40,000 Unionized Verizon Workers Walk Off The Job

LOL and you call my view ignorant . If people worked 8.5 hours a day they would not "participate" in jumping of buildings ...
And saying that suicide is accepted is rather cruel and not justified in any way. You should have paid more attention in school ....

So, what you are saying is, ignore facts about hours worked in a day, because they don't fit your ideas? Uh, no thanks.

There is nothing cruel about a factual observation, and is also trying to demonize a view because it points out a fact and reason for a statistic. In America, suicide is viewed as a sin, as a negative, which comes from Christianity, even people who do not believe in a God, but were born or raised here have this view because it is the prevailing view point in this country. However in most Asian countries, China included, suicide has been an accepted way to escape shame or to keep family honor in tact, this is not even a concept to most American families, but has high pressure from family members in many Asian countries, this is simple cultural fact, if you don't like that, to bad. You are also suggesting pulling these jobs from workers that has given them a 3/4 lower suicide rate compared to the rest of the country, so you are actually suggesting removing the only thing lowering these rates, and I am the cruel one?

Maybe you should do some actual research and not believe everything parroted to you in public school.
 
There are good unions and there are useless unions. I have seen both.

A good union is large enough to have negotiating power but not so large that it gets stuck in top heavy politics, e.g. the situation we have now with rank and file wanting to vote for Bernie Sanders, but union bosses endorsing Hillary. (In reality the issues are more practical than that, for instance administration not wanting to rock the boats with grievances or lawsuits so they can be on good footing for a new CBA negotiation or something, but it's a timely example.) A good union has responsive reps who know what they are doing and actually give a shit about employee grievances and give them adequate representation. A good union is willing to not only strike but educate workers on how to strike, how to talk about it, how to carry it out. See e.g. Chicago teacher's union strike which had an excellent messaging campaign.

A bad union is the opposite of the above. Lazy reps, shitty contract negotiations, top heavy administration concerned more with playing political games than rank and file issues.

It's not a black and white issue as much as some people love to think. A good union can truly make your workplace better. A bad one can actually hurt you, for instance locking you into CBA rules that are sometimes worse than state employment law protections. (E.g. here in CA you can negotiate away meal break and overtime rights to some extent in a CBA.) Every union is different. Make no mistake however, for the past 50 or 60 years, union busting has been hugely successful to the point where now, unions are mostly relegated to "old" industries like the auto industry and airlines, or government jobs. Big employers want to bust unions and make unionizing difficult for a reason and it sure as shit isn't because they "care about the American worker" or free enterprise or whatever pixie dust some people want to snort.
that pixie dust you mention is some powerful shit.. i mean it has some saying there should not be a minimum wage at all and shit like that... its really bewildering.... the opposite truths are so simple yet they dont take, it just doesn't jive at all... powerful dust, i mean it is pumped by billionaire constantly, so i guess maybe is not that surprising.
 
Secondly if you think $15 an hour is "incredibly high" anywhere in this country you have no business in this discussion and really dont know what you are talking about at all...

Not sure where you work but $15 an hour is incredibly high for an hourly wage. Most companies start out around a couple dollars more than minimum wage. He'll when I started for the State of COLORADO I was making $12 as a full time technician. When I hit 15 I was thrilled and that took 4 years. Most decent jobs start out well below 15 across the nation, he'll my buddy just took a starting police officer position for a small town outside of Denver and that started him at 34k. 34k translates to what $16 maybe $17 an hour for a police officer?

WTF do you know about North Dakota or Alabama any fucking way? ND is in the middle of a massive oil rush, $15 an hour is nothing out there right now. ND also has pretty high average pay for menial shit like cashiers who make on average nearly $10 an hour.[/ QUOTE]

Perhaps you should stay informed on the oil rush. ND is dead and is laying people off left and right. My company just slashed jobs up there by 12% other companies are cutting their workforces by as much as 30% and it is having massive repercussions on the local economies.

For a guy who dont like sweeping blanket statements you like throwing around uninformed ones.

Lots of uniformed statements in this thread.
 
As factual as getting a better paid job can lead to jumping of buildings ...
Must be cultural..

