Nightmare build skylake questions

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So awhile back I got the itch to build a new system. Originally, just as a spare gaming pc, but once I got that up and running plans changed. Originally built Asrock Z710 Fatality ATX board. Forget exact model number, but the one that's about $120 at newegg. Board worked fine, beta bios for ocing i3 cpu worked well.

Stage II: SFF build
Figured I'd take the guts of that system since I liked it so much, and move it over to a SFF build. Ordered the Asrock Z710 Fatality itx board. Installed cpu, ram, and a SFF vid card(Saphire R380) and installed OS. All was fine in several days of testing and did some mild oc'ing, until I was satisfied the unit was stable. I put it back to stock settings at some point as my basement is cool in the winter and I didn't want it to overheat at work. AT this point, everything was fine, I replaced the test psu with a newer Thermal take Gold80 450W unit that was tested fine for weeks in another system I had been running at work. Plus I physically moved the cube from home to work. Well immediately on boot up I get weird corrupted patterns all over desktop and random icons online. 3D worked w/out problem, but computer had random lockups and wasn't stable anymore. I was still running stock frequencies in the SFF as I didn't trust the cooling yet and didn't see the need. On the older ATX board I had oc'd this cpu up to 4.4ghz gaming stable on the stock cooler.

Tried these to troubleshoot:
1) verify nothing overclocked, cpu/gpu/ram etc... all fine at stock
2) reinstall gpu drivers. No help
3) replace GPU with exchange unit. No change.... still corrupted graphics, random patterns, computer locking up.
4) Tried cpu, gpu, ram etc... back in old motherboard, but using same SSD... No change, corrupted areas at random on desktop and in web pages. Not 3d. computer still locking up, and does so more frequently making windows unusable.
5)Figure at this point it's the cpu. Never had that issue, but google search showed a few posts about odd issues on older i5/etc... cpus. Ordered i5 K series skylake. Cpu arrives.
6) reinstall everything back into SFF build. Boots fine, but corruptions there BUT not moving and or random anymore. Like someone painted graffiti. Reinstall of gpu drivers seemed to fix this for the little time it ran, maybe 2-3 reboots during various fiddling and usage through the day. After that the cpu/system NEVER posted again. I had shut it down to put the case back on, and when I went to post it again, it wouldn't post.
7) reinstall everything back into the full size ATX board. No post with i5 cpu. i3 cpu won't post either in board.
8) Try Gigabyte Z710 itx gaming5. Neither cpu posts bios. FML.... I realize the i3 could have possibly been damaged and or gone out due to the short oc'ing I did. It was running 100% fine and seemed to run cool while oc'd and ran low vcore as well due to running stock cooler. So I doubt it was the ocing' that did it in, but lets just say it was. WTF gives with the i5 skylake lasting less than a day, running STOCK clocks. I did have an intel stock 1155 cooler on there, but temps per programs were always under 70C during stress testing( cannot recall exactely, but I get worried in the 60's and it never really concerned me---so guessing mid/high 50's or low 60's), for the little that I did anyway prior to it stop running. That's why I tried the new board figuring my chances at 2 bad cpus were be about nill.

So now I don't know wtf to do. I suppose I'll break down and dig the full size Z710 down off the shelf and try to take some time to retest everything in there again, but last time both cpus failed to post, so I dread wasting the time to repeat the same result.

Thoughts?
Is something in my system killing cpus? I have built over 100 systems in my 20+ years in this hobby, and aside from a really really rare DOA or short lived cpu, I cannot ever recall having 2 cpus go bad in the same system in such a SHORT period of time. I suppose anything is possible. I was careful to observe static precautions, no mobo pins are bent, no ham fisting of anything done. Not to say I couldn't have done something, but for the life of me I cannot think of anything I could have done that would have cooked these cpus. CPUz, hardware monitor, coretemp programs all reported good temps, and vcore was what it was supposed to be AFAIK. In other words, everything seemed ok, with what I was checking.
 
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R380 has a min PSU rating of 750W.. time to upgrade...your PSU

You need to look at the amps more than the watts. I have 2 i5 systems here, one with an R9 280x and one with an R9 390. Both are running fine with Corsair CX600M psu's. Total amp output on that is 46 amps.

With that said I plan on upgrading them to a Seasonic 650 watt unit, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088

I will feel much better about longevity with a quality Seasonic than a cheap Corsair unit.
 
