Teen Charged For Stealing Nude Photo From Teacher’s Phone

YeuEmMaiMai said:
that's because she KNEW there would be people that tried to blame her and she had to say something as an appeasement.....
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You wan't to claim my interpretation of her statement is wrong but your's is correct. Then we'll play lawyer;

"Objection, hearsay"

The Jury will disregard all interpretations of the defendant's statements regarding the "inappropriateness" of the photos in question.
 
lcpiper said:
Get off your high horse. I'm 56 my parents taught me as well as any.

The kid being wrong and committing theft has nothing at all to do with the Teacher being wrong of putting herself into a compromising position. It is not one or the other, it's both for different reasons.

Hell, you can't even understand my example.
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How was the teacher in the wrong? She had nude photos on her own personal property. That would be like keeping playboys in the trunk of your car and then having a student break into it, steal them, and then administration firing you. They were out of sight
 
Anyone read the article? She frequently gave her phone to her students to use, she didn't lock it, and she left nude pictures on her work phone.

If the genders were reversed, and a male teacher left pics of his dick on his phone and frequently handed that out to female students to use or left it out in the open unsupervised with no lock screen, and a girl saw the dick pic, we wouldn't go after the girl... we'd go after the teacher for being an idiot at minimum, and a plausible deniability exhibitionist at worst.

They also didn't fire her, like so many are saying, the school board did nothing. She decided to resign after the school suggested, rightfully so, that she's an idiot.
 
nvgrim said:
How was the teacher in the wrong? She had nude photos on her own personal property. That would be like keeping playboys in the trunk of your car and then having a student break into it, steal them, and then administration firing you. They were out of sight
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My arguments are already posted and quite clear. Many do not agree but that's the fun of having an opinion, read as much as interests you.
 
Ducman69 said:
Anyone read the article? She frequently gave her phone to her students to use, she didn't lock it, and she left nude pictures on her work phone.

If the genders were reversed, and a male teacher left pics of his dick on his phone and frequently handed that out to female students to use or left it out in the open unsupervised with no lock screen, and a girl saw the dick pic, we wouldn't go after the girl... we'd go after the teacher for being an idiot at minimum, and a plausible deniability exhibitionist at worst.

They also didn't fire her, like so many are saying, the school board did nothing. She decided to resign.
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Mark your calendars Ladies and Gents, today marks an occasion.

Ducman69, Zarathustra[H], and lcpiper are all in agreement on an issue. It won't happen again for another 5,000 years :notworthy:
 
lcpiper said:
My arguments are already posted and quite clear. Many do not agree but that's the fun of having an opinion, read as much as interests you.
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I did and your opinion makes no sense. Just because you think its morally wrong to have nude photos on your phone doesn't make it ok to get fired over it. Its her personal property and she can do whatever the hell she wants to on it and long as its legal. Which IIRC having nude photos of yourself is not illegal. Yeah its her fault for not locking it and she would have to live in that embarrassment forever but to get fired over it? Either way im sure she would have quit to avoid being ridiculed by everyone.
 
Ducman69 said:
Anyone read the article? She frequently gave her phone to her students to use, she didn't lock it, and she left nude pictures on her work phone.

If the genders were reversed, and a male teacher left pics of his dick on his phone and frequently handed that out to female students to use or left it out in the open unsupervised with no lock screen, and a girl saw the dick pic, we wouldn't go after the girl... we'd go after the teacher for being an idiot at minimum, and a plausible deniability exhibitionist at worst.

They also didn't fire her, like so many are saying, the school board did nothing. She decided to resign after the school suggested, rightfully so, that she's an idiot.
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so they were going to but she beat them to it, got it.
 
lcpiper said:
Mark your calendars Ladies and Gents, today marks an occasion.

Ducman69, Zarathustra[H], and lcpiper are all in agreement on an issue. It won't happen again for another 5,000 years :notworthy:
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Combined with the planetary alignment we just witnessed, a clear sign of the apocalypse. Rah, Krishna, Yahweh, he's been called many things over the eons, but he is here now, for us. The end is nigh...
 
