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NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)
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shinjinian
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Well adjusting the fan curve helped get it down to 79 degrees max with no throttling. Still that leaves practically no room for overclocking.
Does anybody know of a good pump cpu waterblock combo. The apogee drive 2 has some serious leakage problems all across the Internet and I don't want a gaint pump/res combo hanging off the back of my case.
Does anybody know of a good pump cpu waterblock combo. The apogee drive 2 has some serious leakage problems all across the Internet and I don't want a gaint pump/res combo hanging off the back of my case.
I am actually still in the process of building. I am going to use an AIO but am still leaning towards a blower card just to keep the heat out of the case. Thank you for your input though, it is helping me decide! Also if anyone is planning on using one of the newer Enermax Liqmax 2 AIOs the block seems to be fairly large. I just tried to install the 120mm version and the tubes coming out of the block were pushing on my ram pretty hard (Asus z170i pro gaming). You can change the orientation but having the tubes to the right seemed to be the best for hose flex. Just a heads up if anyone is planning on using one of these in the ncase.
Yup I noted your post as well in the information I have been gathering. I have been pulling information people post on temps along with their configurations in a spreadsheet to give me a good "guesstimate" on temps when I have my final build.
It is interesting to see how slight variations make noticeable changes to overall internal case performance.
Those would be your only choices. I'm going with ek's 100mm res + d5 revo pump combo hanging out the back.
If you're going to be using a full cover block on the GPU you can fit a DDC pump + Aquacomputer Aquacover DDC top on the floor of the case. A few people have done builds with that combo.
DersTheSwede
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Thanks Bijiont! I've been running Heaven benchmark on loop, and GPU temp stabilized at 73c.
This is my airflow layout. Pardon the poor picture. x2 120mm Silencio fans on the bottom. Double Noctua Redux on NH-U9S and exhaust. This is with poor cabling so far, and no fan profiles.
This is my airflow layout. Pardon the poor picture. x2 120mm Silencio fans on the bottom. Double Noctua Redux on NH-U9S and exhaust. This is with poor cabling so far, and no fan profiles.
I don't believe we'll be stocking individual side panels, unfortunately. I tried to make the case for them to w360, but he insists because we don't have the proper packaging for them and they end up being fairly expensive due to shipping that it doesn't make sense to stock them.
Very nice, even your core temps and system sensors are pretty good.Thanks Bijiont! I've been running Heaven benchmark on loop, and GPU temp stabilized at 73c.
This is my airflow layout. Pardon the poor picture. x2 120mm Silencio fans on the bottom. Double Noctua Redux on NH-U9S and exhaust. This is with poor cabling so far, and no fan profiles.
Yup I agree on the cable management. I think once that gets cleaned up the internal temps may drop a little (1-2°c possibly) not enough to make a huge difference but a little extra helps.
exzacklyright
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Fans bringing cold air from outside through the radiator INTO the case. That way you have more air coming into the case than leaving it, which causes dust issues due to negative air pressure.[/QUOTE]
so like this? http://i.imgur.com/bhiWxWF.jpg
Rad | Fans | Side Panel.
<--------------- Air from the outside.
Exactly. This way the air going through the radiator is colder and presumably cleaner if you use the filter, and you are creating positive air pressure - think of it as "inflating" the case. When you do so, this surplus of clean warm air escapes the case through the vents on the top, by design. If you keep it as you originally installed, backwards, then you are "deflating" the case. Because there is more air leaving than entering the case, air from outside will start coming in any way it can through unfiltered gaps, bringing dust in.
I was worried that this warm air going through the radiator would negatively affect system stability, but that hasn't been the case. My CPU is overclocked to 4.7Ghz, RAM is overclocked to 3333Mhz, and Geforce 1080 is over 2Ghz, and stability is rock solid. The NCASE M1 is extremely well designed.
exzacklyright
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Unfortunately my radiator doesn't fit in that orientation because it leaves 25mm(fan width) less room.
Also the fan mounting screws aren't even long enough to screw through the side panel and then through the fan. The width ends up being too much.
