GTX 1080 Retail Store Availability Only Founders Edition?

antok86 said:
So which founders edition (pny/evga/nvidia etc.) will have the best warranty?
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EVGA. Most companies offer 3-year warranties on graphics cards, but out of that list EVGA covers the most. EVGA is also the only one in that list that offers a transferable warranty in an aftermarket sale. You can also pay more for extended coverage, if you so desire.
 
Lord_Exodia said:
That's wrong, because if not, what was nvidia quoting a $599 MSRP on?
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$599 cards won't have the reference PCB and reference cooler, because Nvidia is calling those Founders Editions and forcing a $699 price.
 
schizo said:
$599 cards won't have the reference PCB and reference cooler, because Nvidia is calling those Founders Editions and forcing a $699 price.
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Again I think that's wrong, because once Nvidia isn't controlling the cooler or PCB they cannot quote a price. MSRP <Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price> is for a reference design model. They can't say "Hey EVGA, I don't care how you build this card and how much it costs you to develop a cooler for it and how the components BOM comes out but you're gonna charge $599, like it or not" When they give a MSRP they are talking about a Reference card. Also Re-Watch the launch event video. Jensen clearly distinguishes between a "Founders Edition" AND a Reference Card to be available with a MSRP or $599.

Only AIB Partners Price aftermarket cards that deviate from the reference design. I have prior experience in this working for PNY Technologies years ago and co-developing the XLR8 brand cards with the Marketing Dept. Just a heads up so you know who you're talking to. I'm not pulling this info out of my butt.

There is a chance Nvidia may reserve the Vapor Chamber Cooling for the Founders Edition but in cases like this, they will provide a universal cooler for a Reference Design version of a 1080. I expected that to launch tomorrow alongside the Founders Edition hence the disappointment and the creation of this thread.
 
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Armenius said:
EVGA. Most companies offer 3-year warranties on graphics cards, but out of that list EVGA covers the most. EVGA is also the only one in that list that offers a transferable warranty in an aftermarket sale. You can also pay more for extended coverage, if you so desire.
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ACX is terrible though.
 
ACX is fine for what it is (at least the new revisions), keep in mind ACX size wise is among the smaller aftermarkets as well (might be important for some people).

Asus, Gigabyte, and MSI should effectively have transferable warranties as well since they go by serial.

I think something that should be mentioned is that there is a distinction between a reference board versus a reference board with NVTTM cooler vs. the Founder card specifically (possibly? Not too clear at this point). A reference board layout (say for water block standardization) does not require the other stuff. You'll probably see some of these cheap with a bare minimum blower with plastic shroud.
 
Raendor said:
ACX is terrible though.
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We're talking about the FE, which is the same product across manufacturers.
Domingo said:
Does EVGA still do the Step-Up thing?
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Yes, but only if a new product is released within 90 days of purchase and you registered the product on their website. EVGA also has to consider the product you're wanting to step up to as a step up, themselves. But they are transparent about that.
 
I'm heading over to Microcenter on Friday with EVGA as my first option, but I've always had great support from MSI as well. If they're out of EVGA, I'm okay with that.
 
Domingo said:
I'm heading over to Microcenter on Friday with EVGA as my first option, but I've always had great support from MSI as well. If they're out of EVGA, I'm okay with that.
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Well, cause EVGA has the best coverage and it's FE - I'd gor with them. But for AIB coller I'll probably not as i was highly disappointed with ACX on 900s even having it's latest revision.
 
Lord_Exodia said:
Again I think that's wrong, because once Nvidia isn't controlling the cooler or PCB they cannot quote a price. MSRP <Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price> is for a reference design model. They can't say "Hey EVGA, I don't care how you build this card and how much it costs you to develop a cooler for it and how the components BOM comes out but you're gonna charge $599, like it or not" When they give a MSRP they are talking about a Reference card. Also Re-Watch the launch event video. Jensen clearly distinguishes between a "Founders Edition" AND a Reference Card to be available with a MSRP or $599.
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NV can force AIBs to do whatever they want. If they say "reference PCB + reference cooler = $699", AIBs must comply. Leather Jacket never said the word "reference". That would be counter to their agenda, because you can't charge an extra $100 for a reference card... unless you brand it a Founders Edition.
 
schizo said:
NV can force AIBs to do whatever they want. If they say "reference PCB + reference cooler = $699", AIBs must comply. Leather Jacket never said the word "reference". That would be counter to their agenda, because you can't charge an extra $100 for a reference card... unless you brand it a Founders Edition.
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Yes what you just said is correct, they CAN force a MSRP on a reference card but not a Non reference card as it's to keep a control of Pricing and branding to keep in line with Nvidia's interests and it's competitiveness in the market. That is the definition of MSRP. However, keep in mind that Nvidia can't however tell Asus (for example) how much to charge for a FTW edition of a GTX 1080. and That's my point.

By Proxy, when nvidia says The GTX 1080 is launching with a MSRP of $599.99 you can extrapolate that, since they cannot tell a partner How much to charge for a NON reference part then they are talking about a reference part.

