I'm wanting to do a custom loop similar to yours, how much would you say you paid for all of the parts? I have a budget of 250 and i already have fans and radiators
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NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)
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I'm wanting to do a custom loop similar to yours, how much would you say you paid for all of the parts? I have a budget of 250 and i already have fans and radiators
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Long-time lurker here with a real noobie question that I'm sure has been addressed, but I'd greatly appreciate a one word answer -- can this case fit 2 120mm AIO liquid cooling units, e.g. the ones from Corsair -- one for the CPU and one for the GPU, and mount them both on the 240mm side bracket? Thanks!
Am I crazy for considering this 980 TI Classified EVGA 980 Ti Classified - $591.99 (After $20 MIR, $68 Rebate code EMCEHFM22) in the build in my sig?
edit: actually does this even fit...?
edit 2: It does not.
edit: actually does this even fit...?
edit 2: It does not.
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ghostwich
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You want one word? Yes.
You want more than one word? Yes but expect difficulty trying to get everything to fit.
Best of luck
You want one word? Yes.
You want more than one word? Yes but expect difficulty trying to get everything to fit.
Best of luck
Also make sure to be aware of the hoses being used in the AIO. Some of the newer corsair units have the braid hoses which seemed to be harder to bend and might cause issues.
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You want one word? Yes.
You want more than one word? Yes but expect difficulty trying to get everything to fit.
Best of luck
I believe people have used two of the Corsair H55 AIO units.
I did this with a Corsair H75 and EVGA 980Ti Hybrid for the last 8 months. I tried the rads in each position (GPU over mobo or over PSU) and in general have felt antsy about how tight things are with the tubes. It works with 2 AIO, but you'll need to be very clean on your cable layout and using an SFX (not SFX-L) PSU as you *will* need to run one set of tubes under the power supply to a degree.
I've been running the fans on the rads as intakes with a 92mm exhaust fan in the rear. Temps were much better with the GPU Rad over the motherboard where the exhaust fan could remove the most heat, so this meant looping the GPU tubes up to the left and up to the top, while the CPU tubes ran down to the right and that rad had the tubes on the bottom. Temps the other way around were pretty poor and the GPU rad heated up the PSU a lot (even more noise).
I'm trying a few things right now... adding 2 120mm fans on the bottom of the case and flipping the 92mm fan as intakes and changing the radiator fans to exhaust should help with temps dramatically. I'm also going to experiment with 2 bottom fan intakes, GPU rad exhaust, and changing to a Noctua D9L CPU cooler exhausting out the rear. I'm thinking the D9L will alleviate my anxiety about the tightness of the build with all the tubes, maybe net me a quieter build (one less pump), but I'm pretty unsure how much better it will do on temps.
Not my build, but there's some great photos on how this looks and works in this LTT thread: Two AIO Liquid coolers in my M1 Ncase (pictures)
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I am just mounting my NF-C14 and have a quick question. I took the 140mm fans off the cooler and am mounting them directly to the fan bracket. But using the rubber pegs for mounting, the fan is very loose on the side bracket. Did I do something wrong or how should I mount the fan correctly?
I would just use the case screws for it. I didn't have much luck using the rubber pegs on my fans either.
Ok, but what did you use as the female part? I only see screws...
I just screwed them right into the fan holes? The holes arent threaded or anything but I was able to just screw into the fan holes and it is super secure.
Ok, I just discovered the silver self-cutting screws. You mean those?
Yep!
I tried briefly and I couldn't get it going but I also have 2 spare 120mm fans so if I am honest I didn't try too hard. I am not sure they will fit because they don't have 120mm mounting holes on them like some 140mm fans do.
The fans of the NH-C14 do have 120mm mounting holes.
There is enough space for both fans next to each other. It is just that the spacing of the mounting holes in the case floor are not suitable. I will see if I can come up with an easy fix for the situation. Just a shame as I do not want to drill or glue anything...
If you do figure it out please post pics. I have to take my build apart to finally add my NH-C14 (was lacking the correct bracket) so I might as well look into using the 140mm fans
Hey guys I need some advice on what would be the best air cooling set up for a non-reference style GTX 970 (MSI Gaming). I was thinking of using an NH-U9S set to exhaust out the back of the case and having a single 120mm as intake on the side. Do I need another 2 fans on the bottom as intake for the card? I see a lot of people doing this but I don't get where the exhaust would go because the GPU completely covers the fans (on the floor of the case). Also wondering if the heat coming off the back of the card is an issue.
