New Samsung 4k for everyone.

installed 1440 fw on my ju6700 and it sped up my input switching when I don't have signal on one of the inputs.. used to take forever, the tv would need to say "no signal" then I hit source and wait.. then finally I could change to say HDMI2 for the PS4 (when HDHM1 is the PC and was off).

So that's nice. Haven't noticed anything else.
 
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Speaking of... I just got home from a brief trip and upon turning on my JS9000 was notified that there is a new firmware update available. Lol. 1440.

Always somewhat hesitant but the last few haven't broken anything or made any noticeable differences one way or another, so I'll probably go ahead and do it tonight.
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You're one of the longest standing owners in the thread. Have any of the newer firmware updates drastically changed the JS9000 since the early firmwares? The last one I ran was 1217. I returned that TV, but am getting another one. I doubt it'll come with any older firmware such as that, so I'm curious how that's looking. I know some of the early updates many months ago nuked input lag (in a bad way) for a week or 2 - don't want to have this TV again and it be useless if it's a laggy mess. FWIW, I never had an issue with game mode, or even PC mode back then. Even AMP for me was playable, but in the early firmwares (1201 or so) it was actually accessible with game mode still enabled which led me to believe it had lower lag times compared to normal TV mode.
 
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You're one of the longest standing owners in the thread. Have any of the newer firmware updates drastically changed the JS9000 since the early firmwares? The last one I ran was 1217. I returned that TV, but am getting another one. I doubt it'll come with any older firmware such as that, so I'm curious how that's looking. I know some of the early updates many months ago nuked input lag (in a bad way) for a week or 2 - don't want to have this TV again and it be useless if it's a laggy mess. FWIW, I never had an issue with game mode, or even PC mode back then. Even AMP for me was playable, but in the early firmwares (1201 or so) it was actually accessible with game mode still enabled which led me to believe it had lower lag times compared to normal TV mode.
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I haven't noticed any big differences in the recent ones, no. I don't think they really changed how the TV functions so much as speeding up menu response and probably fixing little bugs here and there. I do know that I was scared that input lag would increase after 1217, but again, no discernible difference there either. I'm using Game mode right now with AMP off and the cursor feels very light, crisp and responsive. So worry not about the lag.

I definitely notice the mouse sluggishness with AMP on when using the desktop, and it causes the mouse to feel heavy and inaccurate, but oddly I don't mind it when playing games. The smoother motion is intoxicating and strangely enough I seem to adapt pretty quickly to the added lag so it doesn't feel like I'm playing with a penalty (that may be different in some type of puzzle game where you have to click all over the screen on tiny objects, but I've played a bunch of FPS with AMP and it doesn't bother me at all).
 
So I am debating between a 48" Samsung or getting a x34 predator ultra wide.

I currently have 3x Dell 3007WFP's and generally just use the center monitor for gaming since I hate the bezels. I loved them in portrait surround but again the bezels hiding text annoyed me.

Thoughts or recommendations?
 
I've gone from dual 27" 1440p to 34" ultra wide (the dell) for some time now and have been closely watching the 40+ inch 4k tv scene to see if this makes sense. Anyone come from a 34 inch widescreen to one of these setups?
 
friscomgm said:
Anyone come from a 34 inch widescreen to one of these setups?
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Yes, and like I've said before, I'd never go back. 40"+ 4K is where it's at. But that's my opinion and may not represent everyone. The Acer Predator is going to offer a faster/smoother gaming experience but to me a large 4K offers much greater immersion and the extra vertical resolution compared to the 34" panels is so welcome/useful on the desktop.
 
If you are planning only to use the monitor for UWide setup, then the x34 might make sense. But otherwise a 4K 40 in screen is better.

I actually would like someone to come up with a 16:10 3840 x 2400 screen maybe in 32 to 35 inch size.... I still like my HP 3065 for that reason...
 
currently leaning towards the JS9000 but also need to update my cards once the new Nvidia's come out this year.

48" screen defiantly sounds better then 34" wide though
 
Ziran said:
The 2016 4k Samsung TVs were unveiled at CES:

http://www.wired.com/2016/01/samsungs-sleek-flagship-tv-can-control-your-home/
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So far the KS9500 and KS8500 are only 65+ inches.

