Ultra HD Blu-ray Discs Probably Won’t Be Cracked For A While

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Well, that’s what this writer thinks based on the fact that DVDFab won’t decrypt or circumvent AACS 2.0. I say that it’ll be cracked within weeks.

The new Ultra HD Blu-ray standard, however, takes it up a notch. AACS 2.0 has a "basic" version that sounds quite similar to existing AACS, but also an "enhanced" version of DRM that requires the playback device to download the decryption key from the Internet. There might still be a hole in the AACS 2.0 crypto scheme that allows for UHD discs to be ripped, but presumably it'll be a lot tougher than its predecessors.
 
I'm betting nobody really cares. The adoption of Blu-ray by the public was pretty flat. Same with 4K TVs.
 
I definitely care. I already own 16 4K BDs and would love to put them on my NAS for distribution through my home.
 
"...playback device to download the decryption key..."
I'm not familiar with UHD Blu-ray. Does that mean to simply play the disc you need to be connected to the internet?
 
wow this will
Despotes said:
"...playback device to download the decryption key..."
I'm not familiar with UHD Blu-ray. Does that mean to simply play the disc you need to be connected to the internet?
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if it connects to the internet to download a key, it'll be cracked faster than a $2 whore getting on her knees
 
So... capture the decryption keys from the download stream and then host them locally... ohh, so hard.

And that should make it extremely easy to crack after doing that.
 
it has to be costing them more to do this than the piracy does. the pirates werent going to buy it anyway o_O and when Joe User cant play his disc because internet service is unavailable, too slow, distro servers for the decryption are being DDOS, etc, etc then what?
 
Seriously it is OFFLINE media!!! It's just utterly retarded that the format requires getting a key online to play the OFFLINE disc. Just cause everything can be connected to the internet does not mean people want it to be connected to the internet. If I need to connect to the net to watch, WTF would I bother with the disc rather than just stream it from a service? I buy the discs so I don't have to connect to the net, if I have to "authorize" via the net, then I am just renting it for as long as their servers stay running. They tried something similar to this before it was called DIVX, and it failed. I won't buy these discs or any player associated with them if they won't play the discs I purchased without the need to check if I can play it online.
 
Well 4K projectors are still very expensive. Im confident AACS 2.0 will be cracked before the price of 4K projectors become affordable. Im not that worried about it.
 
I bet they crack it before the discs even hit the streets.
 
Internet required to play my blu ray disc... get the fuck outta here. Who is the asshat that came up with that idea?
 
LurkerLito said:
Seriously it is OFFLINE media!!! It's just utterly retarded that the format requires getting a key online to play the OFFLINE disc. Just cause everything can be connected to the internet does not mean people want it to be connected to the internet.
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Exactly this. One of the main reasons to buy a disk is because you don't have internet access to stream the movie. We have friends who lives in a remote area with no internet or cell phone service. Their only choice is dial up (which is a toll call) or very expensive satellite. I also know a few people at work who have no internet service at home other than their cell phone.

The assumption that everyone would have internet access available every time they want to play one of these new disks is nonsense that will end badly.
I can see lots of players and disks being returned due to internet problems.

I would never buy a player or disks that require an internet connection to work. What's next? Your refrigerator won't work unless it's connected to the internet?
 
Is this Internet needed thing specific to UHD, or is it something that would be the case for standard BR disks? I'm not seeing much in a quick search about it. I finally bought a BR drive late last year and have a few movies now. Though I have the player hooked up to WIFI to try out the apps feature, out of principle I'd stop buying movies for the format if they push that level of encryption down to standard disks.
 
Have to say, for a small portion of a market that already isn't a runaway success by historical standards, something as heavy-handed as this is so counterproductive it's almost like they're trying to kill 4K physical media before it even catches on. Don't know why, it's not like we can all be streaming dozens of uncompressed 4K movies each month without ISPs getting all worked up. Count me definitely in the group that's not going to bother with making sure my movie discs can get to the Internet....Hell, I have some regular Blu-rays I don't even bother fussing with depending on my mood if the same thing happens to already be on Netflix or Prime, even only in SD.
 
We don't need to crack AACS 2.0, There are other way around it you know with a old school analog projector converter how ever you have to be happy with stereo sound.
My guest it going be a long time before any one is able crack decryption key for AACS 2.0 I heard that it multi layered key copy protection and I sure the a new audio water marks in to
The problem is getting enough consumers to avoid all Ultra HD Blu-ray abd TV it would put end to there BS.
 
Despotes said:
"...playback device to download the decryption key..."
I'm not familiar with UHD Blu-ray. Does that mean to simply play the disc you need to be connected to the internet?
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As long as your subscription is current you will be able to enjoy the latest offerings from Hollywood.

If your subscription DOES lapse for some reason, you WILL be investigated for possible illegal activity and dissidents. We all need to do our fair share.
 
Zepher said:
I bet they crack it before the discs even hit the streets.
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They have been on the streets for weeks.


Care to make another wager about other people? Like cinavia, this won't be cracked, maybe a workaround?
 
