, or an encrypted message as you have no idea how it might have been encrypted, what language the message might be in or anything else.
 
Exavior said:
The problem with SETI is that we can never actually figure out anything without actually knowing the source. It doesn't matter if created by another life form, create by a planet of robots, or created by a solar flare 20 trillion light years away. All we have is noise, we can't get it to turn into something even if it was meant to as we have no idea what it would turn into.

If you found a letter on the ground that said ajioaf0d98f081jfj0auajadfj10 there is no way to know if that is random gibberish, or an encrypted message as you have no idea how it might have been encrypted, what language the message might be in or anything else.
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If the signal were an actual message, the beginning of the message would be the key followed by the actual contents. Figuring out the key is the hard part, but I assume it would be similar to cracking Morse or something similar in simplicity given the space it has to travel.
 
King Icewind said:
If the signal were an actual message, the beginning of the message would be the key followed by the actual contents. Figuring out the key is the hard part, but I assume it would be similar to cracking Morse or something similar in simplicity given the space it has to travel.
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But you are assuming that based on our tech and based on what networking technology? We are talking about something that we didn't make and don't know what it is. I don't know anything about radio or tv, but given that you just jump over to that channel is there really anything to signal a start or stop for the client? Isn't that just data that is being sent none stop and you just focus on that frequency to get the info? We are trying to take something that we understand and turn it into human tech / reasoning. You are trying to get a cave man to understand IPv6 packages.

The way that a phone works in your house has changed over the past 75 years. And here we think that if somebody else was out there they would do everything the same way as us. This could be something as "simple" as a code to open a hanger door on the side of a mother ship that just happen to broadcast too far. Maybe the equivalent of somebody running a code scanner at something like CES to turn off all tvs in the place to open all hanger doors.
 
Exavior said:
But you are assuming that based on our tech and based on what networking technology? We are talking about something that we didn't make and don't know what it is. I don't know anything about radio or tv, but given that you just jump over to that channel is there really anything to signal a start or stop for the client? Isn't that just data that is being sent none stop and you just focus on that frequency to get the info? We are trying to take something that we understand and turn it into human tech / reasoning. You are trying to get a cave man to understand IPv6 packages.

The way that a phone works in your house has changed over the past 75 years. And here we think that if somebody else was out there they would do everything the same way as us. This could be something as "simple" as a code to open a hanger door on the side of a mother ship that just happen to broadcast too far. Maybe the equivalent of somebody running a code scanner at something like CES to turn off all tvs in the place to open all hanger doors.
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Hey, man. It's not a fail proof way of communicating. Sending off a radio signal semi-randomly in space would have to be done in the most simplistic way to try to guarantee some integrity and strength along the way. Sending a full voice message would never work: it would be a garbled mess by the time it got anywhere. It wouldn't be a door opening signal as that wouldn't have the power to blast light years.

If aliens are trying to communicate via radio waves light years away, the technology gap in this instance isn't a huge disparity between one another. Among species there will always be a shared form of logistics. It was my understanding that the signal just reached us, so if I had sent a signal I'd make the first part of the transmission the key, last part the message, and repeat. Take the message, look at similarities, and try to work it out. We've done the same with many lost languages with varying success.
 
Exavior said:
The problem with SETI is that we can never actually figure out anything without actually knowing the source. It doesn't matter if created by another life form, create by a planet of robots, or created by a solar flare 20 trillion light years away. All we have is noise, we can't get it to turn into something even if it was meant to as we have no idea what it would turn into.

If you found a letter on the ground that said ajioaf0d98f081jfj0auajadfj10 there is no way to know if that is random gibberish, or an encrypted message as you have no idea how it might have been encrypted, what language the message might be in or anything else.
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We can if they speak math.
 
Shazbot. Nanu Nanu.

Aliens are already here according to some news sources.

Need to turn that Star Wars Missile Defense system around and point it at Alpha Centari so we can signal/shoot them.
 