You need to look at the amps more than the watts. I have 2 i5 systems here, one with an R9 280x and one with an R9 390. Both are running fine with Corsair CX600M psu's. Total amp output on that is 46 amps.

With that said I plan on upgrading them to a Seasonic 650 watt unit, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088

I will feel much better about longevity with a quality Seasonic than a cheap Corsair unit.

Yeah that's good advice. OP can also look for an XFX powersupply since to my knowledge seasonic builds all of theirs. I'd check Jonnyguru.com for the specific review just to make sure, but newegg has been having some great deals on good units lately.
 
You need to look at the amps more than the watts. I have 2 i5 systems here, one with an R9 280x and one with an R9 390. Both are running fine with Corsair CX600M psu's. Total amp output on that is 46 amps.

With that said I plan on upgrading them to a Seasonic 650 watt unit, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088

I will feel much better about longevity with a quality Seasonic than a cheap Corsair unit.

no.... you need to follow AMD recommendations aka 750w minimum quality pau... you NEVER want to run semiconductors near or at their rated capacity... heat is a killer...
 
thx for the help guys. Tried my older PSU in there, took out the R380 and using onboard video now. No post with either cpu. The i3 6100 will spin the fans for about 15-20 seconds until the system shuts it self down, and then tries to restart again. The i5 6600k starts about 2-3 seconds before shutting fans down and attempting to restart. Both loop that start, shut down, start. No post ever tho. Like it's trying but can't quite post. Tried clearing cmos(new board though). No cpus have ever posted for me in this board, so I cannot say for sure this board Is good, but good grief what my luck would be. Late last night I tried the older full size ATX Z710 board and no post out of either cpu as well. Think both cpus are bad, but act a tiny bit different(see above description about post issue).

Also, I'm not saying any of you are wrong about the PSU ratings etc... However, I did use this exact same PSU for my old system this was to replace. I used it for a month with an older i5 [email protected], and an XFX R280X(oc'd to max, forget specs but typical R280X oc). Never had an issue. Again, not to say the PSU couldn't be it, but at this point I'm very much doubting that. Will get another to run in the future SFF when I get new parts to hopefully get this POS fixed, but good grief I almost feel like starting over as something is cursed in this build lol.
 
Check the pins on the motherboard very closely. You may have bent a pin on accident and now its frying stuff.

The chances of getting two bad Intel CPUs is extremely small.
 
Check the pins on the motherboard very closely. You may have bent a pin on accident and now its frying stuff.

The chances of getting two bad Intel CPUs is extremely small.

Yes I would start there.

Also, try the PSU in another computer to see if it works fine.

no.... you need to follow AMD recommendations aka 750w minimum quality pau... you NEVER want to run semiconductors near or at their rated capacity... heat is a killer...

Not to get into a pissing contest but....

Watt = Voltage * Amperage.

The power on the +12V rails is really the most important value.
 
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yeah it is and asking a 450W PSU to run at/over capacity is asinine... There is a reason for AMD recommendation and no offence, I trust them over some internet dude that stayed at a holiday inn express last night....:p (pun intended) that GPU isn't the only thing feeding off of the 12V rail....

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that gives you a lot more breathing room for proper operation vs that PSU he has in his machine

*picture is for a reference only, not an endorsement
 
Yes I would start there.


Not to get into a pissing contest but....

Watt = Voltage * Amperage.

The power on the +12V rails is really the most important value.

got to agree with this
 
I run two power supplies in my system piggy backed.

I have an AX1200 for my core system

I have an Antec TruePower Blue 750 watt just for GTX 980Ti

I have no power supply line issues in this configuration. A 450 watt is so underpowered for what you were trying to do.
 
yeah it is and asking a 450W PSU to run at/over capacity is asinine... There is a reason for AMD recommendation and no offence, I trust them over some internet dude that stayed at a holiday inn express last night....:p (pun intended) that GPU isn't the only thing feeding off of the 12V rail....

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that gives you a lot more breathing room for proper operation vs that PSU he has in his machine

*picture is for a reference only, not an endorsement
Do you want to start a bet? I'll go grab a good quality 450-500W PSU and install it in my system (5820k & 980 Ti), everything will be running at default. If my system fails to pass stress tests due to insufficient PSU, I'll ship you the PSU for free. If it passes stress test, I would like to have the money equivalent to the PSU invoice sent to me. How's that sound?:rolleyes:

Some people just can't read:
"...Well immediately on boot up I get weird corrupted patterns all over desktop and random icons online."
 
