Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has Serious Problems

Reading stuff like this really makes me want to roll back to Win7. I can name several things I miss from 7. What would I miss from 10? Maybe the task manager? I can name several things I don't like about it, however.
 
One has to really wonder why they are trying so hard. 7 is no less secure than 10.and is supported with security patches until 2020. Beyond that, 7 is rock solid, and does what I need it to do. I am not much of a gamer, so the whole direct X 12 things is moot. I can counter all of their talking points with my own points. There is no incentive for me to use Malware 10.
 
SixFootDuo said:
He is the classic gamer bro "all his pc upgrades come from Best Buy" type. He doesn't know any better. In fact when I first saw his reply my initial reaction was not one of announce but .. sadness. He literally cannot stop from blurting out shit like that. No serious, ask him. He will tell you "I don't know why I do that."
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Not even close. I'm actually the guy that gets called to fix the PC's after all the idiot techs who use a bunch of third party programs have screwed it up to the point of their only solution is "Reinstall". Here is a protip, 99% of the time a windows reinstall isn't necessary or even prudent. It is a lazy way of dealing with problems. Much like using crap like GWX is a lazy way of dealing with win 10 popups that are easily disabled in about 10 seconds by anyone who knows how to use a search engine. Furthermore every single feature of GWX is again easily done by anyone who has more than a passing knowledge of windows. It is a lazy tool for people who can't be bothered to learn the OS. Sorry but I don't advocate the use of most third party "Tech utilities" any longer. Most of them are sloppily coded and fraught with security programs, not to mention almost never come from a trustworthy source.

Sorry to ruin your silly little preconceived notion about me.
 
FO4 worked great for me. And, my new Epson printer prints like a boss.

Go fuck yourself, Microsoft.
 
Ms Push to get people to Windows 10 is to the point of being suspicious. Of what, I don't know.

Now they are calling their own previous work, once hearalded as the best OS ever made (and possibly true) total shit because they want you to upgrade. For Free. To windows 10.

Something isn't adding up here for me.
 
And why would Fallout 4 not run on Windows 7? No one seems to be having problems. And it isn't a DX12 title, so there is no advantage to it under Win 10 over 7.
 
TechLarry said:
Ms Push to get people to Windows 10 is to the point of being suspicious. Of what, I don't know.

Now they are calling their own previous work, once hearalded as the best OS ever made (and possibly true) total shit because they want you to upgrade. For Free. To windows 10.

Something isn't adding up here for me.
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Windows 7 does not feature the Microsoft Store™. They have no way to monetise Windows 7. Microsoft wants everyone to buy All The Apps on the Microsoft Store™.
 
Exavior said:
So you keep Linux at whatever the current version is but see a problem with keeping Windows up to date?
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I think it comes down to that with Linux you never need to install a newer version unless you use a distro like Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora that create releases of their software.

Other distro's like Arch Linux or Gentoo you never need to install a newer version because you are always on the newest version.

This is basically just how the distro's work, rolling vs fixed release. Any older fixed release distro can run newer software after that version is no longer supported you just need to compile it yourself instead of pulling it through whatever repositories you use.

So, essentially you always have control with Linux or BSD in this type of scenario.



Dekoth-E- said:
Just stop..much like my comment for MS to stop making shit up, same applies to the linux crowd. Linux isn't a viable option for most people and likely never will be. So let us cut the bullshit already and quit pretending like linux is even remotely viable for more than 5-10% of all PC users.
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I will say that I understand where you are coming from but at the same time my computer illiterate mom and dad use Linux every day. The only reason they know they use Linux is because I told them.
Most people technically, are dumb enough that you can slap Linux on a computer and they can use it just like windows until you tell them. Then they freak out and want windows back.
In the case with my parents I told them after a month and they didn't care because it did what they needed. Email, surfing, and in the case of my dad a couple games.
 