The JS7000 series is coming back again, updated, but who knows if it'll be decent, and it's flat. I was hoping for a potential upgrade from these sets for 2016 - doesn't seem like that'll be the case unless you want a giant TV.

I doubt LG has improved their input lag for the new OLEDs, and they'll probably be really expensive anyway. If Vizio can come through this year with 4:4:4, they might be the new winners given their input lag figures and full array backlighting, even on the cheaper models.
 
I am considering either the Samsung 55" JS9000 or an LG oled 55" EG9600 as my next monitor/TV. Would it be safe to say that the higher price of the LG is the primary reason many are picking up the 55" JS9000 instead of the LG oled (seems like it on these forums)?

The reason I ask is that at least on http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/55-inch/best the LG oled got decent ratings for video games (not sure how reputable the site is), and input lag doesn't seem too bad overall. Although the JS9000 and JU7500 are obviously better input lag wise, a major point for me is that I actually don't play FPS, mainly RPGs.
 
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I am considering either the Samsung 55" JS9000 or an LG oled 55" EG9600 as my next monitor/TV. Would it be safe to say that the higher price of the LG is the primary reason many are picking up the 55" JS9000 instead of the LG oled (seems like it on these forums).

The reason I ask is that at least on http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/55-inch/best the LG oled got decent ratings for video games (not sure how reputable the site is), and input lag doesn't seem too bad overall. Although the JS9000 and JU7500 are obviously better input lag wise, a major point for me is that I actually don't play FPS, mainly RPGs.
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The input lag on the LG is pretty bad for FPS, but if you are playing slower paced games it shouldn't be a problem. I know what ~50ms feels like and I wouldn't have an issue with it for RPGs personally.

The lag on the Samsung is less than half that of the LG - albeit in Game mode which is not full chroma. If comparing 4:4:4 (full chroma) the two are about the same.

I would go with the OLED in your case.
 
x3sphere said:
The input lag on the LG is pretty bad for FPS, but if you are playing slower paced games it shouldn't be a problem. I know what ~50ms feels like and I wouldn't have an issue with it for RPGs personally.

The lag on the Samsung is less than half that of the LG - albeit in Game mode which is not full chroma. If comparing 4:4:4 (full chroma) the two are about the same.

I would go with the OLED in your case.
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OK, thanks for the info! I will be watching a good amount of movies on the TV as well, so I have to consider both pros/cons for video games and movies.

The only other concern I have with the OLED is image retention since I also play a ton of old school type RPGs with a lot of static images (also with the Windows 10 desktop always at the forefront). But it doesn't seem to be anymore of a problem than plasma used to be from what I gather.
 
csbear said:
I am considering either the Samsung 55" JS9000 or an LG oled 55" EG9600 as my next monitor/TV. Would it be safe to say that the higher price of the LG is the primary reason many are picking up the 55" JS9000 instead of the LG oled (seems like it on these forums)?

The reason I ask is that at least on http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/55-inch/best the LG oled got decent ratings for video games (not sure how reputable the site is), and input lag doesn't seem too bad overall. Although the JS9000 and JU7500 are obviously better input lag wise, a major point for me is that I actually don't play FPS, mainly RPGs.
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OK, thanks for the info! I will be watching a good amount of movies on the TV as well, so I have to consider both pros/cons for video games and movies.

The only other concern I have with the OLED is image retention since I also play a ton of old school type RPGs with a lot of static images (also with the Windows 10 desktop always at the forefront). But it doesn't seem to be anymore of a problem than plasma used to be from what I gather.
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I have owned the Samsung JU7500 and JS9000, and the LG OLED EC9300, and EG9600. I have used each of these TV's for at least a few weeks. I currently own the EG9600 (and have for a few months), but am more than likely having LG buy it back from me a second time and am getting another JS9000 - allow me to elaborate.