I doubt it is the PSU capacity - you will only hit the limit under high loads (though you should replace it with a higher capacity PSU). Maybe it is defective.
 
Do you want to start a bet? I'll go grab a good quality 450-500W PSU and install it in my system (5820k & 980 Ti), everything will be running at default. If my system fails to pass stress tests due to insufficient PSU, I'll ship you the PSU for free. If it passes stress test, I would like to have the money equivalent to the PSU invoice sent to me. How's that sound?:rolleyes:

Some people just can't read:
"...Well immediately on boot up I get weird corrupted patterns all over desktop and random icons online."

Good quality PSU and the one the OP is using are 2 different things.

The OP's PSU is a Sirfa HPM platform.

The 980ti has an amp draw of +\- 38 amps, 5820k @ stock +\- 11.7 amps.

If you run Unigine Heaven on your system with Prime 95 in the background with his PSU you are going to have an awesome reboot simulator. :)


He stated he ran this PSU on an i5 [email protected], and an XFX R280X(oc'd to max, forget specs but typical R280X oc).


The 2016 Corvette Z06 can run quarter-mile run in 11.4 seconds at 127 mph, but not all day, evert day.


Did the PSU fail and something with it? CPU/Motherboard/VGA? IDK, what I do know is I would have never tried what he did.
 
take a few pictures of the cpu socket and we can at least get a decent idea if you have any bent pins on the socket...then we can go from there
 
Good quality PSU and the one the OP is using are 2 different things.

The OP's PSU is a Sirfa HPM platform.

The 980ti has an amp draw of +\- 38 amps, 5820k @ stock +\- 11.7 amps.

If you run Unigine Heaven on your system with Prime 95 in the background with his PSU you are going to have an awesome reboot simulator. :)


He stated he ran this PSU on an i5 [email protected], and an XFX R280X(oc'd to max, forget specs but typical R280X oc).


The 2016 Corvette Z06 can run quarter-mile run in 11.4 seconds at 127 mph, but not all day, evert day.


Did the PSU fail and something with it? CPU/Motherboard/VGA? IDK, what I do know is I would have never tried what he did.
Sigh... You still can't read right? That system should boot into windows fine. Do you see the point?
 
Do you want to start a bet? I'll go grab a good quality 450-500W PSU and install it in my system (5820k & 980 Ti), everything will be running at default. If my system fails to pass stress tests due to insufficient PSU, I'll ship you the PSU for free. If it passes stress test, I would like to have the money equivalent to the PSU invoice sent to me. How's that sound?:rolleyes:

Some people just can't read:
"...Well immediately on boot up I get weird corrupted patterns all over desktop and random icons online."

I read it just fine and just like the other dude, I came to a reasonable conclusion that he needs a better PSU....

so you go a head and be a cheapo and use parts not up to the task... I'll continue to use parts that are rated for said operation....
 
I read it just fine and just like the other dude, I came to a reasonable conclusion that he needs a better PSU....

so you go a head and be a cheapo and use parts not up to the task... I'll continue to use parts that are rated for said operation....

Clearly... You're lack of critical thinking and cognitive skills. He might need a better PSU. However, the current PSU while might not be enough, should not cause weird issues while the PC is idling. Can you get that through your thick skull?
 
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Clearly... You're lack of critical thinking and cognitive skills. He might need a better PSU. However, the current PSU while might not be enough, should not cause weird issues while the PC is idle. Can you get that through your thick skull?

ah yes the one who *thinks* he knows everything right? You are very annoying to the rest of us that *actually do* know something.

you clearly have no idea what you are talking about here (just like the Subaru thread) so why don't you just move along and let the real techs help the OP.

Clearly the PSU is not up to the task as evidenced by his system not being stable even under light load....
 
ah yes the one who *thinks* he knows everything right? You are very annoying to the rest of us that *actually do* know something.

you clearly have no idea what you are talking about here (just like the Subaru thread) so why don't you just move along and let the real techs help the OP.

Clearly the PSU is not up to the task as evidenced by his system not being stable even under light load....

Yeah, the guy who *thinks* he knows everything had actually used 2 x Titan X SLI (returned after 2 weeks), 2 x GTX 980 SLI (actually bought and used for 6 months), 1 x R9 295X2 (returned after 2 weeks).... while the guy who *actually do* know something still hasn't actually used any of the high end graphics card :rolleyes:. It's always fun to read your posts with misinformed twisted facts & data, YeuEmMaiMai.