Samsung finds labour violations at dozens of its Chinese suppliers

Honestly you must have been living in a cave last 2 decades.

Not at all, but rather than take at face value something a extremely left paper like the Guardian posts, I actually dig into the matter, and have been keeping track of for years.

First, the working hour violations...Are Samsung violations, not local violations, anything over 40 hours they view as a violation, and in a worker saturated market, the only way for these people to make more money is to work more hours, so you are robbing these people of bettering them selves. The 40 hour work week was also adopted as a means to again, like Unions artificially make labor scarce. If someone came to my job and found them in violation because I work over 40 hours every single week and they tried to make my company pull that time from me, I would tell them to fuck off, just as most of these workers would feel, because it is money out of their pocket.

The wage and benefits violations were for everyone not having been automatically subscribed to social insurance, but this was due to the workers not wanting it, most in places like China are very frugal with money and save almost everything, and do not want to pay into that system but rather keep the money, but Samsung said no and has mandated everyone be subscribed into it. I wish SS was optional here, I would sure as hell opt out of it, along with this heath care system. So what they are doing is robing the workers of extra money.

PPE and safety violations were because they did not monitor workers close enough to make sure they had all PPE on at all times, good God is this a joke. As someone who works in the industrial field, you can go to any site at any time and find many people without PPE gear on because they chose not to or hate wearing it, again, this was the WORKERS not using or taking off PPE gear.

And to put that into perspective, that was from the investigation of over 200 plants and millions of workers, as someone who has been a part of safety audits, I have to say that's a damn good track record.

You are also suggesting in your post that because of these factors and working conditions are the reason for the suicides, except these sites and workers have a lower rate, your argument might make even a little sense if the rate was higher, but it's not, its lower, so your stance does not even make logical sense.

Not sure where you work but $15 an hour is incredibly high for an hourly wage. Most companies start out around a couple dollars more than minimum wage. He'll when I started for the State of COLORADO I was making $12 as a full time technician. When I hit 15 I was thrilled and that took 4 years. Most decent jobs start out well below 15 across the nation, he'll my buddy just took a starting police officer position for a small town outside of Denver and that started him at 34k. 34k translates to what $16 maybe $17 an hour for a police officer?

It is because most of these locations have higher minimum wage requirements or other social programs that drive up the cost of living, so wages are higher, but real wages are lower. I have a few friends in California, one of them is a girl in her mid 20's who cleans houses and makes almost what I do an hour. However, because I am in Texas, with a very low cost of living, my real wage is actually quiet high and my standard of living is far greater. Some states $15 is not very much, others its actually a very good wage, or an extremely good wage for a starting job.
 
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There was a time and place for unions. They have since out lived their original purpose. Now greedy employees like to strong arm their employers and make it difficult for companies to use American labor and stay competitive in a global market.
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CWA are the same subhuman trash who did this shit 5 years ago.

Verizon Strikers Using Children, Harassing & Menacing Replacement Workers

Thank god for Breitbart.

I've heard complaints from a few forum posters about how (I suppose) "conservative" the forums are. You know why I come here? Because of the intelligent and informed users; we love technology, enthusiast class hardware and research before jumping in headfirst. This carries on to other things in life. Happens to be, thar some damn smart people posting who know how the world really works. Not how the liberal ideas of a Utopia works.

Mugato
 
Crazy thought.

What if the union strike was staged so that Bernie Sanders could show up and get himself another 40k votes?
 
Again, if you're trying to raise kids on minimum wage, you're doing something wrong. If you're working at minimum wage, you shouldn't have kids, period. Unless you're absolutely willing to put in the necessary hours to make it happen at minimum wage, instead of crying for all the welfare and minimum wage increases you can get. Also, it is possible to live off minimum wage. Hard, and sacrifices have to be made, but possible. Additionally, you're doing something wrong if you stay at the bottom for more than a few years.

Like many things, unions are great in theory, but have become corrupted by the people at the top and the process. Same thing with communism and socialism. No ideal large scale endeavor ever lasts, because human greed and selfishness will eventually corrupt it.

