NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Founders Edition Review @ [H]

cptnjarhead said:
Not the 480 killer everyone boasted it would be, not to mention no SLI. With that price, you really have to be a green team only, and even then, why not save up for the 1070? Not sure where this fits in.
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Only if you WANT multi-GPU - for a lot of us, multi-GPU is worthless. In my own case, multi-GPU is worthless because my motherboard doesn't support it. (For others, the reason for multi-GPU being useless are likely different - insufficient PSU could well be one of them, though that isn't the case for me - given motherboard support, I could go dual-RX480 or even dual-GTX 1070.)
Another reason GTX 1060 (of all sorts) comes out ahead is that, at WORST, I will be reinstalling the current driver (which is the latest Game-Ready driver); if the GTX 1060 has a newer launch driver, I download and install that. In either case, it's a "quibble" upgrade.
Power requirements - single 8-pin (either AIB or FE). Still quibble turf (current GPU is a single 6-pin).
The other problem - right now, neither GTX 1060 or AMD RX480 qualifies in any way as really *available in volume* - even from the AIBs.
 
Meeho said:
True, the 970 uses a massive 8 W more at multi-monitor idle ...
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The ASUS ROG STRIX GTX 970 is at the moment running at 45C in my 26C room. In a CM Haf XB Evo, which is very close to being an open case.
 
I was expecting the 1060 to stack up a lot better vs. the 480 based on the 1080/1070 performance, wow! Glad to be wrong and hopefully AMD can keep making some much needed cash with the 480. We need both GFX vendors to have good products so they have to compete on price after all. :)

Still liking the new video card review format too, nice change.
 
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Well put Troublemagnet
Now let's just hope AMD can pump out huge supply of 480 to aib vendors
AMD really needed to get some market share back and make some money to pay off their huge debts. Even if you prefer to use Nvidia cards, everyone would be much worst off if AMD went under. Can you imagine how big the "founders edition" pricing would be if there was no AMD!?
 
sleepybp said:
Yes, I see that you are in a very unique situation with priority on temperature. Like others said you can spend your money how you like it. It's just a shock to me that one wouldn't spend $70 more to get a 1070 which has very similar temps/power for so much more performance.
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I thought about it - Frys' Electronics down the street has the ROG STRIX GTX 1070 in stock and I could have had it in an hour.
But the added cost wouldn't have brought anything of value to me with it. And I'm sure someone somewhere really wants that GTX 1070. ;)

At the end of the days, most people buying these GTX 10X0 cards is spending money to get more eye candy in a video game - much cheaper options can run any game at the lowest settings. So from one perspective, we're all being silly with our money. $700 to run a $60 video game a little faster or prettier? Really? That's not even a first world problem, that's a 1% problem.

I want my case to be cooler. I can afford to make that happen. So I did.
 
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Reading the review i wondered why RX 480 4GB wasn't tested since 6GB is in the middle of 8 and 4.
All review samples of RX 480 supports flashing back and forth between 8 and 4 GB.
I really would have liked to see GTX 1060 tested against RX 480 4GB
 
Just shows that Kyle hates AMD ROFL just kidding

It looks like Nvidia just nerfed the card too much.
I hated the statement they made that its faster than a 980..Numbers don't seem to match their bs. Damn they are getting as bad as AMD
 
Quartz-1 said:
The RX 480 and the GTX 1060 are the same price here in the UK. Would it be reasonable to say that someone concentrating on their library of DX 9 / DX 11 games would be best advised to go for the 1060 and that someone moving on to DX 12 would be best advised to go for the RX 480?
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I would agree to a point, but the gains had by the RX480 just by changing the API really would make me lean towards the 480 just because it seems to be more futureproof (if you can call a midrange card futureproof).

The 1060 is a great card, but the FE is way overpriced.
 
NKD said:
110 bucks shipped for that 970 and we have a deal. Get rid of that heat monster and help the brother out. My nephew will love it!!! Think about it, its like buying your 1060 for 229? :) Lets do this... awaiting your response, I am serious!
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Sounds like too much hassle for a $100.

And more to the point, then you'd know who I am. Nothing personal, I don't know you, but getting doxed is not on wish list. Sorry.
 
Pretty much sums Pascal in a nutshell..over glorified dx11 cards that won't last outside a generation, vega/volta can't come soon enough.
 