I think that one of the biggest problems with SETI is that if you wait long enough, you're going to get a random signal that LOOKS as if it's generated by an intelligence, much like the unlimited number of monkeys with unlimited typewriters might hammer out.
Steve said:
human beings should absolutely spend some time figuring out what this signal is, they have almost no reason to conclude it came from non-human beings.
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If it's a 'signal', it's a waste of time and money to try to figure out 'who' sent it. If aliens can get here, they already know we're here, and if they want to be in contact with us, they will be. Nothing we can do will change their minds. They will know all about us just by watching us, and seeing how screwed up we are. If I were an alien, I wouldn't want anything to do with the people who run this earth. The 'leaders' are all liars, cheats and criminals. Who would want to have anything to do with them? If they're more advanced and civilized (we AREN'T), they won't be interested. If they're more advanced and also liars, cheats and criminals, they will simply take what they want. Same as the white man did to the Americas, etc..
 
nightfly said:
Same as the white man did to the Americas, etc..
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As a white man who's family wasn't around at that time or even in that part of the world when it was going on, that's pretty damn blanket racist thing to say. As if there was never anyone anywhere in the world of a different color that didn't do some pretty terrible stuff. Pieces of shit come in all colors, from every walk of life.

Since I'm white though I'm not allowed to be offended, or have an opinion, just keep my mouth shut and keep paying my taxes so everyone else can have nice free shit :) I'm still waiting to find out when it will be socially acceptable for us whities to riot and destroy stuff when something happens we don't like. Is there like a newsletter or group email I need to get in on?
 
Exavior said:
If you found a letter on the ground that said ajioaf0d98f081jfj0auajadfj10 there is no way to know if that is random gibberish, or an encrypted message as you have no idea how it might have been encrypted, what language the message might be in or anything else.
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If we found your "letter on the ground" in outer space, even if we couldn't read it, that alone would change the course of our search for extraterrestrial life because it would prove we're not alone.
 
Steve said:
...Be that as it may, I'm not worried one bit. Why? Our planet is covered with water and, if movies have taught me anything, it's that water kills aliens..
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Except "Battle of Los Angeles (2011) where they WANT the water.
 
evilsofa said:
We can if they speak math.
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But what if they evolved to have sensor inputs completely different than ours? Perhaps they communicate by radio waves themselves, at an extremely precise wavelength? How are we going to figure that out, with such a huge delay in 2-way communicate by nature of the vast distance?
 
Time to shift massive chunks of the budget into an EDF, as we're going to need something soon!
 
In the Man Who Fell to Earth the alien (Bowie) came to earth specifically to find water.
 
collegeboy69us said:
As a white man who's family wasn't around at that time or even in that part of the world when it was going on, that's pretty damn blanket racist thing to say. As if there was never anyone anywhere in the world of a different color that didn't do some pretty terrible stuff.
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Hey, I'm white too. But it's hard to ignore that the decendents of western Europeans of the past 500 years have pretty much conquered and/or killed off huge numbers of other races. Sure, Ancient north African and Asian empires extended across large areas, but it seems only in the Americas were the indiginous populations nearly wiped off the map.

I'm still waiting to find out when it will be socially acceptable for us whities to riot and destroy stuff when something happens we don't like.
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Well, it will never be socially acceptable, but I believe that the U.K. had some riots consisting solely of white people in the past. And the U.S. has had all white riots at times when workers rose up against corporations. I can't remember which, but some type of manufacturing, mining or steel business I think was involved. Disaffected people of any race can become violent when they feel that they have been pushed too far. The difference that I've seen, is that those who have started the riots in recent times were people who were actively supporting criminals, rather than than supporting the working people in a community. It seems particularly bad, because the culture seems to idolize criminal behavior, and sees nothing wrong with that.
 
Party's over guys, the signal came from Earth. "Subsequent processing and analysis of the signal revealed its most probable terrestrial origin."

SETI
 
rezerekted said:
In the Man Who Fell to Earth the alien (Bowie) came to earth specifically to find water.
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And back in the early 1980's reptilian aliens wearing fake human "skin" came to Earth just to steal our water... and control our mice/rat population.
 
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