I agree, you should probably not be having kids if you are trying to live on minimum wage. If you are decently intelligent and just in a bad place for whatever reason, maybe rethink it. Otherwise, idiocracy happens. The PWT have tons of kids and flood the earth. Higher IQ individuals do not and well then, we have a mess. It's a big discussion so I'll stop now.
 
Union membership has not been mandatory since 1947. Unions defend all members and all non-members as a matter of law. In right to work states the freeloading scum can get, must be given, union membership in a Union workplace and these freeloading ticks can sue if they don't think they got enough for their no money spent. Union members died for your right to overtime, for safe working conditions, for the weekend, and so much more.
Next, you will be telling the B.S. about the ten DOT workers or the lazy government employees. None of which you will know anything about.
With decades in both unionized and non-union shops I choose Unions every time. P.S. You forgot the B.S. about "Union Bosses", next time remember your talking points.
Get a clue.


Calling people who disagree with you ignorant, clueless, freeloaders, scum, ticks, and reliant on talking points doesn't do much to convince people to reconsider their negative assessment of unions; in fact it has an opposite effect. If unions consist of people like you, then I want no part of them.
 
Calling people who disagree with you ignorant, clueless, freeloaders, scum, ticks, and reliant on talking points doesn't do much to convince people to reconsider their negative assessment of unions; in fact it has an opposite effect. If unions consist of people like you, then I want no part of them.

First, let me repeat: There has been no mandatory union membership since 1947, you neglected to deal with that talking point.

They take for free, they apply for work at an Unionized location with benefits won by a unionized workforce. Definitely freeloaders. Gimme the job, gimme the benefits, gimme the pay, and they don't want to give back. What do you call them? If they don't want to chip in, then don't apply for a job in a unionized workplace.
The Union on the other hand must represent them, must cough up legal fees if needed to defend a freeloader, a little one way?
 
There has been no mandatory union membership since 1947
This is "technically" true. For now. The supreme court just recently heard a case about whether or not it is lawful to charge employees a fine if they're NOT in the union. It deadlocked 4-4.

So, sure. You can pay to be in the union, or you can pay to NOT be in the union. But hey, membership's not mandatory!
 
This is "technically" true. For now. The supreme court just recently heard a case about whether or not it is lawful to charge employees a fine if they're NOT in the union. It deadlocked 4-4.

So, sure. You can pay to be in the union, or you can pay to NOT be in the union. But hey, membership's not mandatory!

That shit is ridiculous.
 
Sorry, but you are full of bullshit.

The only one peddling BS here is you. Why is it that the states with no unions have shit jobs? If being independent was so great then Mississippi, Tennessee and Louisiana would be booming. They aren't primarily because they believe the same BS that you peddle and that is if you go it alone you'll do much better.. That viewpoint isn't applicable ANYWHERE in life but hey feel free to fool yourself.
 
I have absolutely nothing invested in this conversation, however this post seemed like an extended version of the incoherent rambling phone call from Guns n Roses Knocking on heaven's door.
So you are showing how non-invested you are by commenting on it? Good job.
 
This is "technically" true. For now. The supreme court just recently heard a case about whether or not it is lawful to charge employees a fine if they're NOT in the union. It deadlocked 4-4.

So, sure. You can pay to be in the union, or you can pay to NOT be in the union. But hey, membership's not mandatory!
It's not the problem is that unions are forced to negotiate for all of the workers. So why should someone who does not want to be a in a union get a benefit?
 
So you are showing how non-invested you are by commenting on it? Good job.

HA! Well, Now I'm invested.

People can comment on things that they are not invested in. Making observations out loud for the sake of humour. Some people make a career out of it!

Are you aware of a major social phenomenon known as 'comedy?' I can't tell by your posts.
 
The only one peddling BS here is you. Why is it that the states with no unions have shit jobs? If being independent was so great then Mississippi, Tennessee and Louisiana would be booming. They aren't primarily because they believe the same BS that you peddle and that is if you go it alone you'll do much better.. That viewpoint isn't applicable ANYWHERE in life but hey feel free to fool yourself.


Wisconsin boomed when they kicked the unions out. Went from the verge of bankruptcy to having a state surplus for the first time in nearly a decade. Texas has one of the largest economic growth rates and they are very anti union down there, and some of the best paying jobs are in Texas currently - its a hot spot for people to move to. So yeah, you are full of shit.
 