Ducman69 said:
Anyone read the article? She frequently gave her phone to her students to use, she didn't lock it, and she left nude pictures on her work phone.
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If she gave the phone in this occasion the above could be argued, but if they didn't have permission to use it this time it is different.
 
nvgrim said:
I did and your opinion makes no sense. Just because you think its morally wrong to have nude photos on your phone doesn't make it ok to get fired over it. Its her personal property and she can do whatever the hell she wants to on it and long as its legal. Which IIRC having nude photos of yourself is not illegal. Yeah its her fault for not locking it and she would have to live in that embarrassment forever but to get fired over it? Either way im sure she would have quit to avoid being ridiculed by everyone.
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I didn't say "its morally wrong to have nude photos on your phone". Your putting words in my mouth making assumptions based on an incorrect interpretations of my comments.

I said she was wrong to put herself, and by extension the school, into a position of risk, ie, a compromising position, by leaving those pics on her phone in a way that allowed a student access to them.

You will not find the word "morally" or "morals" in my posts.

I also said the matter of whether she should be punished and how is up to the school, not me.

I also would be ready to place a healthy bet that the Teachers of Union High School have all signed Standards of Conduct agreements which list requirements of personal conduct which if violated could lead to termination, that in and of themselves, are not illegal. In other words, the law isn't the only line they have to toe.
 
Meeho said:
If she gave the phone in this occasion the above could be argued, but if they didn't have permission to use it this time it is different.
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Well, although we are having a blast arguing about it. It's not our discussion that will matter, it's the schools.

But as Ducman69 pointed out, she made that immaterial when she resigned and has since said she refuses to go back to work for them.
 
Clearly, can't tell that my post was meant for comedic purposes. *facepalm*
 
pothb said:
Clearly, can't tell that my post was meant for comedic purposes. *facepalm*
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Your post was a victim of association. I associated it with the others before it saying the same kinds of things so it received the same kind of response :oops:

Sorry I missed it.
 
It's cool, heat of the moment sort of thing, I get it. It happens to us all.
 
lcpiper said:
I didn't say "its morally wrong to have nude photos on your phone". Your putting words in my mouth making assumptions based on an incorrect interpretations of my comments.

I said she was wrong to put herself, and by extension the school, into a position of risk, ie, a compromising position, by leaving those pics on her phone in a way that allowed a student access to them.

You will not find the word "morally" or "morals" in my posts.
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If the pictures were not immoral, then what is compromising about them?
 
Ultima99 said:
Sure the kid is bad, guilty, and deserves punishment, but what she did is the equivalent of leaving your front door unlocked while you're not home and being surprised that someone went in and went through your shit.
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I still don'y get fired if somebody enter my house because i had it unlocked.
 
evilsofa said:
If the pictures were not immoral, then what is compromising about them?
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Is the School in the news over this?

Have their actions been in the news and questioned?

Was all this forced upon them, a mess they are now responsible for having to deal with?

I don't think the school should have asked the teacher to resign.

But I also don't think the school should have been forced to deal with this at all.

Just because shit happens doesn't mean it's always got to happen. Some shit can be stepped over when people use good judgement regarding their actions and choices.

The teacher didn't use good judgement and it doesn't take rocket science to figure it out.

Now you could argue that the school wasn't really in the media much until they asked her to resign and she quit, and the news claimed she was fired. You could argue this if it's accurate and that's the way it played out.

I have only now even considered this and I don't think anyone has brought the point up yet. Most of us think the school over-reacted, even the school seems to think so or they are at least playing that card because of outside reactions and pressure.

This is why I say the timeline of how and when things happened matters. The teacher or her husband finds the pics in her mailbox, she's surprised. They must have come from her phone, someone got them from her phone, it must have happened at school. One of the kids, maybe that kid, the one that said he was going to get me.

Call the cops ......

Maybe this is the real turning point. The point where the teacher should have given this more thought.

Maybe it is at this point that she should have gone to her boss and laid it out and asked for advice because this is not clear cut and it's not like her boss wasn't going to find out anyway so .... Going to your boss asking for help might work much better then calling the cops, a student being arrested, and then having it become a surprise for her boss and their boss.