In regards to my experience with the EG9600, I originally purchased the TV from BestBuy in August, exchanged it for 2 more TV's due to dead pixels, and then had the panel replaced 2 times by LG due to the vignetting/dark panel edge issue on dark content (night scenes particularly), which is WELL talked about on the web. Basically, the sides of the TV go to full black long before they are supposed to due to a design flaw. On a fullscreen 5% grayscale, you will find the left and right sides being black, and vertical banding across the entire panel. LG has tried fixing this for months. I was told by the RMA supervisor in VIP care they FINALLY fixed the issue with new panels as of last week - but I'm not taking the gamble again for a replacement, so I got approved for another buy-back.

The biggest concern is the input lag. I tried lying to myself and saying it wasn't a big deal, that it was worth the trade off for the picture quality. And for the most part, I wasn't wrong. I've enjoying using this TV quite a bit even for FPS gaming. But there are times where I get pissed - really pissed - because enemies are getting 2+ frames advantage on me where I get killed because of it. The further muddied mouse movement is enough to drive you insane as well wherever v-sync is enabled (desktop). But even without v-sync, it's far from perfect. Compared to the Samsung TV's, or a PC monitor without the added input lag, it is a night and day difference. I know you said you play RPG's, and if that's seriously it, then you may be okay - just be aware that regardless of what you're doing, you're going to notice that damn mouse hesitation. You get used to it eventually, but it will rear its ugly head 24/7 no matter what. I tried contacting LG about it, since the pixel response time of <1ms would make this TV a gamer's dream, but they either don't give a damn or it's impossible to speak with the right people.

Sitting between 2 and 3 feet away of 55" is somewhat challenging too, so the further you can place it, the better. It's not impossible, but it's awkward. The corners are really far away, and I have to look up doing desktop work due to my desk height with the stand. My eyes are centered on the screen where I sit, so gaming is mostly okay. The pixel arrangement and TV size also pronounces a lower sharpness effect at times. Since there are 4 pixels, instead of 3, sometimes the gap between those pixels shows itself badly if you look close enough. You end up with almost a shadow of that pixel, or pixels, that is sticking out from the rest of the pack, and I can see the colored sub-pixels when looking closely. I don't notice it too often, but when I do, it looks really weird. Sharpness on 4K at this size is also nowhere to be found. You have less PPI than a 24" 1080p monitor, unless you sit far away. Just something to keep in mind. I will say though, that games are pretty lifelike. The bezels disappear when you focus on the screen, and it is just gorgeous to look at. Where I sit, it's almost like VR in a way. Everything is sized life-like when I'm looking at the screen from this distance, so it can make for a pretty awesome experience. Also, it has this thing called ABL (auto brightness limiter). The brighter the content, and the more screen real estate it takes up, the dimmer the screen gets. This is due to the way OLED tech currently is, and it is built-in and cannot be disabled so the panel doesn't blow itself up I guess.

I was tempted to keep the EG9600 for purely TV purposes, because it is a gorgeous display with a fantastic minimalistic design. I paid $2074 for mine, which is still a lot less than you'll find right now. And I just don't think it's worth it with the QA issues, and it being a first-gen product. LG just announced new OLED TV's at CES. My suggestion? Wait for those, because you'll regret it if you don't. They're going to blow the current OLED's out of the water.

Picking the Samsung back up again, I am going to miss the perfect viewing angles and contrast. But, I will gain back the low input lag, and the ability to use 120 Hz interpolation (a big deal) at the same input lag levels as the LG OLED's by default (numbers say otherwise, but from what I felt the lag was the same). LCD panels also have ghosting, which the OLED does not, and the bezels on the Samsung are a little unpleasant (something that is changing for 2016's screens, but they all are far too big to use as a PC monitor up close).

So there you have it. There really is no clear answer. But for my dollar, I'm basically paying $1000 for the JS9000 with its pros and expected cons due to LCD, but zero "flaws", versus the OLED for $2000, with advantages and disadvantages (some due to poor processing, some due to panel design/engineering), and a certain engineering flaw.
 
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Nitemare, I heard you loud and clear!. I just wish more reviewers and consumers put more emphasis on input lag and chroma to make manufacturers place more emphasis on this. Unfortunately most consumers i guess just don't really care or know about it since most unfortunately just use these tv as tv.