Wisconsin boomed when they kicked the unions out. Went from the verge of bankruptcy to having a state surplus for the first time in nearly a decade. Texas has one of the largest economic growth rates and they are very anti union down there, and some of the best paying jobs are in Texas currently - its a hot spot for people to move to. So yeah, you are full of shit.

I don't disagree with your points, but Texas has a lot of other things that REALLY boost its economy. Like NASA, farming... [H]ardOCP...
 
I don't disagree with your points, but Texas has a lot of other things that REALLY boost its economy. Like NASA, farming... [H]ardOCP...

Energy really boomed down there recently though - lot of jobs in energy to be had that currently supposedly they can't fill fast enough. That's the going word anyway right now.
 
It's not the problem is that unions are forced to negotiate for all of the workers. So why should someone who does not want to be a in a union get a benefit?
Why should someone be forced to pay for representation they didn't ask for?

And unions don't negotiate for all workers. They negotiate for union members. For example, in the company I work for, there are union and non-union employees. Union employees get pension AND 401k. I just get 401k.
 
Actually, I used to for for Version FiOS department which was covered under CWA.

It was the most horrible place I have ever worked, the rules and regulations forced on the employees are so horrible, people had pre-printed non-dated letters of resignation stored in their desks. (Because a quit looks better on your resume than getting fired)

They work on a system of "occurrences", 3 occurrences in a 6th month period is immediate termination. The following things (among others) counts as an occurrence.

  • Arriving to work more than 1 second late.
  • Coming back from Lunch more than 1 second late.
  • Coming back from one of your two 15 minutes breaks more than 1 second late.
  • Unscheduled Absence.
It is literally impossible to meet those rules, it was so bad that people would be scared to take lunch or even use the bathroom.


Oh man... this made me laugh. People feel that the working conditions are garbage because they have to show up on time, come back from lunch on time, come back from breaks on time? Seriously the smallest amount of discipline is necessary to accomplish this. It's a job, your employer sets your hours and you abide by them... plain and simple. If you don't like those hours / restrictions, career change to a freelance designer or software developer where you can pretty much set your own hours. Most customer service / call centers have very strict rules like that... nothing new there.
 
Oh man... this made me laugh. People feel that the working conditions are garbage because they have to show up on time, come back from lunch on time, come back from breaks on time? Seriously the smallest amount of discipline is necessary to accomplish this. It's a job, your employer sets your hours and you abide by them... plain and simple. If you don't like those hours / restrictions, career change to a freelance designer or software developer where you can pretty much set your own hours. Most customer service / call centers have very strict rules like that... nothing new there.

Nothing illegal with setting such conditions, but it's not a good way to create decent workplace morale. Being on-time is part of being responsible, but c'mon: 5 minutes here and there isn't going to kill anyone and it doesn't mean JACK for productivity. I'm of the mind that if you get stuck in traffic and you end up 10-15 minutes late: you stay back 10-15 minutes after your shift to make it up.

Other places work on the idea of "If you're getting shit done, we could care less"
 
Nothing illegal with setting such conditions, but it's not a good way to create decent workplace morale. Being on-time is part of being responsible, but c'mon: 5 minutes here and there isn't going to kill anyone and it doesn't mean JACK for productivity. I'm of the mind that if you get stuck in traffic and you end up 10-15 minutes late: you stay back 10-15 minutes after your shift to make it up.

Other places work on the idea of "If you're getting shit done, we could care less"

Absolutely... it's the worst when it comes to morale and you end up with spending far more resources hiring and training new employees due to increased turnover. I'm all for flexibility in the workplace (my boss is great with this and I'm good with my team about it)... it leads to a much more stress-free environment and better morale.

I also work in a much more relaxed environment like you said... get shit done, who cares but unfortunately that is more of company culture and not all businesses / industries are like that. I've always been of the mind that if you don't like your job or where you work for whatever reason, change where you work. It isn't always easy but if that will improve your situation, go for it. No one is forcing you to work there.