The bigger issue though is though it doesn't fit.
I mainly mounted it like that because all their pictures were in that orientation
http://www.idcooling.com/Product/detail/id/54/name/FROSTFLOW 240L
ah damn
well in that case... anyone got a spare lying around they want to ship to NSW, Australia? really don't want to buy a whole set of panels just for one...alright guys, whoever had custom sleeving done, what lengths did you go with. I know dependent on motherboard placing, but give me an estimate (Ordered Corsair SF600 and going with Asrock x99e itx board). Looking for custom length 24 pin, 8 pin cpu, 8 pin gpu for 1080. Hoping mainframe customs will do it.
rfarmer
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Flip your fans around so they pull through the radiator. From what I have seen in several tests the temp difference between the 2 is very minor.
Just received my N1 case, what an absolute beauty it is! can't wait to assemble my gaming M1.
Will order these parts this week:
-CPU; Intel i7-6700K
- CPU Cooler; Noctua NH-U9S + NF-A9x14 PWM
- Motherboard: Asus ROG Z170 MAXIMUS VIII IMPACT
- Mouse: Logitech G900 Chaos Spectrum
- PSU: Corsair SF600
- SSD: Intel 750 SSD 2,5" PCIe 3.0 x4 800GB (U.2)
- Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB 4000mhz
Interesting article that shows performance increase in gaming when fast memory is used with a high clock CPU and GPU.
DDR4 Memory at 4000 MT/s, Does It Make a Difference?
Still to be decided / waiting upon release:
-GPU, will wait for a 1080 Ti or Titan, for the time being borrow a 1080 from my work PC during weekend and evenings
-Monitor, want to go with an IPS, 4k, Gsync monitor(>30") that can exceed 60mhz. Currently not available yet.... will borrow a 4K TN from a friend
- Keyboard: want to go with a wireless one, love the Apple ones not sure if they are any good for gaming(FPS mainly)
Suggestions are always welcome!
Will order these parts this week:
-CPU; Intel i7-6700K
- CPU Cooler; Noctua NH-U9S + NF-A9x14 PWM
- Motherboard: Asus ROG Z170 MAXIMUS VIII IMPACT
- Mouse: Logitech G900 Chaos Spectrum
- PSU: Corsair SF600
- SSD: Intel 750 SSD 2,5" PCIe 3.0 x4 800GB (U.2)
- Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB 4000mhz
Interesting article that shows performance increase in gaming when fast memory is used with a high clock CPU and GPU.
DDR4 Memory at 4000 MT/s, Does It Make a Difference?
Still to be decided / waiting upon release:
-GPU, will wait for a 1080 Ti or Titan, for the time being borrow a 1080 from my work PC during weekend and evenings
-Monitor, want to go with an IPS, 4k, Gsync monitor(>30") that can exceed 60mhz. Currently not available yet.... will borrow a 4K TN from a friend
- Keyboard: want to go with a wireless one, love the Apple ones not sure if they are any good for gaming(FPS mainly)
Suggestions are always welcome!
Looking good. How noisy is the GPU? Im choosing between this version or the FE.Thanks Bijiont! I've been running Heaven benchmark on loop, and GPU temp stabilized at 73c.
This is my airflow layout. Pardon the poor picture. x2 120mm Silencio fans on the bottom. Double Noctua Redux on NH-U9S and exhaust. This is with poor cabling so far, and no fan profiles.
Just received my N1 case, what an absolute beauty it is! can't wait to assemble my gaming M1.
Will order these parts this week:
-CPU; Intel i7-6700K
- CPU Cooler; Noctua NH-U9S + NF-A9x14 PWM
- Motherboard: Asus ROG Z170 MAXIMUS VIII IMPACT
- Mouse: Logitech G900 Chaos Spectrum
- PSU: Corsair SF600
- SSD: Intel 750 SSD 2,5" PCIe 3.0 x4 800GB (U.2)
- Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB 4000mhz
Interesting article that shows performance increase in gaming when fast memory is used with a high clock CPU and GPU.
DDR4 Memory at 4000 MT/s, Does It Make a Difference?
