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dave99 said:
lol don't listen to droc. Don't buy something that is more than a tier higher than where you are. If you want to print credits, learn to angle your armor (or die), and destroy stuff, the murmansk is still an excellent premium, albeit not as ridiculous as it was before the nerf hammer. And it's cheap. And fun.
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The Murmansk, Molotov and KamiKaze-R are the 3 best Premium ships IMHO. I still think the TurdPutz is mediocre at best. The Molotov is not really a great choice for beginners though.
 
This has not been a fun day, 13 matches and 2 wins. I don't mind losing so much, but when your team has the win on a silver platter and throws it away over and over it gets frustrating. The last match we were up by 4 ships, 3 out of 3 caps and almost to 960 points and we still lost.
 
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TechLarry said:
The Murmansk, Molotov and KamiKaze-R are the 3 best Premium ships IMHO. I still think the TurdPutz is mediocre at best. The Molotov is not really a great choice for beginners though.
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the molotov isn't even a good option for decent players. Even people who should know better still show a hint of their side far too often and pay the price for it.
 
MM took a shit tonight.
My team all retreated to the top corner of the map where they got wrecked. I managed to stay undetected for nearly the entire game and hardly took a scratch....Didnt stop firing the entire time. Had a 52% hit ratio.
Tried to protect our flank and despite only killing one, I think I did ok. All our kills were on ships I beat down and others came in for the killshot. Match wasnt even close though, Didnt even sink half their team before there was only 2-3 of us left and we ran outta points.
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Droc said:
My advice to you is buy a tirpitz and join some Tx games for experience :)
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Why would you even joke like this? It really isn't funny and that is why the game has had some problems with people not learning how to play properly. Just because YOU can buy a premium doesn't mean you should. You are actually promoting what happened when the Atago came out people flocked to it and got farmed for it. To the original person asking about premiums I would say play at least 250-300 games before you even consider buying a premium and when you do by a mid tier one that coincides with what you are playing.
 
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Why would you even joke like this? It really isn't funny and that is why the game has had some problems with people not learning how to play properly. Just because YOU can buy a premium doesn't mean you should. You are actually promoting what happened when the Atago came out people flocked to it and got farmed for it. To the original person asking about premiums I would say play at least 250-300 games before you even consider buying a premium and when you do by a mid tier one that coincides with what you are playing.
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Tough crowd...I knew I should have opened with airline peanuts.

Im sure he would have seen that advice if he has found this thread, especially since the premiums have gone on sale for gold, and the subsequent flood of terrible premium players and the many posts shitting on them. My sarcasm may not have been thick enough with the smiley face and I realized that when he replied with a serious fallow-up question and the pitchforks that fallowed.



floridateddybear, as you can tell from the knee-jerk replies to my joke, no, dont buy a tirpitz. Infact dont buy a premium unless the specific ship has some significant personal appeal to you. Premium ships are not necessarily better than normal ships for in game performance, and if they are, they have a much higher learning curve. The Tirpitz for example has many amazing qualities such as its TROLL armor, fast guns, bitchin speed and torps....but it also has the smaller guns and terrible accuracy(dispersion) and this is proved in many stat-tracking sites where it is eclipsed by the Amagi. The Molotov, a favorite around here, is a T6 cruiser with epic guns....but its armor is T4 and its turning radius is nearly the same as a yamato. All the premiums are balanced to have drawbacks.

In the right hands they can be overpowered as fuck, and the scores you see posted dont represent the performance of the common player as many people here are upper echelon captains (KamiSamurai is by all accounts, the best player on the server, and Business6 is one of the top players aswell). For every amazing molotov score posted here, there are a thousand players who get wrecked in it.

The real reason for getting premium is repair costs and credit. At your tier, credits are not a problem, and they wont be for awhile. But the higher you go, the more expensive stuff gets, and thats where a premium is useful as they can pump out silver. Retraining captains on them is nice too, but if your low tier its not much of an issue yet. If your trying to progress a line, you have to remember that every game in a premium is a game that your not gaining XP on a line you wish to progress.

