If you want to switch from Windows to Linux but are not, why?

If you want to switch from Windows to Linux but are not, why?

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auntjemima said:
And this sums is up nicely.

All too often when someone complains about a Linux issue the first argument is a deflection towards a similar issue in Windows.

Linux has the same issue now as it did 10 years ago vs XP and 20 years ago vs 3.1 and 95. It's not ready for mainstream. 20 years and still the same opinion from what some might even call [H]ard users. Think of the people out there without the ability to even Google simple things.

It's not ready for mainstream and likely never will be.
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Based around my own experiences running Linux as my main OS on my daily machine, I'd have to disagree with this comment entirely.

In fact I'd go as far as to say that Windows feels like a half baked OS in my honest opinion, considering the fact that it's a mish mash of desktop and touch OS with a control panel 'and' a settings panel based around two totally different UI's.

Don't get me wrong, I like Windows 10 - I think its a vastly better OS than Windows 7, don't even get me started on Windows 8, and have been very impressed with the anniversary update. But claiming that Windows is somehow superior to Linux is just flat out incorrect. I will go as far as to state that purchacing and using Windows when you don't have a specific case to do so is a little wasteful, especially considering that you're opening yourself up to a magnitude of malware, spyware and virus infections.

There isn't an OS on the planet that doesn't have issues, using this fact as a reason not to move away from Windows is a bit of a moot point.

OSX is based around Unix, there's a number of functions under OSX that specifically require the use of the terminal using commands that are literally identical to Linux, does that mean OSX is geared more towards technical users making it less suitable as a mainstream OS? On the contrary, when it comes to OSX I'd say the exact opposite is true.

My 6yo daughter uses my Linux machine just fine, does that make her more tech savy than most here based around the comments I'm reading?

For what its worth, Linux adoption is rising based around the percentage of Linux users "that we know of".
 
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I would love to use Linux as a desktop.

Give me Office with VBA ( I'd be happy with PPT/Excel/Word - 64 bit) - Libreoffice doesn't cut it. Give me vSphere (proxmox? maybe?).. Give me Slack (it's coming soon now).. give me games(been coming for 10+years .. steam gets some of the way there)..


I can live without games, I can live without vSphere. I can't live without office.
 
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Keljian said:
I would love to use Linux as a desktop.

Give me Office with VBA ( I'd be happy with PPT/Excel/Word - 64 bit) - Libreoffice doesn't cut it. Give me vSphere (proxmox? maybe?).. Give me Slack (it's coming soon now).. give me games(been coming for 10+years .. steam gets some of the way there)..


I can live without games, I can live without vSphere. I can't live without office.
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All of which is fair enough. As stated, if you have a specific 'need' for Windows than breaking free of MS can be difficult.

Any specific reason why Libreoffice with the Microsoft proprietary fonts won't cut it? I run my own business and I find Libreoffice great, I even run it on my Mac and use it every day without issue. However, granted there is specific use cases where Office would be a necessity.

I find it criminal the way MS has monopolized the whole office suite market with their own product as a result of small 'incompatibilities'.

Doesn't vsphere have a web client?
 
BulletDust said:
All of which is fair enough. As stated, if you have a specific 'need' for Windows than breaking free of MS can be difficult.

Any specific reason why Libreoffice with the Microsoft proprietary fonts won't cut it? I run my own business and I find Libreoffice great, I even run it on my Mac and use it every day without issue. However, granted there is specific use cases where Office would be a necessity.

I find it criminal the way MS has monopolized the whole office suite market with their own product as a result of small 'incompatibilities'.

Doesn't vsphere have a web client?
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The specific reason is I do heavy analytics with Excel using VBA and custom functions as part of what I do, I also do presentations that must unfortunately be powerpoint based. The latter I don't care for specifically. Excel with VBA however - nothing else can touch it for speed of development, power, and deployment base. I've done insane things with it.. I mean custom coding stuff would be faster/more powerful (generally), but cost of dev is one thing, and deploying within mid-big business is another.

vSphere (for home/office - ESXi) does have a web client, but it doesn't cut it for speed etc.
 
When my 840 EVO went bust I had to spend over a month running Ubuntu on my gaming rig. I am running Linux on my laptop and HTPC without major problems which made things easy. But Blizzard games need wine which has tremendous impact on performance. Games with native support, such as Shadow Warrior 2013, Valve's own line up and a few others, run just as good as they do on Windows.