Another idea was to have no fans on the bottom then 2 on the side as intake. For the CPU cooler I'd use an NH-L9x65 and have the PSU intake on the inside of the case. (CPU is a 4590 BTW so it's locked and I'll be keeping the GPU stock as well. PSU will be the Silverstone SFX-L 500) I guess if it's really nessecary I could still have two fans on the floor but I'd like a decent balance between performance and noise and 4 fans seems pretty loud.
Another idea was to have no fans on the bottom then 2 on the side as intake. For the CPU cooler I'd use an NH-L9x65 and have the PSU intake on the inside of the case. (CPU is a 4590 BTW so it's locked and I'll be keeping the GPU stock as well. PSU will be the Silverstone SFX-L 500) I guess if it's really nessecary I could still have two fans on the floor but I'd like a decent balance between performance and noise and 4 fans seems pretty loud.
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I am using the same graphic card and I have a 240 radiator as intake as well as two 120mm fans in the bottom to force feed fresh air to the GPU.
The recycling waste heat problem is more severe than I thought. Even though I have 4 intake fans to create positive pressure, the hot air coming out of the case doesnt really seems to enough.
Not sure what you mean, there is room.
I also would like to know, wht you mean. In my M1 it fits perfect. Greetings from and to Germany
btw: The Corsair SF450 arrived yesterday at my neighbour
I have the same issue as Clonemaster. I am tryint to install 3 SSDs. Two in the front and one on the rear side of the front directly next to the PSU.
The two in the front do not fit using the Corsair SF450 SATA power cable. I do not want to use a Molex cable + adapter because I am connecting 3 drives. That would mean using two cables.
Here a picture:
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So, I finished the first build yesterday and still have following issues:
1. SSDs not fitting in the front due to Corsair power cables (see above)
2. Second 140mm fan of my NH-C14 does not fit in the case floor next to another 120mm fan. Only sollution I can see is using double-sided tape. Since the system will not be moved ofter, I can live with that. Any other ideas?
3. CPU fan speed control on the Asus Z170I PRO GAMING - I cannot set it to DC control. The case fans have the choice of PWC or DC control but not the CPU fan. Since I am using the 140mm fan of the NH-C14 which is not PWC I can only set the fan speed to a fixed speed using the Noctua low noise adapters. That is not very satisfying. Any suggestions here?
Thanks for your advice!
1. SSDs not fitting in the front due to Corsair power cables (see above)
2. Second 140mm fan of my NH-C14 does not fit in the case floor next to another 120mm fan. Only sollution I can see is using double-sided tape. Since the system will not be moved ofter, I can live with that. Any other ideas?
3. CPU fan speed control on the Asus Z170I PRO GAMING - I cannot set it to DC control. The case fans have the choice of PWC or DC control but not the CPU fan. Since I am using the 140mm fan of the NH-C14 which is not PWC I can only set the fan speed to a fixed speed using the Noctua low noise adapters. That is not very satisfying. Any suggestions here?
Thanks for your advice!
Do as I did in the picture you quoted, flip the SATA power connector. You're doing wires against wires, but if you flip the end connector, you slim the connector by a few mm.
The connectors are clearly the same on the Silverstone and the Corsair, but I have an SF600 lying at the post office waiting for me to pick it up and then I can demonstrate it. I'm out of town, but I'll compare the SF600 to the SX600-G next week.
I am not exactly sure what you mean with "flit the end connector". On your picture it seems one connector has an extension in comparison to the other one. And it also looks like the connectors are slightly offset next to each other, or is that just the angle of the picture?
Or are you talking about flipping the SSD?
You're right, you can't just flip the connector, you would have to do a small mod to do so. Now that I think about it, the Corsair might have the opposite orientation of the SX600-G so your solution would be to switch the cables. In your picture, put the top cable in the bottom drive and vice versa.
I tried switching the connectors. That does NOT work! Still too tight.
But here is the solution: You need to flip the SSDs so the connectors are not exactly above each other.
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Issues:
1. SSDs not fitting in the front due to Corsair power cables.
SOLVED! (Fliping the SSDs so the power adapters are not above eachother).
2. Second 140mm fan of my NH-C14 does not fit in the case floor next to another 120mm fan.
SOLVED! (Double sided tape keeps the 140mm fan in place. Seems secure enough and the case will not be moved a lot.
3. CPU fan speed control on the Asus Z170I PRO GAMING - I cannot set it to DC control. The case fans have the choice of PWC or DC control but not the CPU fan. Since I am using the 140mm fan of the NH-C14 which is not PWC I can only set the fan speed to a fixed speed using the Noctua low noise adapters. That is not very satisfying. Any suggestions here?
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4. Gigabyte GTX 960 Windforce 2x OC never stops spinning. I updated the bios to the F2 Beta version (Date 23.11.2015) but the fan never reduces below 43% (1300rpm) even when the GPU is at 23°C.