If you're uneducated or have an undesirable skill set, then you may have a tougher time in some cases but it all boils down to the choices we make on a day to day basis. I think that doesn't get factored into a lot of decisions that young-adults make these days and end up paying for that 10+ years down the road.
 
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Wisconsin boomed when they kicked the unions out. Went from the verge of bankruptcy to having a state surplus for the first time in nearly a decade. Texas has one of the largest economic growth rates and they are very anti union down there, and some of the best paying jobs are in Texas currently - its a hot spot for people to move to. So yeah, you are full of shit.

Wisconsin is a joke. 725 million budget hole (In Walker's own words?) Maybe you meant Kansas? LOL Republican Heaven, Union Hell, Economic disaster.

Walker would also put more than $100 million more into the state's rainy-day fund, which currently holds about $279 million.

But his overall plan would leave the state in worse financial shape in the long term. Walker said his plan would add perhaps $100 million to the $725 million shortfall projected for the next two-year budget by the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau.

[...]

Walker would also put more than $100 million more into the state's rainy-day fund, which currently holds about $279 million.

But his overall plan would leave the state in worse financial shape in the long term. Walker said his plan would add perhaps $100 million to the $725 million shortfall projected for the next two-year budget by the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau. [Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, 1/22/14]
 
This is "technically" true. For now. The supreme court just recently heard a case about whether or not it is lawful to charge employees a fine if they're NOT in the union. It deadlocked 4-4.

So, sure. You can pay to be in the union, or you can pay to NOT be in the union. But hey, membership's not mandatory!

They're called "agency fees." Union bullies/apologists like Rick Ungar claim that they really don't apply or are negligible because non-union workers are compelled to pay "only that portion of union dues that is attributable to the cost of representing employees in collective bargaining and providing the service that are given to union members. Indeed, the law [Taft-Hartley] specifically states that non-members cannot be required to pay for the union’s political activities or for the costs incurred by the union resulting from organizing employees." Of course, that frees up more money from dues-paying members to be donated to political campaigns and parties that often conflict with the convictions of many workers whether union or otherwise. Compulsion exists whether the money is supposedly used only for collective bargaining and miscellaneous services or for the full gamut of union campaigning and backdoor politics.
 
Wisconsin is a joke. 725 million budget hole (In Walker's own words?) Maybe you meant Kansas? LOL Republican Heaven, Union Hell, Economic disaster.

Walker would also put more than $100 million more into the state's rainy-day fund, which currently holds about $279 million.

But his overall plan would leave the state in worse financial shape in the long term. Walker said his plan would add perhaps $100 million to the $725 million shortfall projected for the next two-year budget by the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau.

[...]

Walker would also put more than $100 million more into the state's rainy-day fund, which currently holds about $279 million.

But his overall plan would leave the state in worse financial shape in the long term. Walker said his plan would add perhaps $100 million to the $725 million shortfall projected for the next two-year budget by the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau. [Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, 1/22/14]


If you want to be technical?

Wisconsin, by state law, is required to have a balanced budget. That means it is prohibited from running a deficit, which happens when a government spends more money than it has.

You might be referring to a previously projected budget shortfall. That is how much state agencies request in spending minus what the state is projected to make in revenue. But agencies don’t always get what they want.


This was not the case when the unions were in town.
 
No problem. Cut education. Cut the social safety net. Give the money as tax breaks to the rich. No problem?
 
No problem. Cut education. Cut the social safety net. Give the money as tax breaks to the rich. No problem?


No rpoblem. Ignore reality. Stick to same talking points even if irrelevant or not pertaining to conversation. Eschew intelligent conversation. Don't think, obey. No problem?
 
They're called "agency fees." Union bullies/apologists like Rick Ungar claim that they really don't apply or are negligible because non-union workers are compelled to pay "only that portion of union dues that is attributable to the cost of representing employees in collective bargaining and providing the service that are given to union members. Indeed, the law [Taft-Hartley] specifically states that non-members cannot be required to pay for the union’s political activities or for the costs incurred by the union resulting from organizing employees." Of course, that frees up more money from dues-paying members to be donated to political campaigns and parties that often conflict with the convictions of many workers whether union or otherwise. Compulsion exists whether the money is supposedly used only for collective bargaining and miscellaneous services or for the full gamut of union campaigning and backdoor politics.

