Philips BDM4350UC 43 inch 4K IPS PWM-free monitor

morfinx said:
Just did a burn-in test for 1 hour, and still no residual image.

Question for those who own this monitor: Has anyone gotten one where it didn't have burn-in issues?
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No burn-in issues on mine yet. Testing it periodically for the past week.
 
me neither, I have had this monitor for almost 3 weeks, no problems at all. no burn in issue, 2 weeks ago i did some tests and just now i did more tests again. I also tried the Image retention test aiszaxs suggested. No burn in problems.

FYI
I got this monitor in Japan, maybe the European batch is bad?? So many people having issues. Also, Philips gives full 5 year warranty here in Japan, and for the price I paid(75,000 yen = 605 EUR = 684 USD) i think there was no better option. Im quite satisfied with this monitor.
 
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aiszaxs said:
How did you perform it ?
Remember to increase brightness to 100% and contrast to 50%.
And use this test:
LCD Image Retention Test
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I didn't stress test it by driving it to the limits trying to force burn-in. I leave it at my ~calibrated~ settings of 0% brightness and 20% contrast.
My "testing" was simply, extending the sleep time to 30mins, then leaving a lot of bright windows open on my desktop. Whenever I wander near it I shift the windows around a bit to see if they leave any impressions behind. So far I haven't been able to notice any.
Also I don't have the manual in front of me (and Philips's support page for the monitor seems to be offline at the moment) but I recall it mentioning any burn-in should clear itself over time or faster with a power cycle. I don't think this is an early plasma TV style near permanent burn-in damage situation. But I could be wrong and that is why I keep checking mine.
Still for $800 it has been a pretty good monitor. I just need a GTX 1080 now so that I can play games on it at better than 15~20 fps.
 
Even if it's not permanent and is just temporary image retention, which may well be the case here, it's kind of unacceptable on an $800 monitor when there are competing monitors that do not do it. If the Philips cost $400 but you had to deal with image retention, that's one thing.

I dunno, I just feel like it would bother me, especially on a display of this caliber. Others may not be bothered by image retention while PWM or not having DisplayPort would be a dealbreaker for them. I guess you have to decide what's acceptable to you at a given price point and then make a decision based off of that.

It's just disappointing to me because this one sounded like a great successor to the BDM4065UC and I was looking forward to getting one for work at some point. I suppose I'll keep checking in to see if newer batches continue to have the issue but will most likely be going for the Dell or another one of the increasingly available options in this segment.
 
Image retention on a computer monitor released in 2016 should be simply unacceptable. Shouldn't it? Don't know maybe I'm being unreasonable.

I liked the BDM40 and almost got it. But the IR and frame skipping on this set give me pause.
 
Got mine yesterday (european model). So far no burn-ins. I come from a 24" 16:10 1980x1200 14 yrs old display and the upgrade is wonderful.

But:

a)
the reflections due to the glossy surface are just annoying. Even now at 9 AM without direct sunlight or artificial light in a relatively dark room everything from the room can be seen in the screen, myself, the chair, the furniture everything (normal blue Windows background, worse with black background like this page). I have a glossy screen at work and it's much better than this. This is maybe a show stopper for me.

b)
Hard to describe. Sometimes when you focus on the screen there's a flickering and/or also the luminance uniformity seems to chnage. Perhaps the first issue has something to do with the frame dropping. The second issue seems to be less pronounced at 100% brightness (I know it should be PWM free).


My settings (similiar to PC monitors).
brightness 40, contrast 50, sharpness:50, color RGB: 100,84, 52. Smartresponse:fast (you can see the difference to off even while browsing when you scroll really fast)
 
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Raguel said:
I didn't stress test it by driving it to the limits trying to force burn-in. I leave it at my ~calibrated~ settings of 0% brightness and 20% contrast.
My "testing" was simply, extending the sleep time to 30mins, then leaving a lot of bright windows open on my desktop. Whenever I wander near it I shift the windows around a bit to see if they leave any impressions behind. So far I haven't been able to notice any.
Also I don't have the manual in front of me (and Philips's support page for the monitor seems to be offline at the moment) but I recall it mentioning any burn-in should clear itself over time or faster with a power cycle. I don't think this is an early plasma TV style near permanent burn-in damage situation. But I could be wrong and that is why I keep checking mine.
Still for $800 it has been a pretty good monitor. I just need a GTX 1080 now so that I can play games on it at better than 15~20 fps.
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It is not stressing the limits - It comes stock out of the box with those settings.
 
Sven11 said:
Got mine yesterday (european model). So far no burn-ins. I come from a 24" 16:10 1980x1200 14 yrs old display and the upgrade is wonderful.

