Nintendo NX is a lemon according to fudzilla

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Nintendo gives NX contract to Nvidia

According to Eurogamer Nintendo’s NX will be powered by Tegra but it is starting to look like that might not be such a victory for the Green team after all. In fact that Nintendo seems to be doing its best to make the console a lemon.
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The NX will not be backwards compatible with previous Wii and Wii U titles because the new console won’t just run Android and will run a Nintendo operating system. It will not have enough power to emulate anything either. Nvidia’s Tegra X1, with four Cortex-A57 cores at 1.9GHz can’t emulate the Wii U’s triple-core PowerPC architecture clocked at 1.249GHz. The fact that it is running proprietary software will miff developers who will not support it either.

The NX’s SoC will use a Tegra derivative and no one is really sure which chip. It might be an ARM quad-core Cortex-A57 cluster with a next-generation version of Nvidia’s Project Denver.
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Never seen such a frantic form of panic in one article
 
Nintendo is not "doing its best to make the console a lemon." Sheesh. People need to be more open minded.
 
I mentioned this in another thread but it bears repeating: if the NX is a portable/mobile console with detachable controllers, I will definitely buy one. If it supports 4 player split screen I will literally line up for the damn thing.

I can't speak for anyone else, but this is one of those things that I wanted, but I didn't even know I wanted. It will be the second coming of the N64.
 
What and idiot. If half the rumors and my own speculation are true, I'll buy this the minute it's available.
 
Nintendo continuing to make what it wants and not what the people want. Come back to this statement when the NX falls off just as fast as the Wii-U. They used to be innovative and that mojo is non-existent anymore.
 
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If they use the new Tegra (Pascal based) it will be fine, but if they use the old one...
 
kyriptic said:
How was it better than ps2 or Xbox?
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The gamecube was more powerful than the ps2 although it is worth saying that the disk space limits did cause some issues with bigger games. A good example of the graphics is to find the comparison pictures and videos of Resident Evil 4. They had to cut down the graphics a bit to get it to run as smooth on the PS2.

The xbox was more powerful than both.
 
It's also worth noting GameCube did come out after PS2 too, but I guess I was more referring to Wii and Wii u which were no where near as powerful as the ps3/360 or ps4/xb1
 
As a PC gamer, the news of the NX is far more exciting to me than the other consoles. I know there haven't been a hundred Wii/Wii U games that I feel I've missed out on but there are certainly a handful of games I have never gotten to see as they have always been Nintendo only. Taking themselves out of the mainstream console race to provide a "hybrid" console that is portable as well is a different market altogether. Perhaps they decided to give up trying to beat Xbox and PS4 and that is why they have decided to go with this model. I could also personally care less about the backwards compatibility, we all understand hardware limitations and there have to be some expectations of that putting it on the Tegra platform. If Nintendo can really KILL it with the next generation of games on this console, I will certainly line up to purchase one. Even though I haven't played Pokemon Go and have no desire to, it has sparked interested in playing whatever the next iteration is -- I would love to see a brand spankin new Pokemon game on the latest Nintendo hardware.
 
4saken said:
Nintendo continuing to make what it wants and not what the people want. Come back to this statement when the NX falls off just as fast as the Wii-U. They used to be innovative and that mojo is non-existent anymore.
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Wait, what? A detachable console is not innovative? Name all the detachable consoles on the market.

What you really mean here is that Nintendo is not making what you want, and what you want is likely very much like the PS4 Neo or XB1 Scorpio: something that just jacks up specs and has an HDMI port and a controller. How exactly would Nintendo's console be in any way separate and distinguished if they just ramped up specs and competed on hardware? I find the bitching about the Wii U and NX to be quite contrived. People claim it's all about playing games, Nintendo proceeds makes excellent games, yet those same complainers will not pony up $200 for a Wii U to play them.

IMO, if you have a gaming PC, then a Nintendo console and/or portable are the perfect complements. You don't need an XB1 or a PS4 if you have a gaming PC. You already have access to 98% of their library. You have 0% access to Nintendo's library, however.
 
Terpfen said:
You don't need an XB1 or a PS4 if you have a gaming PC. You already have access to 98% of their library. You have 0% access to Nintendo's library, however.
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if you have a cell phone you can play pokemon go haha. With emulation i'd think it would be closer to you can play 75% of their library on pc.
 
It's Fudzilla. The only reason anyone believes fuck all that site says is because it caters to their fanboyism.
 
Not having BC with Wii-U would be a bit shit, I've been wanting to play some Wii-U games but it hasn't really dropped to a good price yet IMO. If it had BC I would just buy an NX.
 
