Hateful Eight Producer Blames Google For Piracy

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Why hate on Google for not doing enough to stop piracy? The truth of the matter is that the internet is to blame. Without the internet, you can't download movies. Somebody should shut that internet thing down ASAP.

Google and YouTube have the ability to create a vaccine that could eradicate the disease of content theft. But to the millions of us who watch as our works are stolen over and over and over and over again, millions and millions of times, Google is at best offering us an aspirin, and at worst, ignoring the disease.
 
Budget: 62 mil.

Box office after 3 weekends, USA only: 50 mil.

WTF is his problem?
 
This is a techno idiot. He assumes Google can do something about it but choses not to even explore the idea that he is an absolute asshat. Well good luck convincing the world that Google is really at fault here.

Also, I thought Hateful 8 was extremely mediocre, NOT a good movie to see in the theater and is redbox rental quality.
 
Pirating is not a disease. I'd call it a "bad habit" that's easy to break if you simply make a decent movie... duh!
 
Yeah. Time for another executive order from Obama.

"Shut it down. Shut it all down !!!"
 
'Piracy': Terrible! A disease! Stealing their work!
Literally stealing their work (shoplifting): Meh, who cares?
 
Ok I'll say a couple things. The reason for the piracy is probably that it is ONLY available in one place.

Secondly I'd like to say that pirating is not necessarily a bad thing. I've pirated many pieces of software/movies in college which i ended up enjoying and when I got a job later in life went back and bought those items. I'd say I don't do it so often anymore, only when I get burned on Steam a lot. When i question the quality of something and want to try it out before buying the full item. But i've pretty much always went and bought a legitimate version if I enjoyed the content.
 
And further saying... These contents that I ended up buying, I most likely would have skipped rather than taken the chance on it being terrible quality or me not liking it, so pirating actually gained them a sale rather than losing it.
 
Yeah, it could me more, had they not sent the screened to some dumbass reviewer that got it leaked.
 
Tiburon1186 said:
And further saying... These contents that I ended up buying, I most likely would have skipped rather than taken the chance on it being terrible quality or me not liking it, so pirating actually gained them a sale rather than losing it.
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There hasn't ever been a 'try before you buy' model for films. It's either you paid to see it or you didn't. This is the issue. They way the industry sees it is that for any pair of eyes being laid on the film should equate to money in their pockets (of course not counting stuff like watching a movie at a friend's house or whatever..)
 
You want to apeace americans? just compare google to guns. Problem solved.
 
For me to have to deal with a nasty theater, obnoxious people, getting ripped off on snacks, and not even being able to pause the movie, it better be a pretty fucking epic movie. I was even on the fence about going to see Star Wars. Why would anyone bother seeing a movie like this in the theater?

Stop with the artificial 6+ month gap before movies are finally available outside the theater. The world has moved on since the 1950's.
 
Blame piracy instead of it being a horribly shitty movie. I recently watched Django on netflix, and while not amazing, it was still significantly better.

Hateful eight is a bunch of people at a cabin for 2 f'ing hours. Some of the better characters are killed off too early. It's purely a dialog heavy movie with the occasional gunshot. The dialog isn't even witty though. I expected more with the list of actors and Quentin's reputation, but I think the guy is out of material.
 
Trimlock said:
This is a techno idiot. He assumes Google can do something about it but choses not to even explore the idea that he is an absolute asshat. Well good luck convincing the world that Google is really at fault here.

Also, I thought Hateful 8 was extremely mediocre, NOT a good movie to see in the theater and is redbox rental quality.
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So it's a standard Quentin Tarantino film?
 
ashmelev75 said:
Yeah, it could me more, had they not sent the screened to some dumbass reviewer that got it leaked.
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I don't know why the academy still does things this way. Just put them in a private screening theater and watch the movie off an encrypted drive that allows 1 play just like normal. Instead they send a DVD with a watermark..
 