I brought out my optiquest 21" crt the other night to do input lag timing on the samsung. The optiquest is actually the crappiest crt of the 5 i have and yet after hooking it up, i so missed the super responsive mouse movement. You can tell like night and day with the crt next to the samsung. of course we already know the contrast advantage of crt....

main problem i guess is that bc most people don't connect their tv to their computers so the manufacturers get to neglect with input lag and chroma and get away with it.:(
 
wildpig1234 said:
main problem i guess is that bc most people don't connect their tv to their computers so the manufacturers get to neglect with input lag and chroma and get away with it.:(
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That's exactly why they get away with it. They can cheap out on the electronics in the TVs so they can price units more aggressively and thus, move more units.
 
wildpig1234 said:
Nitemare, I heard you loud and clear!. I just wish more reviewers and consumers put more emphasis on input lag and chroma to make manufacturers place more emphasis on this. Unfortunately most consumers i guess just don't really care or know about it since most unfortunately just use these tv as tv.

I brought out my optiquest 21" crt the other night to do input lag timing on the samsung. The optiquest is actually the crappiest crt of the 5 i have and yet after hooking it up, i so missed the super responsive mouse movement. You can tell like night and day with the crt next to the samsung. of course we already know the contrast advantage of crt....
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I got my JS9000 in today. Surprisingly, it came with firmware 1007 - who knew they'd still be shipping those, JEEZ! I don't think I'll be updating the firmware unless someone can run some tests like I have done to prove the input lag doesn't increase anywhere. Even with the lower chroma in game mode compared to the new firmware, it won't make a noticeable difference in games. I can manage the desktop in PC mode just fine.

Tested it against my IPS Yamakasi Catleap, and then against the LG OLED EG9600. I duplicated the displays and ran the input lag tests on both lagom and flatpanelshd, using my camera with a shutter speed of 1/2000 and 2700 ISO to ensure it captured at that exact moment. Granted, these tests display milliseconds to the thousandths (X.xxx), but the monitors will only update every 16-17ms due to 60 FPS. It is still an accurate test though, just by looking at either the frame counter, or doing the math yourself in the milliseconds. This is what the tests looked like:

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In the above test (lagom) I was only paying attention to the frame counter since the actual milliseconds will only update every 16-17ms anyway. On the flatpanelshd test, you have to do the math a little bit. This test does not allow me to be 100% accurate due to variables, such as having 3 different panel techs with different pixel response times. I could take 1,000 photos and get the average for a pretty accurate result, but 20 or so of each test was enough for me to validate my thoughts. So here's what I found...

For those not familiar the Catleap used to be a holy grail of monitors. It uses the same panel (1440p IPS) as the old Dell 27" and Apple Cinema 27" displays that retailed for $1,000 - you could buy them directly from Korea, stripped of everything except for the input and power, for about $300. I also put the overclockable PCB's in mine so it can reach 120Hz. For these tests, it was run at 60Hz. Because the monitor is barebones, it has practically no input lag, and the pixel response times are great.

JS9000 vs Catleap
Game mode: response times matched 100%, sometimes the pixel response would lean a hair in either direction (numbers would fill/fade faster on one display or the other sometimes, but BARELY captured on a 1/2000 shutter - so it is irrelevant)
PC mode: about 1.5 frames slower than the Catleap
AMP enabled: about 4 frames slower - not bad for getting 120 Hz though!

JS9000 vs EG9600
-This was hard to say for certain, so I had to average. Because of the OLED pixel response time are almost instant, some results had a variation of up to 3 frames. What I am listing here is the average.
Game mode: about 3.5 frames faster than the EG9600
PC mode: about 2.5 frames faster than the EG9600
AMP enabled: essentially perfectly equal response time - this is the example picture used above (120Hz helped the results be more consistent)

I tested the EG9600 against the Catleap yesterday and found results that confirmed what I did today.

So there you have it... what I came up with was what I suspected a few posts ago based on my last venture with the JS9000. These TV's at 120Hz equal the input response speed of the LG OLED's at their best, and I was correct. Granted, I am using very old firmware, because Samsung did make some negative changes at times with future versions - I don't want to risk any increase in lag at all right now unless someone can prove otherwise. The Samsung is much better for PC use in my opinion. The LG's picture quality wins hands down, but in anything other than night time content, the Samsung is at least 95% just as good - as long as you stay within the very narrow viewing angle... If LG could just match Samsung's input response processing, they'd have the best TV in the world, hands down.