LurkerLito said:
Seriously it is OFFLINE media!!! It's just utterly retarded that the format requires getting a key online to play the OFFLINE disc. Just cause everything can be connected to the internet does not mean people want it to be connected to the internet. If I need to connect to the net to watch, WTF would I bother with the disc rather than just stream it from a service? I buy the discs so I don't have to connect to the net, if I have to "authorize" via the net, then I am just renting it for as long as their servers stay running. They tried something similar to this before it was called DIVX, and it failed. I won't buy these discs or any player associated with them if they won't play the discs I purchased without the need to check if I can play it online.
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Well most of the planet don't have internet access fast enough to stream 4k but they do have connections good enough to download a key.
 
B00nie said:
Well most of the planet don't have internet access fast enough to stream 4k but they do have connections good enough to download a key.
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I believe the Internet requirement is up to the studio to implement, and we are told that will be rare(think Oscar screeners)
 
As long as they still charge a premium for wireless on devices (maybe this has changed haven't shopped in a bit), most people will not hook up their BR to the internet. I doubt that the enhanced version will be used for anything but special edition boxed sets aimed at enthusiasts.
 
Verge said:
I believe the Internet requirement is up to the studio to implement, and we are told that will be rare(think Oscar screeners)
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I truly hope that no one does. Online copy protection has no place in offline media and a movie disc is about as offline as it gets! If this is forced on upcoming 4K UHD discs then this is worse than online-only XBone levels of bullshit. I had to do a double take when I read the news article because I could not believe my eyes.
 
How long before the online key retrieval becomes mandatory at random intervals?

How after that before all media usage info is required before the key retrieval works? For "Enhanced Customer Experience."

And then the ever popular enhanced security of 'Two factor authentication' using a special always running app on one of your other devices?
 
Dead Parrot said:
How long before the online key retrieval becomes mandatory at random intervals?

How after that before all media usage info is required before the key retrieval works? For "Enhanced Customer Experience."

And then the ever popular enhanced security of 'Two factor authentication' using a special always running app on one of your other devices?
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Hah! The old Ubisoft DRM from Assassins Creed II in a movie. Wouldn't that be a riot if your internet goes down in middle of the movie and the movie stops with an error message just before it gets to a good part. :D
 
jpm100 said:
As long as they still charge a premium for wireless on devices (maybe this has changed haven't shopped in a bit), most people will not hook up their BR to the internet. I doubt that the enhanced version will be used for anything but special edition boxed sets aimed at enthusiasts.
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You can't buy a Blu-ray player without wireless now. They only sell them with it now, unless you start searching the internet really hard to find somebody that has one on the shelf from 3+ years ago. All 4k players will have it built in from the start.
 
Hardcopy media is dead anyway. Why would I buy anything on a disc and wait weeks for delivery, when I can get it instantly over the net?
And I'm not advocating Streaming here, I hate that shit. It has no place in my home. I want simple downloadable content, that I can save on my own terms, and then play later at my own convenience, without the need of an online connection. And with the player of my choice, be it a media player box, or a PC, or a smartphone or whatever the heck I choose to play it on.

It's sad that currently the only way I can do this is by playing the system, to save the streams to my PC with various tricks and hacks that are getting harder every day. Or by leaving the hacking to someone else and downloading a copy of the drm free file (which is perfectly legal in my country before you start yelling pirate).
 
M76 said:
Hardcopy media is dead anyway. Why would I buy anything on a disc and wait weeks for delivery, when I can get it instantly over the net?
And I'm not advocating Streaming here, I hate that shit. It has no place in my home. I want simple downloadable content, that I can save on my own terms, and then play later at my own convenience, without the need of an online connection. And with the player of my choice, be it a media player box, or a PC, or a smartphone or whatever the heck I choose to play it on.

It's sad that currently the only way I can do this is by playing the system, to save the streams to my PC with various tricks and hacks that are getting harder every day. Or by leaving the hacking to someone else and downloading a copy of the drm free file (which is perfectly legal in my country before you start yelling pirate).
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It's still piracy even if your country condones it. :p Anyway, the rippers have to get that high-quality content from somewhere. If this ends up being a tough nut to crack, well, you won't be downloading any UHD content anytime soon, and that's what they want.
 
aeliusg said:
It's still piracy even if your country condones it. :p Anyway, the rippers have to get that high-quality content from somewhere. If this ends up being a tough nut to crack, well, you won't be downloading any UHD content anytime soon, and that's what they want.
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There is even a tax included in storage devices for this purpose. I already downloaded UHD content before.
Anyhow the movies I have on DVD and BR, I rather download them than to put the disc in a drive, so that's why I don't see myself buying discs anymore.
 
M76 said:
Hardcopy media is dead anyway. Why would I buy anything on a disc and wait weeks for delivery, when I can get it instantly over the net?
And I'm not advocating Streaming here, I hate that shit. It has no place in my home. I want simple downloadable content, that I can save on my own terms, and then play later at my own convenience, without the need of an online connection. And with the player of my choice, be it a media player box, or a PC, or a smartphone or whatever the heck I choose to play it on.