Since this is the loudest component I am quite annoyed as this build was set out to be quiet with a GPU that has a silent mode. Any suggestions? I already posted this issue over at Gigybte.
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Issues:
1. SSDs not fitting in the front due to Corsair power cables.
SOLVED! (Fliping the SSDs so the power adapters are not above eachother).
2. Second 140mm fan of my NH-C14 does not fit in the case floor next to another 120mm fan.
SOLVED! (Double sided tape keeps the 140mm fan in place. Seems secure enough and the case will not be moved a lot.
3. CPU fan speed control on the Asus Z170I PRO GAMING - I cannot set it to DC control. The case fans have the choice of PWC or DC control but not the CPU fan. Since I am using the 140mm fan of the NH-C14 which is not PWC I can only set the fan speed to a fixed speed using the Noctua low noise adapters. That is not very satisfying. Any suggestions here?
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4. Gigabyte GTX 960 Windforce 2x OC never stops spinning. I updated the bios to the F2 Beta version (Date 23.11.2015) but the fan never reduces below 43% (1300rpm) even when the GPU is at 23°C.
Since this is the loudest component I am quite annoyed as this build was set out to be quiet with a GPU that has a silent mode. Any suggestions? I already posted this issue over at Gigybte.
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ghostwich
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3. A bit confusing - the 140mm fan is 3-pin? Is it plugged into the CPU_FAN header on the motherboard?
4. Regardless of the BIOS, have you set a custom fan curve using MSI Afterburner / EVGA Precision X? Gigabyte may have its own software, but Afterburner/PrecisionX can be used with any NVIDIA card.
At this point your issues seem pretty specific and no longer related to the case itself, yeah?
3. Yes, 3-pin fan connected to the CPU header. No control available on the Asus Z170I Pro Gaming
4. Even in MSI Afterburner I am not able to reduce the speed below 43% - 1300rpm. But you are right, it is not case related. I just thought somebody here had some more knowledge than me...
Is a single 240mm rad and slim fans on the bottom of the the M1 sufficient to cool both the cpu and gpu (say a 6700k and R9 Nano)? Most watercooling setups I have seen have been with side rads or dual rad setups. I'm worried about temperature and possibly noise from using slim fans.
a) connect the fan to another header, which has DC control, or
b) buy a proper PWM fan.
PWM fans have a few advantages:
They have a much wider RPM range, meaning they can go much quieter at idle while still being able to move a lot of air at load.
You can daisy-chain several PWM fans together with an adapter that draws power directly from the PSU but transmits PWM signal from the CPU header, if you have more fans than headers.
They will always (?) start, unlike DC fans that need higher starting voltage than running voltage.
Could you please post an example of the adapter you mean? Thanks!
Are you using the Asus AI3 software. I have a 3 pin silverstone fan connected to a fan header and able to throttle it down 40% via the software.
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You can also use the "silencer" plug that comes with the NH-C14, which iirc, reduces the voltage of the fan lowering the speed. This is obviously not PWM but it does reduce the sound if that's what your after. Note the C14 does not come with a PWM fan, so you're boned on that if it's all that your after.
Are you using the same motherboard? Asus Z170I Pro Gaming? I am using the system with MAC and PC so kind of need a soltion that works with the BIOS. Or is the AI3 Software available for Mac?
I am using the low noise adapter. But that is a fixed speed option. Still loud, eventhough my CPU is at 25°C...
Yes, Im using the Z170i Pro Gaming. Unfortunately I think the AI3 software is only for PC.
Well, today I ordered parts for my next NCASE build. I've put it off for a long while now. This will be a portable Lanbox to take where needed. The following parts are:
NCASE M1 V1 case (bought this way back on first run)
Intel i7 6700k cpu
Noctua NH-U9S hsf
Asus Maximus Impact VIII mobo
Corsair Vengeance LXP 16GB RAM (32GB is overkill so no reason to waste money)
Corsair SF600 600w psu (early reviews look promising and 600w is more than plenty for future upgrades)
Samsung 850 1T SSD (had this one sitting around house unused)
EVGA GTX970 SC (rear blower model to tide me over till newer GPUs come out)
Windows 10 (Going to take the plunge)
Two Noctua 90mm SSO NF-A9 PMW fans (One for rear case and one for HSF)
Four Noctua NF-F12 PMW 120mm fans (Couldn't remember if I needed two or four so bought four lol)
Panasonic JU-265 (not bought yet)
Just a tad under $1400 from Newegg. They beat out Amazon in pricing and no sales tax either unlike Amazon.