Jumping to a higher tier prem isnt recommended for reasons outlined many times. And as others stated, the Murmansk is an excellent starter.....or you could doubloon your way straight to the Yamato :) (thats a jab, aware its not funny)
 
Oh yea, I realize all of that.. I was merely questioning if the game limited you on what tier you could play, if the normal ship progression has not made it to that tier.. For example.. I am only up to T4 on normal ships, and I was only wondering if I dropped the coin on premium ships of higher tier if I could play them. I have NO intention on doing that.

now, on another note: I played a few games last night, about 50% win rate.. but what I think was my 'best' game was a loss, and not my highest scoring either.. I ended being the last ship afloat on our team, in the backfield, trying to carry the ball (so to speak), with the opposing team all around me and too much time on the clock to have any hope of surviving until time ran out.. I enjoyed that one (one of the few I have enjoyed while playing a BB).

I would have posted a screen shot, but then remembered I dont know if the game has a dedicated screenshot key, or not.. as I have mentioned, I am still learning it.
 
floridateddybear said:
Oh yea, I realize all of that.. I was merely questioning if the game limited you on what tier you could play, if the normal ship progression has not made it to that tier.. For example.. I am only up to T4 on normal ships, and I was only wondering if I dropped the coin on premium ships of higher tier if I could play them. I have NO intention on doing that.

now, on another note: I played a few games last night, about 50% win rate.. but what I think was my 'best' game was a loss, and not my highest scoring either.. I ended being the last ship afloat on our team, in the backfield, trying to carry the ball (so to speak), with the opposing team all around me and too much time on the clock to have any hope of surviving until time ran out.. I enjoyed that one (one of the few I have enjoyed while playing a BB).

I would have posted a screen shot, but then remembered I dont know if the game has a dedicated screenshot key, or not.. as I have mentioned, I am still learning it.
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You can play any tier so long as you have a ship for it.

I will say though that despite the apprehension for buying a high tier ship, it's not the end of the world if you do. Like if you buy the atago, your not committing some unforgivable sin, and you could do just fine, and worst case you do bad, it's not like leaving it in your port for a few weeks until you progress to that tier is the end of the world, or God forbid, you div up with people from here who can teach you the fundamentals in a few hours. At the end of the day it's a point and click game where situational awareness is the most vital skill...seeing as your accessing good resources and if you surround yourself with some of the good players here, I don't expect you to end up as some random idiot with a boat. What I'm saying is it's not a good idea to buy a higher tier prem, but I won't hate you if you do. If you own a ship now or two months from now makes no difference because you will use it eventually. And you don't have to use it if your no good in it...and I know the itch to try the bigger ships. "If" you buy a higher tier ship to scratch that itch, no one can fault you for that, just so long as you know enough to realize it if your out of your league. Devils advocate
 
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Droc Said:

>>For every amazing molotov score posted here, there are a thousand players who get wrecked in it. <<

I'm amazing at getting blown up in the Molotov amazingly well. Does that count?

:)

If I'm being honest though, I'm having a hell of a lot better luck in the Molotov on the T6/T7 Ranked than I am the T7 Kiev.

The Kiev simply does NOT work well for ranked play. It's a slow, "nibble and harass them to death" ship and that does not bode well for this sort of fast-paced Ranked play. The guns just aren't powerful enough.

I think I said it before. It's like the St. Louis. It's loud, ferocious, slings lead lilke crazy, and a shitload of fun to drive. It just doesn't do much damage per hit.

In pickup games it's awesome. In ranked, not so much.
 
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Droc said:
You can play any tier so long as you have a ship for it.

I will say though that despite the apprehension for buying a high tier ship, it's not the end of the world if you do. Like if you buy the atago, your not committing some unforgivable sin, and you could do just fine, and worst case you do bad, it's not like leaving it in your port for a few weeks until you progress to that tier is the end of the world, or God forbid, you div up with people from here who can teach you the fundamentals in a few hours. At the end of the day it's a point and click game where situational awareness is the most vital skill...seeing as your accessing good resources and if you surround yourself with some of the good players here, I don't expect you to end up as some random idiot with a boat. What I'm saying is it's not a good idea to buy a higher tier prem, but I won't hate you if you do. If you own a ship now or two months from now makes no difference because you will use it eventually. And you don't have to use it if your no good in it...and I know the itch to try the bigger ships. "If" you buy a higher tier ship to scratch that itch, no one can fault you for that, just so long as you know enough to realize it if your out of your league. Devils advocate
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Just don't buy the TurdPutz. Well, unless you get your kicks throwing popcorn at people, then you might enjoy it :)
 
Derfnofred said:
Except the Kiev is doing just fine in ranked. So is that the population or it's not a bad option?
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All I know is what I'm seeing. Yeah, it hangs around a long time. Hell, you can hide in smoke and invisifire the shit out of the enemy for 20 minutes and never be seen. The problem is while you are doing that they are brushing off your attack and wiping out your team.