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NKD said:
and I think they also bit their ass and did what amd did with fury x. Over promise and sort of under deliver. Hype was real with this and even with insane boost speeds it comes around the same average as rx 480. I got mine for cheap only reason I pulled the trigger because its a system with a cheap power supply. At 208 for me I couldn't help it lol. My best buy points were sitting their waiting to be used. you are right though now it seems all of sudden this thing is boosting way above stock boost clocks and rx 480 reference is at its boost clock. The RX 480 AIB cards are only going to be faster now with less headroom for the 1060. Its weird to think this but its true. Surprised that this card is boosting so much out of the box and still not able to beat rx 480 in every game.

O well not for me, cheap card for kids system when they come over lol. They will be happy. I do have 30 days to test it lol.
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Exactly how cheap IS the PSU? Is it a bottom-tier (but otherwise quality) PSU (such as my own Corsair CX600M)? (This particular model gets sneered at because Corsair switched sources for the CX series - and mine came post-switch.) However, the very reason I can go with a 600W PSU is due to my running an mATX motherboard - my case has more room for peripherals than my motherboard will support. Thanks to GPUs like the GTX 10 series (except for high end AIB models, none require more than a single-8-pin PSU feed and a current 1080p display-driven ceiling, a GTX 1080 is Severe Overkill - even if I could afford it - the GTX 1060, however, is Just Right - in terms of both price, and usability as of Right Now), I can move from Fermi directly to Pascal without nuking the budget or making ANY half-steps - as long as they solve the availability problem.
 
DejaWiz said:
I'm going to give the nod to the 480 this round, despite the higher power draw and heat, which I am a stickler for. AMD gave us a $200-250 1080p DX12 killer with an 8GB option.

For modest gamers that don't place utmost priority on super maxed out ultra settings, I'd be inclined to recommend the 1060 once custom cooler AIB options arrive because of the lower power draw and heat output...but only if it's equivalent or cheaper priced than an 8GB 480 custom cooler AIB opion.

As it stands right now: 480 8GB vs 1060FE 6GB the win goes to AMD imo.

Thanks for another great review, [H]!
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The higher power draw of the 480 is going to affect its' OC capabiltiies. In fact, enabling the compatibility mode basically removes any Turbo headroom the card had. This should change with 3rd party brand cards.

Araxie said:
damn, I eat my own words, this card is a massive failure at that price, I would never recommend this card over an RX 480... the only good thing about this POS card is the high efficiency it have and then and will eat all the OEM market which where the marketshare is heavier due that single reason..
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I wouldn't say massive failure, slower by under 10% in some games, faster by under 10% in other games. For much less heat/watts. Which means it has more potential left in the GPU. 3rd party cards, and OC'd cards are going to change the picture. It will just all come down to the price of those cards. But give it 4 weeks, we will be reading another review where the tables have turned.

Great review [H]. My takeaway was it's basically even with the 480. Which is kinda sad for AMD, as this GPU was likely meant to take on the 1080? Seems unlikely they would design a GPU for the bottom end of the market, foregoing the top end unless you SLI... I think they are working with what they have, and didn't have any other options...

Sucks for us because the 1080 and 1080ti (which I am waiting for) will have no direct competitor.. price will be who knows what.. AMD get your shit together already.
 
Oden said:
Reading the review i wondered why RX 480 4GB wasn't tested since 6GB is in the middle of 8 and 4.
All review samples of RX 480 supports flashing back and forth between 8 and 4 GB.
I really would have liked to see GTX 1060 tested against RX 480 4GB
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you could have started your first post with something better. It's not AMDs fault nvidia decided to put 6gb ram on their card, why would you want to gimp a review? lol Just look at 4gb rx 480 review on your own performance is not much different. Its essentially same. Plus we are comparing prices here. Nvidia is pricing their card higher than rx480 reference cards. Average being around 280 on these. So why compare a 280 dollar card to 200 dollar card? doesn't make any sense. The cards are being compared with their respective price range. When nvidia has a card at 199 we can compare it to rx 480.
 
GoodBoy said:
The higher power draw of the 480 is going to affect its' OC capabiltiies. In fact, enabling the compatibility mode basically removes any Turbo headroom the card had. This should change with 3rd party brand cards.



I wouldn't say massive failure, slower by under 10% in some games, faster by under 10% in other games. For much less heat/watts. Which means it has more potential left in the GPU. 3rd party cards, and OC'd cards are going to change the picture. It will just all come down to the price of those cards. But give it 4 weeks, we will be reading another review where the tables have turned.

Great review [H]. My takeaway was it's basically even with the 480. Which is kinda sad for AMD, as this GPU was likely meant to take on the 1080? Seems unlikely they would design a GPU for the bottom end of the market, foregoing the top end unless you SLI... I think they are working with what they have, and didn't have any other options...