Just possible.
 
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SvenBent said:
I still don'y get fired if somebody enter my house because i had it unlocked.
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She wasn't fired. They asked her to resign, she did. Now they have reconsidered and asked her back, and she's refused.

You are correct, you don't get fired if someone steals from your unlocked house.

The cops go after the theif, and your insurance company refuses to cover your losses because you were a dumbass ..... ummmm, showed poor judgement by not securing your home ;)
 
lcpiper said:
Is the School in the news over this?

Have their actions been in the news and questioned?

Was all this forced upon them, a mess they are now responsible for having to deal with?

I don't think the school should have asked the teacher to resign.

But I also don't think the school should have been forced to deal with this at all.
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The school wasn't forced to do anything. The school shouldn't have done anything to the teacher at all, except to have her back. The school compromised themselves by attempting to punish a victim of multiple felonies. That's why this is news. The teacher didn't embarrass or compromise the school. The school embarrassed and compromised itself and the teacher. If the school had done the right thing, this would have been local news only, possibly not making it beyond the police blotter.

Regarding the timeline you want, here it is as reported by Ars Technica:

"Interim Superintendent David Eubanks held Arthur responsible because her phone was unlocked. Eubanks told WSPA that the teacher may have contributed to the delinquency of a minor. As for the student, Eubanks told The State newspaper that he is unsure if any discipline will be forthcoming. Arthur was asked to either resign or face a disciplinary process that could lead to her being fired. Last week, she chose to resign."
 
person above me said:
Arthur was asked to either resign or face a disciplinary process that could lead to her being fired. Last week, she chose to resign
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She was effectively fired. Semantics at play here...
 
evilsofa said:
The school wasn't forced to do anything. The school shouldn't have done anything to the teacher at all, except to have her back. The school compromised themselves by attempting to punish a victim of multiple felonies. That's why this is news. The teacher didn't embarrass or compromise the school. The school embarrassed and compromised itself and the teacher. If the school had done the right thing, this would have been local news only, possibly not making it beyond the police blotter.

Regarding the timeline you want, here it is as reported by Ars Technica:

"Interim Superintendent David Eubanks held Arthur responsible because her phone was unlocked. Eubanks told WSPA that the teacher may have contributed to the delinquency of a minor. As for the student, Eubanks told The State newspaper that he is unsure if any discipline will be forthcoming. Arthur was asked to either resign or face a disciplinary process that could lead to her being fired. Last week, she chose to resign."
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Oh well, I have my opinion you have yours. And that article on Ars is not a timeline of events. It doesn't even mention who found out what when, in fact there is no when at all, not a single date or time printed.

But maybe this is something that will effect your position.

Arthur told local media that it's part of her job to monitor the hallway between classes. But Eubanks said some students said she was in an adjoining room at the time, and that's why her director told her to resign or be fired for failing to supervise her class.
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Eubanks is saying that she was screwing off instead of doing her job and that is why he asked her to resign.

Teacher loses job after student takes her phone, shares nude
 
YeuEmMaiMai said:
She was effectively fired. Semantics at play here...
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No, she was asked to resign and told that if she did not resign, that she would face administrative procedures that would result in her being fired.

This also means it might not have resulted in her being fired.

I didn't report it, I am just passing it on. If you want to read more into it or interpret it differently it's up to you. Just don't tell me I don't know how to read.

Ms. Arthur, a 13-year veteran, was “confronted with the information on Tuesday,” Mr. Eubanks said, and was told that she could either resign or face “due process procedures.” She resigned the next day from her job teaching mechanical and electrical engineering at the school’s vocational center.
Read more at Teacher resigns over nude pictures taken from phone
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Teacher resigns over nude pictures taken from phone
 
That definitely sounds like "fired" to me. It's the nice way of saying you're fired.
 
I work for a school district and more than likely a law suit will follow. They happen all the time or they at least settle and unions are usually involved. It wouldnt surprise me if the kids parents sue because the school allowed them to see naked photo!

