Electric Car Charging Station Companies Issue Warning Over VW Settlement

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What is everybody freaking out about? It's not like Volkswagen has done a bunch of shady crap in the past...well, you know, except for that whole emissions thingy that forced the company to pay this $2 billion in the first place.

While charging station companies called the money a potential "game changer," they worry that if it is misspent, it could hurt competition. "The agreement shouldn't pick winners and losers, especially given that this emerging market transition will in no small part define 21st century transportation," twenty eight companies, including ChargePoint, EV Connect and Electric Vehicle Charging Association, said in a letter to the U.S. Justice Department on Friday.
 
Lol. 800million just for California? Wtf.
I'm just waiting for my check.
 
More handouts for the electric car industry. Another unsustainable green industry that only exists due to massive infusions of taxpayers money.

Only the politically well connected need apply, so make sure you get your bribes I mean campaign donations in early.
 
I knew there was something missing.. 2 billion in 'fines' by the tough US government, who hasn't been tough in any big companies for decades now.. something had to be missing, and there is:
Its 2 billion in directed investment, we will see what kind of bullshit VW pulls, as it keeps hemming and hawing it way into investing in show that is a small fraction of the 2B.
Really how many stations can 2 billion buy... Im thinking it could be a lot.
 
Guys stop picking on VW! All they did was cheat on a test and cost themselves and customers billions, not to mention erode consumer confidence to an all time low!

:bigtears:
 
Well considering California has buys about 45% of all electric cars in the US... I think California is getting hosed by about 100 million.


I just think it's stupid that it is going to charging stations. If they wanna do the whole fake-green thing, then it needs to be invested nationally, and not isolated to certain states.
 
Question on the emissions thing, was that only VW? I thought it was a lot of different companies.
 
Question on the emissions thing, was that only VW? I thought it was a lot of different companies.

It was every brand under the VW Group that used a TDI engine. That covers VW, Audi, Skoda and Seat (also Lamborghini, Bugatti and Bentley but those don't come in Diesel :p).

The more recent scandal was Mitsubishi revealing they'd been effectively making up their fuel efficiency figures for the better part of a decade.
 
It was every brand under the VW Group that used a TDI engine. That covers VW, Audi, Skoda and Seat (also Lamborghini, Bugatti and Bentley but those don't come in Diesel :p).

The more recent scandal was Mitsubishi revealing they'd been effectively making up their fuel efficiency figures for the better part of a decade.
Ahh.. okay. That makes sense.
 
It was every brand under the VW Group that used a TDI engine. That covers VW, Audi, Skoda and Seat (also Lamborghini, Bugatti and Bentley but those don't come in Diesel :p).

The more recent scandal was Mitsubishi revealing they'd been effectively making up their fuel efficiency figures for the better part of a decade.
But I think thats was Japan only.
 
Guys stop picking on VW! All they did was cheat on a test and cost themselves and customers billions, not to mention erode consumer confidence to an all time low!

:bigtears:
In VW's defense, nobody seemed to really care when Mitsubishi, Kia, and Hyundai were busted knowingly lying about their fuel economy for years.
 
In VW's defense, nobody seemed to really care when Mitsubishi, Kia, and Hyundai were busted knowingly lying about their fuel economy for years.

So weird though! VW didn't lie to the public about its fuel economy. I actually get better than advertised. At 70MPH, over an 800 mile trip, I averaged 51mpg on my Jetta SEL TDI. That's quite a bit better than the advertised. However, I know the SCR system isn't doing shit. Ive added 2 gallons of DEF in a tad over 30k miles. I'm ok with this. I am going to take the six grand plus the buy-back. I owe 18k on it. By the time everything starts to happen, ill owe around 12. Ill be wayyyyy up on it with the buy-back. Ill buy a TDI passat, and have lower payments and less time left, plus the 0%. Or, maybe I'll just take the six grand and do a full delete :)
 
I just think it's stupid that it is going to charging stations. If they wanna do the whole fake-green thing, then it needs to be invested nationally, and not isolated to certain states.
While I agree charging stations are iffy, but they are investing nationally, it's just California gets the most for the simple fact Californians actually buy the technology.

I mean just look at how many people bitch and moan on these boards about how their 100+ mile commute, or freezing cold battery, bottom line is other states have already decided they aren't buying them even with any sort of local incentives (if they even have them). It would be absolutely stupid to invest in "green" areas in these location, it would be an absolute waste of money.
 
What they should be investing in are new propulsion methods for interim, and also for viable other methods.

Interim: Diesel-electric, like a locomotive. Put that tech in a passenger vehicle, and you're looking at economy that makes the Volt look childish.

