PCPer.com TITAN X Review

sk3tch said:
I'm not so sure about that. Sure, everyone is biased. But what people forget is that AMD hasn't really released a compelling, top end product since the 290. Something that everyone said: wow...I need to get that. It's the best. Before that, the 7970. The Fury X had the 980 Ti and Titan X (Maxwell) to fend with - and it lost at launch.

The moment AMD drops a top dog card, they'll sell. They just haven't done that in a long ass time.
Click to expand...

Excatly, why would I buy a 1080p card like the RX480 that has a short self life and can't scale up in resolutions if I want to upgrade?
A 2560x1440p user can by a Titan X, upgrade over time to 3440x1440 21:9 or to 4K with excellent performance at each resolution. There's nothing brand loyal about that.
 
nilepez said:
I guess, but again, this strikes me as being the same as someone who buys one car based on the reviews of some other car.
I just can't imagine someone looking at a Porsche 911 is cool and think how cool it looks and drives, but since they cant' afford a 911 they buy a Volkswagen Golf, because Volkswagen owns Porsche and obviously that means the Golf is the most awesomest [sic] car out there.
Click to expand...

I don't think the halo effect works the way you're thinking it works. Since we've reverted to the same tired car analogy, I guess we can use a few more examples. A car from porsche isn't going to sell cars from VW in that way because they're too far removed from each others marketing material. The 918 will sell 911's because Porsche will put bits from the 918 or "inspired" by the 918 in to the 911. When Ford decides to make a new Ford GT, it gets whole bunch of news coverage, reviews in car mags, etc. which gives the Ford brand a lot of mind share among enthusiasts. Then Ford can say "the technology we worked on for the Ford GT is now in the new Focus ST!" and that helps sell Focus ST's. I mean, can't you see the parallels? Titan X is the fastest card in the world, and gets a lot more headlines than some mid-range whatever card because most review publications cater to enthusiasts who lust after the best. That gives Nvidia a huge amount of additional coverage that AMD is just giving up on. Its basically "free" marketing that writes itself and increases reach/mind share among buyers of cards across the spectrum.

nilepez said:
That said, It hink you give this crowd too much credit. I think most around here are very brand loyal. If Kyle says AMD is better, the Nvidia boys say he's biased against Nvidia. If he says AMD is best the AMD boys do the same. (Chevy vs Ford), but those groups tend to buy the same brand even if there's a better product at a similar price from the other side.

Me...I buy what ever is the best bang for the buck in my budget.
Click to expand...

Thats very noble of you, but you really aren't alone. Yes, there are plenty of brand loyal people around here, but I see a lot of pragmatists too. I myself switch between GPU brands all the time. Either way, most people have a reason for being brand loyal, I don't think thats the same as being a brand fanatic. Somebody who's brand loyal might justify purchasing a lower performing product from one company, while idiotic fanboys will claim that the reviewer is biased because of some BS reason like they only tested the 10 most popular video games instead of the 10 video games that work better on their favorite graphics card.
 
sk3tch said:
I'm not so sure about that. Sure, everyone is biased. But what people forget is that AMD hasn't really released a compelling, top end product since the 290. Something that everyone said: wow...I need to get that. It's the best. Before that, the 7970. The Fury X had the 980 Ti and Titan X (Maxwell) to fend with - and it lost at launch.

The moment AMD drops a top dog card, they'll sell. They just haven't done that in a long ass time.
Click to expand...
To me, the 290 was the first AMD/ATi product I really got excited about since the 9700 Pro. I was going for a 290X at the time, but that was around when GPU mining was at its peak, and I wasn't going to be paying $700-$800 for a $550 video card. So I settled on a GTX 780.
 
noko said:
Yeah but he drank some coffee and came to his senses :p
Click to expand...

You are precisely right. When BF1 comes out , if I cannot run it @ 60fps and the settings I want with 4k, I will buy a Titan XP or a 1080 Ti, if it's out.
 
WorldExclusive said:
Excatly, why would I buy a 1080p card like the RX480 that has a short self life and can't scale up in resolutions if I want to upgrade?
A 2560x1440p user can by a Titan X, upgrade over time to 3440x1440 21:9 or to 4K with excellent performance at each resolution. There's nothing brand loyal about that.
Click to expand...