Sucks for us because the 1080 and 1080ti (which I am waiting for) will have no direct competitor.. price will be who knows what.. AMD get your shit together already.
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not really. Have you seen this review was done at boost clocks of 1843 average? The cord does not have much OC ahead of it. At best you might get around another 100 sustained average clocks. Asus is reporting up to 19% performance increase with sustained boost clocks of 1330 on the rx 480. So looks like one has more headroom then the other.
 
Wow $299, 2GB less?.....lets not even bring up SLI....

Think i would rather spend my money for $80 more and get a 1070 WHEN it finally hits $380
 
"I wouldn't say massive failure, slower by under 10% in some games, faster by under 10% in other games"

It's not a massive failure, but the real test will be when the aib 1060 overclocked vs aib 480 overclocked numbers are compared. Because of the way that the 1060 is already boosting over 1800mhz stock, it gains only small amount when oc to 2100 boost. I think the OC 480 @1400+ is going to be equal or better than 1060 OC in DX11, and crush it in DX12/vulcan, plus you get 8gb instead of 6gb. Of course the 480 will take more power but it's not as bad as the previous gen with power consumption. Also, the 480 aib will most likely be 20 bucks cheaper than 1060 aib

On another note, the 1060 review and pricing makes the 1070 look very attractive when it comes down to the $380 msrp. 1070 is just way too much more powerful to buy a 1060 at that price point
 
i was watching Tech of tomorrow's review, and i have to say i'm somewhat confused by its results at DOOM Vulcan, compared to the ones here at [H].
At 1440p, ultra settings, and while the GTX1060 has almost the same fps on both reviews, there is a huge deviation about the results of RX480 !!
How can it be the GTX1060 to have exactly the same fps, while the fps of RX480 to be way off between the 2 reviews? (*and with such deviations we can reach entirely different conclusions about how well the RX480 performs on DOOM Vulcan compared to GTX 1060 !! :confused: )
 
-Strelok- said:
No it's not fucking legit, I'm obviously just trolling. No way I could be pissed off at how they took a perfectly capable CCC and turned it into a piece of junk that "looks nice". It's either called Crimson or just "Radeon Settings".

FYI I am running an HD 7950 right now, which uses AMD drivers.
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Dude, why are you ranting about CCC and Crimson in a GTX 1060 review thread?
 
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NKD said:
you could have started your first post with something better. It's not AMDs fault nvidia decided to put 6gb ram on their card, why would you want to gimp a review? lol Just look at 4gb rx 480 review on your own performance is not much different. Its essentially same. Plus we are comparing prices here. Nvidia is pricing their card higher than rx480 reference cards. Average being around 280 on these. So why compare a 280 dollar card to 200 dollar card? doesn't make any sense. The cards are being compared with their respective price range. When nvidia has a card at 199 we can compare it to rx 480.
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I don't get your point.
The card that GTX 1060 will compete against is RX 480 and it comes in both 8 and 4GB so i do think it still would make sense to try against both since 6GB is in between 8 and 4.

Edit: What review do you refer to?
It's not in the RX 480 review or the crossfire review.
Introduction - AMD Radeon RX 480 Video Card Review
Introduction - AMD Radeon RX 480 8GB CrossFire Review
 
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These are averages over 20+ games

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Is there actually any stock? Nothing at all for Canada with retailers listing the earliest we should expect some is the end of July with many other AIB ones not showing up till mid-August. Feels like a paper launch.
 
Lord Risky said:
Dude, why are you ranking about CCC and Crimson in a GTX 1060 review thread?
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If you had read more than 1 post you would realize why. I'll let you know anyways though. GTX 1060 competes with RX 480. RX 480 uses CCC/Crimson. CCC/Crimson is now shit, at least in my experience, therefore it gives me more reason to go for a GTX 1060. Got it?
 
PGHammer said:
Exactly how cheap IS the PSU? Is it a bottom-tier (but otherwise quality) PSU (such as my own Corsair CX600M)? (This particular model gets sneered at because Corsair switched sources for the CX series - and mine came post-switch.) However, the very reason I can go with a 600W PSU is due to my running an mATX motherboard - my case has more room for peripherals than my motherboard will support. Thanks to GPUs like the GTX 10 series (except for high end AIB models, none require more than a single-8-pin PSU feed and a current 1080p display-driven ceiling, a GTX 1080 is Severe Overkill - even if I could afford it - the GTX 1060, however, is Just Right - in terms of both price, and usability as of Right Now), I can move from Fermi directly to Pascal without nuking the budget or making ANY half-steps - as long as they solve the availability problem.
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Its not cheap its just old 700w. Its been running though so trying to squeeze whatever I can out of it.
 
