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"because fuck you, that's why" is all I see here.
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Fallout 4 DLC Explained, Season Pass Price Increase Coming
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Well... That method does suck more. I agree with you. I would also prefer one SP at a higher price.
This is the point though. Why EVEN HAVE a Season Pass (which I think we can agree more or less means "I get all the DLC for one price") if they're going to move that price, season count, etc. around on you? What the fuck is the point then? Just don't have the Season Pass, and make all the DLC available individually, or in packs, and call it good! The whole point (at least in the first few games to use the Season Pass model) was to get people to buy it all at once, up front, for one price. If you're going to add more seasons, change the price, etc. that just seems a bit shady to me. I'm also not bitching about the overall price of the DLC. If you've got $49 worth of DLC, then charge $49. But why start charging $49, and then later say, "nah, I think we'll charge $80 for the same DLC, and tell everyone that it was introductory, and to hurry and buy it while they still graciously allow it at $49"
Does that not sound a lot worse than just having separate DLC or DLC packs at a solid price point?
Maybe I'm the only one that thinks this...
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Ugh, now I am worried they'll do the same with Doom. Very worried.
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No no no no.... "Because fuck you, that's why, but we'll be cool, and let you get it for the old price for two more weeks because we're so cool, and we value YOU as a long time fan. Don't you feel better about it now?"
imo this is sorta how it should be done... reward players for "pre-order" of dlc... price should increase closer to release date. Is this what could be happening?
Heck we should be getting a discount for pre-ordering games... I don't do it anymore because I don't get anything worth while. Extras are usually cosmetic trash or just early access to something that we probably should have access to from the get-go anyways. Give me $5 off to pre-order.
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That's the only reason I ever pre-order. Discount. It also has to be a game that I know enough about, know I'll buy it anyway etc. If there's no discount, there's no incentive not to wait until release or after for me. I certainly don't need PDFs, toys, art books, etc.
I never heard anything about this before now. If they did say something early on, I definitely missed it. I don't get the picture that it was an introductory price, just that they feel like raising it now. I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt it. That's the part I'm having a bit of trouble with. If they knew they were going to have a ton of content that would take a lot of time and resources to develop, they should have made better projections, and charged more up front. I'd have no problem at all with that. But just deciding they want to do that now, is kinda silly, and IMO opinion sets a precedent that shouldn't be set.
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They got your Nickle, now they want your Dime too.
You do realize you can buy games and not but their corresponding DLC right? DLC is in fact optional, so your comment doesn't really make senses on it's own.
Are you reading the same thread as the rest of us? People are complaining that they are raising the price from $20 up to the new higher price. However as he pointed out, if you want the pass then go buy it now and you get it for the old price. If you ignore the season pass now then you can pay for higher prices later or just buy everything separate. Those that are complaining have no real valid complaint as he is trying to point out. Imagine Lexus tomorrow said they were raising the cost of all their cars by $2000 come July. Unless you are buying a Lexus that change does effect you, so complaining about the price increase has no value other than a way for you to bitch about something. If you are buying a Lexus this year then buy it before July and you are ok. If you buy one later than you just have to deal with the change. Same here, If you want the season pass then buy it. If you don't own Fall Out 4 or you don't want to buy the season pass then complaining that they are doubling the content and doubling the price as a result has no merit as you are not complaining because it directly effects you, you are just bitching to bitch.
You are wrong in one very important part and I think that is what the issue is here. >>> "nah, I think we'll charge $80 for the same DLC" <<< Right there is your major flaw in your logic, that isn't what happen. They are adding more DLC and increasing the price. Originally there was 3 DLC packs planned. Automaton ($9.99), Wasteland Workshop ($4.99), Far Harbor ($24.99) So you were getting $40 worth of DLC for $25. Now that they are a few months into the development of these DLC packs they decided they wanted to add even more content and create a few more DLC packs. So instead of you getting the 3 DLC packs you might get 5 or 6 of them now (no actual number is know so I am just guessing about double). The game did a lot better than they assumed so they are trying to add as much to the game as they can, this is a plus for those of us who actually want to play the game. I personally was waiting to hear what the DLC was before buying this pass. Now that I know I will get a lot more content for my money I will gladly buy it before the end of the month.
Given that they are giving people advanced notice I consider it to be a much better solution as if you bought the season pass back when they assumed 3 items you now get all new items for free. I consider that much better than we decided that the game did well and we want to add new content so ignore the fact that our season pass cost you X amount for 3 DLC packs, we now want to do 6 packs so fork over another $20 for that. If you want the season pass you can buy it now and be set to get double the content. If you don't want the season pass then don't buy it and don't worry about not having the DLC or buy it all piece by piece.