And it's crazy how small this 48" display feels after using a 55" for months!

main problem i guess is that bc most people don't connect their tv to their computers so the manufacturers get to neglect with input lag and chroma and get away with it.:(
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That's exactly why they get away with it. They can cheap out on the electronics in the TVs so they can price units more aggressively and thus, move more units.
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It's really not that big of an issue. TV content, Bluray, and probably console games as well do not output at 4:4:4 due to bandwidth constraints, so why waste resources on supporting it. It clearly presented some type of issue (cost most likely) otherwise they would have began supporting it sooner rather than later (just recently). If it kept the prices of TVs down for people all these years, then good on the manufacturers for doing it. But considering how widely TVs get used now setup with computers, they really should start making it standard on all TVs.
 
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Nitemare, thank you for the great info! Very helpful....

I did see the vignetting issues mentioned on AVSforum and that definitely concerned me, so if I do go the LG oled route, I will wait for the B or C series coming out later this year. As you mentioned, LG did say they implemented a fix for the vignetting problem, so the new TVs should be good in that regard (hopefully).

As for now, I am thinking either a 55" Samsung JS9000 or similar, the new 55" LG oled B series, or the new Dell 30" 4K oled monitor just announced IF I can get some coupons, etc.

Only thing about the Dell is the size is smaller than I was looking for, especially for its MSRP, but it is 4K oled @120Hz!
 
Lucas Hood said:
@Nitemare: Great info! I'm replacing my 40" UN7500 with a 48" JS9000 in a couple weeks. I hope the bigger size isn't too overwhelming. The 40" has been perfect for me, but the SUHD picture of the JS9000 is irresistible.
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Is the JS9000 image quality, better than UN7500 ???
 
Lucas Hood said:
@Nitemare: Great info! I'm replacing my 40" UN7500 with a 48" JS9000 in a couple weeks. I hope the bigger size isn't too overwhelming. The 40" has been perfect for me, but the SUHD picture of the JS9000 is irresistible.
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You'll get used to it, and not want to go back. Pulling out my 27" monitor was pitiful after using large displays for almost a year. This 48" still feels small because of that darn 55"!

csbear said:
Nitemare, thank you for the great info! Very helpful....

I did see the vignetting issues mentioned on AVSforum and that definitely concerned me, so if I do go the LG oled route, I will wait for the B or C series coming out later this year. As you mentioned, LG did say they implemented a fix for the vignetting problem, so the new TVs should be good in that regard (hopefully).

As for now, I am thinking either a 55" Samsung JS9000 or similar, the new 55" LG oled B series, or the new Dell 30" 4K oled monitor just announced IF I can get some coupons, etc.

Only thing about the Dell is the size is smaller than I was looking for, especially for its MSRP, but it is 4K oled @120Hz!
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If you're using the 55" JS9000 as a monitor, the edges may wash out due to the viewing angle limitations a bit more than you'd like. You can remedy this by sitting further away though. Also, LG claims they have fixed panels for the curved EG9600 ready to be sent to customers who need (more like notice the issue and want) them. The EF9500 is still being fixed. But the newer generation of OLEDs will hopefully fix not only that problem, but all the problems that have plagued the darker content (banding, uniformity). Plus they should be a lot brighter, and potentially more durable since that's how OLED tech seems to work - Samsung's first few generations of OLED panels SUCKED. Now they're the best phone screens out there - no questions asked.

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Yes, by far. Non-SUHD TVs have color properties close to TN monitors. Quantom dot SUHD is basically IPS color reproduction. I compared the JU7500 and JS9000 side by side in my home - it was NO contest that the JS9000 blew it out of the water.
 
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my update after months of use on JS9000...still whips the llama's ass
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ok Mr Winamp. ;) I miss that little burb.. and the little 3dfx logo spinning around before a glide based game launches.

Back OT.. I love gaming in 4k. It's really . . . breathtaking. Such a step up from 3 display surround - feels smoother and much more immersing. My only small regret is not getting a 48" - but I did this on a bit of a whim and got my ju6700 for 583something - which is a very decent price for getting a nice curved 4k panel. I thought I didn't notice the curve much - but I kind of do notice it now when I sit down. It's very subtle but I do like it - I would imagine on the 48" it's even more pronounced.
 