Opened this thread to read all the delusional FUD about Microsoft; did not disappoint.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Not even close. I'm actually the guy that gets called to fix the PC's after all the idiot techs who use a bunch of third party programs have screwed it up to the point of their only solution is "Reinstall". Here is a protip, 99% of the time a windows reinstall isn't necessary or even prudent. It is a lazy way of dealing with problems. Much like using crap like GWX is a lazy way of dealing with win 10 popups that are easily disabled in about 10 seconds by anyone who knows how to use a search engine. Furthermore every single feature of GWX is again easily done by anyone who has more than a passing knowledge of windows. It is a lazy tool for people who can't be bothered to learn the OS. Sorry but I don't advocate the use of most third party "Tech utilities" any longer. Most of them are sloppily coded and fraught with security programs, not to mention almost never come from a trustworthy source.

Sorry to ruin your silly little preconceived notion about me.
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There's really nothing wrong with being lazy when it comes to a computer. It's just some silly gadget that's supposed to save people time so taking whatever shortcuts work for the individual at the keyboard really gets to the heart of why computers even exist in the first place. Like, for me, I didn't wanna bother with a 3rd party way to get rid of GWX so on the only Windows computer I have left, I just didn't install the update that contains the nagware. Not everyone works like that and getting upset about how someone else uses their computer that you don't even know...um...is that even reasonable? And really, I'd rather spend an hour reinstalling an OS than six hours finding a solution so at some point in doing research to solve a problem, you get to this situation where you reach like diminishing returns on your effort and, if you're supporting a user community, you totally are like, "Mkay, time to reload the company's OS image from a thumb drive. It'll be done in 20 mins and then you'll need another 10 mins to get your preferences back from the script thing-y that copies the stuff back down from the SAN."
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Not even close. I'm actually the guy that gets called to fix the PC's after all the idiot techs who use a bunch of third party programs have screwed it up to the point of their only solution is "Reinstall". Here is a protip, 99% of the time a windows reinstall isn't necessary or even prudent. It is a lazy way of dealing with problems. Much like using crap like GWX is a lazy way of dealing with win 10 popups that are easily disabled in about 10 seconds by anyone who knows how to use a search engine. Furthermore every single feature of GWX is again easily done by anyone who has more than a passing knowledge of windows. It is a lazy tool for people who can't be bothered to learn the OS. Sorry but I don't advocate the use of most third party "Tech utilities" any longer. Most of them are sloppily coded and fraught with security programs, not to mention almost never come from a trustworthy source.

Sorry to ruin your silly little preconceived notion about me.
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I think what we are talking about is something much different than what's going on in your head. and that's cool. I just don't think we are following you here.

Microsoft is being very aggressive with this Windows 10 and if you look at the business model behind Windows 10 is certainly looks to be all about market data, how they can leverage that, financially, etc. And, you know, at the end of the day, it's their product, they can do what they want but for many, it's not so black and white and that's where I come in.

For the last 7 or 8 weeks, I've been making around, I dunno, I guess 10 - 12, sometimes fewer house calls to either, work on site or pickup and delivery for customers that don't want Windows 10 on their new PC's or they tried it out and they won't to go back to Windows 7, or tricked into installing it, whatever the case my be.

And as far as the apps go that help to curtail those types of continued relentless invasions of a users home PC 'Windows 10" they do serve a purpose. So I am not sure I really understand your rant.

All I do is put back what they owner wants and I make sure it stays that way. And I have to say business is great.
 
So when all else fails they resort to fear tactics?

That's playing dirty since there are tons of people who will fall for that sort of thing.

MS is looking and sounding more and more desperate every day.
 
Someone needs to warn Microsoft that 10 has serious problems.
 
Tengis said:
Opened this thread to read all the delusional FUD about Microsoft; did not disappoint.
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Crying about FUD in a thread about Microsoft trying to peddle a product with FUD. Oh the irony.
 
Terpfen said:
Enterprises, many of which still cannot migrate from XP due to incompatible software, will have a good laugh at this.
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I still have a couple applications at the office, that will not run on anything newer that Windows 7 32 bit.
Even Server 2003 required some tweaking to make them work (really wanted to get ride of that old 2000 server) Until the company decided to spend the money on a newer app, we are stuck on Windows 7.