I love Starcraft so I am on Windows 8.1 again. It'll come but it's not here yet. I''ll give it 5 years.
 
dgz said:
When my 840 EVO went bust I had to spend over a month running Ubuntu on my gaming rig. I am running Linux on my laptop and HTPC without major problems which made things easy. But Blizzard games need wine which has tremendous impact on performance. Games with native support, such as Shadow Warrior 2013, Valve's own line up and a few others, run just as good as they do on Windows.

I love Starcraft so I am on Windows 8.1 again. It'll come but it's not here yet. I''ll give it 5 years.
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While I prefer to run games as natively as possible under Linux and don't even have Wine installed on my machine, I am told that while modern titles tend to struggle under Wine, a great many older titles actually run better under Wine than natively under Windows - People actually see Wine as the savior of many older gaming titles.
 
DOSBOX and MAME/Gens are more than enough for me when it comes to classics. That's cored nicely under Linux, though I am yet to find a MAME GUI client that comes close to mame32k. But with wine I can just run it.

The prolem with Blizzard and wine is not just performance, though. They have this HTML5 based launcher and... I couldn't even use to log in. Layout seemed fine but forms didn't work at all. Huge pain this one, not to mention what happens when update it...

A couple of weeks ago I bought a second wireless xbox controller. Gues what, can't run them both at the same time :( xboxdrv is refusing to use them both at the same time, even though it had no problems running a mix of an xbox + cheapo ps3 clone. Go figure.

Valve need to push HARDER. I don't see anyone else giving a crap
 
I personally think Valve have done wonders when it comes to gaming under Linux. Only ~2 years ago we had nothing more than a handful of games based around Quake and horrible drivers. Now we have, in the case of Nvidia, outstanding drivers and 2573 gaming titles with AMD promising to improve their drivers under Linux also.

...That's not too bad in ~2 short years....?
 
Funny that you mention Quake. I mean they REMOVED Linux support from Quake Live. These Bethesda guys kind of suck.
 
dgz said:
DOSBOX and MAME/Gens are more than enough for me when it comes to classics. That's cored nicely under Linux, though I am yet to find a MAME GUI client that comes close to mame32k. But with wine I can just run it.

The prolem with Blizzard and wine is not just performance, though. They have this HTML5 based launcher and... I couldn't even use to log in. Layout seemed fine but forms didn't work at all. Huge pain this one, not to mention what happens when update it...

A couple of weeks ago I bought a second wireless xbox controller. Gues what, can't run them both at the same time :( xboxdrv is refusing to use them both at the same time, even though it had no problems running a mix of an xbox + cheapo ps3 clone. Go figure.

Valve need to push HARDER. I don't see anyone else giving a crap
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Meaning, Valve needs to spend more money on what appears to be a lost cause. Look, I am pleased that they tried but they clearly failed. (The numbers of games is not relevant since the majority are not games that most purchase and play.) Why push if the game user base is so small as to be insignificant compared to the user base on Windows?
 
Game support is the number one thing Linux lacks for me. I definitely don't like windows 10, but I have it installed along with Win 7 and Linux. I still use Win 7 as my main OS and probably will till 2020 or so. But the Switch to Linux is already planned for me. I also have some programs that won't run under Linux Wine properly so I can't completely escape Windows (and the fact that I like new games also). Lots of things run fine, but don't expect OOB support if you get anything new. It's the one thing that is a big problem. I mean I just bought a HTC Vive, I haven't tried it but I am certain nothing works with it in Linux. For day to day things Linux is just as good as Windows for me, but the annoyance of it comes from having to run Wine to get some things to run, and if it runs, it might have issues you won't find out about till later which means you'll boot back to Windows to be sure and most of the time it's due to something in wine not being compatible enough. Figuring this stuff out can be fun at times, but it is not fun when you are just trying to get stuff done. Unless your application has native linux support you are going to probably be tweaking things a lot.