DrLobotomy said:
$ 300 for that thing with no SLI and only available thru NVidia? Sounds kinda strange. O well. AMD 480 wins this one.
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That dose have it good points as it put an end to price gouging and limited it to one per person as right now unlike with the RX 480 handful left where try to selling $350+ even on eBay's no thanks as every store is OUT OF STOCK and AIB card are out
 
NKD said:
not really. Have you seen this review was done at boost clocks of 1843 average? The cord does not have much OC ahead of it. At best you might get around another 100 sustained average clocks. Asus is reporting up to 19% performance increase with sustained boost clocks of 1330 on the rx 480. So looks like one has more headroom then the other.
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Doesn't have much oc ahead based on what?

It's a whole new process: 16nm vs 28nm. Maxwells' OC performance may or may not play out in this GPU. We gotta wait for those reviews to know for sure. We are both just crystal balling at this point. But the power usage and temps are both in very favorable places right now for good OC potential. On the Pascal gpu. Those indicators are a lot less favorable on the 480.
 
I would recommend the 480 for two very good reasons:

1. DX12/Vulkan performance absolutely wrecked Pascal, and it shows you that NVIDIA went after clockspeed (which provides good performance in DX11 it must be said) while AMD went after future looking architecture.

3. 6GB vs 8 GB. Yeah, 6GB seems fine now, but look at the last graph on the Doom Vulkan part. The bench, which was only at 1080p, couldn't even be run on the GTX 980 because it requires at least 5GB VRAM. How long until the highest quality settings preclude 6GB of VRAM?

I think the RX 480 is sufficient in DX11, but will continue to be the better card for DX12/Vulkan, and I know I don't plan to upgrade until another lithography shrink, I'm looking long term.
 
Hazard said:
Is there actually any stock? Nothing at all for Canada with retailers listing the earliest we should expect some is the end of July with many other AIB ones not showing up till mid-August. Feels like a paper launch.
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It's coming in and out of stock on newegg in the US, dunno how much stock newegg canada has...
 
GoodBoy said:
Doesn't have much oc ahead based on what?

It's a whole new process: 16nm vs 28nm. Maxwells' OC performance may or may not play out in this GPU. We gotta wait for those reviews to know for sure. We are both just crystal balling at this point. But the power usage and temps are both in very favorable places right now for good OC potential. On the Pascal gpu. Those indicators are a lot less favorable on the 480.
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If you have to count on a high overclock you've already lost....

They're both good cards depending on what games you like to play.
 
-Strelok- said:
If you had read more than 1 post you would realize why. I'll let you know anyways though. GTX 1060 competes with RX 480. RX 480 uses CCC/Crimson. CCC/Crimson is now shit, at least in my experience, therefore it gives me more reason to go for a GTX 1060. Got it?
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say what? Only thing I hate about crimson is transparency that I hate I would rather have solid colors. Other than that it works just fine.
 
Haven't had time to read this thread yet but Brent_Justice is this the full review or are we to expect more than just 4 games? Because the overall content of this review is more like a preview.

Anyhow, here's Digital Foundry's video comparison which I always enjoy:



If it hasn't been mentioned yet, here's TPUs overall take:

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And a pretty nice $250 version here (currently sold out): GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1060 WINDFORCE GV-N1060D5-6GD-Newegg.com

Seems NVIDIA delivered as promised, it's faster than 480, annihilates it in perf/watt, delivers on the $250 promise, OC's up to 2-2.1 GHz and runs around 78C.
 
Sith'ari said:
i was watching Tech of tomorrow's review, and i have to say i'm somewhat confused by its results at DOOM Vulcan, compared to the ones here at [H].
At 1440p, ultra settings, and while the GTX1060 has almost the same fps on both reviews, there is a huge deviation about the results of RX480 !!
How can it be the GTX1060 to have exactly the same fps, while the fps of RX480 to be way off between the 2 reviews? (*and with such deviations we can reach entirely different conclusions about how well the RX480 performs on DOOM Vulcan compared to GTX 1060 !! :confused: )
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Probably the settings they used, though I can't make much sense of them...what does all this mean, exactly:
Open GL game - Highest/All On/Ultra/8xAA/On/SMAA 1TX/130 FoV
Aniso 16x Decal/MB High
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Sith'ari said:
i was watching Tech of tomorrow's review, and i have to say i'm somewhat confused by its results at DOOM Vulcan, compared to the ones here at [H].
At 1440p, ultra settings, and while the GTX1060 has almost the same fps on both reviews, there is a huge deviation about the results of RX480 !!
How can it be the GTX1060 to have exactly the same fps, while the fps of RX480 to be way off between the 2 reviews? (*and with such deviations we can reach entirely different conclusions about how well the RX480 performs on DOOM Vulcan compared to GTX 1060 !! :confused: )
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You will probably get a better response in Tech of Tomorrow's forums for questions about Tech of Tomorrow's review results.
 