The issue that everyone seems to overlook is that they are adding more DLC than they originally planned so going forward past a certain date they are going to charge more since they added more to their list of what you get.
You just aren't trying hard enough to make it make sense. The game also won't get socially awkward people that are 40 living in their parent's basement and who are unable to hold a job a girlfriend, reason not to get the game. Won't create world piece, reason not to get the game. Anything can be a reason not to get the game. Doesn't make it a good reason, but it still can be a reason.
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You just aren't trying hard enough to make it make sense. The game also won't get socially awkward people that are 40 living in their parent's basement and who are unable to hold a job a girlfriend, reason not to get the game. Won't create world piece, reason not to get the game. Anything can be a reason not to get the game. Doesn't make it a good reason, but it still can be a reason.
First... World PEACE... not piece, unless you're planning to destroy the world.
(sorry, not totally serious, but it's one of those things that catches my eye)Also, on your previous response to me, I didn't realize they were adding more DLC into the same season pass. In that case, I guess I would agree for the most part, that they are somewhat justified in this. As far as the game being more popular than they anticipated though? No. It's Bethesda, it's a Fallout game, and even though it's a slight departure from previous styles, they knew it would sell. You think Bethesda and Zenimax don't have a huge team of analysts that projected the sales given their previous successes, the franchise in question, and the current gaming climate? They probably had it nailed to the nearest million. In which case they should have just separated it all out, made a package deal for people that wanted all current DLC, or just initially charged more knowing that they'd probably end up adding more content. That's just my opinion. I'm sure not everyone agrees. My thoughts on this aren't that much different than reality, I just don't like their labeling, and the spin they put on it. They are definitely free to charge what they want, and now that I know they're adding more than they announced, it does make more sense.
My thoughts on the Season Pass still stand though. Instead of a price adjustment, and "graciously" allowing your customers two more weeks to buy it at the old price because your "appreciate" them, just don't offer a Season Pass in the first place. Sell individual DLC, and bundles that better describe the fact that there could be more later, and you're just buying what's announced now. Like I said though, it's probably just me.
I'm happy to pay for things I like or want. I just don't like the tone of this change exactly, and how it's labeled.collegeboy69us
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My fundamental problem with this season pass nonsense DLC this or that, is the fact that companies will have DLC on day one, baked right into the disc, but unless you cough up that extra 15-30-40 dollars, you can't get to it. Forza 4 was pretty guilty of this if I remember correctly.
Charging me more money for something I technically already paid for is shit, plain and simple. Personally I have no skin in the game when it comes to Fallout4 - if you want me to be honest I played it (don't ask me how) and uninstalled it after a few hours due to numerous bugs. They think that shit is worth 60-100 dollars? Suck it.
I'm interested in DOOM -- but the way things are going it will likely be a the same shit show. I have a huge nostalgic spot for it, playing Doom i and ii on my 33mhz machine with sound blaster? Holy crap golden age right there. Just gotta be smart enough to not fork over my money though till I know it's not just them milking the name like so many people love to do these days with games/movies. Interestingly enough the amazon prime pre-order deal is pretty spiffy, 20% off right out of the gate and I don't get charged till it ships? <3 Amazon.
Charging me more money for something I technically already paid for is shit, plain and simple. Personally I have no skin in the game when it comes to Fallout4 - if you want me to be honest I played it (don't ask me how) and uninstalled it after a few hours due to numerous bugs. They think that shit is worth 60-100 dollars? Suck it.
I'm interested in DOOM -- but the way things are going it will likely be a the same shit show. I have a huge nostalgic spot for it, playing Doom i and ii on my 33mhz machine with sound blaster? Holy crap golden age right there. Just gotta be smart enough to not fork over my money though till I know it's not just them milking the name like so many people love to do these days with games/movies. Interestingly enough the amazon prime pre-order deal is pretty spiffy, 20% off right out of the gate and I don't get charged till it ships? <3 Amazon.
Well, I was going to share that Newegg has a deal for Fallout 4 that includes the Season Pass for $59.99, but it appears that deal has expired. I hadn't picked up Fallout 4 yet, so it seemed like a good time to buy.
In regards to the many that are complaining about the impending price increase, this is actually a typical for media "subscriptions", which a season pass essentially is. When a subscription is popular, it often goes up in price. When it is less so, it comes down. We have grown accustomed to waiting out new releases for price drops, it's only fitting that the market would adapt to our buying habits to ensure they get the most profit.