Long-term: Fuck if I know. Batteries aren't the answer though. Production of them is hazardous. I do some work in a battery manufacturing facility, and the fact that I have to put on a hazmat suit and a respirator says everything.
Not to mention, say we have quick adoption of electric vehicles. Where is all the electricity going to come from? Most coal power plants have shut down, and the same people screaming for these electric cars are also putting a hurt on the only viable and clean energy source that could provide that kind of load. They're putting these charging stations in a state notorious for brown/black outs.
 
Interim: Diesel-electric, like a locomotive.
People, including myself, asked many times why turbo-diesels weren't used as generators, and its simply a cost issue. Turbo engines cost more, all else equal, than naturally aspirated vehicles. Turbo-diesels cost even more than that, making the generator part expensive, plus they are bigger and heavier for the same horsepower. Then you have the cost of a bigass brushless motor and beefy electrical system and batteries, and the car is no longer economical to buy.

Its thus better to mate the electric motor with a very inexpensive and compact lightweight naturally aspirated generator.
 
People, including myself, asked many times why turbo-diesels weren't used as generators, and its simply a cost issue. Turbo engines cost more, all else equal, than naturally aspirated vehicles. Turbo-diesels cost even more than that, making the generator part expensive, plus they are bigger and heavier for the same horsepower. Then you have the cost of a bigass brushless motor and beefy electrical system and batteries, and the car is no longer economical to buy.

Its thus better to mate the electric motor with a very inexpensive and compact lightweight naturally aspirated generator.
No, no, he just wants that implemented so he (and everyone else on this board) can continue bitching about the cost of EVs.
 
No, no, he just wants that implemented so he (and everyone else on this board) can continue bitching about the cost of EVs.


I have no desire for an EV. Battery tech is nowhere close to being able to support my range requirements. There are too many days where I'm hauling a few thousand pounds, and for anywhere from 200-400 miles.
I want a diesel electric because then my car or work truck would be like a train, and trains are fucking awesome. So are VFDs
 
So weird though! VW didn't lie to the public about its fuel economy. I actually get better than advertised. At 70MPH, over an 800 mile trip, I averaged 51mpg on my Jetta SEL TDI. That's quite a bit better than the advertised. However, I know the SCR system isn't doing shit. Ive added 2 gallons of DEF in a tad over 30k miles. I'm ok with this. I am going to take the six grand plus the buy-back. I owe 18k on it. By the time everything starts to happen, ill owe around 12. Ill be wayyyyy up on it with the buy-back. Ill buy a TDI passat, and have lower payments and less time left, plus the 0%. Or, maybe I'll just take the six grand and do a full delete :)

False fuel efficiency isn't quite as bad as knowingly belching out harmful gas (both from an emissions and public health standpoint). On the plug side if you were going to kill yourself by sitting in the garage with the engine running a TDI Tiguan would be a great idea to get it done quickly.
 
False fuel efficiency isn't quite as bad as knowingly belching out harmful gas (both from an emissions and public health standpoint).
As a consumer, false fuel efficiency is far greater of a problem for me than an otherwise still very reasonably clean fuel efficient and durable diesel, that would have passed emissions tests just a few years ago.

And they didn't actually lie, per se, they tried to cheat the system.

The vehicles do pass emissions just fine, and is not made up at all. You hook them up to an emissions tester and they will pass with room to spare. What happens though is that the vehicle can tell when its just being tested idling, and when its actually on the road where the computer jacks up the fuel pressure, ignition timing, yada yada for improved performance and fuel economy at the sacrifice of higher NOX.

So its like the Corvette, that has a muffler bypass, so its quiet and legal idling and cruising normally, but if you floor it then the muffler is bypassed and it becomes a straight pipe and really roars. If it did that at idle, it'd probably be illegal, but the noise test isn't done at full throttle so its a legal loophole.

The government just decided that the loophole VW was taking was not legal.

So its not as much of a conspiracy as people are saying, and why VW/Audi/Porsche execs didn't think they'd get in trouble for exploiting what they thought was a legal loophole.
 
I just think it's stupid that it is going to charging stations. If they wanna do the whole fake-green thing, then it needs to be invested nationally, and not isolated to certain states.
Agreed. Maybe they should stop and think that the reason EV sales haven't picked up in the rest of the country is because there is little to no infrastructure anywhere else to support them. I don't think there are any public charging stations whatsoever within a 100-mile radius of where I live. I guess it's a chicken and egg issue.
 
There is one charging station thst I know of in the area. Its at Schneider Electric's staff parking lot. Lol
 
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