/Now, back to the bet, if you're thinking you're the guy with "actual knowledge" and know something, want to take that bet I mentioned above?
 
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Could we please get back on topic and help the OP.

There have only been 2 ideas posted as to what is wrong. One being the power supply was to weak for his build. That was my first guess because I had a system my kids rammed a pencil into it through the back stopping the fan from moving for god knows how long. The system exibited the same symptoms as the op is describing.

That is why it came to mind first.

The second idea is that there may be a bent pin in the cpu socket. I have never had this happen, IDK what kind of symptoms this can cause but I am sure it is not good.

If the socket is fine I would strip it down to the bare minimum, motherboard,cpu, 1 stick of ram and see what you get. swap ram to see if any will help it boot. If it doesn't you are going to need a new motherboard to try each cpu to see if that will boot in the same manner.

Those are the only ideas I have.
 
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Aside from the PSU being under powered (regardless of whether you judge it by watts or amps...), have you checked the voltages it's putting out with a multi-meter (software based reporting tools are notoriously inaccurate)? ATX specs are +/- 5% on the main rails.
12v should be between 11.4v and 12.6v,
5v should be between 4.75v and 5.25v,
3.3v should be between 3.14v and 3.46v.

Have you tried booting with just the onboard graphics, one memory stick, and nothing else?
 
op needs to take a video of what shows up on the display as the pc trys to boot up.
 
no.... you need to follow AMD recommendations aka 750w minimum quality pau... you NEVER want to run semiconductors near or at their rated capacity... heat is a killer...

Video card manufacturers do not recommend a minimum wattage on a high quality PSU. They simple recommend a minimum wattage which is usually way over the actual requirements for the GPU in order to cover a gamut of PSUs which have a huge range in quality.
 
Video card manufacturers do not recommend a minimum wattage on a high quality PSU. They simple recommend a minimum wattage which is usually way over the actual requirements for the GPU in order to cover a gamut of PSUs which have a huge range in quality.

if you are spending big $$ on a video card, it would be the assumption that one would get a decent PSU and not the $20 special at microcenter....

you're right they don't say quality but common sense goes a long way when making a PSU choice with a card that requires a fair amount of juice. and even that list does not show 450W as being acceptable for a 380....their min is 500W and they note single 12V rail
 
Yeah, the guy who *thinks* he knows everything had actually used 2 x Titan X SLI (returned after 2 weeks), 2 x GTX 980 SLI (actually bought and used for 6 months), 1 x R9 295X2 (returned after 2 weeks).... while the guy who *actually do* know something still hasn't actually used any of the high end graphics card :rolleyes:. It's always fun to read your posts with misinformed twisted facts & data, YeuEmMaiMai.

/Now, back to the bet, if you're thinking you're the guy with "actual knowledge" and know something, want to take that bet I mentioned above?

lol I have NEVER used Nvidia cars in my system builds so might want to get your facts straight before you comment any further...
 
if you are spending big $$ on a video card, it would be the assumption that one would get a decent PSU and not the $20 special at microcenter....

you're right they don't say quality but common sense goes a long way when making a PSU choice with a card that requires a fair amount of juice. and even that list does not show 450W as being acceptable for a 380....their min is 500W and they note single 12V rail

Never assume jack shit with regard to system configurations. I've seen plenty of people who didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground who bought hardware based on the advice of some clueless mouth breather, who has a family tree without very many forks in it. I've seen people try and shove $400-$500 video cards into $300 prebuilt systems using 150 watt power supplies.

I've been working on people's machines in various environments for nearly two decades. In that time I've seen nearly every kind of computer stupidity you've ever heard stories about and then some. I've seen people break CD drive trays with coffee mugs, I've seen earwax covered paper clips jammed into printers and CD-Roms shoved between the 5 1/4" bay covers in machines without CD drives. I've seen mouse corpses fused to expansion cards, roach infested Macintosh's, bullet holes in servers, $1,000+ CPUs on $65 motherboards, Linux on a Packard Bell and a list of other atrocities that would hit the character limit of a single post, were I to list them all.

When it comes to computer hardware, never assume any level of intelligence based on how much a piece of hardware costs. You will be disappointed nearly every time.
 