You started with "forced to join unions" that is proved B.S. You then proved the money can't be used for politics, yet the freeloaders should be able to whine and get things free. Did some Faux news outlet teach you to say "fungible"? If they don't want to be subject to the fees go find another job. If they want the good job, the pay and the benefits, suck it up. Remember without a vote FOR a union there would have been no union to whine about. I guess they just hate democracy in action.
 
You started with "forced to join unions" that is proved B.S. You then proved the money can't be used for politics, yet the freeloaders should be able to whine and get things free. Did some Faux news outlet teach you to say "fungible"? If they don't want to be subject to the fees go find another job. If they want the good job, the pay and the benefits, suck it up. Remember without a vote FOR a union there would have been no union to whine about. I guess they just hate democracy in action.


Same dumb talking points. Same regurgitation of whatever you've been told to say. No real thought behind it - hard to say who's really saying it - you or the people you let brainwash you with this crap.
 
No problem. Ignore reality. Stick to same talking points even if irrelevant or not pertaining to the conversation. Eschew intelligent conversation. Don't think, obey. No problem?

Please. Just try to ignore Kansas. Then try to ignore California. Try to ignore that all of the right to work states with one exemption are the highest per capita takers of federal dollars. Try to ignore the United States is the proof of the rightness and strength of a union.
 
Same dumb talking points. Same regurgitation of whatever you've been told to say. No real thought behind it - hard to say who's really saying it - you or the people you let brainwash you with this crap.
This is pretty much every argument.
Democrats feel this way about Republican arguments, Republicans feel this way about Democrat arguments, Union people feel this way about corporate apologists :D, etc.
 
Let's get one thing straight...



Employers and Corporations did not feel generous and decide to give you two days off every week to have a social/personal life. (We now call them weekends). Corporations did not just feel like being nice one day and give their employees paid vacations. CEOs didn't get together in a board room and say "Let's give our employees more rights at work" or "Maybe there should be laws to limit our power over an employee".



Virtually ALL the benefits you have at work, whether you work in the public or private sector, all of the benefits and rights you enjoy everyday are there because unions fought hard and long for them against big business who did everything they could to prevent giving you your rights. Many union leaders and members even lost their lives for things we take for granted today.



The right-wing attack on unions is nothing more than ignorance, lack of education, and propaganda.



If republicans would rather support corporations instead of organized groups of workers working to secure a fair work environment A.K.A a union, I ask them to walk the walk as well. Give up every benefit and right that you use that unions are responsible for.



Complete trust and submit yourself to the corporate agenda you fight for. Play by their rules with no influence from democrats or labor unions to try to force rights among the workers of this country. Dedicate your life to their life goal of making your company more money than the year before. Just understand that this may mean sacrificing the union fought rights you enjoy everyday. I mean, you don't want to be a hypocrite, do you? Like bashing unions on your union fought lunch break? Which means if you practice what you preach, you don't get a lunch break.



Corporations use to work employees 80+ hours a week, offer no breaks, hire children, offer horrid, unsanitary work conditions, paid literally next to nothing, and even murder. Not murder with a pen like they do today, but actual murder. They basically did whatever they wanted.



This is what they were like before unions. Don't take my word for it, look it up. (Links at bottom of page). If we rid the world of unions tomorrow, who is to say that they won't go right back to the way they were merely 70 years ago? The GOP governor of Maine signed a bill to repeal child labor laws this year, maybe they are going back to their roots whether we have unions or not.



So conservatives, please practice what you preach and give up all these rights and leave the umbrella of these laws for they were brought to you by unions...