Installing Linux has been for me both a nightmare and a joy over the years. I have used it on and off since it was in the pre v0.99 versions. The first real large program code I wrote for a college class was done in linux completely, then moved over to the school's unix system so I only had to stay at the lab for a couple of hours to recompile and re-test it before I handed it in. I had to originally download it to like 10-20 floppy disks or so for the distribution. The latest ones are just so easy to install now in comparison. I don't think I have had a problem installing linux for the past 5-10 years. I don't think I had to even edit a single configuration file or even choose my kernel compile options/modules anymore, or even mess with grub, everything just works now even with multiple booting OSes it's really amazing in comparison to the 90's. Even though things are a LOT better than it use to be and I think that Linux could really take over Windows, the developer support is just not there nor is the customer base to make it profitable. That is the unfortunate truth that we are always back to the chicken or the egg problem for linux. I am talking here about for the Desktop market. Developers see only a small number of customers so they don't prioritize any kind of native linux support, customers see limited developer support so they stick with Windows. Linux can also be hard to be a developer for. We say linux but developers see Ubuntu, Mint, Arch, Red Hat, Slackware, Debian, etc... While they are all linux they are not necessarily all the same so support will be harder to offer. Win 7,8,8.1,10 are easier to deal with because MS is the only one with a say on how things go. You might say that Linus has ultimate say but he really doesn't since he only has a voice on the kernel portion, even then someone could technically fork it and it can become yet another "Linux" like OS.

I don't think linux will become a windows replacement for the masses in my lifetime. I wish it would but I doubt it. I think unless it's one of those things you see advertised like direct from Dell buy this Linux laptop/desktop along side the Windows offerings, I don't think things will change. MS will fight to the last man to avoid that happening. I mean they could just stop signing the bootloader and no one could even install/run linux on OEM machines now thanks to UEFI and OEMs not letting you set your own keys or some not even letting you disable the secure boot feature. And I don't help much either when I recommend people to use a Windows or Mac box. But I do that for the same reason I still use Win 7 and installed that horrid Win 10, it's convenient. Like I said most stuff can be done as well in Linux as it is in windows, but it's hard to explain to a non technical person how to run some software they use in windows on linux. They have to learn how to use wine, most just don't want to bother and would rather sign their privacy and control away to Win 10 rather than learn.
 
Keljian said:
I suppose my argument is why switch if I have the same/similar/worse issues with Linux?
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1) It's free
2) No viruses and malware
3) You own your computer where Microsoft owns the OS and only lets you use it on their terms
4) By using linux you get offered a chance to study the inner workings of the OS and develop your understanding instead of just being a blind sheep on a leash

The first three are very compelling arguments to me.
 
auntjemima said:
It's not ready for mainstream and likely never will be.
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Hmm let's see. My teenager son can use linux. My elderly parents can use linux. Heck a neighborhood kid with Downs syndrome could use linux just fine. And you can't? That doesn't mean linux isn't mainstream ready!
 
Keljian said:
I would love to use Linux as a desktop.

Give me Office with VBA ( I'd be happy with PPT/Excel/Word - 64 bit) - Libreoffice doesn't cut it. Give me vSphere (proxmox? maybe?).. Give me Slack (it's coming soon now).. give me games(been coming for 10+years .. steam gets some of the way there)..


I can live without games, I can live without vSphere. I can't live without office.
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Well sad to say but you created this problem for yourself. Many people use Excel for things they really shouldn't - and then they're in an evil hole with it. Even worse are the employees who create things in Excel and then move to pension or get fired - nobody can typically understand and continue what they did. Furthermore the work done on excel is typically copied on a thumb drive and migrated to the next job.
 
Keljian said:
Ok. Let's take mysql for example this time. Mysql in 14.04/14.10 had it's config files in one particular place, 16.x has it all in a different place. It took me reading forums and futzing around for a while before I worked out where I needed to be to change one "simple" setting. The change has not been reflected in the docs online, and very few records of this change seem to exist within easy reach of the standard user. - This is one example, it's not the only one I've come across.

The upgrade to 16.04 LTS also hosed my system, so clean install then.. when I could have been working on something else.
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Hmm I have multiple linux machines running mysql / mariadb / percona on debian, ubuntu and centos. I haven't noticed that sort of problems, the ubuntu/debian configuration files are found in /etc/mysql just like before. If you installed mariadb/mysql5.7 then it's just a bit different named file in a subfolder mysql.conf.d.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if the my.cnf file points to the subfolder in the include clause, perhaps the settings are there lol.

Do yourself a favor and search for posts about failed windows upgrades before you complain about problems with linux. Nothing is perfect.

Besides you could have continued to use 14.04 and just upgrade your kernel to the current security updates if you don't want new software versions. It's mysql:s not ubuntus fault that the configuration changed.
 