It's not that it can't last. It's that it can't win.

And you can definitely fuck up some DD's with it. But, again, Ranked doesn't have the 8-15 DD counts like we see in pickup play so it's of limited use there too.
 
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TechLarry said:
Droc Said:

>>For every amazing molotov score posted here, there are a thousand players who get wrecked in it. <<

I'm amazing at getting blown up in the Molotov amazingly well. Does that count?

:)

If I'm being honest though, I'm having a hell of a lot better luck in the Molotov on the T6/T7 Ranked than I am the T7 Kiev.

The Kiev simply does NOT work well for ranked play. It's a slow, "nibble and harass them to death" ship and that does not bode well for this sort of fast-paced Ranked play. The guns just aren't powerful enough.

I think I said it before. It's like the St. Louis. It's loud, ferocious, slings lead lilke crazy, and a shitload of fun to drive. It just doesn't do much damage per hit.

In pickup games it's awesome. In ranked, not so much.
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The Schors i find is similar, I never score well in points, but I do a lot of damage. I took a Nagato on, and nailed him for over 60k damage total, pushed him back to their spawn, kept him out of the match long enough for our battleship to take out their cruisers, and eventually the team finished him off, but for the 60+ K damage I did, I Got 1200xp :p

is it effective? yes, will it do tonnes of damage ? probably not, but that's fine too.

TechLarry said:
All I know is what I'm seeing. Yeah, it hangs around a long time. Hell, you can hide in smoke and invisifire the shit out of the enemy for 20 minutes and never be seen. The problem is while you are doing that they are brushing off your attack and wiping out your team.

It's not that it can't last. It's that it can't win.

And you can definitely fuck up some DD's with it. But, again, Ranked doesn't have the 8-15 DD counts like we see in pickup play so it's of limited use there too.
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Hmmm, reset caps, cap, hut down DDS, sounds effective to me :)
 
Derfnofred said:
It's scoring similar to the sims and blys in NA ranked, far above the hatsu and mahan.
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I wouldn't blame the ship. In that match I just talked about, our Hatsu took on a Sims in a gun fight, and beat him.

In the right hands, even a hatsu can be a decent gun ship :p
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
The Schors i find is similar, I never score well in points, but I do a lot of damage. I took a Nagato on, and nailed him for over 60k damage total, pushed him back to their spawn, kept him out of the match long enough for our battleship to take out their cruisers, and eventually the team finished him off, but for the 60+ K damage I did, I Got 1200xp :p

is it effective? yes, will it do tonnes of damage ? probably not, but that's fine too.



Hmmm, reset caps, cap, hut down DDS, sounds effective to me :)
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Again, in normal play, yes. I just don't think Ranked matches are long enought for that. I'll still give it a couple of rounds because I love playing it though. Speed is definitely NOT a downfall :)
 
TechLarry said:
Again, in normal play, yes. I just don't think Ranked matches are long enought for that. I'll still give it a couple of rounds because I love playing it though. Speed is definitely NOT a downfall :)
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I've been seeing 6-9 DDs in ranked at rank 11/10.

I am not sure if I understand the mentality. People bitch when I bring the Bly, I had 2k HP after killing three ships by myself and shooting over an island at a Myoko, resetting a cap and people were complaining... We won and had twice the XP of the next guy. Gun boats can do way more than torp boats.

I've been tempted to take out the Kiev. I think it kills DDs slightly better than the Bly. You definitely want CE though. I use the Bly's 8km, 66 second (ish) Torps to area deny though... And torp smoke. Given the small number of caps it'd be hard to give up my Torps.
 
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All I know is what I'm seeing. Yeah, it hangs around a long time. Hell, you can hide in smoke and invisifire the shit out of the enemy for 20 minutes and never be seen. The problem is while you are doing that they are brushing off your attack and wiping out your team.

It's not that it can't last. It's that it can't win.

And you can definitely fuck up some DD's with it. But, again, Ranked doesn't have the 8-15 DD counts like we see in pickup play so it's of limited use there too.
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If you can kill the enemy dd's in ranked before they kill yours, you'll win probably 90% of the time. It's that simple.
 