As for home, I still use media center.
If Microsoft really wants me to upgrade, then they need to support media center on Windows 10.
And yes, I know there is a hack to install it in Windows 10, but that's not officially supported.
What is worse, running the older Windows 7 with the supported media center, or running Windows 10 with an unsupported hacked version of media center?
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
There's really nothing wrong with being lazy when it comes to a computer. It's just some silly gadget that's supposed to save people time so taking whatever shortcuts work for the individual at the keyboard really gets to the heart of why computers even exist in the first place. Like, for me, I didn't wanna bother with a 3rd party way to get rid of GWX so on the only Windows computer I have left, I just didn't install the update that contains the nagware. Not everyone works like that and getting upset about how someone else uses their computer that you don't even know...um...is that even reasonable? And really, I'd rather spend an hour reinstalling an OS than six hours finding a solution so at some point in doing research to solve a problem, you get to this situation where you reach like diminishing returns on your effort and, if you're supporting a user community, you totally are like, "Mkay, time to reload the company's OS image from a thumb drive. It'll be done in 20 mins and then you'll need another 10 mins to get your preferences back from the script thing-y that copies the stuff back down from the SAN."
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I don't care what an individual does on their personal computer. I care when a self professed tech who is "charging money" takes shortcuts on their customers.

SixFootDuo said:
I think what we are talking about is something much different than what's going on in your head. and that's cool. I just don't think we are following you here.

Microsoft is being very aggressive with this Windows 10 and if you look at the business model behind Windows 10 is certainly looks to be all about market data, how they can leverage that, financially, etc. And, you know, at the end of the day, it's their product, they can do what they want but for many, it's not so black and white and that's where I come in.

For the last 7 or 8 weeks, I've been making around, I dunno, I guess 10 - 12, sometimes fewer house calls to either, work on site or pickup and delivery for customers that don't want Windows 10 on their new PC's or they tried it out and they won't to go back to Windows 7, or tricked into installing it, whatever the case my be.

And as far as the apps go that help to curtail those types of continued relentless invasions of a users home PC 'Windows 10" they do serve a purpose. So I am not sure I really understand your rant.

All I do is put back what they owner wants and I make sure it stays that way. And I have to say business is great.
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My rant is about you taking money from people and running a half assed program. If you are going to call yourself a tech and charge people money, then fix it right and uninstall and hide the update as well as leave the customer information on what update was hidden as well as how to undo it in the future. I don't care a bit about you rolling them back to Win 7, give them what they want. I get irritated at all the shortcuts "techs" today take because I've spent years cleaning up the messes all those shortcuts make. Sure this one might not make any particular messes, but it still doesn't excuse it when there is a right way that actually takes the same period of time.
 
KazeoHin said:
Windows 7 does not feature the Microsoft Store™. They have no way to monetise Windows 7. Microsoft wants everyone to buy All The Apps on the Microsoft Store™.
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Funny thing.
I've had a android phone for almost 4 years, and I've never bought anything from the play store. No app, no movies, no songs, etc. I've installed a number of free apps over the years like viewers, games, and even some technical apps like a WiFi scanner, but never something that cost money.

I also have a Windows 8 tablet, upgraded to 10, and have no plans to ever buy something from the app store.
 
I'd rather listen to a Best Buy blue-shirt's advice about computer security than a chief of marketing at Microsoft who is suggesting the latest OS they make. I think the same was said about Vista and similar BS from marketing about Win 2000 being inappropriate for a home user vs ME.
 
kumquat said:
Running XP in an enterprise environment in 2016 is irresponsible to the point of representing gross incompetence on the part of the IT department./
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No, it's usually due to gross incompetence of the management that doesn't want to spend any money updating applications or hardware.

As an IT person I've pushed as much as I can, even managing to get the last 2 old application working on Windows 7. Now they need to spend money to replacing the apps to go to anything newer.
 
