a level-headed take on the whole Radeon RX 480 "issue"

pendragon1

pendragon1

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had this video pop up on my yt recommended list today. never seen him before but I liked his presentation and his take on the whole 480 issue is very level-headed. in a gist; if your not running 9+ year old hardware the 480 will run fine for you.

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No link? Or is the joke that there is no level headed take on this ;)
 
pendragon1 said:
had this video pop up on my yt recommended list today. never seen him before but I liked his presentation and his take on the whole 480 issue is very level-headed. in a gist; if your not running 9+ year old hardware the 480 will run fine for you.
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Share the link pendragon1.
 
Most of us have been saying a complete failure is unlikely straight away (it may be happening albeit rarely depending if one trusts any of those reporting the issue), but give it a couple of years and when the customer removes the card for a new model that is when it could fully fail the PCIe slot, and the customer would blame the new card.
Of course longer term scenario is only an issue if AMD do not resolve this.
Also there is no knowing what influences this is having over time on the power characteristics (and noise) associated with everything linked to the PCIe slot and atx12V 24-pin, really needs an expensive analyser to monitor - again not an issue or consideration if AMD fixes this, until then makes sense to discuss the power characteristics of the 480.

Cheers
 
Pretty sensible analyses in my opinion...YMMV depending on each setup. Like the guy said those with certain systems this card is not a perfect fit for, of course that applys to just about any card. :woot: Truth be told, I dont think AMD cards in general are best suited for extreme noobs....They have a history of MINOR issues that are easily tweaked perfect by ALMOST any [H] kind of person.
 
CSI_PC said:
Most of us have been saying a complete failure is unlikely straight away (it may be happening albeit rarely depending if one trusts any of those reporting the issue), but give it a couple of years and when the customer removes the card for a new model that is when it could fully fail the PCIe slot, and the customer would blame the new card.
Of course longer term scenario is only an issue if AMD do not resolve this.
Also there is no knowing what influences this is having over time on the power characteristics (and noise) associated with everything linked to the PCIe slot and atx12V 24-pin, really needs an expensive analyser to monitor - again not an issue or consideration if AMD fixes this, until then makes sense to discuss the power characteristics of the 480.

Cheers
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5 year old board after a couple of years is frickin 7-8 years old, and if you stick in a new graphics card in a 7 year old board its even more pointless. At that point its really time to upgrade the computer. I would never stick in a 240 dollar video card in a 5-8 year old system. I guess thats just me.
 
primetime said:
Pretty sensible analyses in my opinion...YMMV depending on each setup. Like the guy said those with certain systems this card is not a perfect fit for, of course that applys to just about any card. :woot: Truth be told, I dont think AMD cards in general are best suited for extreme noobs....They have a history of MINOR issues that are easily tweaked perfect by ALMOST any [H] kind of person.
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Yep, the hurdles we jump across and not even think about it can be a China wall to others while we scratch our heads WTH up with that person?
 
The card has been out for a week, no reviewers had problems, no customers had problems. I saw one miner complain about his board from 2008 popping, and another claiming his PC shutdown (but not damaged).
Actively play games on the card for 6-12 months and then maybe we'll talk about whether or not it's an issue.

Regardless, if I were in the market, I'd probably just wait for the non-refs and see if they are fixed. I wouldn't buy this card since other sources (including mobo manufacturers) are suggesting it could pose LONG TERM problems... Despite what #RTP members and other random YouTubers are saying. Too much of a risk at the moment.
 
NKD said:
5 year old board after a couple of years is frickin 7-8 years old, and if you stick in a new graphics card in a 7 year old board its even more pointless. At that point its really time to upgrade the computer. I would never stick in a 240 dollar video card in a 5-8 year old system. I guess thats just me.
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My context is not his hardware, it is about seeing it working for a couple of hours and assuming it is not causing damage or impacting power characteristics over time of use in the games-tests that are shown to create the createst power draw, followed by the removal and insertion of another card a few years later.
But as I said if AMD fixes this situation it will not be a headache or consideration, but until the fix it is still of note.
And again to re-iterate I am talking about a minority of customers with the lower end mainstream boards, and not necessarily all of them.
However all bets are off once someone starts to use WattMan and touches the power target or multiple 480s in the cheapest crossfire boards.
Cheers
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
The card has been out for a week, no reviewers had problems, no customers had problems. I saw one miner complain about his board from 2008 popping, and another claiming his PC shutdown (but not damaged).
Actively play games on the card for 6-12 months and then maybe we'll talk about whether or not it's an issue.

Regardless, if I were in the market, I'd probably just wait for the non-refs and see if they are fixed. I wouldn't buy this card since other sources (including mobo manufacturers) are suggesting it could pose LONG TERM problems... Despite what #RTP members and other random YouTubers are saying. Too much of a risk at the moment.
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Yup, there's no reason to risk one's system on a flaky reference card. I'd wait it out for AIB and grab one of those or a 1060.
 
Even this guy stated he tried an older cheap motherboard and it had the same problem of shutting down when gaming with the rx480 lol.
 
razor1 said:
Even this guy stated he tried an older cheap motherboard and it had the same problem of shutting down when gaming with the rx480 lol.
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And? Do you find that this is an issue for an install base for the card?
 
Sheppard said:
And? Do you find that this is an issue for an install base for the card?
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yes it is, people that buy this card as an upgrade might not have the latest motherboards, cpu, psu's etc. Its a 200 buck card, they aren't going to have the best of the best for the rest of their components.
 
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And? Do you find that this is an issue for an install base for the card?
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People buying 480s will often be rolling with old cheap hardware. AMD's entire market play for the last seven years in the CPU / motherboard segment has been towards people trying to be as cheap as possible. If AMD is shooting for the value market, they are going to get value customers with shit hardware.
 
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what I got out of it was that if you have relatively new hardware, 2-6/7 yrs old, then this card should be no problem. his tests should 4k topping out around 160w which boards can handle. if you're running older, 8/9 yrs old cheaper hardware, you might have issues unless there is a fix. so to me. new = go, old = no go and it might be time for an upgrade...
 
pendragon1 said:
what I got out of it was that if you have relatively new hardware, 2-6/7 yrs old, then this card should be no problem. his tests should 4k topping out around 160w which boards can handle. if you're running older, 8/9 yrs old cheaper hardware, you might have issues unless there is a fix. so to me. new = go, old = no go and it might be time for an upgrade...
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What I think older systems it isn't about the quality of the build its about the stress already on the old cheaper boards. This might happen to newer cheaper builds if you give them enough time.
 
pendragon1 said:
. in a gist; if your not running 9+ year old hardware the 480 will run fine for you.
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And on what does he base that conclusion? What engineering analysis, or even credentials, does he offer to support for it?
Do you tihnk that standards bodies put power limits in specifications, and vendors adopt those specs, for no reason?

And if you think I'm going to watch that video based on your shill for it, think again. I wasn't born yesterday.
 
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