But at minimum have a pattern/pin/password to unlock your phone. Jeezus.
 
Honor system, use my phone honor my privacy.
16 year old, invading privacy, copying and then posting photos. Nail the creep.
 
pothb said:
That definitely sounds like "fired" to me. It's the nice way of saying you're fired.
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There was a comment in one of the reports that made it sound more like a hearing then just straight up dismissal, but I can't find it and I have found too many that sound more like straight up dismissal so I think I have been wrong on this. I agree, quit or your fired looks accurate. In my looking I also found the official statement from the school which re-enforces this.



It is my understanding that one student has been charged with the crime of transmitting pornographic material using electronic media. The exact charges have not been provided to the school district by local police who have been involved with this incident from the start. The student will now also face possible expulsion from the school District.

It is truly unfortunate that a teacher charged with proper supervision and care of students failed to fulfill that responsibility in her classroom. Evidence indicates that Leigh Anne Arthur was not in her assigned position at the time of the incident. Evidence also indicates that she allowed students to use her personal cell phone on a regular and routine basis. Evidence also indicates that the phone was routinely left on her desk for student use and was never locked.

Ms. Arthur has used the media to transmit false information obviously intended for the purpose of deflecting the incident totally to students. The evidence available, points to the extent of her false statements.

Her failure to supervise her students along with allowing students routine access to her personal cell phone constitute an evident unfitness for Ms. Arthur to continue as a classroom teacher. We are not aware of charges that may be filed against Ms. Arthur. We do know that her failure to properly supervise students entrusted to her care will negatively impact the lives of students and their parents.
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South Carolina Student Arrested for Spreading Teacher’s Nude Photo from Her Phone - PINAC News
 
wtourist said:
Honor system, use my phone honor my privacy.
16 year old, invading privacy, copying and then posting photos. Nail the creep.
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School's point of view, teacher placed too much trust in a minor and wasn't providing sufficient supervision which allowed a situation to develop where a student is now being charged with crimes. The school has parents angry because their kid is being charged with crimes and not in school.

Kids are kids, they are not adults. You have to teach them to become adults but until they are adults you can not expect them to behave as adults. That means you have to expect them to do what kids do and you have to watch them and you must do all that is reasonable to limit the risks that they will bring trouble on themselves.

Now I don't like this, I wish it wasn't like this, but this is today's reality. And the reason is because people do not want to take personal responsibility for themselves or the conduct of their children. They do not want the school to discipline their children, etc etc.

I was raised better then this, I raised my kids better then this. But it doesn't change the reality of what the world has become. And as sad as that is, that's just the way it is.
 
Meeho said:
If I go to a shoddy neighborhood and leave my car unlocked and running while I take a walk I sure am to blame for being utterly stupid and allowing it to happen.
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I believe that this is actually illegal in a lot of municipalities.
 
He's 16 years old , old enough to know right from wrong - at 16 you could be working a job. If you hired him to work your cash register, and he stole all the cash out, is that your fault?
 
TwistedAegis said:
He's 16 years old , old enough to know right from wrong - at 16 you could be working a job. If you hired him to work your cash register, and he stole all the cash out, is that your fault?
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The teacher's job responsibilities are pretty clear as well. She is supposed to be in that classroom watching those kids not fucking off somewhere else. She claimed she was monitoring the hallway other kids told Eubanks she wasn't. If not doing your job doesn't warrant getting fired lying about it does.
 
30+ kids, even if you allow the kid to use the phone for some classroom reason, you expect her to be able to micromanage to that ability?

Again, in the cash register scenario, it's the owner's responsibility to monitor his business as well; if he has 30 employees, is it his responsibility to thus know what each employee is doing for every second of the day - if not, it's his fault if they raid the cash register, the warehouse, anything not nailed down?
 
You can paint all the scenarios you want to TwistedAegis, I didn't write the schools rules for governing teacher performance etc. It's the schools rules, if you think they are unreasonable then tell the people who wrote them and enforce them, don't argue it with me.

FFS you guys are obtuse. You act like if you get me to change my mind the stupid bitch will get her job back. Was she fucking you on the side?