Nobody in the market for a 480 card is looking at a Titan X. A 480 card buyer is probably someone who is running a very old card or maybe a 960. Perhaps someone who wanted a 980 card but couldn't afford it would consider the 480. Nobody that's in the market for a $1200 card would go or should I buy $250 card? Hmm..decisions decisions. :rolleyes:
 
nilepez said:
Nobody in the market for a 480 card is looking at a Titan X. A 480 card buyer is probably someone who is running a very old card or maybe a 960. Perhaps someone who wanted a 980 card but couldn't afford it would consider the 480. Nobody that's in the market for a $1200 card would go or should I buy $250 card? Hmm..decisions decisions. :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

You're right from your point of view, but that's not what me and the other member was talking about.
We were talking about brand loyalty and how people will stick with AMD (waiting on Vega) regardless of Nvidia having faster options available now.
So in that quote, it was a comparison between each companies newest and fastest offering.
 
Fury x was amd's last big gpu and its over a year old at this point :( Fury x2 became a supposed developer card despite not initially being advertised as such and being really late to market. Meh =/
 
Chris_B said:
Fury x was amd's last big gpu and its over a year old at this point :( Fury x2 became a supposed developer card despite not initially being advertised as such and being really late to market. Meh =/
Click to expand...

It's because of this is the reason why I have decided to buy the Titan. I have owned my Fury X over a year now, and I'm getting bored with it. Seems I waited to long to make up my mind though...OOS on Nvidia's website :-(
 
Chris_B said:
Reckon that has anything to do you with grilling them on the "founders edition" (premium thermal, all show no go) wank at that event? If so they need to get thicker skin.

Its a bit odd that YouTube channels would get one (well not all that odd if you look at exactly who got one, same guy who got 4 titan x 2015's for free) and not one of the oldest tech sites still around today.
Click to expand...

Nobody got a review card afaik, all the ones you saw reviewed were purchased

Also I have to say, while review samples would be great, it's not like there was much doubt about the performance of this card. It's a 50% scaled up GP104, same ratios in every respect (tmu, rop, imc, SM, GPC) so the only thing that could possibly make it underperform is cpu bottlenecks.
 
Ieldra said:
Nobody got a review card afaik, all the ones you saw reviewed were purchased

Also I have to say, while review samples would be great, it's not like there was much doubt about the performance of this card. It's a 50% scaled up GP104, same ratios in every respect (tmu, rop, imc, SM, GPC) so the only thing that could possibly make it underperform is cpu bottlenecks.
Click to expand...

Some sites did indeed get free cards to review as did some YouTube channels.
 
Chris_B said:
Some sites did indeed get free cards to review as did some YouTube channels.
Click to expand...

That is indeed strange then, H wasn't particularly critical of the cooler, not that it would justify not sending them a card.
 
Ieldra said:
That is indeed strange then, H wasn't particularly critical of the cooler, not that it would justify not sending them a card.
Click to expand...

The coolers a heap of shit imo, looks the part but in terms of cooling its inadequate unless you set the fan to looney tunes mode.
 
Chris_B said:
The coolers a heap of shit imo, looks the part but in terms of cooling its inadequate unless you set the fan to looney tunes mode.
Click to expand...

Of course it's inadequate for overclocking, blowers are used because there's only one sku, it's good for multi-gpu setups and cases with limited airflow. Don't forget these cards will be bought by many non gamers and they won't necessarily put as much love into building their systems as we do. I have a friend who has a pc identical to mine and he hasn't even cleaned it once since he bought it, it runs 24/7 and he couldn't care less really.

Anyway yeah the cooler is simply inadequate for overclocking, but it can manage holding the boost clock if you adjust the fan curve.

Buy an artctic accelero extreme iv for it, or a waterblock
 
Ieldra said:
Of course it's inadequate for overclocking, blowers are used because there's only one sku, it's good for multi-gpu setups and cases with limited airflow. Don't forget these cards will be bought by many non gamers and they won't necessarily put as much love into building their systems as we do. I have a friend who has a pc identical to mine and he hasn't even cleaned it once since he bought it, it runs 24/7 and he couldn't care less really.

Anyway yeah the cooler is simply inadequate for overclocking, but it can manage holding the boost clock if you adjust the fan curve.

Buy an artctic accelero extreme iv for it, or a waterblock
Click to expand...


Shouldn't have to be any dicking around with it to hold the boost clocks, nvidia are always waffling about this being a "premium thermal" when its just like a shiny trinket use as part of the excuse to hike the price.
 
I would like to see cpu scaling using the Titan X Pascal, DX 12 stuff mostly. We just need more games to be able to test DX 12 with. Will an I7 6700K keep the Titan busy or does it need something more?
 