In regards to the many that are complaining about the impending price increase, this is actually a typical for media "subscriptions", which a season pass essentially is. When a subscription is popular, it often goes up in price. When it is less so, it comes down. We have grown accustomed to waiting out new releases for price drops, it's only fitting that the market would adapt to our buying habits to ensure they get the most profit.
I haven't played the game yet. Have a few friends that have. They all say there is so much to do for the original $60. I can't see why people would pay $50 more for a very small fraction of the game compared to the release. Like most have said. I'll wait for the GOTY edition to go on sale...
How exactly is this any different than paying for a game and then paying for the inevitable expansions that would come out for that game before nickel and dime DLC became all the rage? No one complained about it then because you didn't have to buy the expansions. And you don't have to buy the season passes or DLC for games either. Fallout 4 is a huge game even if you never buy any of the DLC.
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Don't like it, don't buy it. I didn't realize something so simple is so difficult for people to understand.
I guess I'm not because I don't see anyone complaining that they actually spent $50...
Oh, but I do own it. So I have a right to ask a question. So are you bitching at an empty hole? Do you even own it yourself? Or just here to bitch about other bitchers?
By the way, I'm having fun with this.
Sometimes the simplest things are the hardest ones to grasp.
The way I see it, I saved 20 bones.
Good day!
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You're assuming a lot with that post. It IS simple, and I'm NOT buying it (at least until I know how much of it I want, and if that ends up being all of it then fine...) However, there is plenty to discuss here, and that's what people are doing. I don't see much actual bitching at all here. Just a lot of people complaining that people are bitching, when we're all discussing this price increase and its details in a fairly civilized manner.
I don't know if I just have more critical thinking skills than you, but when someone wants to change something mid-cycle, I tend to wonder why, and then I discuss it with like-minded individuals. I suppose if you don't like to question anything and just take (and pay for) what some mega-publisher puts in your bum then go right ahead. You have to understand, Bethesda and moreover Zenimax ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS. They are a business, and a very large one. I'm not saying that makes them inherently evil, and their studios DO need to get paid. But they happen to be one of the biggest champions, and spear-heads for nickel and dime tactics in the industry. Much of what we take for granted with DLC was invented by them.
I'm happy to pay for quality. I think I've said that numerous times now. And honestly Bethesda puts out some good and worthy content. However, "Don't like it, don't buy it" is a gross oversimplification. I agree with it as a general rule, but I would hope that we as customers can to a degree help shape the practices that these companies employ, and if we don't talk about it that's never going to happen. So anyone in this thread trying to get all us "whining, bitching, complaining" people to shut up and hand over our money can... fuck off I guess. If you want REAL whining, bitching, and complaining, go hit the Steam forums. All I see here is discussion.
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It's ok, man. Rest easy knowing we (and probably many others smarter than us) are on the same page. It's time to stop feeding the troll.
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You definitely don't have to agree with anyone. Doesn't mean it can't be discussed though.
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Exactly, Expansions are generally a thing of the past and DLC is the new mechanism to expand the games. Given the long development cycles of the Bethesda titles I don't have any problem with DLC since it allows the previous game to be kept fresh (even without all the user mods) until the next game is finally released. There are certainly companies that blatantly abuse the DLC process with Day 1 DLC, multiple seasons, etc but I would not put Bethesda into that class. Some of their DLC is more value added than others but most are nice additions to the game an never are they items that should have been included at launch.
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Using that superior critical thinking, maybe you can figure out what happens when nobody buys the $50-60 season passes anymore. If I like the game, I'll buy it, if not I won't. I don't care about all this greater good nonsense and what people think of my purchases.
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Then what are you doing in a thread where this is what is being discussed? That is confusing to me.
I also am in complete agreement with you on what could happen if nobody buys those high-priced passes. In fact, that is in part, what is being discussed in this thread. After I know what's in the high priced season pass, and what people think of it, I may even find it to be a good deal. Like I said Bethesda puts out some great expanded content for the most part. (even though they were also responsible for horse armor
)I also don't care too much about what you personally decide to do, as that's your business, but if you're going to come into a thread in a forum that's about the price increase of an existing DLC pack, and just post a one line sweeping statement about what people do or do not understand without providing any further discussion on the matter, what value exactly are you adding here? You're completely entitled to an opinion, but your attempt at invalidating the discussion with your oversimplified statement is just silly.