Hey all.

I've been tearing my hair out (or I would if I had any!) the past day trying to sort a problem out with my 40" Samsung JU6550U, so any help would be massively appreciated.


Basically I've owned the TV for a few months and never thought about setting it up for Chroma 4:4:4 via my PC until yesterday.

I have it running currently at 4K @ 60Hz connected to HDMI 1 and set as 'PC', but then when I turn on the HDMI UHD Color setting, the TV restarts but then isn't detected any more in Windows?

I have a GTX 980Ti so definitely has enough power to run.

Also I've noticed under the Nvidia Control Panel that the Output colour only has YCbCr420 available, and Output Dynamic Range is greyed out.

I've tried factory resetting the TV and nothing. Reinstalling GPU drivers and nothing. Swapping HDMI cables and nothing.

What on earth do I have to do to get Chroma 4:4:4?! Is there some sort of patch I need tor un? Do I need a more expensive cable? I bought a 'HDMI 2.0 with ethernet' one for the TV, although admittedly it was only £2!
 
You havent got a cable with enough bandwidth.
There are no HDMI 2.0 cables, they are labelled with the bandwidth they can achieve.
18Gbps is required for 4K with 4:4:4
 
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You havent got a cable with enough bandwidth.
There are no HDMI 2.0 cables, they are labelled with the bandwidth they can achieve.
18Gbps is required for 4K with 4:4:4
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Thank you. I just figured because it had ethernet, etc that it was decent enough.

I'll put an order in for an 18Gbps one now, cheers! Hopefully that sorts it.
 
Nitemare3219 said:
So there you have it. There really is no clear answer. But for my dollar, I'm basically paying $1000 for the JS9000 with its pros and expected cons due to LCD, but zero "flaws", versus the OLED for $2000, with advantages and disadvantages (some due to poor processing, some due to panel design/engineering), and a certain engineering flaw.
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Thank you for posting your detailed impressions of the LG, makes me a bit less regretful of not getting one.

I use my TV probably 80% for movies so the input lag wouldn't be a huge deal, but those dark screen and pixel issues don't sound great. I absolutely despise all kinds of visible (sub)pixel structure issues, and the lack of a "screen-door effect" was in fact my main reason to get 4K, not so much the resolution itself (since all I'm watching is 1080p Blu-rays anyway.)

In the end though paying twice as much for first-gen tech just didn't seem like a great idea, I'll have to wait until OLED matures a bit.

But even after several months I'm still disappointed with my curved JS8500 and I keep finding new issues with it. I've been trying to watch some old black-and-white movies and it's not great because of the viewing angles and lack of panel uniformity the left side is tinted blue, the right side is tinted green, and there's a band of yellow at the top.

And even if I set the 2-point white balance (difficult to begin with due to the strong shifts depending on where on the screen you're looking) there's still a strong green/yellow push in the midrange. For ages I've been fiddling with the 10-point controls to get rid of it, but when one shot looks good, tints start to creep into the gradients in the next shot and vice versa. The Smart LED function seems to be a large part of the issue but I have to use it as the black levels without it are utter garbage, basically makes the panel unusable.

I also recently confirmed a nasty issue with the Smart LED function that I had seen before and suspected, but didn't really investigate. When the screen is mostly dark with some isolated brighter spots, it will sometimes completely obliterate those highlights, clipping them into large grey blobs for no apparent reason, and it looks terrible when you come across it.

For example when I view the shot below in fullscreen with menus and cursor hidden, after two seconds the Smart LED has blown out almost the entire nose of the guy to the left. And it's even worse during playback when it quickly switches from dark to light:


I remember the credits for Mad Max: Fury Road also clipped like this. :mad:
 
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Having owned a JU7500 for almost a month now I can say that I NEVER notice the curve while using it. I'd recommend those debating on this feature to not include it in their calculations. In the end you pay more for something you won't notice. You might initially but give it a couple weeks and it becomes a non-issue. Save the extra scratch for something else. Just my .02
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How much do you precieve input-lag in pc monitor scenarios? If you use it as a monitor that is. I am looking for a 4k screen for 3d-modeling work but the input-lag is of concern to me. Most likely I could live with it in games but not sure if its quick enough for 3d-modeling viewport functions or photoshop/digital painting.

thanks,
 
Nenu said:
You havent got a cable with enough bandwidth.
There are no HDMI 2.0 cables, they are labelled with the bandwidth they can achieve.
18Gbps is required for 4K with 4:4:4
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The 18Gbps cable I ordered arrived today and still no luck. TV restarts and isn't detected any more like with the other cable.