All I have ever said is that she was wrong and exercised poor judgement. It's you guys that fail to accept that just maybe the school was justified in firing her .... allowing her to resign.

Sign a petition.

Take a poll.

But stop acting like I have any more to do with this then you do.

For a bunch of guys who hold your own opinions in such high regard you sure don't want to let me have mine.
 
lcpiper said:
You can paint all the scenarios you want to TwistedAegis, I didn't write the schools rules for governing teacher performance etc. It's the schools rules, if you think they are unreasonable then tell the people who wrote them and enforce them, don't argue it with me.

FFS you guys are obtuse. You act like if you get me to change my mind the stupid bitch will get her job back. Was she fucking you on the side?

All I have ever said is that she was wrong and exercised poor judgement. It's you guys that fail to accept that just maybe the school was justified in firing her .... allowing her to resign.

Sign a petition.

Take a poll.

But stop acting like I have any more to do with this then you do.

For a bunch of guys who hold your own opinions in such high regard you sure don't want to let me have mine.
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I think you have invested a little too much of yourself into this discussion. Take a break and unwind a little, sir. Come back when you are refreshed.
 
DocFaustus said:
I think you have invested a little too much of yourself into this discussion. Take a break and unwind a little, sir. Come back when you are refreshed.
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It's a discussion and as long as they wish to quote me and challenge me on documented facts I think I'll hang in there.

I have shown I am not above admitting I am incorrect when offered reasonable information to that fact as I did in post #147 above.
Teen Charged For Stealing Nude Photo From Teacher’s Phone

There was a comment in one of the reports that made it sound more like a hearing then just straight up dismissal, but I can't find it and I have found too many that sound more like straight up dismissal so I think I have been wrong on this. I agree, quit or your fired looks accurate.
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Followed closely in post #153 by this;
wow, he is determined to wear everyone down lol....
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So when I say "I didn't write the schools rules for governing teacher performance etc. It's the schools rules, if you think they are unreasonable then tell the people who wrote them and enforce them, don't argue it with me."

That is me saying I don't have anything "invested" in this. It's not my cause and it's not my crusade. Maybe you should take another look at who won't let what go.


These are also me DocFaustus, throughout this discussion all taken from different posts.
And that is my opinion, I bet I am not alone in that opinion even if you don't share it.

Again, I am not calling for action against her, not saying she should be fired, nothing at all. All I am saying is what I have said, that she was wrong and bares some fault in this.

My arguments are already posted and quite clear. Many do not agree but that's the fun of having an opinion, read as much as interests you.

I also said the matter of whether she should be punished and how is up to the school, not me.

Oh well, I have my opinion you have yours.

I didn't report it, I am just passing it on. If you want to read more into it or interpret it differently it's up to you. Just don't tell me I don't know how to read.

For a bunch of guys who hold your own opinions in such high regard you sure don't want to let me have mine.
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Is there a central theme to all this?
 
They've turned off the lights, I must go home now.

You'll get your wish anyway Doc, see ya all Monday.
 
Ultima99 said:
Teaches ME, EE, and Programming, but doesn't know to lock her phone?
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Having worked in a school environment at a younger age, I would lock a phone if leaving it around the class, when out.

That said, I have to disagree with your statement. I don't lock my phone, beyond the usual slide unlock gesture. Simply out of convenience and I'm not paranoid. If you want to look at all the random, boring photos, plus heaps of technical ones, to find the good ones girls have sent me, then go for gold d;
 
Why would anyone have a problem with a female teacher being naked, anyway? It would definitely get the attention of the students, LOL.

Well, in any case, it looks like she got busted with nude photos on her phone. She probably feels pretty exposed, and I think as far as her reputation, she's screwed.

Hopefully she wins the case... and although I don't think she'll ever work as a teacher again, she might have a career as a model or something. Because this is now going to be what she's known for, for better or worse.
 
Is there any other source that states that the teacher allows her students access to her phone? I have only heard the student who found the photos claim this. Has the teacher herself confirmed this?
 
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