You just aren't trying hard enough to make it make sense. The game also won't get socially awkward people that are 40 living in their parent's basement and who are unable to hold a job a girlfriend, reason not to get the game. Won't create world piece, reason not to get the game. Anything can be a reason not to get the game. Doesn't make it a good reason, but it still can be a reason.
No I am really trying hard. My point is, a game's DLC and DLC's price isn't something that makes sense to decide on whether to buy the base game or not because the base game is in fact just the base game and not DLC. The game's price is, because that's what you'd have to pay to get the game, however DLC is optional. Therefore how is it relevant? The only thing I can think of is some form of OCD, but even that can be worked around by simply avoiding websites and storefronts that sell game add-ons. If that poster has severse OCD then it would make sense, but like I said the comment ON ITS OWN doesn't make any logical sense.
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Or... I don't know, that user might be interested in actually PLAYING said content, and not just collecting it. Then its price is highly relevant, and a drastic change in the price of said content with a short imposed time limit on the original price might incite some opinions and discussion. What is the big problem with that? Just like people could decide not to buy the DLC people are free to not read this thread.
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I don't see the problem. They decided they're going to make more DLC, so the seasons pass is going up in price to compensate for it. Those that already bought it are getting even more content than originally. Those that did not have an option to buy it right now for $30 and get even more content for the same price. Those that don't want to pay $50 for FO4 DLC can either wait for a price drop, or buy the DLC piece by piece and set their price ceiling to $30. They'll likely end up getting roughly the same amount of content originally planned for the seasons pass.
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It may not be a problem at all in the end, if the content is worth it. You're also correct in that one can wait for a drop or take a little gamble on it now. Since they are putting in more content it's probably worth the price if that content is good.
IMO just don't sell a Season Pass. If you are, set a price and leave it. Call it a gamble for the publisher as far as price setting goes. But keep the price for that product. It's really just semantics I realize. Just another way of labelling the product and its additions. If I bought a Season Pass to a sporting event I pay the same no matter how wellthe team performs, and they don't adjust the cost if a game goes into overtime or whatever. One price, one season whatever that season entails.
IMO just don't sell a Season Pass. If you are, set a price and leave it. Call it a gamble for the publisher as far as price setting goes. But keep the price for that product. It's really just semantics I realize. Just another way of labelling the product and its additions. If I bought a Season Pass to a sporting event I pay the same no matter how wellthe team performs, and they don't adjust the cost if a game goes into overtime or whatever. One price, one season whatever that season entails.
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Season passes tend to be cheaper overall, so I certainly like them. If you plan on buying all or most of the content it is a good deal.
I don't particularly have an issue with this, although it depends on how much content does finally get added to the SP. I can understand Beth's decision to go this way though, I watched Borderlands2 SP come down & all the bitching that went on when they added additional content outside their SP. People freaked over buying more content even though the SP was pretty clear how many DLCs would be in it. What I took away from the arguments was mostly "Season Pass means everything, no matter what they say is/is not included!"
This is a fight that content creators just can't win, because no matter how it's handled someone will be out there with pitchforks & burning oil.
This is a fight that content creators just can't win, because no matter how it's handled someone will be out there with pitchforks & burning oil.
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Yea I was okay with the season pass concept until we started getting into multiple seasons of dlc. Destiny was my first run in with that and being the first 'season' was so disappointing in quantity and quality of content I would rather just avoid that. Also by the next year of a game, I usually have moved on.
Thanks! Raising the price just makes me feel like the $25 will be a solid investment as the dlc for 3 and NV were quite extensive.Just bought the Season pass on greenmangaming.com used code
FEBURY-SVINGS-20PERC
got it for $24
just fyi for any one wanting to get the pass now
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I'm with you on bundling. The way I would do it though is have:
Individual DLC = Charge whatever each part is worth.
Bundled DLC = Discount for buying multiple DLC items.
Season Pass = All possible content for the game rolled into one DLC. (and probably call it something else because Season Pass doesn't really suit ANY of the possibilities for DLC unless you're talking yearly sports games...) Discounted, and solid price.
The DLC so far sounds poor at best. The prices are absurd to be kind. Bumping the season pass price seems ot be doubling down on it.
I've got the main game, and it's one of the few I think is worth the industry standard $60 they asked for it, but their DLC looks like ass.
I've got the main game, and it's one of the few I think is worth the industry standard $60 they asked for it, but their DLC looks like ass.
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Interesting. I really need to check it out, and see what it actually is. I've barely even started into the main game, so I haven't started looking at the DLC yet.