So annoying, not sure if I can be bothered blowing money on another cable! :mad:

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And that's my only option with UHD Color disabled...

EDIT: Another interesting thing is the other HDMI ports all display 4K @ 60Hz. I was led to believe only the HDMI 1 port could do that?
 
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My JU7100 gives the option for all HDMI ports. I am just using a 4' cable from BestBuy for 4K basically and works fine with my GTX960
 
shaolin95 said:
My JU7100 gives the option for all HDMI ports. I am just using a 4' cable from BestBuy for 4K basically and works fine with my GTX960
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I believe only HDMI 1 (DVI/PC) is 4:4:4 capable on my TV JU6550, which is JU6500 in UK and JU6700 in the US afaik.

I'm honestly starting to question if mine has a faulty HDMI port or something, totally out of ideas now. Currently queueing to speak to Samsung Live Chat (Been waiting 2 hours already!) but haven't got much hope as they tend to just refer to the FAQ any ways.
 
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I believe only HDMI 1 (DVI/PC) is 4:4:4 capable on my TV JU6550, which is JU6500 in UK and JU6700 in the US afaik.

I'm honestly starting to question if mine has a faulty HDMI port or something, totally out of ideas now. Currently queueing to speak to Samsung Live Chat (Been waiting 2 hours already!) but haven't got much hope as they tend to just refer to the FAQ any ways.
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Sorry man but looks like you have tried all the logical steps by getting another cable so yeah, I would think is TV related as well.
 
shaolin95 said:
Sorry man but looks like you have tried all the logical steps by getting another cable so yeah, I would think is TV related as well.
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Turns out it was neither!

After literally two days trying to fix this and blaming it on HDMI cables, it turns out all I had to do was set Windows to only show 1 monitor under Display settings (The TV) instead keeping the original 'extend these displays' that I had set. Then I just set up the Samsung TV in the 4:4:4 format and then rechanged it back to the original extend setting.

All I can assume is Windows was thinking it was another TV entirely after it restarting in the UHD Color mode so didn't 'extend' it?

All sorted now any ways. Aaaaand relax! :eek:
 
Pakk said:
Thank you for posting your detailed impressions of the LG, makes me a bit less regretful of not getting one.

I use my TV probably 80% for movies so the input lag wouldn't be a huge deal, but those dark screen and pixel issues don't sound great. I absolutely despise all kinds of visible (sub)pixel structure issues, and the lack of a "screen-door effect" was in fact my main reason to get 4K, not so much the resolution itself (since all I'm watching is 1080p Blu-rays anyway.)

In the end though paying twice as much for first-gen tech just didn't seem like a great idea, I'll have to wait until OLED matures a bit.

But even after several months I'm still disappointed with my curved JS8500 and I keep finding new issues with it. I've been trying to watch some old black-and-white movies and it's not great because of the viewing angles and lack of panel uniformity the left side is tinted blue, the right side is tinted green, and there's a band of yellow at the top.

And even if I set the 2-point white balance (difficult to begin with due to the strong shifts depending on where on the screen you're looking) there's still a strong green/yellow push in the midrange. For ages I've been fiddling with the 10-point controls to get rid of it, but when one shot looks good, tints start to creep into the gradients in the next shot and vice versa. The Smart LED function seems to be a large part of the issue but I have to use it as the black levels without it are utter garbage, basically makes the panel unusable.

I also recently confirmed a nasty issue with the Smart LED function that I had seen before and suspected, but didn't really investigate. When the screen is mostly dark with some isolated brighter spots, it will sometimes completely obliterate those highlights, clipping them into large grey blobs for no apparent reason, and it looks terrible when you come across it.