B00nie said:
Hmm let's see. My teenager son can use linux. My elderly parents can use linux. Heck a neighborhood kid with Downs syndrome could use linux just fine. And you can't? That doesn't mean linux isn't mainstream ready!
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You didn't read the entire reply, that's pretty clear. Stop grabbing some convenient portions to aid your argument.

I said that I don't have an issue with it. I can make the scripts I need, I can research ways to make things work as I want. I can do all these things, but in Windows "it just works". You can argue that statement until you're blue in the face but as I've seen years after years you can never convince a Linux fanboy that their OS isn't ready, so the direct argument always falls on deaf ears.

I consider Linux a reasonable alternative to Windows for ME. For others? People who cannot write scripts or don't have their father or son to hang around and write them for them? No.

I've only had this Linux install for about 2 weeks and i already have 4 scripts running at startup. I wouldn't want to try and explain what the commands mean to my parents anymore than I would have wanted to teach them how a batch file worked in 95.

YOU can help your parents out when they need a quick fix in Linux. Not all people have a Linux nerd in their back pocket. Your scenario isn't normal so stop trying to push like it is.
 
I use both. Windows for my main rigs for app support. Specifically many content creation apps and then of course games. But I use Linux anywhere else I can as their scripting capabilities are far superior.
 
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Personal opinion: Linux sucks. ;)

Reason? Been using it off and on (sometimes for extended periods of time) since pre-Slackware 1.0 days (as a Usenet user since inception I actually did note that post by Linus announcing his project so long ago when it happened) and I still can't find a reason to like it or consider it useful for day to day purposes over Windows. I've used probably 400 different distributions over the years, hoping that one of them would really catch my interest and give me the reason to switch once and for all but, I still haven't found such a distribution - I even took the time to do an LFS (Linux From Scratch) distro of my own a few times, customized up the wazoo for me and me alone and even that didn't last more than a week.

It's just not something I find useful personally but if others love it so be it.
 
Tiberian, have you tried Mint? Based of Ubuntu, apparently and it's probably the closest I've ever seen to a Windows replacement.
 
If you look at the list from DistroWatch believe me, I've tried most every distro that's come out in the past decade (on top of the originals like Slackware and debian, of course). And for the record, I'm not looking for a Windows replacement - if I wanted that I'd just go back to using OSX/macOS again which I might actually do considering all the stupid shit Microsoft is doing nowadays. :)

Linux and I just don't work well together is the best way to put it. I've made so many attempts with it over the past 2+ decades I finally just had to get to a point where I realized it'll never happen. :p
 
ManofGod said:
Meaning, Valve needs to spend more money on what appears to be a lost cause. Look, I am pleased that they tried but they clearly failed. (The numbers of games is not relevant since the majority are not games that most purchase and play.) Why push if the game user base is so small as to be insignificant compared to the user base on Windows?
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I don't care for AAA games, most of the time AAA games are nothing more than over hyped rubbish anyway - You purchase them for way to much $$, they're literally beta versions on release, 6 months or less later their servers are wastelands.

The harsh reality is Linux is not supposed to be a Windows or an OSX replacement, and Windows is not some kind of OS benchmark on how an OS should operate - Linux is Linux, and there is no unwritten rule that states that it has to behave anything like Windows. If you're looking for a 'Windows replacement' you're probably looking to run Linux for all the wrong reasons. There was a time when every one of you knew nothing about Windows also, but you worked it out - Take the same approach with Linux, and based on individual use cases you may have a little more success in transitioning away from Windows

Having said that, as I mentioned earlier, Linux usage that we know of is growing and those users have to be coming from somewhere - Ironically usage started to rise in line with the release of Windows 10 and the subsequent disapproval of included spyware as vocalised by the Windows user base.

Anyone claiming that Linux is a replacement for Windows ME should probably post elsewhere, such a comment is not only flat out laughable it's also downright immature. I fail to see why the bulk of HOCP users would struggle with Linux usage - Unless you all use your expensive machines as glorified Xboxes only and avoid the technical aspect's of PC usage entirely?

I'm also not running a single self written script on my Linux machine, nor do I see any specific scenario where I would need to do so any more that I would need to under Windows?
 