NickJames said:
I don't know why the academy still does things this way. Just put them in a private screening theater and watch the movie off an encrypted drive that allows 1 play just like normal. Instead they send a DVD with a watermark..
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Why do either. Why not just send out a code to do a streaming rental that limits the number of viewings.
 
bomni said:
Pirating is not a disease. I'd call it a "bad habit" that's easy to break if you simply make a decent movie... duh!
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Makes no sense. Most pirated movies are the popular ones.
 
raz-0 said:
Why do either. Why not just send out a code to do a streaming rental that limits the number of viewings.
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And send somebody out to set up the multimedia system. Seriously, the folks that get these screeners for review are barely competent enough to use a DVD player.
 
NickJames said:
I don't know why the academy still does things this way. Just put them in a private screening theater and watch the movie off an encrypted drive that allows 1 play just like normal. Instead they send a DVD with a watermark..
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Yeah, no way they saw that torrent coming!
 
What Google and other search engines are doing when they direct a user to those files is aiding and abetting criminal activity.
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Wow. I didnt know Google told me what to do!
Isn't this like saying that the "Anarchist's Cookbook" is responsible for a bomb that gets built and is used to kill people?

Oh yeah! These people have no understanding of personal responsibility. They just blame someone else.
 
ashmelev75 said:
Yeah, it could me more, had they not sent the screened to some dumbass reviewer that got it leaked.
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Because they KNOW 100% that it will be leaked. They bitch and complain, but it gets them more attention for the film. They lose some money from those watching a decent quality film at home vs. theater, but it's similar to paying for marketing. It's an investment. They still have to bitch and moan about it because legal shit. But, there is no way they can think it won't be pirated the way they are doing it.
 
Google has nothing to do with this. that's like blaming the library for showing you where a book is about making illegal fireworks. Shut down all the libraries!

So if it's Google's fault (lol), then they need to hit up every single search engine in existence. If they fail on contacting every single one for each instance, then it should be considered that they forfeit their right to their works since they aren't concerned.

But it's really the internet. They need to sue the owner of the internet.

But really it's people... and namely the ones who think when they spend 5 minutes to record a song that they get 60+ years of royalties.
 
You know what else could have quelled piracy a bit, not sending out DVD copies to every fucker with a SAG card just because you want everyone who could potentially vote for a precious award.

The vast majority of H8ful Eight piracy out there was NOT movie theater cams, it was DVD rips.
 
NickJames said:
I don't know why the academy still does things this way. Just put them in a private screening theater and watch the movie off an encrypted drive that allows 1 play just like normal. Instead they send a DVD with a watermark..
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Not everything is like this, I saw The Force Awakens for an academy screening in an actual theater at ILM/LucasArts studios
 
Trimlock said:
This is a techno idiot. He assumes Google can do something about it but choses not to even explore the idea that he is an absolute asshat. Well good luck convincing the world that Google is really at fault here.

Also, I thought Hateful 8 was extremely mediocre, NOT a good movie to see in the theater and is redbox rental quality.
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You seem like a nuanced and cultured film critic. So tell me Mark Kermode, share with the rest of us ignorant movie watchers, what the criteria is for a good film. Or better yet, to save you time and keyboard strokes, what was the last good movie you saw, and why...
 
Ski said:
You seem like a nuanced and cultured film critic. So tell me Mark Kermode, share with the rest of us ignorant movie watchers, what the criteria is for a good film. Or better yet, to save you time and keyboard strokes, what was the last good movie you saw, and why...
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He said "I though...", meaning his opinion. I didn't see him claim anything about being a film critic.... Maybe it just wasn't up to his standards. Maybe he expected more from Quentin. Maybe he had to take a shit during it.

I really liked Sicario. Lots of good drama and stuff. Just got me into the movie.
 
He brought up "Fair Use" because he knows that's why Google is resistant to simply blocking the content. Child pornography is illegal; there is no situation where it is legal, so it's fair to simply block it all. We can't trust the content owners to identify Fair Use, because to them, everything is piracy. Further, we can't convince them to listen because, as evidenced by this column, it's an emotional issue for them.