Again, although Leather Jacket didn't say reference part, you can easily extrapolate what he has been saying since it's been industry practice and standard for 15+ years.
 
Just noticed Microcenter is only listing 4 models now. Asus and PNY dropped off.
 
AthlonXP said:
Just noticed Microcenter is only listing 4 models now. Asus and PNY dropped off.
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Hmm interesting I noticed this too. I thought this was location specific. My local Microcenter is in Paterson NJ.

Raendor said:
Lol, my nearest microcenter shows only 1 of each available there.
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Yeah I wouldn't worry, I think it's just a placeholder. They will get 4 or 5 of each most likely. If your cool with the salespeople you can call and ask for stock to get a rough idea if this will be a smooth purchase or a remake of the Jingle All the Way movie :D
 
HAHA yeah I am in good with some of the sales people there. I have to stop by today anyhow to check on the status of a return I made 2 weeks back, will get some more skinny if I can.
 
Lord_Exodia said:
Again, although Leather Jacket didn't say reference part, you can easily extrapolate what he has been saying since it's been industry practice and standard for 15+ years.
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You haven't been paying attention. There is no reference 1070 or 1080, there are only Founders Editions, and they must cost $699.

AIBs can sell cards with custom coolers for whatever price they went, as long as it's at least $599. If they want to use nvidia's PCB and cooler, it must cost $699.
 
ASUS and PNY are gone from the Denver location, too.
They might be placeholders, but I'm showing 10 in stock from EVGA and 1 each from Zotac, MSI, and Gigabyte.

I sold my 980 yesterday (gotta love the speed of Craigslist) so I'm all in.
 
schizo said:
You haven't been paying attention. There is no reference 1070 or 1080, there are only Founders Editions, and they must cost $699.

AIBs can sell cards with custom coolers for whatever price they went, as long as it's at least $599. If they want to use nvidia's PCB and cooler, it must cost $699.
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Where did you read that? I am starting to think you are making this stuff as you go along to continue a back and forth with me :D
 
Every article written about this on the entire internet says this, including those on [H].

There is nothing, anywhere, that supports what you're saying, that AIBs can release reference cards identical to the FE for $599.
 
schizo said:
Every article written about this on the entire internet says this, including those on [H].

There is nothing, anywhere, that supports what you're saying, that AIBs can release reference cards identical to the FE for $599.
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I don't think any article says that, and in addition it makes no sense. What I have been saying makes sense.
 
No it doesn't, because the scenario you're describing would have AIB vendors sell two identical cards, one labeled Founders Edition for $699 and one labeled Reference for $599. That would work counter to Nvidia's agenda to sell reference cards for an extra hundred bucks.
 
schizo said:
No it doesn't, because the scenario you're describing would have AIB vendors sell two identical cards, one labeled Founders Edition for $699 and one labeled Reference for $599. That would work counter to Nvidia's agenda to sell reference cards for an extra hundred bucks.
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Welcome to the GTX 1080 Launch!! Your finally getting it. But at the same time you're still Not getting it...
 
Circular with you, man. Please do some homework and you will see you're wrong about this.
 
schizo said:
You haven't been paying attention. There is no reference 1070 or 1080, there are only Founders Editions, and they must cost $699.

AIBs can sell cards with custom coolers for whatever price they went, as long as it's at least $599. If they want to use nvidia's PCB and cooler, it must cost $699.
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I don't care what NVIDIA marketing says. The FE is the reference part and I'll continue referring to it as such.
 
schizo said:
Completely agree, that isn't what we were arguing about.
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I know. You're arguing about reference cards with aftermarket coolers, completely custom designs and the pricing of such. But at this point it's an argument over semantics which will always result in circular logic.

But I was replying directly to the post I quoted, and I also agree with the second part of it.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
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WTF
 
Microcenter now has all 6 models listed in stock this morning. They open at 10, so I figure I'll roll over at 9:30 just in case some serious nerds are there. They're claiming to have 15 in total (10 are EVGA), so I guess I'll see in a few hours.
 
Damn, I was really hoping to get one today. I don't OC, and I have the EVGA program to control fan speed, so the FE would have been enough for me.

Wish BB stocked them in store...they're listed on the nVidia site, so maybe I'll just call or drop by just for funsies. Its the exit I take to get home anyway, so at most I waste 15 minutes.
 
Fairfax MicroCenter opened 1 hour early (9 am instead of 10 am). They were expecting 50 EVGA 1080s but only got 25. They were all sold by 9:05 am.
 
pclausen said:
Fairfax MicroCenter opened 1 hour early (9 am instead of 10 am). They were expecting 50 EVGA 1080s but only got 25. They were all sold by 9:05 am.
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Yup I was the guy wearing the Han shot first shirt. The dirtbags who actually got cards for the most part were just getting them to resell.
 
The Microcenter in Saint Louis Park, MN had 12 total 10 evga and 2 pny. I came at 8:45 and was 16th in line..... Still hoping they get another shipment today......
 
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