MavericK said:
Not having BC with Wii-U would be a bit shit, I've been wanting to play some Wii-U games but it hasn't really dropped to a good price yet IMO. If it had BC I would just buy an NX.
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I wouldn't be surprised if it had BC with digital games, but if it uses SD-style cards instead of discs it won't support physical games.
 
kyriptic said:
if you have a cell phone you can play pokemon go haha. With emulation i'd think it would be closer to you can play 75% of their library on pc.
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Pokemon Go is a licensed Nintendo IP developed by a third party, not a first-party or second-party Nintendo game.

And we're not counting emulation because you can't emulate the Wii U yet, which is the console library I'm talking about. My context was pretty clear.
 
Personally, the NX looks like the next DS/Gameboy and not the successor to the WiiU.
 
Derangel said:
It's Fudzilla. The only reason anyone believes fuck all that site says is because it caters to their fanboyism.
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The original source is Eurogamer, not Fudzilla. Eurogamer is an SJW hellhole, but this is probably legitimate.
 
Terpfen said:
The original source is Eurogamer, not Fudzilla. Eurogamer is an SJW hellhole, but this is probably legitimate.
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Eurogamer is the source of the supposed leak, Fudzilla is the one taking it and running away with it, making wild guesses and speculation. That was my point about believing a single word they say about anything.
 
Terpfen said:
Pokemon Go is a licensed Nintendo IP developed by a third party, not a first-party or second-party Nintendo game.

And we're not counting emulation because you can't emulate the Wii U yet, which is the console library I'm talking about. My context was pretty clear.
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no wii u emulator? might want to check out

 
Well, I'm assuming that "Wii Motes" will not be part of the new system. If so, what would iit be backwards compatible with, GameCube?

I don't have a problem with it lacking BC.
 
If it's Tegra X2 with pascal and denver, it should be a very nice handheld console. It would probably be the first Nintendo system I've even taken an interest in since the Wii. Still not sure I'd buy it but if they have a kick ass Zelda and Mario game for it, I'll probably cave.
 
Still nothing official yet. But if rumors that it's using the X2 are true... i'd buy it for the right price.
 
Terpfen said:
Wait, what? A detachable console is not innovative? Name all the detachable consoles on the market.

What you really mean here is that Nintendo is not making what you want, and what you want is likely very much like the PS4 Neo or XB1 Scorpio: something that just jacks up specs and has an HDMI port and a controller. How exactly would Nintendo's console be in any way separate and distinguished if they just ramped up specs and competed on hardware? I find the bitching about the Wii U and NX to be quite contrived. People claim it's all about playing games, Nintendo proceeds makes excellent games, yet those same complainers will not pony up $200 for a Wii U to play them.

IMO, if you have a gaming PC, then a Nintendo console and/or portable are the perfect complements. You don't need an XB1 or a PS4 if you have a gaming PC. You already have access to 98% of their library. You have 0% access to Nintendo's library, however.
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Exactly this. Couldn't have said this better myself. People really have no idea what they want. The landscape has changed since the day of the Genesis/SNES war. Putting out a console that is just a Nintendo-branded XBox or PS4 would just be stupid. Nintendo does their own thing now, and while it does limit them in a few ways where 3rd parties are concerned, I'd really hate to see them as a copy-cat company just trying to do a spec-war with two other companies that are now selling watered down PCs. That would be asinine. Is this what people are actually asking for?

I personally count on Nintendo to give me top quality games that aren't Assassin's Creed or CoD, and give me new ways to play them. If I wanted a fucking XBox I would buy an XBox. Instead I buy a PC and Nintendo consoles and handhelds, and get a wide variety of games for my family and I to enjoy. IMO this is how it should be. Feel free to disagree, but I feel like the people that "get" this, are much happier gamers.
 
MavericK said:
Not having BC with Wii-U would be a bit shit, I've been wanting to play some Wii-U games but it hasn't really dropped to a good price yet IMO. If it had BC I would just buy an NX.
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While I would prefer backwards compatibility on the standard wii-u games it isn't a deal breaker to me. One thing they need to do that is complete bullshit though is fix the virtual console shop. Let me play the games from virtual console on every nintendo device powerful enough to run them without making me jump through hoops. On the wii-u you could pay extra to upgrade to the wii-u version of a virtual console game if they had it or set the system into wii mode and play the games that way loosing support for the wii-u controller. With whatever the new system ends up being I would like to be able to just download my virtual console games to it without issue. Also it would be nice for this stuff not to be tied to a console and be tied to a nintendo account(they might have already fixed this, haven't checked in a while).
 
5150Joker said:
If it's Tegra X2 with pascal and denver, it should be a very nice handheld console. It would probably be the first Nintendo system I've even taken an interest in since the Wii. Still not sure I'd buy it but if they have a kick ass Zelda and Mario game for it, I'll probably cave.
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Interesting if true. Would also explain how there were rumors of AMD getting the job of building the NX hardware and now we hear this but nothing of AMD. Maybe Nvidia wanted in on the console thing.
Could be really cool
 
swatbat said:
The gamecube was more powerful than the ps2 although it is worth saying that the disk space limits did cause some issues with bigger games. A good example of the graphics is to find the comparison pictures and videos of Resident Evil 4. They had to cut down the graphics a bit to get it to run as smooth on the PS2.