Its not a crazy powerful build but a well respectable one. I considered a 5820 cpu build but I wasn't liking having only one mitx mobo choice and to be honest I don't need it since this is strictly for gaming and watching videos upon occasion. I also have a 4770k lying about but I'm going to put that into the wife's NCASE when I get around to it. I want something a little newer. I chose the NH-U9s HSF because I think it will work out best for this mobo however I am trying to get a Asetek 545lc unit and if I can score one I will try it first. I emailed Asetek about buying one directly from them since I can't find a new one anywhere as of today. I got a sneaking suspicion the NH-U9S with two fans and a rear 90mm case exhaust fan will be better since it can pull hot internal air out. But we'll see. I was going to instal W7, I have a copy lying about, but decided to test this new O/S MS has. Best to do it with a new install as opposed to upgrading IMHO. Fewer problems I believe. And plenty of 120mm fans to use if needed. If not they can be used in the next build. It'll be a week or two before I can get to building it but everything is on order except the blue-ray. I noticed they have some newer units out now so I need to look into that.
NCASE M1 V1 case (bought this way back on first run)
Intel i7 6700k cpu
Noctua NH-U9S hsf
Asus Maximus Impact VIII mobo
Corsair Vengeance LXP 16GB RAM (32GB is overkill so no reason to waste money)
Corsair SF600 600w psu (early reviews look promising and 600w is more than plenty for future upgrades)
Samsung 850 1T SSD (had this one sitting around house unused)
EVGA GTX970 SC (rear blower model to tide me over till newer GPUs come out)
Windows 10 (Going to take the plunge)
Two Noctua 90mm SSO NF-A9 PMW fans (One for rear case and one for HSF)
Four Noctua NF-F12 PMW 120mm fans (Couldn't remember if I needed two or four so bought four lol)
Panasonic JU-265 (not bought yet)
Just a tad under $1400 from Newegg. They beat out Amazon in pricing and no sales tax either unlike Amazon.
Its not a crazy powerful build but a well respectable one. I considered a 5820 cpu build but I wasn't liking having only one mitx mobo choice and to be honest I don't need it since this is strictly for gaming and watching videos upon occasion. I also have a 4770k lying about but I'm going to put that into the wife's NCASE when I get around to it. I want something a little newer. I chose the NH-U9s HSF because I think it will work out best for this mobo however I am trying to get a Asetek 545lc unit and if I can score one I will try it first. I emailed Asetek about buying one directly from them since I can't find a new one anywhere as of today. I got a sneaking suspicion the NH-U9S with two fans and a rear 90mm case exhaust fan will be better since it can pull hot internal air out. But we'll see. I was going to instal W7, I have a copy lying about, but decided to test this new O/S MS has. Best to do it with a new install as opposed to upgrading IMHO. Fewer problems I believe. And plenty of 120mm fans to use if needed. If not they can be used in the next build. It'll be a week or two before I can get to building it but everything is on order except the blue-ray. I noticed they have some newer units out now so I need to look into that.
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Wild, I'm sitting next to mine, same mainboard, CPU cooler, etc. I can't even hear the thing at 1m away. Now the PSU I can hear when it gets going.
What fan speed is your CPU cooler running at? Mine is at around 800 rpm.
Edit: Just reduced it to around 700 rpm with the ultra-silent-adapter. I cannot hear it anymore. The 2x GPU fans at 1300rpm are killing me though!!
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Issues:
1. SSDs not fitting in the front due to Corsair power cables.
SOLVED! (Fliping the SSDs so the power adapters are not above eachother).
1.a The front lid would close!
SOLVED! I ended up sticking the 2 SSDs inside the case on the rear side of the front panel. I am pretty sure that it is not possible getting 2 drives in the fron using the Corsair cables!
2. Second 140mm fan of my NH-C14 does not fit in the case floor next to another 120mm fan.
SOLVED! (Double sided tape keeps the 140mm fan in place. Seems secure enough and the case will not be moved a lot.
3. CPU fan speed control on the Asus Z170I PRO GAMING - I cannot set it to DC control....
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I am planning on buying a Noctua NF-A15 with PWC.
4. Gigabyte GTX 960 Windforce 2x OC never stops spinning...
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The card must go. I don't think it has a passive mode.
4.a Which ITX card can I fit?
I would like to get the EVGA GTX 960 SC but am worried it will not fit. It is 40mm thick. The Gigabyte is 36mm thick and almost touches the fans in the case floor. Any thoughts?
(EVGA - Products - EVGA GeForce GTX 960 SC GAMING - 02G-P4-2962-KR)
Here the clearance I have at the moment. I guess the 4mm extra should fit. For some reason the rear of the card needed a spaced between the case fan and the GPU card because the fan blades of the case started touch the rear of the card...
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