Still to be decided / waiting upon release:
-GPU, will wait for a 1080 Ti or Titan, for the time being borrow a 1080 from my work PC during weekend and evenings
-Monitor, want to go with an IPS, 4k, Gsync monitor(>30") that can exceed 60mhz. Currently not available yet.... will borrow a 4K TN from a friend
- Keyboard: want to go with a wireless one, love the Apple ones not sure if they are any good for gaming(FPS mainly)
Suggestions are always welcome!
Good choices overall. Here are some suggestions on how *I* would do it differently:
You might wanna save some money on the motherboard by getting a Gigabyte Z170N-Gaming 5. I have mine pushing my CPU to 4.7Ghz and it has been rock stable, so I don't know what the big advantage of the ASUS is. Better audio? You can get a very nice external DAC for the price difference. The Gigabyte also has an m.2 port so you'll have more choices for a NAND SSD than just the Intel U.2 SSD. The Samsung 950 is fantastic and you get more bang for the buck. The reports of thermal throttling are overblown (who's usage is similar to running an intense benchmark for long?) and on the Gigabyte the SSD mounts on the back of the motherboard which is cleaner. With the difference in price between the motherboard and the SSD, you can buy a few games, and put money towards my next suggestion:
Get a nice mechanical keyboard for gaming. Cherry MX Red switches are good for that, but if you have a store nearby that sells them you could try out the different switches. It will feel MUCH better than an Apple keyboard (I know, I am typing this on an Apple keyboard, and my gaming keyboard has Cherry MX Blue switches)
Interesting results with that RAM article, but note that its with two 980 Ti's, which are still significantly faster than a single 1080, and "only" at 2K. You won't see that big of a difference with the single 1080 as that will be the bottleneck, especially since you intend to game at 4K. If the price difference between the 4000mhz RAM and 3000mhz RAM is over $40, I would not go for the faster RAM, and instead use that money to buy another game.
This is entirely personal preference, but to me I much rather have a 2K IPS G-Sync monitor that can do higher refresh rates, than a 4K monitor running at 60Hz. 4K monitors that can do over 60Hz over DP 1.3 or HDMI 2.0 are still a ways off it seems.
shinjinian
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I second getting the z170n gaming 5 mobo and a 950 pro m.2 instead. You'll save money and the gigabyte board has done extremely well for me. As for the wireless keyboard I recomend the royal Kludge RK61, it's mechanical and Bluetooth so you'll have no wires and won't have to sacrifice a USB port. It's a great keyboard for the money.Just received my N1 case, what an absolute beauty it is! can't wait to assemble my gaming M1.
Will order these parts this week:
-CPU; Intel i7-6700K
- CPU Cooler; Noctua NH-U9S + NF-A9x14 PWM
- Motherboard: Asus ROG Z170 MAXIMUS VIII IMPACT
- Mouse: Logitech G900 Chaos Spectrum
- PSU: Corsair SF600
- SSD: Intel 750 SSD 2,5" PCIe 3.0 x4 800GB (U.2)
- Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB 4000mhz
Interesting article that shows performance increase in gaming when fast memory is used with a high clock CPU and GPU.
DDR4 Memory at 4000 MT/s, Does It Make a Difference?
Still to be decided / waiting upon release:
-GPU, will wait for a 1080 Ti or Titan, for the time being borrow a 1080 from my work PC during weekend and evenings
-Monitor, want to go with an IPS, 4k, Gsync monitor(>30") that can exceed 60mhz. Currently not available yet.... will borrow a 4K TN from a friend
- Keyboard: want to go with a wireless one, love the Apple ones not sure if they are any good for gaming(FPS mainly)
Suggestions are always welcome!
exzacklyright
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I imagine so.
I tried setting mine up like users who use the corsair h105 (which by the way has a 38mm width). [COMPLETE] NCASE M1 - High End Gaming, Photo & Video Editing PC
How come I can't fit mine even though it's 11mm thinner? (my id cooling is only 27mm thick). Fan + Radiator thickness = 52mm
Hopefully this is right now. (For a pull configuration)
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Nosirrahdrof
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I just got my M1 and am wondering what motherboard you guys recommend. I'm torn between the Gigabyte GA-Z170N Gaming 5, Asus Z170i Gaming Pro and the Asrock Fatal1ty Gaming Z170.