The xbox was more powerful than both.
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In terms of maximum capable performance across all consoles that generation, the Xbox was actually not much more powerful than the PS2. In total, the PS2 had around 6 GFLOP/s of processing power, the Xbox had around 7 GFLOP/s, and the Gamecube had about 11 GFLOP/s. The PS2 by far had the most powerful ASIC, while the Gamecube had the best GPU. The Xbox was kind of at a disadvantage, basically just having generic mobile and desktop hardware thrown together inside.
 
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Gamecube had the disadvantage because Nintendo was backing it thanks to their horrendous third party support and stupid little gimmick disks. If xbox was at a disadvantage it never showed it, basically every multiplatform title looked better on it and usually supporting normal maps and progressive scan that the other consoles didn't get. Built in hdd made it even more capable as well.

KazeoHin said:
Personally, the NX looks like the next DS/Gameboy and not the successor to the WiiU.
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They already announced that a while back, it's not going to be a replacement to the Wiiu.
Wiiu could be Nintendo's last true home console as mobile seems more profitable for them anyways.

I don't know how many nintendo fans will be happy to run out and buy yet another 720p 30fps non backwards compatible console but now its 'portable'.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
The NX will not be backwards compatible with previous Wii and Wii U titles
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Anyone else have the thought that Android and even on the Play Store has a abundance of emulators that work really well? There are N64, PS1, Gameboy, Nintendo DS emulators.... Who's to say that Nintendo couldn't make a Android-based emulator for the NX and be able to buy digital Wii and Wii U games? Although admittedly, Wii U games would be hard since a lot of them rely on the touch-pad controller.
 
zamardii12 said:
Anyone else have the thought that Android and even on the Play Store has a abundance of emulators that work really well? There are N64, PS1, Gameboy, Nintendo DS emulators.... Who's to say that Nintendo couldn't make a Android-based emulator for the NX and be able to buy digital Wii and Wii U games? Although admittedly, Wii U games would be hard since a lot of them rely on the touch-pad controller.
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I found the whole story kind of disheartening, Nintendo usually does a good job of making things good/okay for their customers. If it came to emulators being needed for NX I'm sure that Nintendo is working on it already. Didn't Nvidia have some stuff already done for shield tablet, that would be easy to port ....
 
Pieter3dnow said:
I found the whole story kind of disheartening, Nintendo usually does a good job of making things good/okay for their customers. If it came to emulators being needed for NX I'm sure that Nintendo is working on it already. Didn't Nvidia have some stuff already done for shield tablet, that would be easy to port ....
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Again however, this is all just "speculation". There are no official details posted what-so-ever anywhere. All these threads are just sites click-baiting, hoping they will be partially correct in some way so they can claim they said it first.

Don't think about it until it comes from the horses mouth.
 
yourgrandma said:
I don't know how many nintendo fans will be happy to run out and buy yet another 720p 30fps non backwards compatible console but now its 'portable'.
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If they use a Pascal based Tegra IC, and we just get a general idea of performance from the existing automotive geared ones, ~4 TFlop or so performance. How is that a 720p 30fps product? That is easily 1080/60 level performance, especially with the types of games Nintendo typically makes. That's just a rough idea though. Still let's say they scale it back a little bit for cooling/cost reasons and it comes in with performance a little lower than that. That's still well withing the ball park needed for a good 1080 experience. Their games already look very nice on the Wii U as is.
 
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Good on Nintendo for thinking outside the box, gaming has been stuck in the mud for years. I plan on buying an NX but only if the controller isn't too small. I'm not trading cramps for Metroid.
 
Derangel said:
I wouldn't be surprised if it had BC with digital games, but if it uses SD-style cards instead of discs it won't support physical games.
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The dock could have a disk drive. Having the next Zelda running on it should give hope to the hardware atleast being powerful enough to run wii u games.
 
Pnanasnoic said:
Good on Nintendo for thinking outside the box, gaming has been stuck in the mud for years. I plan on buying an NX but only if the controller isn't too small. I'm not trading cramps for Metroid.
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I'll be buying it for sure. I do agree though. I hope it's a bit more larger-hand friendly than the 3DSes. I find that they're mostly comfortable until I have to use the shoulder buttons for something. I don't like to hold it with my fingers on them like I would with a "normal" gamepad. The Wii U controller is great IMO, so if it's something in between the 3DS and Wii U spacing-wise, I think it will be great.
 
4saken said:
Nintendo continuing to make what it wants and not what the people want. Come back to this statement when the NX falls off just as fast as the Wii-U. They used to be innovative and that mojo is non-existent anymore.
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Our Wii U is in the garage .. that is the state of Nintendo in our household
 
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