36 Reasons Why You Should Thank a Union



  • Weekends
  • All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks
  • Paid Vacation
  • FMLA
  • Sick Leave
  • Social Security
  • Minimum Wage
  • Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
  • 8-Hour Work Day
  • Overtime Pay
  • Child Labor Laws
  • Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
  • 40 Hour Work Week
  • Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp)
  • Unemployment Insurance
  • Pensions
  • Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations
  • Employer Health Care Insurance
  • Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees
  • Wrongful Termination Laws
  • Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
  • Whistleblower Protection Laws
  • Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee)
  • Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
  • Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)
  • Sexual Harassment Laws
  • Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
  • Holiday Pay
  • Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance
  • Privacy Rights
  • Pregnancy and Parental Leave
  • Military Leave
  • The Right to Strike
  • Public Education for Children
  • Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)
  • Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States
So will conservatives give up all 36 of these union fought rights? Will they stand by their rhetoric that unions are thugs and refuse to take benefits from these "thugs" or will they hypocritically carry on the diatribe that unions are ruining this country while enjoying their weekends and paid vacations?


Or...

Maybe they could just admit that while not perfect, like anything else, unions have done great things for working people that they use and benefit from everyday of their lives?

Maybe a conservative union-hating family got to have some of the best moments of their lives while on vacation from work, and they still got to come to a job still there waiting for them, because of unions?

Maybe a conservative can't wait for their lunch break at work so they can turn on the radio and listen to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Back talk about how horrible unions are?

If you don't want to give up all your union fought rights and benefits at work, I understand. I don't want to either, that's why I'm pro-union and vote Democrat.

But maybe you could just admit that unions are not demons spawned from hell, and admit the FACT that they have improved your life in more ways than one?

Or am I asking too much?
 
Let's get one thing straight...



Employers and Corporations did not feel generous and decide to give you two days off every week to have a social/personal life. (We now call them weekends). Corporations did not just feel like being nice one day and give their employees paid vacations. CEOs didn't get together in a board room and say "Let's give our employees more rights at work" or "Maybe there should be laws to limit our power over an employee".



Virtually ALL the benefits you have at work, whether you work in the public or private sector, all of the benefits and rights you enjoy everyday are there because unions fought hard and long for them against big business who did everything they could to prevent giving you your rights. Many union leaders and members even lost their lives for things we take for granted today.



The right-wing attack on unions is nothing more than ignorance, lack of education, and propaganda.



If republicans would rather support corporations instead of organized groups of workers working to secure a fair work environment A.K.A a union, I ask them to walk the walk as well. Give up every benefit and right that you use that unions are responsible for.



Complete trust and submit yourself to the corporate agenda you fight for. Play by their rules with no influence from democrats or labor unions to try to force rights among the workers of this country. Dedicate your life to their life goal of making your company more money than the year before. Just understand that this may mean sacrificing the union fought rights you enjoy everyday. I mean, you don't want to be a hypocrite, do you? Like bashing unions on your union fought lunch break? Which means if you practice what you preach, you don't get a lunch break.



Corporations use to work employees 80+ hours a week, offer no breaks, hire children, offer horrid, unsanitary work conditions, paid literally next to nothing, and even murder. Not murder with a pen like they do today, but actual murder. They basically did whatever they wanted.



This is what they were like before unions. Don't take my word for it, look it up. (Links at bottom of page). If we rid the world of unions tomorrow, who is to say that they won't go right back to the way they were merely 70 years ago? The GOP governor of Maine signed a bill to repeal child labor laws this year, maybe they are going back to their roots whether we have unions or not.



So conservatives, please practice what you preach and give up all these rights and leave the umbrella of these laws for they were brought to you by unions...



36 Reasons Why You Should Thank a Union



  • Weekends
  • All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks
  • Paid Vacation
  • FMLA
  • Sick Leave
  • Social Security
  • Minimum Wage
  • Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
  • 8-Hour Work Day
  • Overtime Pay
  • Child Labor Laws
  • Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
  • 40 Hour Work Week
  • Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp)
  • Unemployment Insurance
  • Pensions
  • Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations
  • Employer Health Care Insurance
  • Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees
  • Wrongful Termination Laws
  • Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
  • Whistleblower Protection Laws
  • Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee)
  • Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
  • Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)
  • Sexual Harassment Laws
  • Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
  • Holiday Pay
  • Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance
  • Privacy Rights
  • Pregnancy and Parental Leave
  • Military Leave
  • The Right to Strike
  • Public Education for Children
  • Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)
  • Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States
So will conservatives give up all 36 of these union fought rights? Will they stand by their rhetoric that unions are thugs and refuse to take benefits from these "thugs" or will they hypocritically carry on the diatribe that unions are ruining this country while enjoying their weekends and paid vacations?