But:

a)
the reflections due to the glossy surface are just annoying. Even now at 9 AM without direct sunlight or artificial light in a relatively dark room everything from the room can be seen in the screen, myself, the chair, the furniture everything (normal blue Windows background, worse with black background like this page). I have a glossy screen at work and it's much better than this. This is maybe a show stopper for me.

b)
Hard to describe. Sometimes when you focus on the screen there's a flickering and/or also the luminance uniformity seems to chnage. Perhaps the first issue has something to do with the frame dropping. The second issue seems to be less pronounced at 100% brightness (I know it should be PWM free).


My settings (similiar to PC monitors).
brightness 40, contrast 50, sharpness:50, color RGB: 100,84, 52. Smartresponse:fast (you can see the difference to off even while browsing when you scroll really fast)
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For b) it may have to do with the Smart Uniformity setting, which tries to keep luminance even across the display. You can try changing it or turning it off, if you haven't.
 
Sven11 said:
Got mine yesterday (european model). So far no burn-ins. I come from a 24" 16:10 1980x1200 14 yrs old display and the upgrade is wonderful.
b)
Hard to describe. Sometimes when you focus on the screen there's a flickering and/or also the luminance uniformity seems to chnage. Perhaps the first issue has something to do with the frame dropping. The second issue seems to be less pronounced at 100% brightness (I know it should be PWM free).
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I concur with Armenius, that sounds like Smart Uniformity. I highly recommend switching to a different mode. See the PCMonitors review for a summary of what each one actually does.
 
I turned Smart Uniformity off because I liked the PC Monitors settings. But you are right, "office" and "economy" mode helps to reduce this flickering/ inhomogeneity.
 
illram said:
Image retention on a computer monitor released in 2016 should be simply unacceptable. Shouldn't it? Don't know maybe I'm being unreasonable.

I liked the BDM40 and almost got it. But the IR and frame skipping on this set give me pause.
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I consider it unacceptable. I wouldn't buy a monitor knowing it had that kind of issue. I don't think you are being unreasonable. Just my own opinion though.
 
Hi everyone! Made an account to talk about my experience with this monitor.

I received the BDM4350UC from OCUK yesterday: unfortunately mine has awful burn in (less than 30 minutes and you can see a clear shadow of any content that was there previously, even from a distance), horrendous backlight bleed (noticeable even in day scenes of movies/TV) and weird semi-grid pattern across the whole panel.

(I'd post a link to photos but I can't yet because of the forum rules).

I'm returning for a replacement in hopes that I was unlucky with QC but might return it and see what else comes out (Dell P4317Q springs to mind). It's a shame these issues are so glaringly obvious and intrusive because in my limited time with it it's a wonderful monitor and exactly what I'm looking for (combination of PC monitor and bedroom home theater).
 
I took a closer look at issue b (flickering/homogeneity). The whole screen flickers in particular the edges and the corners. It's very subtle, but it is definitely there. It's independent from any picture/SmartUnifomrity settings (except maybe for brightness). Am I too sensitive or is it an issue with backlight ?

There might also a vey subtle grid pattern being visible at very close distance which is over the entire screen (typical blue windows background). But I am not sure.

Good news: I really tried to create burn-ins and I failed so far.
 
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JargonGR said:
Lender:

Join my Odyssey... now what? 32" 4K and sit close...
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Yes get a 32 inch. They don't have so much issues and at 150% scaling it will be a working res of 2560x1440 while you will have nice looking sharp enlarged fonts.
 
I certainly do not need 150% scaling but I might need 125% or not at all. I am coming from a 2560 X 1600 30" monitor so I do not want anything less than that. To be honest I am taking my 30" monitor for a check today since I suspect it's trouble is something simple with the PSU and that i can be resolved. If it comes back alive I will postpone the purchase and spend the money towards the new workstation I am building. Then I will wait for better monitors (40-43") to come out.
This or I will go for the Asus PA329Q.
 
N4CR said:
Can't believe no one has the Dell yet.
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You can check the Dell thread and will see at least one short review so some have received it. Review is favorable and looks fine, but nothing spectacular. After I ordered the Dell myself, I decided I was just going to wait and see so I canceled it.

Think I might go ultrawide instead of 16:9 4k, something like the Acer X34, or I may just wait for some of the DP 1.3 monitors to show up. Undecided as of yet.
 
The monitor starts to show image retention. Right now, it's not permanent, but it's a no-go.

Besides that the backlight uniformity is bad and/or the screen has a flickering issue. (the lines look weird in the PWM test: Blur Busters UFO Motion Tests)

I will return it.
 
Sven11 said:
The monitor starts to show image retention. Right now, it's not permanent, but it's a no-go.

Besides that the backlight uniformity is bad and/or the screen has a flickering issue. (the lines look weird in the PWM test: Blur Busters UFO Motion Tests)

I will return it.
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So you bought the Philip 43 4k one? Is it ok for gaming? Im not talking about super fast for FPS games like CS GO, but for games like WoW, Diablo 3, etc... is it ok?
 
jincuteguy said:
So you bought the Philip 43 4k one? Is it ok for gaming? Im not talking about super fast for FPS games like CS GO, but for games like WoW, Diablo 3, etc... is it ok?
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I played a little Fallout 4 and Divinity: Original Sin (kind of like Diablo) and it was fine.