What do you guys like?
What do you guys like?
Qrash
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I don't have any of these, but one difference is that the Gigabyte uses an Intel controller for USB 3.1 and I think a driver to enable Thunderbolt support has been released by Gigabyte.
rfarmer
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I have the Gigabyte GA-Z170N Gaming and I am very happy with it, first Gigabyte board I have owned. About my only complaint is the lack of usb on the IO panel. The price was really good and I liked the reinforced pci slot since I am using a waterblock on my gpu. I almost went with the Asrock but the sale on it ended before I was ready to order. I'm using a M.2 SSD and the Gigabyte picked it up without having to change anything in the BIOS. 1900 mb/s read and 700 mb/s write.
I went with the ASUS Z170 Gaming Pro mainly because I have always had pretty good luck with their boards and wanted M.2 which sadly their Impact board does not have otherwise I would have went that direction. With most boards now in days if they have the features you are looking for you are mainly paying for brand name and their QC. Otherwise I don't think you can go wrong with any of the ones which you mentioned.
Whichever is cheapest. All of those boards are good.
DersTheSwede
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Subjectively: It's not totally silent at idle, audible hum, but still what I would say is very quiet. At load it just makes a deep "wooshing" noise that is still reasonable. Difficult to separate it from the system fans. I came from a 7850 blower that really got loud, and it is a huge improvement. That was an old blower though, and everyone hears slightly differently.
Edit: How are people routing the front panel USB 3.0 cable? I don't see many good options with the header placement on the ASUS Z170.
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-> (thx to Aibohphobia)
It looks like the Gigabyte is a good choice. Not available here though, so I just ordered the Fatal1ty.
If you would like to read, there is a whole thread about z170 itx mobos: Skylake-Based Z170 Gaming Mini ITX Motherboard
Edit: on a side note, MSI is the only board where the modded BIOS for BCLK overclocking is still updated: Intel Skylake Non-K Overclocking BIOS-List - Overclocking.Guide
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Wow thanks for your analyse on my set-up!
Problem with the M.2 is that i need more gb's and I want to go for one drive. So a M.2 drive with for example 800gb would work(can't find those). If I could choose than I would defiantly go for an M.2 drive due to the cleanness. Using both M.2 drive could be an option only thing is I want to use the wifi module. Other motivation is that I wan to use the faster memory banks on the Asus, especially as i'm looking to get an 1080 Ti or Titan. I share your thoughts on a separate DAC and my keyboard, so i will be looking into that.
Again thank you for your feedback!
Wow thanks, this was exactly what i was looking for! Do you own this keyboard? Noob question, do these work good during booting if you want to get into your bios for example?
shinjinian
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Unfortunately they're Bluetooth so they won't show up during the bios so you'll have to get your OC and everything else setup with whatever keyboard you have lying around before using it. I have a black rk61 and I love it.
Dante Bellin
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Hello everyone! I build my first water cooled rig. At first i ordered a Phanteks Enthoo Evolve ITX, but at the day it arrived, i saw Bluehandstech's M1 on youtube (Thank you for the inspiration!!). I fell in love and immediately changed my plans.
The M1 is a beautiful Case.
Next week my Pipes and Fittings should finally find their way to me.
Hope you like it...
Cheers
The M1 is a beautiful Case.
Next week my Pipes and Fittings should finally find their way to me.
Hope you like it...
Cheers
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Looks great, how did you end up mounting the pump/res?
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rfarmer
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Your build looks great, looking forward to seeing it completed. I went from an Evolv iTX to a M1. Phanteks is a pretty good case but the M1 is extraordinary.
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Do you think that will be enough? I'd rather go that route than to drill holes into the case.
Asus announce a new blower style 1080 that might fit the M1 quit well. I'm particulary interested in the additional PWN fan connector.
ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 Turbo
ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 Turbo