I agree with everything you said about the people.. I work on tons of stuff for a living and the level of stupidity does not even phase me anymore...
 
lol I have NEVER used Nvidia cars in my system builds so might want to get your facts straight before you comment any further...

I will get an R9 380 and a good 450W psu, install everything into my pc and test it. Are you happy now? Still want to play? This is your chance of getting a free PSU and hummiliate me in front of other people, bro.
 
I will get an R9 380 and a good 450W psu, install everything into my pc and test it. Are you happy now? Still want to play? This is your chance of getting a free PSU and hummiliate me in front of other people, bro.


I thought we were getting back on topic but I am mistaken. I have a novel idea.

Why not buy the 450 W of your choice and ship it to the OP. After stating that he used it on an i5 2500k OCed to 4600 Mhz and a 280X OCed, he ran the one he has way out of spec so he is going to need a new one down the road anyway.



Or you could just continue flaming with YeuEmMaiMai, but I wish you guys would start your own thread for that. Thanks in advance.
 
I thought we were getting back on topic but I am mistaken. I have a novel idea.

Why not buy the 450 W of your choice and ship it to the OP. After stating that he used it on an i5 2500k OCed to 4600 Mhz and a 280X OCed, he ran the one he has way out of spec so he is going to need a new one down the road anyway.

Or you could just continue flaming with YeuEmMaiMai, but I wish you guys would start your own thread for that. Thanks in advance.
Those psu calculator NEVER gives you the accurate result. Period.

This is H review of an R9 380 with a [email protected]. Even with the 380 OCed, power consumption at the wall is 338 W AC, which mean the whole system is pulling only around ~300 W DC assuming the PSU has 90% efficiency. And do you have reading problem? I AM NOT GIVING AWAY the PSU. The PSU is a reward for YeuEmMaiMai for enlightening me :rolleyes:.
 
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Do you want to start a bet? I'll go grab a good quality 450-500W PSU and install it in my system (5820k & 980 Ti), everything will be running at default. If my system fails to pass stress tests due to insufficient PSU, I'll ship you the PSU for free. If it passes stress test, I would like to have the money equivalent to the PSU invoice sent to me. How's that sound?:rolleyes:

Some people just can't read:
"...Well immediately on boot up I get weird corrupted patterns all over desktop and random icons online."

Sigh... You still can't read right? That system should boot into windows fine. Do you see the point?

Clearly... You're lack of critical thinking and cognitive skills. He might need a better PSU. However, the current PSU while might not be enough, should not cause weird issues while the PC is idling. Can you get that through your thick skull?

Yeah, the guy who *thinks* he knows everything had actually used 2 x Titan X SLI (returned after 2 weeks), 2 x GTX 980 SLI (actually bought and used for 6 months), 1 x R9 295X2 (returned after 2 weeks).... while the guy who *actually do* know something still hasn't actually used any of the high end graphics card :rolleyes:. It's always fun to read your posts with misinformed twisted facts & data, YeuEmMaiMai.

/Now, back to the bet, if you're thinking you're the guy with "actual knowledge" and know something, want to take that bet I mentioned above?

I will get an R9 380 and a good 450W psu, install everything into my pc and test it. Are you happy now? Still want to play? This is your chance of getting a free PSU and hummiliate me in front of other people, bro.

Those psu calculator NEVER gives you the accurate result. Period.

This is H review of an R9 380 with a [email protected]. Even with the 380 OCed, power consumption at the wall is 338 W AC, which mean the whole system is pulling only around ~300 W DC assuming the PSU has 90% efficiency. And do you have reading problem? I AM NOT GIVING AWAY the PSU. The PSU is a reward for YeuEmMaiMai for enlightening me :rolleyes:.

Some of us came in here to try and help the guy, you haven't offered one idea what it might be. The only thing you have stated is what it is not. I will come back to this thread in a month or so to see if he figured out what the problem was.

I am sorry OP for suggesting something so stupid as the power supply could have been the problem.
 
dude if you have nothing useful to contribute, please quit thread crapping and just leave.

You have any thing better than that? I just posted proof of a similar system consumes 338 W AC. Where's your proof that an R9 380 that actually need a 750 W PSU?
/You're also not a moderator so just stop acting like one.
 
Some people don't even have the decency to admit that they were wrong. Sigh.... adults nowadays. And one even called himself a technician.:rolleyes:
 
update: it was the cpu's. RMA'd the 6600k and got a new one, now everything works as normal. Stress testing is fine with current PSU. Thx for all your help.
 
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