Media companies need to come to terms with the fact that they've done their job too well. Movies, music, TV; it's all part of our social interactions now. It's not just entertainment. People quote lines from movies, music, and TV shows as a form of communication, and others reply by quoting back. When this isn't sufficient to communicate their intent, they will post the scene, often hosted on Youtube, to explain the reference. Movie companies want these links taken away. They don't want people to understand the reference for free, they consider someone quoting the line to be advertising, and if you want to understand the reference, you need to watch the movie. They just want their dollar, they don't care that it's become part of our social interactions unless it makes money.

The fact is, there's piracy, which is the wholesale theft and redistribution of movies for profit, there's the gray area where someone views/listens to that media for their own use, and there's everything else, which is the social interaction portion of things. They've failed to understand the social and grey areas of their market, as evidenced by their automated DMCA takedown requests, and their failure to understand how people want to consume media. They just dig in their heels and think that by doing so, they can change reality. This column exemplifies that by lamenting the poor individuals who are not getting their fair wages due to piracy without recognizing that piracy has little to do with earnings. If they stopped piracy today, it would simply result in fewer views of their product, not a sudden influx of cash. If they want to make money, they need to offer their product in a way that consumers feel there is value. Why should someone pay for something that has less value than something they can download for free, after all?
 
raz-0 said:
So it's a standard Quentin Tarantino film?
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Yeah. It's your basic eclectic, dialog-heavy Tarantino flick.

If you enjoy that sorta thing (and I do, on occasion), it's all good.
If you don't, if you're ever given a decision between watching one and having your man parts removed with a chainsaw, it's gonna be a tough decision...
 
The problem in the specific case of this movie, and several other recent films, is they send out the DVD screeners as soon as they start lobbying and shmoozing for awards. The DVD screener for Hateful Eight was up before the movie was even out.
 
And, honestly, I think the whole "Roadshow" fiasco actually HURT the film, rather than helped it.

Then again, coming out against Star Wars is basically a poison pill while jumping off a skyscraper and falling on your sword then bouncing into a running chipper-shredder.
 
hardcase said:
And send somebody out to set up the multimedia system. Seriously, the folks that get these screeners for review are barely competent enough to use a DVD player.
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This is true, as I did all the AV setup for my dad while growing up, even as early as age 6 (ergo I didn't get to see 95% of the content lol)
 
I just scanned the article and it sounds like he's referring to videos on Youtube and It's hard to argue that there's a legit reason to upload an entire movie or an entire TV episode of a show to YouTube (unless it comes from the content provider).

That said, I think there's likely a lot of ridiculous take down notifications for videos (see Prince taking down some kid video that happened to have his song playing in the background).
 
Ur_Mom said:
Because they KNOW 100% that it will be leaked. They bitch and complain, but it gets them more attention for the film. They lose some money from those watching a decent quality film at home vs. theater, but it's similar to paying for marketing. It's an investment. They still have to bitch and moan about it because legal shit. But, there is no way they can think it won't be pirated the way they are doing it.
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Part of the problem, apparently, is that they have to send out the DVDs if they want a shot in the oscar race.

In this particular case, I question why they'd send out a screener before the movie went wide. Then again, you'd like to think that those that make their money from this business would have a vested in interest in not leaking movies.

Perhaps Oscar rules should disqualify any film that sends out screeners before 1/15.
 
What do you mean Hateful 8 was a shitty movie?!?! It's a Quentin Tarantino movie! He's a genius. Did you not see Kill Bill?!?! He can do no wrong!

/s
 
Chas said:
Then again, coming out against Star Wars is basically a poison pill while jumping off a skyscraper and falling on your sword then bouncing into a running chipper-shredder.
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This is damned bullshit and you know it. Chipmunks: Road Chip did excellent against the massive juggernaut. :D

Shameless Liar said:
What do you mean Hateful 8 was a shitty movie?!?! It's a Quentin Tarantino movie! He's a genius. Did you not see Kill Bill?!?! He can do no wrong!

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He makes some good movies, but just because he did a movie doesn't make it great....
 
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