It's sad that currently the only way I can do this is by playing the system, to save the streams to my PC with various tricks and hacks that are getting harder every day. Or by leaving the hacking to someone else and downloading a copy of the drm free file (which is perfectly legal in my country before you start yelling pirate).
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Not sure about this waiting weeks thing. I get new releases within a day or two of coming out thanks to Amazon prime. Anyway, some of us still care about quality and about sound. I'll continue ripping disks to MKV so I can play in full uncompressed quality, with DTS-HD track instead of the Dolby Digital crap you might possibly get on some online sources.
 
Megalith said:
Well, that’s what this writer thinks based on the fact that DVDFab won’t decrypt or circumvent AACS 2.0. I say that it’ll be cracked within weeks.

The new Ultra HD Blu-ray standard, however, takes it up a notch. AACS 2.0 has a "basic" version that sounds quite similar to existing AACS, but also an "enhanced" version of DRM that requires the playback device to download the decryption key from the Internet. There might still be a hole in the AACS 2.0 crypto scheme that allows for UHD discs to be ripped, but presumably it'll be a lot tougher than its predecessors.
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The hackers will look for the government secret entrance, and reverse engineer from there.
 
Sufu said:
Not sure about this waiting weeks thing. I get new releases within a day or two of coming out thanks to Amazon prime. Anyway, some of us still care about quality and about sound. I'll continue ripping disks to MKV so I can play in full uncompressed quality, with DTS-HD track instead of the Dolby Digital crap you might possibly get on some online sources.
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I don't live in the US, delivery usually takes 1.5-2 weeks for me. And amazon prime is not even available, I can pay for expedited delivery, that takes 4-6 days. But the base postage fee is already huge, and it's not calculated on a per package or per order basis, they fucking charge per item. Even if all I ordered fits in a small box. So I only order things from amazon, that are very good deal and expensive enough to offset the delivery price, or things not available anywhere else.
 
Ugg.... If you have to be online to watch a movie, I'm out. I really wanted 4K and UHD discs. I can't support this. I'm not a pirate, I'm not a criminal. Quit treating me like one.

I REALLY hope it gets cracked, personally. Treat customers like criminals and they will become criminals.
 
M76 said:
There is even a tax included in storage devices for this purpose. I already downloaded UHD content before.
Anyhow the movies I have on DVD and BR, I rather download them than to put the disc in a drive, so that's why I don't see myself buying discs anymore.
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Interesting about the storage tax. Do you mind revealing what country? No problem if you don't.
 
aeliusg said:
Interesting about the storage tax. Do you mind revealing what country? No problem if you don't.
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Sure, it's Hungary, and here is the text explaining it from the website of the organization collecting the tax.

Private copying remuneration
According to the relevant European directives, member states may allow the private copying of copyrighted music, films, images and literary works. However, such freedom has a price, a “fair compensation”, which Hungary provides by imposing a lump-sum remuneration payable on the sale of blank video and audio carrier media.

This lump-sum remuneration is called the blank carrier media remuneration.
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It actually work like this. This organization manufactures holographic stickers, that the retailers must purchase and apply to every applicable storage device, before they can be put on the shelves. Including but not limited to SSDs, HDDs, Smartphones with internal memory, and so on.
And of course they add the price to retail so the end user ends up paying it.

Now the shady part of the whole thing is how the "tax" income is distributed among artists. You'd think it's paid by the actual popularity of the works. But no. First off in order for an artist to be eligible they need to sign up with the organization. So that means almost no revenue goes to foreign artists. The bulk of the income goes to a few select Hungarian artist who are close to the political elite. Another great chunk is misappropriated by the actual organization as functional expenses. And the rest can fight over what little quarry remains after that.
 
M76 said:
Sure, it's Hungary, and here is the text explaining it from the website of the organization collecting the tax.



It actually work like this. This organization manufactures holographic stickers, that the retailers must purchase and apply to every applicable storage device, before they can be put on the shelves. Including but not limited to SSDs, HDDs, Smartphones with internal memory, and so on.
And of course they add the price to retail so the end user ends up paying it.

Now the shady part of the whole thing is how the "tax" income is distributed among artists. You'd think it's paid by the actual popularity of the works. But no. First off in order for an artist to be eligible they need to sign up with the organization. So that means almost no revenue goes to foreign artists. The bulk of the income goes to a few select Hungarian artist who are close to the political elite. Another great chunk is misappropriated by the actual organization as functional expenses. And the rest can fight over what little quarry remains after that.
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Thanks! Fascinating system.
 
The MPAA and RIAA continue their holy war unrelenting in their crusade to push even bolder more absurd ways to punish consumers. I see this move as one that will damn the UHD Blu-Ray format to at best "niche" adoption by a relatively small segment of the market. The strategy of shackling emerging and future formats to increasingly restrictive and draconian "security" measures in a effort to convert or stop piracy (laugh) is a move all but certain to create even greater losses in "perceived Revenue" which is the prime directive of the MPAA and RIAA to prevent.
 
For me it really boils down to just this...... if I can't rip my disc to my NAS, I won't be buying. End of story.
 
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