So basically the 1060 is an overpriced flop. I was not expecting this. It seems like AMD really caught nVidia off guard with the 480.

Also not cool was nVidia telling tall tales about this card being faster than a 980 when it's actually a good bit slower. It seems like they did that out of desperation to keep people from rushing to buy 480s.

AMD has won the mainstream/1080p segment. This is a win for consumers.
 
pcgeekesq said:
I thought about it - Frys' Electronics down the street has the ROG STRIX GTX 1070 in stock and I could have had it in an hour.
But the added cost wouldn't have brought anything of value to me with it. And I'm sure someone somewhere really wants that GTX 1070. ;)

At the end of the days, most people buying these GTX 10X0 cards is spending money to get more eye candy in a video game - much cheaper options can run any game at the lowest settings. So from one perspective, we're all being silly with our money. $700 to run a $60 video game a litter faster or prettier? Really? That's not even a first world problem, that's a 1% problem.

I want my case to be cooler. I can afford to make that happen. So I did. I
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In my case, I'm admittedly display-capped; however, in the short term, I want to have as much eyecandy as I can at that cap - if I can do it strictly with a GPU upgrade that is not a budget-buster, so much the better. (I have deliberately capped the ceiling for ANY single-item upgrade at $300USD - just to keep things sane.)

That artificial cap right away bounced all the GTX 1070/GTX 1080 choices - too expensive.
That left AMD's RX480 and nVidia's GTX 1060 (minus the 1060 FE; also too pricey).
For all the performance-speak about the RX480, it might as well be made from Invisibilium - it disappears from inventory faster than Nathan's Finest disappears at their sponsored hot-dog eating contests in the summer.
UNfortunately, it looks like the GTX 1060 is going to be suffering the same fate.
 
Once the aib 480s come out and oc it will equal the 1060 oc in dx11 and crush 1060 in future dx12/vulcan. And be cheaper than 1060 with more memory @8gb.

480 will oc to 1400 but 1060 is already near max bc it already boosts over 1800 stock out of the box
 
Thanks for posting HALF A FUCKING REVIEW.

JUST FOUR GAMES is somehow supposed to tell us how these two perform accurately?

And you released half a benchmark result with Doom, as we HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE how fast the Vulkan results are if you don't perform OpenGL as well. Cause REFERENCE POINT?

You guys are seriously staring to lose me as a reader. The lack of multiple games tested and multiple settings just means you read like some half-assed benchmark site.
 
NKD said:
what? LOL. you are too paranoid so I wouldn't wanna deal with you anyways.
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You can never be too paranoid on the Internet, because complete strangers will screw with you for the lulz if you give them the chance.
 
sleepybp said:
Once the aib 480s come out and oc it will equal the 1060 oc in dx11 and crush 1060 in future dx12/vulcan. And be cheaper than 1060 with more memory @8gb.

480 will oc to 1400 but 1060 is already near max bc it already boosts over 1800 stock out of the box
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1060 already OCs to above 2Ghz in reviews. Factory OCs just makes it even worse for the 480, the fastest factory OC for 480 is what since the 480 is already pushed to its limits. highest I can find here in Denmark is 1328Mhz. And home OC is a no brainer in favour of 1060.

The EVGA SC for example is already at:
1607MHz Base Clock
1835MHz Boost Clock
 
defaultluser said:
Thanks for posting HALF A FUCKING REVIEW.

JUST FOUR GAMES is somehow supposed to tell us how these two perform accurately?

And you released half a benchmark result with Doom, as we HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE how fast the Vulkan results are if you don't perform OpenGL as well. Cause REFERENCE POINT?

You guys are seriously staring to lose me as a reader. The last of multiple games and multiple settings just means you read like some half-assed benchmark site.
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you really need a loud speaker to tell you how much better vulkan is than open gl? Why do you need to have open gl results when both cards are being tested with the future API? lol There are plenty of tests comparing open gl vs vulkan. Vulkan doens't hurt nvidia cards its just that amd cards gain much more than nvidia. so its a fair game. Plus if you don't like it read other reviews, [H] actually tests game play experience not just benches. So you know what the cards will do over a certain period of gaming.
 
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