B00nie said:
Well sad to say but you created this problem for yourself. Many people use Excel for things they really shouldn't - and then they're in an evil hole with it. Even worse are the employees who create things in Excel and then move to pension or get fired - nobody can typically understand and continue what they did. Furthermore the work done on excel is typically copied on a thumb drive and migrated to the next job.
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One example of what I have done is producing "pre-fabbed" Google Analytics reports (with analysis). You could argue for teaching execs and sales reps how to use GA, then run analysis, and draw their own conclusions but often their time is more worthwhile spent doing management tasks. Excel/VBA is the perfect tool for this situation.
 
B00nie said:
Hmm I have multiple linux machines running mysql / mariadb / percona on debian, ubuntu and centos. I haven't noticed that sort of problems, the ubuntu/debian configuration files are found in /etc/mysql just like before. If you installed mariadb/mysql5.7 then it's just a bit different named file in a subfolder mysql.conf.d.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if the my.cnf file points to the subfolder in the include clause, perhaps the settings are there lol.

Do yourself a favor and search for posts about failed windows upgrades before you complain about problems with linux. Nothing is perfect.

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Oh I'm not complaining - I'm just pointing out that "stealth" changes like that can make life with linux challenging. I'm not saying you need to be a rocket scientist, just it was an unexpected change.
 
BulletDust said:
The harsh reality is Linux is not supposed to be a Windows or an OSX replacement, and Windows is not some kind of OS benchmark on how an OS should operate - Linux is Linux, and there is no unwritten rule that states that it has to behave anything like Windows. If you're looking for a 'Windows replacement' you're probably looking to run Linux for all the wrong reasons.
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Pretty much this. They both serve their purposes. Like a utility truck vs sports car. One isn't better than the other, they just do things differently and each are better served for certain tasks.
 
Cheers rive22.

I'm not posting in an attempt to 'convert the masses to Linux', I'm just posting my own experiences running a variety of operating systems, specifically Linux, in the hope I can clear up any misconceptions.
 
auntjemima said:
You didn't read the entire reply, that's pretty clear. Stop grabbing some convenient portions to aid your argument.

I said that I don't have an issue with it. I can make the scripts I need, I can research ways to make things work as I want. I can do all these things, but in Windows "it just works". You can argue that statement until you're blue in the face but as I've seen years after years you can never convince a Linux fanboy that their OS isn't ready, so the direct argument always falls on deaf ears.

I consider Linux a reasonable alternative to Windows for ME. For others? People who cannot write scripts or don't have their father or son to hang around and write them for them? No.

I've only had this Linux install for about 2 weeks and i already have 4 scripts running at startup. I wouldn't want to try and explain what the commands mean to my parents anymore than I would have wanted to teach them how a batch file worked in 95.

YOU can help your parents out when they need a quick fix in Linux. Not all people have a Linux nerd in their back pocket. Your scenario isn't normal so stop trying to push like it is.
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The fact is that with a very easy preinstall setup they use linux exactly like they used to use windows. Only difference is that they dont get viruses and malware anymore.

Granted I had to configure a couple of things FOR them. My mother was especially difficult case as she needed to watch DRM protected tv streams that were built on *gasp* MS Silverlight.
 
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I voted Not As User Friendly because overall it functions, but there are a lot of small issues with Linux. I did use Linux Mint 17.1 KDE for 7 months back in 2014-15 before switching to Win10 Insider. Back then I had problems with getting video and pdf thumbnails to display in the File Manager, tearing in videos, tearing in webpages when scrolling, both locally and on Youtube, and a strange "Disk Sleep" issue for some processes that caused system slowness. Also, the big problem is on certain wifi adapters, when you put Linux to sleep, wifi doesn't wake up and you need to restart or replug the adapter (USB only). I recently installed Kubuntu 16.04.1 on a spare drive in an eSATA enclosure that I use on my laptop, and at least I don't have wifi problems. I still had trouble getting the thumbnails to display but it isn't too bad. Unfortunately, even with Kubuntu 16.04.1, wifi sleep issues persist on my desktop with a USB wifi adapter.
 
Beyond gaming (my #1 reason), I just don't have a huge reason for it. I'm happy with Windows at this stage. I know it well and can fix 95% of the rare issue I encounter in minutes.
I'm aware there are Linux distros that mimic Windows (and even MacOS), but if I'm not having issues...why bother? Until Microsoft gives me a reason to bail, I simply don't feel like it.
Now if Linux were ever to seriously become a #1 choice gaming platform with "Game Ready" drivers and such, then I'd probably at least consider it.
I'd definitely want some snazzier GUI elements, too. Right now it feels like the Linux GUIs I've used were trying to be like Windows XP or OSX Panther. If I'm going to bother to swap, I want something that looks good with animation, high resolution art-style icons, etc.
 
