T-Mobile To EFF: Who The F*(k Are You Anyway

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The Electronic Frontier Foundation asked John Legere about downgrading streaming video and he responded with "who the f*(k are you anyway EFF?" While I took that response as meaning "you have some nerve, who the f*(k are you anyway," most people on Twitter are reading it as he'd never heard of the EFF. What do you think?
 
He may have finally lashed out at the wrong target. His irreverent attitude's won him points with the type of crowed that likes the EFF since many of TM's policies have been beneficial (killing 2 year contracts, making ETFs less popular).

However, if he thinks that same crowd is going to give him a free pass on this issue, he's in for a rude awakening.

Twitter may know he actually recognizes the EFF, but decide to throw his own tactics back in his face.
 
He really should not have a camera that close to his face. Scary.
 
As a T-Mob convert (switched fam plan earlier this year to them, much better plans and lower bill) I'm pretty disappointed with his response to the "controversy". Besides insulting EFF, he seems to be of the opinion that automatic Opt-In features that change the quality of the video feed via throttling is an acceptable business move by a national telecom carrier (or any business, for that matter).

Making it Opt-In would not cause this kind of lashback. His being a jackass on Twitter, however, is making things worse.
 
"Allowing consumers to Opt-In" is what the last sentence above should start with.
 
You can always go on WiFi and BingeOn's function go away and you stream at normal quality? I don't see the problem here?
 
Yeah who the fuck is the eff any way's and who pays them? hahahaha Yes who pays them?????
 
efishta said:
As a T-Mob convert (switched fam plan earlier this year to them, much better plans and lower bill) I'm pretty disappointed with his response to the "controversy". Besides insulting EFF, he seems to be of the opinion that automatic Opt-In features that change the quality of the video feed via throttling is an acceptable business move by a national telecom carrier (or any business, for that matter).

Making it Opt-In would not cause this kind of lashback. His being a jackass on Twitter, however, is making things worse.
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I agree completely. If they simply marketed it as a feature you can opt in to and it would allow you to get unlimited streaming that doesn't count against your caps, I think people would praise it. I'd probably be inclined to turn it on just for the sake of being bandwidth friendly because you can likely picture out of that for phone usage. I'm not sure but I wonder if it also affects tethering? (Guessing it might) So if you were expecting high quality streaming to a bigger screen, that might be a problem unless you can turn it off.

JL6speed said:
You can always go on WiFi and BingeOn's function go away and you stream at normal quality? I don't see the problem here?
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The issue is that it's a lot like Comcast messing with bit torrent. It can help the network by slowing down unnecessary traffic, but it shouldn't be up to the ISP to determine whether or not it deems your traffic a priority. You're paying for that bandwidth and you should be able to use it however you want. If their intercepting your traffic and messing with it, that's a big issue because your service is being impacted. Currently right now you can argue well just turn it off if you don't want it. Except for when turning it off doesn't work, or the option to turn it off goes away.
 
Tmobile is giving people something people want and no one else offers, and all people want to do is bitch about it.

And you can opt out. Sheesh.
 
JL6speed said:
You can always go on WiFi and BingeOn's function go away and you stream at normal quality? I don't see the problem here?
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I am always amazed at people who end clear statements with question marks? It's like they're typing out a sentence where their voice goes up at the end in a vocal signal that you want feedback or a response? I hate that?
 
Stiletto said:
I am always amazed at people who end clear statements with question marks? It's like they're typing out a sentence where their voice goes up at the end in a vocal signal that you want feedback or a response? I hate that?
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I don't understand that?
 
Stiletto said:
I am always amazed at people who end clear statements with question marks? It's like they're typing out a sentence where their voice goes up at the end in a vocal signal that you want feedback or a response? I hate that?
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Ok?
 
Stiletto said:
I am always amazed at people who end clear statements with question marks? It's like they're typing out a sentence where their voice goes up at the end in a vocal signal that you want feedback or a response? I hate that?
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It's a sort of vocal Amirite.

Or the Canadian eh.
 
JL6speed said:
You can always go on WiFi and BingeOn's function go away and you stream at normal quality? I don't see the problem here?
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First of are you asking or telling?

Second allow me to explain! This forces everyone on the network to lower quality. Now people that have unlimited data or 10gb each line are still payiing for data but using much lower data prior to bingeon. T-mobile is throttling it's network across user base its a nice perk for everyone as they see it as free while tmobile is lowering quality across user base.

now a users that would normally use 10gb a month are probably using way way less, while its not counting against their data its giving tmobile a way to throttle and manage traffic on their network. I think at the end of the day they are benefiting from it. If I had a 10gb plan I would rather use 10gb first and then have binge on kick in for the rest of the month. T-mobile fed people free and made it opt out so people are already enrolled in to it and most probably don't even know. It's a brilliant way to streamline traffic until FCC cracksdown on this I doubt Tmobile does anything.