Is there a stats page where you can go look at the numbers for ships in ranked?
 
Dayaks said:
I've been seeing 6-9 DDs in ranked at rank 11/10.

I am not sure if I understand the mentality. People bitch when I bring the Bly, I had 2k HP after killing three ships by myself and shooting over an island at a Myoko, resetting a cap and people were complaining... We won and had twice the XP of the next guy. Gun boats can do way more than torp boats.

I've been tempted to take out the Kiev. I think it kills DDs slightly better than the Bly. You definitely want CE though. I use the Bly's 8km, 66 second (ish) Torps to area deny though... And torp smoke. Given the small number of caps it'd be hard to give up my Torps.
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Opponents complaining or teammates? I've personally paid closer attention to opposing blys than any other boat in ranked, to the point of calling it out as a priority target. I'm surprised the yorck isn't getting more love due to its efficacy against DD's (hydro, he velocity, torp angles and maneuverability) I'm not a great player but have managed nearly 60%wr in it. Myoko is definitely tankier and a better counter to bb's. Yet the shchors with its rapid fire rail guns might play the anti DD role better and almost as good at setting fires.
 
Schors does same or better damage to dd's with the higher RoF. Torps aren't as good, but if you are torping in yorck in ranked, I suspect things aren't going right.
 
I actually ambushed a BB's and a cruiser (devestating on him) on shatter with my Yorck a couple days ago in the C cap. No dd's to be found as they were dead/other caps. There have been other occasions where I've used them purely psychologically to get opponents moving too (they forget they're only 6k).

Edit to add: yeah, not a normally suggested strategy on the yorck wrt torpedoes and those matches where I've used them correctly have been strange ones. (unless it's to psych out someone by dumping them through a gap).

But given I don't really like bb play, I really wish I was better at DD's(all mine are t6 or lower) and had one with CE, cuz it's harder to do much work in a cruiser in ranked when matches tend to get scrappy and you don't have the standoff time/range to engage in a manner favorable to cruiser play. Then again, I'm sure many a better player than I can and do carve that niche.
 
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dave99 said:
If you can kill the enemy dd's in ranked before they kill yours, you'll win probably 90% of the time. It's that simple.
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We'll have to work on that then :)

I think I need to get more aggressive maybe. Less Sniping, more in their face. Never hurts to try.
 
Uhhhh, go under "battle type" and select ranked. Under "when" select two weeks. Yes the Nikolai seems to be quite a beast otherwise, but has zero experience in ranked, as t4 hasn't been allowed ever. That's in normal games
 
Derfnofred said:
Uhhhh, go under "battle type" and select ranked. Under "when" select two weeks. Yes the Nikolai seems to be quite a beast otherwise, but has zero experience in ranked, as t4 hasn't been allowed ever. That's in normal games
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Yeah, I realize that. I was just sayin....

I've never seen it for sale. Maybe it's a EU server only thing.
 
they have said a number of times it will never be sold again, though Im sure it will.
I have one, hardly use it. Brutal slow, cant pen. Dispersion feels mega nerfed from when it was first released.
 
I'm going to have to find some people to division with or just quit. Day 3 of of sub 40% win rate, I don't know what happened to the people playing this game but I can't buy a win on fucking discount. I just played 4 in a row in the Molotov, all over 100k damage and two of them with 6 kills and they were total landslides, I can't carry this kind of stupid by myself.
 
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Sweet, just beat my previous record for 'How close can you get to the Challenge requirement without going over' record! Only 135 HP this time. The server is trying to tell me something.

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TechLarry said:
We'll have to work on that then :)

I think I need to get more aggressive maybe. Less Sniping, more in their face. Never hurts to try.
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I've struggled with that as well. There is some fine line, that I'm not good at finding in ranked, of cautious aggression. You can't be passive as every gun is needed in the fight, but yet you can't just charge in, because the enemy will focus fire, and not being chumps, will hit you.
 
Droc said:
they have said a number of times it will never be sold again, though Im sure it will.
I have one, hardly use it. Brutal slow, cant pen. Dispersion feels mega nerfed from when it was first released.
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That's one thing about paying for premium ships that has always bugged me. They can nerf them to nothingness and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it :( Once they have your money you are stuck with it.
 
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