Domingo said:
I'd definitely want some snazzier GUI elements, too. Right now it feels like the Linux GUIs I've used were trying to be like Windows XP or OSX Panther. If I'm going to bother to swap, I want something that looks good with animation, high resolution art-style icons, etc.
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OSX doesn't have a snazzy GUI?! Serious?

The GUI under Linux is whatever you want it to be, granted you wont have the animated tiles of Windows 10, but the tiles suck anyway. Enable the Compiz Window manager and you have some very slick animations that you'll never get under Windows, head to the Gnome look website and you'll find a plethora of high resolution vector graphic icons at your choosing.

Dk975 said:
I voted Not As User Friendly because overall it functions, but there are a lot of small issues with Linux. I did use Linux Mint 17.1 KDE for 7 months back in 2014-15 before switching to Win10 Insider. Back then I had problems with getting video and pdf thumbnails to display in the File Manager, tearing in videos, tearing in webpages when scrolling, both locally and on Youtube, and a strange "Disk Sleep" issue for some processes that caused system slowness. Also, the big problem is on certain wifi adapters, when you put Linux to sleep, wifi doesn't wake up and you need to restart or replug the adapter (USB only). I recently installed Kubuntu 16.04.1 on a spare drive in an eSATA enclosure that I use on my laptop, and at least I don't have wifi problems. I still had trouble getting the thumbnails to display but it isn't too bad. Unfortunately, even with Kubuntu 16.04.1, wifi sleep issues persist on my desktop with a USB wifi adapter.
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While I'm not too sure why you were having so many issues with different file types displaying correctly in file manager and it's defiantly not something I've personally ever encountered using a number of different distro's including Mint, if you have problems with the file manager there is a number of alternate file managers you can use - Generally speaking the usual rebuttal from most Windows users when mentioning the flexibility of Linux and the ability to customise the OS 'exactly' to the individuals liking is 'I don't want to spend time tweaking the OS, I just want something that works' and they act like such flexibility is a weakness of Linux. Personally, I believe this flexibility is Linux's greatest asset, the functionality between differing distro's, desktop managers, window managers and file managers is all the same, but the UI can look exactly as I want it to look. Oh how I wish I could swap Finder for a decent file manager under OSX!

In relation to your sleep issue, my desktop doesn't like sleep at all, it struggles to wake up under Ubuntu MATE if I put it to sleep - Having said that my desktop boots as fast as it wakes from sleep so I have no need to use sleep on my desktop. My laptop runs Broadcom WiFi and it works perfectly, I've never had an issue using the default drivers, sleep also works perfectly on my laptop - Which is great as the laptop is the device I want to put to sleep simply by folding the screen down.

I have never had a tearing issue under Linux, however I only run Intel iGPU's on mobile devices and Nvidia dedicated GPU's with propiratry drivers on desktops. For what it's worth, Nvidia drivers are very much 'game ready' and updating all the time.

One thing I hate is when people make Linux look like Windows or they make Linux look like OSX! Linux is Linux, not a some Windows/OSX clone!
 
Gnome 3.20 is a beautiful desktop manager, following the concepts of OSX. However I can't help but feel that desktop customization under 3.20 is a little lacking.
 
BulletDust said:
Gnome 3.20 is a beautiful desktop manager, following the concepts of OSX. However I can't help but feel that desktop customization under 3.20 is a little lacking.
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Look up something called gnome tweak tool.
 
BulletDust said:
Gnome tweak tool comes standard with Ubuntu Gnome, it's still very limiting in terms of customisation compared to other desktop managers.
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Ok cool, just wanted to make sure you knew about it. You're right though, gnome is not super tweakable.
 
ManofGod said:
Meaning, Valve needs to spend more money on what appears to be a lost cause. Look, I am pleased that they tried but they clearly failed. (The numbers of games is not relevant since the majority are not games that most purchase and play.) Why push if the game user base is so small as to be insignificant compared to the user base on Windows?
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You seem to be talking about Steam OS. If so, all that Valve needs to do is make things easier for everybody, while working on their own games. SeamOS adoptions doesn't mean much in itself. Their work on Linux benefits everyone.

"The war is lost. They failed" :rolleyes:
 
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