Chris_B said:
Shouldn't have to be any dicking around with it to hold the boost clocks, nvidia are always waffling about this being a "premium thermal" when its just like a shiny trinket use as part of the excuse to hike the price.
Click to expand...

Yeah and for the price it's really a shame the cooler is so mediocre. I still remember the performance boost I got by simply replacing the stock cooler on a 980 ti because suddenly it was holding its max boost clock.
 
noko said:
I would like to see cpu scaling using the Titan X Pascal, DX 12 stuff mostly. We just need more games to be able to test DX 12 with. Will an I7 6700K keep the Titan busy or does it need something more?
Click to expand...

I would say at 1080p it would be CPU Bound for sure. But 1440p and higher would be interesting to see.
 
Maddness said:
I would say at 1080p it would be CPU Bound for sure. But 1440p and higher would be interesting to see.
Click to expand...

Its not CPU bound at ALL at 1080p!! I game at both 1920X1200 and 2K and the Titan XP is a MONSTER! Overclocks better then my "old" 1080 FE! I didnt see that coming at all to be honest, i would have been happy with 1700 core boosts but Im getting 2000+ and my fan speed is set at 47%. GPU hasnt gone above 82C yet.
 
Tripp17 said:
Its not CPU bound at ALL at 1080p!! I game at both 1920X1200 and 2K and the Titan XP is a MONSTER! Overclocks better then my "old" 1080 FE! I didnt see that coming at all to be honest, i would have been happy with 1700 core boosts but Im getting 2000+ and my fan speed is set at 47%. GPU hasnt gone above 82C yet.
Click to expand...

I was talking CPU Bound, not GPU Bound. Set your monitor to 1080p. Leave your CPU at stock. Make a benchmark run and then overclocked the CPU. If the performance goes up, then it may well be CPU Bound. You would need to repeat this a different clocks to be sure. Don't overclocked the video card though.
 
Maddness said:
I was talking CPU Bound, not GPU Bound. Set your monitor to 1080p. Leave your CPU at stock. Make a benchmark run and then overclocked the CPU. If the performance goes up, then it may well be CPU Bound. You would need to repeat this a different clocks to be sure. Don't overclocked the video card though.
Click to expand...

Ohhh.. yes I agree with you. I believe there are times that if I had a faster CPU my frames would go up at 1080p. Almost positive actually. This is a great example where GPU technology has outpaced CPU tech
 
nilepez said:
To me it looks like there just aren't many cards. They only have 1 480x model in stock and only 2 of the cheaper 480 cards (and those have very few in stock).

you may be right, but it's pretty sad if people who are allegedly into tech just buy the brand that has the best top of the line card that they can't afford.
Click to expand...

It's not sad, it just brutal logical sense.

Generally, if I have to choose between 2 brands of something, I'll go for the brand that has the biggest range and best at the top. Why? I'll benefit from all that R&D thrown at the top when buying the budget versions.

If you buy a 1060, you have a chance of getting silicon that might have otherwise been sold as a higher binned part. If you buy a 480, that's all it was ever gunna be.

The Pascal architecture for a 1060 is the same as a Titan.
The Polaris architecture for a 480 is the same as a 480.


I mean, as an overclocker, as an enthusiast, why the hell would I even consider AMD for graphics right now?
 
verylostindeed said:
I have very mixed feelings about the Titan X being out of stock right now. On the one hand, GIVE IT TO ME NOW. On the other, thank god it's out of stock.
Click to expand...

This has been me almost every day. When I wake up, no coffee, half asleep - I check Titan XP stock and it's out. I come to my senses later. Then I had a few beers last night, checked Titan XP stock, and it was out. Sobered up today and still checking stock. I will probably order one...but to be honest I hate paying sales tax and NVIDIA charges me tax.
 
verylostindeed said:
I have very mixed feelings about the Titan X being out of stock right now. On the one hand, GIVE IT TO ME NOW. On the other, thank god it's out of stock.
Click to expand...

I was almost checked out (inputting card) but was too slow it went out of stock, wipes brow. Dammit, I'm not strong enough to wait till ti or vegans.
 
WorldExclusive said:
You're right from your point of view, but that's not what me and the other member was talking about.
We were talking about brand loyalty and how people will stick with AMD (waiting on Vega) regardless of Nvidia having faster options available now.
So in that quote, it was a comparison between each companies newest and fastest offering.
Click to expand...
I don't know when Vega is coming out. If it's not in the next few months, and youv'e got 1200 bucks, you might as well buy the Titan. If that's too much, then I'm back to the Titan X is irrelevant. But that's just me. I can afford that card, but for the most part I laugh at the idea of spending that much to play games (and then watch people bitch about game prices :confused:)
 
spine said:
It's not sad, it just brutal logical sense.