For example when I view the shot below in fullscreen with menus and cursor hidden, after two seconds the Smart LED has blown out almost the entire nose of the guy to the left. And it's even worse during playback when it quickly switches from dark to light:


I remember the credits for Mad Max: Fury Road also clipped like this. :mad:
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Well, as much as I hated on LG in my last few posts and felt solace from Samsung's lack of input lag, I have a bit of new info to report...

I have enjoyed gaming on the Samsung the past few days. It's so much easier to play FPS's now with proper mouse response. But the image quality has taken a noticeable dive in a bad direction. I sit close to 3' away from my 48", but the contrast loss outside of the center is still noticeable. I have found this to be particularly disturbing while playing Rainbow Six Siege due to some stupid coloration filter Ubi applied to the visuals. The outside edges glow due to the poor contrast of the viewing angles combined with the nature of LCD technology.

The LG OLED looks gorgeous 24/7 in every game I've touched. Something truly amazing is playing a game like Insurgency on a night map. Perfect contrast is a true novelty - the game looks real, because you aren't looking into the "gray box" of LCD backlighting. I compared 4K screenshots with both TV's turned on, and the Samsung made me sick looking at it.

What made me vomit in my mouth though, was what I saw last night. I hadn't returned the LG OLED yet, and I watched the movie Everest on it last night. The entire movie was breathtaking, but especially the nighttime scenes. The perfect blackness of the "black bars" due to the cinematic aspect ratio is also something very special once you finally experience it. I watched a few of the "breathtaking" scenes again on the Samsung, making sure I had it set to its best possible image quality for movies, and it looked like complete garbage... contrast makes a HUGE difference in movies. TV, eh, perhaps not so much because it lacks the quality of a Bluray.

So where does this leave me now?... well, I'm typing this post on my LG OLED. The input lag isn't that bad, but it's still bad compared to any decent display for PC use. Oddly enough, sometimes the lag feels worse than other times - no clue why. I have sent LG's RMA supervisor a long, sincere email, trying to get him to pass on my concerns about input lag, or connect me to someone who can attempt to get it addressed. I linked about 25 posts from forums and such all referring to how big of an issue it is to those people as well. If LG would wisen up and create a "game" mode that works properly, with 10-20ms of response processing time, they would have the BEST displays in the world - no questions asked.

In the meantime, I will be keeping my Catleap close. If I truly need twitch response time (R6 Siege needs it due to its poor mouse input already), I have a 120Hz monitor with great response time. For everything else, the LG OLED has worked fine the past few months, and should continue to do so. Hopefully LG resolves the issue with our pleas. If not, maybe they'll get it right in 2016.

At any rate, I know that when I retire the EG9600 from PC duty, it will be a fantastic TV. The Samsung, however, will not be. The image quality pales in comparison, and it is a lot smaller - I will feel like I wasted my money, whereas the LG will make me smile every time I look at it. If you are truly using your display for 80% movie content, GET THE LG OLED - you will be far better off. Deals should be popping up with the new models coming, but check out Cleveland Plasma - they're legit, and offer TV's at far lower prices than most competitors. Only thing is, you can't return the TV - so you must rely on LG for the warranty/buy-back if you get a major issue. If you get one with the vignetting issues and what not, contact LG VIP support - they are by far the most helpful people I have ever dealt with. It may take some time, but they will make it right. I'll be asking for a replacement panel soon.

The JS9000 will probably be going back next week. If anyone wants me to do some artful comparisons, I can take some pretty great photos - but you probably. won't be able to truly appreciate the differences unless your display is decent.
 
mamboboy said:
Turns out it was neither!

After literally two days trying to fix this and blaming it on HDMI cables, it turns out all I had to do was set Windows to only show 1 monitor under Display settings (The TV) instead keeping the original 'extend these displays' that I had set. Then I just set up the Samsung TV in the 4:4:4 format and then rechanged it back to the original extend setting.

All I can assume is Windows was thinking it was another TV entirely after it restarting in the UHD Color mode so didn't 'extend' it?

All sorted now any ways. Aaaaand relax! :eek:
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Odd as I am using mine with 2 extra 1080P monitors without issue but glad you got it working!
 
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