Or...

Maybe they could just admit that while not perfect, like anything else, unions have done great things for working people that they use and benefit from everyday of their lives?

Maybe a conservative union-hating family got to have some of the best moments of their lives while on vacation from work, and they still got to come to a job still there waiting for them, because of unions?

Maybe a conservative can't wait for their lunch break at work so they can turn on the radio and listen to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Back talk about how horrible unions are?

If you don't want to give up all your union fought rights and benefits at work, I understand. I don't want to either, that's why I'm pro-union and vote Democrat.

But maybe you could just admit that unions are not demons spawned from hell, and admit the FACT that they have improved your life in more ways than one?

Or am I asking too much?


You are asking too much.

Because unions at one point DID serve a purpose for the working man, but now, too many of their members are shafted, threatened to join or contribute, used as a political arm (and don't tell me that legally they aren't supposed to, because they and their politician handlers aren't concerned with legality) etc.

Likewise, labor laws in the US have mitigated much of what unions used to do for people.

Unions now are nothing more than political arms of the democratic party. Unions haven't been relevant in "fighting for rights" since the 70's, unless you count Sports unions.

And your hatred of people who just want to be free to work and not be pressured to join a union and have that union take their money, have that union strike when they feel they are already being fairly treated by their employer, have the union tell them what to do, how to do it, and boss them around like a second boss and disrupt their lives, all while kicking back funds illegally to teamsters and their relatives, and in the form of anonymous campaign contributions to politicians - well, frankly, you seem unhinged. That you can't even acknowledge the rampant corruption in unions. People have sued corporations for unfair ethical practices and won. They have fought for their rights and won in a court of law without a union's help. That's what labor laws are there for.

But God help anyone who crosses a union - how can any group who rules through fear and intimidation, and isn't even touchable by a court of law be considered a good thing by any sane human being?
 
You are asking too much.

Because unions at one point DID serve a purpose for the working man, but now, too many of their members are shafted, threatened to join or contribute, used as a political arm (and don't tell me that legally they aren't supposed to, because they and their politician handlers aren't concerned with legality) etc.

Likewise, labor laws in the US have mitigated much of what unions used to do for people.

Unions now are nothing more than political arms of the democratic party. Unions haven't been relevant in "fighting for rights" since the 70's, unless you count Sports unions.

And your hatred of people who just want to be free to work and not be pressured to join a union and have that union take their money, have that union strike when they feel they are already being fairly treated by their employer, have the union tell them what to do, how to do it, and boss them around like a second boss and disrupt their lives, all while kicking back funds illegally to teamsters and their relatives, and in the form of anonymous campaign contributions to politicians - well, frankly, you seem unhinged. That you can't even acknowledge the rampant corruption in unions. People have sued corporations for unfair ethical practices and won. They have fought for their rights and won in a court of law without a union's help. That's what labor laws are there for.

But God help anyone who crosses a union - how can any group who rules through fear and intimidation, and isn't even touchable by a court of law be considered a good thing by any sane human being?

D E M O C R A C Y. I have ask why you are tossing all of the unproven right wing talking points. Unions are more subject to the courts than banks. The laws you claim will protect you are there due to unions continually protecting those rights. Do you think without a watchman that the laws won't be repealed? Gov. LePage from Maine tried to roll back child welfare laws. Other governors have passed laws limiting workers right to sue.
A union was elected in the workplace democratically. If you don't like Democracy get the union decertified.
My union has to have all of it's funds checked and certified as being spent legally every year. They don't get to pick the accountants and they pass every year.
Put down the radio, step away from the druggie limpbaugh and look at the real world, the one where only a union will give you a chance to stay ahead of the Kochs and others like them.
 
Unions lost all respect from me when Obama stole the majority of personally-held stocks for GM and Chrysler and gave them to the unions as part of the bailout. Apolitical? My ass. They are crooked and rotten and have been standing on the deeds of the past for far too long.
 
[QUOTE="narsbars, post: 1042242428, member: 130851"The right-wing attack on unions is nothing more than ignorance, lack of education, and propaganda.[/QUOTE]

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