Generally, if I have to choose between 2 brands of something, I'll go for the brand that has the biggest range and best at the top. Why? I'll benefit from all that R&D thrown at the top when buying the budget versions.

If you buy a 1060, you have a chance of getting silicon that might have otherwise been sold as a higher binned part. If you buy a 480, that's all it was ever gunna be.

The Pascal architecture for a 1060 is the same as a Titan.
The Polaris architecture for a 480 is the same as a 480.


I mean, as an overclocker, as an enthusiast, why the hell would I even consider AMD for graphics right now?
Click to expand...
If the 480x is about as fast as a card that sells for 1.5x the price, then you're gaining nothing. Spine, most buyers do not overclock GPUs. In fact, the only people I know that do it are people online. Most of my friends that OCed in the 90's and aughts gave it up years ago.

It's a small niche market. So outside of that niche audience, it's sad.
 
nilepez said:
I don't know when Vega is coming out. If it's not in the next few months, and youv'e got 1200 bucks, you might as well buy the Titan. If that's too much, then I'm back to the Titan X is irrelevant. But that's just me. I can afford that card, but for the most part I laugh at the idea of spending that much to play games (and then watch people bitch about game prices :confused:)
Click to expand...

I just decided to use my EVGA Step-up for GTX 1070s before it runs out. I have two cards so I have to start it a little early so I don't have both in transit.
I'm sure a 1080Ti is somewhere, but it's not coming in the timeframe for me to lose more than $50 each on my 980Ti's. I see the used prices starting to slip to sub $350.
I'm breaking even so it's not a big deal to sidegrade, but drivers will come into play soon once the fall AAA titles start to roll out.

I'm willing to sell the 1070s if the Ti comes out this year. But the Titan X is nonsensical right now. I'm swamped with work and haven't played games in three weeks.
 
nilepez said:
If the 480x is about as fast as a card that sells for 1.5x the price, then you're gaining nothing. Spine, most buyers do not overclock GPUs. In fact, the only people I know that do it are people online. Most of my friends that OCed in the 90's and aughts gave it up years ago.

It's a small niche market. So outside of that niche audience, it's sad.
Click to expand...

That's certainly fair enough for the mass market. I was talking more from my perspective, as an enthusiast/overclocker here on these forums, and most definitely for me personally, I'd always buy a slightly slower card, or pay more for not much more if I knew it had the engineering potential to make it go way higher if I bust out my soldering iron.

Overclocking is sad? I thought this was [H]ard|Forum?
 
spine said:
Generally, if I have to choose between 2 brands of something, I'll go for the brand that has the biggest range and best at the top. Why? I'll benefit from all that R&D thrown at the top when buying the budget versions.
If you buy a 1060, you have a chance of getting silicon that might have otherwise been sold as a higher binned part. If you buy a 480, that's all it was ever gunna be.

The Pascal architecture for a 1060 is the same as a Titan.
The Polaris architecture for a 480 is the same as a 480.


I mean, as an overclocker, as an enthusiast, why the hell would I even consider AMD for graphics right now?
Click to expand...

To be fair, all sorts of crap can go wrong when cutting down a chip, like oh segmenting the memory because the controller won't take more memory but you can't sell it with so little memory. This has happened a few times in the past.

There's some good about a card designed for its specific market. Making an argument for or against a product being designed for its specific market it a wasted point imo.
 
I think the only thing holding me back is the dated reference cooler design. The card is expensive but I was willing to pull the trigger. I just can't stand the HSF design after using a card like the Asus STRIX design. Does anyone think eventually they will open it up to other companies for custom board designs ?
I really like quiet acoustics.
 
I wonder how many Titan X cards have ended up in the hands of HardOCP readers already. Maybe that's why they didn't send [H] one, we all bought one anyway :D
 
setz3r said:
I think the only thing holding me back is the dated reference cooler design. The card is expensive but I was willing to pull the trigger. I just can't stand the HSF design after using a card like the Asus STRIX design. Does anyone think eventually they will open it up to other companies for custom board designs ?
I really like quiet acoustics.
Click to expand...
They're probably never going to allow 3rd parties to customize it. I bought an EK full cover block for $125 and that will fix the acoustics/cooling.
 
Rizen said:
They're probably never going to allow 3rd parties to customize it. I bought an EK full cover block for $125 and that will fix the acoustics/cooling.
Click to expand...

Is the ek block out already or was that a pre-order from slovenia?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top