I would rather have it opt in and even if it is opt out make it so I use my data first and then binge on kicks in but doing that tmobile is on the losing end.
 
TechLarry said:
Tmobile is giving people something people want and no one else offers, and all people want to do is bitch about it.

And you can opt out. Sheesh.
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Nice troll-try.

But most people would prefer the Beatles poured down their throats, not U2.
 
I really hate this guy. That being said; I used T-mo's service and my cell phone bill is only $30 per month (for 5GB of data and 100 minutes of talk I never use).. so I guess I don't hate him that much.
 
I dont hate him enough to change. It's not like the other carriers think differently.

My t mobile phone is actually under my brother-in-law's name, some sort of family plan that is super cheap.
I just give my sister $500 cash and tell her to let me know when she needs more.
 
Freaking love Legere. I know it's mostly marketing stuff, but as a T-Mo customer, who takes advantage of the programs he's implemented, like not paying for your phone after you've paid it off, Music Freedom and BingeOn, he comes across as the kind of CEO who wants to grow his company by completely embarrassing his competitors with better products, services and CS (which, the few times I've had to deal with them have been AMAZING).
And I hate the EFF 99% of the time, so he's got my support re his comments.
 
Steve said:
The Electronic Frontier Foundation asked John Legere about downgrading streaming video and he responded with "who the f*(k are you anyway EFF?" While I took that response as meaning "you have some nerve, who the f*(k are you anyway," most people on Twitter are reading it as he'd never heard of the EFF. What do you think?
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I'm good with it.
 
Not all of us are so blase about forfeiting our rights.

If that makes us crazy I wear it as a badge of honor.
 
I use tmobile. It's really hard to beat getting 4 lines for about 140$ with 6 gigs data. If i look at even sprint it would probably cost me close to 150. Verizon, forget about it.
That being said, it's a kind of bitter experience having a CEO be clueless about certain things.
Binge on is an opt out program. By default it's enabled on even prepaid accounts. What's the worst part is that they lied about it. Mobile optimizations my ass, it's throttling based on the content flag. It's something they shouldn't be doing, or if they do they need to be clearly up front about what they're doing. I don't buy that it's just market speech. They're also throttling video sites that are counted against your data and not telling you about it. It needs some tweaking basically to be an opt in program with maybe an option readily available on their tmobile app that can be toggled on the phone itself as well as limited to their partners.

Thankfully, i don't give a rat's ass about how a CEO embarasses the entire company. That's up to the board of directors.
He also went on a nutty rampage calling the people at xda thieves for using their own tethering software/rooting phones a few months back.
 
Thing is, as an owner of a GS6 on TMo, I didn't notice a quality difference before or after, whether it's on the companies that have signed up for BingeOn, or Youtube.
 
Hypergreatthing said:
I use tmobile. It's really hard to beat getting 4 lines for about 140$ with 6 gigs data. If i look at even sprint it would probably cost me close to 150. Verizon, forget about it.
That being said, it's a kind of bitter experience having a CEO be clueless about certain things.
Binge on is an opt out program. By default it's enabled on even prepaid accounts. What's the worst part is that they lied about it. Mobile optimizations my ass, it's throttling based on the content flag. It's something they shouldn't be doing, or if they do they need to be clearly up front about what they're doing. I don't buy that it's just market speech. They're also throttling video sites that are counted against your data and not telling you about it. It needs some tweaking basically to be an opt in program with maybe an option readily available on their tmobile app that can be toggled on the phone itself as well as limited to their partners.

Thankfully, i don't give a rat's ass about how a CEO embarasses the entire company. That's up to the board of directors.
He also went on a nutty rampage calling the people at xda thieves for using their own tethering software/rooting phones a few months back.
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I am paying $132 for two lines @ 6 Gigs shared, each line isn't that much more, your talking $20 to $30 dollars difference. Now if service were identical it would be a simple numbers game, but Verizon is the only carrier with reliable service here on the base where I work so the choice is simple, spend the extra cause at least it works.
 
lcpiper said:
I am paying $132 for two lines @ 6 Gigs shared, each line isn't that much more, your talking $20 to $30 dollars difference. Now if service were identical it would be a simple numbers game, but Verizon is the only carrier with reliable service here on the base where I work so the choice is simple, spend the extra cause at least it works.
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That 30$ more comes out to at least 190ish with 4 lines. That is a fairly big difference. Gotta think of it as per year costs since it's reoccuring every month. 60$ a month extra is 720$ a year, which could get you a really nice agp video card.
I have a verizon phone from work with unlimited 4g. I really don't see much of a difference when it comes to connectivity. Then again i suppose it differs from area to area.
 
lcpiper said:
If you want to believe these self important nutbags are doing things in our best interest it's fine with me.

I just think it's a home for unemployed lawyers desperate to make a name for themselves :eek:
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I can't speak for phones, but the EFF has done more to allow games to be legally preserved than pretty much any organization. They're basically the only force trying to push back against losing rights online.
 
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