Sven11 said:
The monitor starts to show image retention. Right now, it's not permanent, but it's a no-go.

Besides that the backlight uniformity is bad and/or the screen has a flickering issue. (the lines look weird in the PWM test: Blur Busters UFO Motion Tests)

I will return it.
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That's no good. Mine is still working fine with no noticeable image retention though.
 
I know this Philip monitor has a Glossy screen, but what about the Dell version of this monitor? Does it have a glossy screen as well? anyone knows? thx.
 
jincuteguy said:
So you bought the Philip 43 4k one? Is it ok for gaming? Im not talking about super fast for FPS games like CS GO, but for games like WoW, Diablo 3, etc... is it ok?
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Absolutely ok when Smartresponse is turned on (Mode: fast). I tried Elder Scrolls and Arma III. I even never noticed the famous dropping frame every 2-3 sec during gaming, but others may do.
 
morfinx said:
I played a little Fallout 4 and Divinity: Original Sin (kind of like Diablo) and it was fine.


That's no good. Mine is still working fine with no noticeable image retention though.
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Same to me at the beginning. I really tried to force image retention, but always failed. Then on the 4th day I forgot to turn off the monitor (while displaying this site: Blur Busters UFO Motion Tests) and when I returned after 6h there was severe image retention being visible (pixel orbiting was on). Now it takes only 1-2h to create image retention, but it depends on the content. The icons on the desktop or the taskbar still do not create any image retention
 
Sven11 said:
Same to me at the beginning. I really tried to force image retention, but always failed. Then on the 4th day I forgot to turn off the monitor (while displaying this site: Blur Busters UFO Motion Tests) and when I returned after 6h there was severe image retention being visible (pixel orbiting was on). Now it takes only 1-2h to create image retention, but it depends on the content. The icons on the desktop or the taskbar still do not create any image retention
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1-2 hr with a static image is a pretty long time, no?
 
So why buy these monitors when you can buy those Samsung 4k TV and use as monitor? I see a lot of guides on here for SAmsung 4k TV using for PC?
 
Also, anyone knows if the new Dell 43" 4k monitor variant of this Philip has a Glossy screen as well?
 
All references to this model BDM4350UC have disappeared from Philips website. A little bit odd.
 
Hmm are they delisting it? Perhaps they realized that the panel is a POS and are getting back to the drawing board.

If anyone searches on the internet for this monitor and bumps up to this thread (38K+ views) then it is really bad publicity.

The product is problematic. That is all I know so they need to take it off the market and release it when it is ready with a quality panel.
 
JargonGR said:
Hmm are they delisting it? Perhaps they realized that the panel is a POS and are getting back to the drawing board.

If anyone searches on the internet for this monitor and bumps up to this thread (38K+ views) then it is really bad publicity.

The product is problematic. That is all I know so they need to take it off the market and release it when it is ready with a quality panel.
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What do these Philip monitors have problem with? I thought they're pretty good?
 
jincuteguy said:
So why buy these monitors when you can buy those Samsung 4k TV and use as monitor? I see a lot of guides on here for SAmsung 4k TV using for PC?
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If you are referring to the JS9000 series the answer is they are very expensive. Although at this point they still seem to be the 4k tv to beat. Everyone is trying to find something cheaper and just as good quality wise.
 
jincuteguy said:
So why buy these monitors when you can buy those Samsung 4k TV and use as monitor? I see a lot of guides on here for SAmsung 4k TV using for PC?
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Some people don't want to choose between 4:4:4 chroma (PC mode in the Samsungs) and low input lag (Game Mode).
 
Ozymandias said:
Some people don't want to choose between 4:4:4 chroma (PC mode in the Samsungs) and low input lag (Game Mode).
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Im confused, So those Samsung 4k TV have 4:4:4 mode, but High input lag? if it has high input lag, why ppl buy them? just for 4:4:4? what does 4:4:4 even do?
 
Skott said:
If you are referring to the JS9000 series the answer is they are very expensive. Although at this point they still seem to be the 4k tv to beat. Everyone is trying to find something cheaper and just as good quality wise.
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Yes, they are expensive, but ppl still buy them over a monitor? So that's why I don't get it.
I thought Monitor have Better color and input lag? So why buy those 4k TV when you can buy 4k monitors?
 
JargonGR said:
Wide gamut and no sRGB emulation mode at hardware level??? Why? What is the target group of this monitor because out side color managed applications all colors are going to look, well : wrong.
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Hello,

I have Philips 4k Tn monitor. I noticed that what you said. Outside After Effects or Photoshop the image is washed away with weak contrast, even in games. But when I press Reactivate Amd color control in control panel of graphics card, contrast is bumped and the image is much better and more accurate. But I cannot use icc profile of the monitor and settings from graphics at the same time. Now I think that I don't need to use icc profile because the image is similar as on my tv. What is right way to do it?
 
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