ChefJoe said:
I'd rather listen to a Best Buy blue-shirt's advice about computer security than a chief of marketing at Microsoft who is suggesting the latest OS they make. I think the same was said about Vista and similar BS from marketing about Win 2000 being inappropriate for a home user vs ME.
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At the time it was. Gaming, application, and device support were very different on 2k vs 98/ME.
 
nutzo said:
No, it's usually due to gross incompetence of the management that doesn't want to spend any money updating applications or hardware.

As an IT person I've pushed as much as I can, even managing to get the last 2 old application working on Windows 7. Now they need to spend money to replacing the apps to go to anything newer.
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You're "an IT person." That doesn't indicate enterprise environment to me. Enterprise indicates large organizations, often with thousands of employees with large IT departments and budgets over multiple sites.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
I don't care what an individual does on their personal computer. I care when a self professed tech who is "charging money" takes shortcuts on their customers.
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Yup, that's why I specifically mentioned the diminishing returns thing and included a SAN comment the post you quoted because that's a business thing-y. Personally, I'd rather see a tech bill for one hour of reimage than six hours of research to find a solution that avoids reimage. And a good tech will know how to quickly recover user settings and information during a reload via scripts or just knowing which settings to yank from the user profile. :D
 
Megalith said:
This Forbes article references a recent chat over at Windows Weekly, in which Microsoft’s marketing chief explains that those of you who still use Windows 7 do so “at your own risk, at your own peril.” What could Microsoft's motive possibly be?

“We do worry when people are running an operating system that’s 10 years old that the next printer they buy isn’t going to work well, or they buy a new game, they buy Fallout 4, a very popular game, and it doesn’t work on a bunch of older machines,” Capossela stated. “And so, as we are pushing our ISV [Independent Software Vendor] and hardware partners to build great new stuff that takes advantage of Windows 10 that obviously makes the old stuff really bad and not to mention viruses and security problems.”
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My Windows 7 Pro, (64 Bit),has been working GREAT, ever since I loaded it up!

Thanks, O My God, King MicroShxt, now I I'm so scared that I will change OS' (Not. But, never GWX, Maybe MAC OS 10, or Unix/Linus, or whatever, BUT NEVER GWX!
 
And thus, Microsoft crossed a threshold and now uses F.U.D. to push the masses into Windows 10, sadly.

Luckily, I'm immune to such bullshit because of years of being inundated with it as the Dread Pirate Roberts was immune to Iocaine poisoning from years of sampling small amounts. I'd post a meme pic with "Inconceivable!!!" but at this point everything they're doing is quite conceivable and entirely predictable.
 
The problem for Microsoft is a lot of people operate on the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" principle and will just ignore those upgrade pop-ups. I'm not sure how many more upgrades they'll really get even from a Forbes article. A lot of those people won't have Windows 10 until they get a new PC.

Even as someone who plays a lot of PC games there still isn't much reason to upgrade yet. There are a couple betas that support DX12 right now, but that's it. Even the list of games with DX12 support coming out by the end of 2016 is tiny right now, and I doubt any games will require DX12 for the next 5 years (by which point Win7 will be EOL anyway).

From a security standpoint these claims are basically nonsense meant to fool idiots. Until Win7 is EOL it will likely have the same security flaws Windows 10 does, and probably get patches for them at exactly the same time too. A large part of the Windows install base is businesses too, and those IT departments are probably going to hold onto Windows 7 as long as they possibly can for compatibility, budgetary, and administrative/control reasons.

The new task manager is nice though.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
malware
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its just a utility that automates tedious settings. the same type of people who have automatic updates enabled & got "duped" into installing w10 are not going to be savvy enough to investigate inevitable future updates that MS will push through to toggle the "upgrade" checks. the monitor mode of this utility is genuinely helpful.

i just dont get quite where youre coming from, even though youve stated your position quite clearly it seems incongruous. are you gonna call spybot anti-beacon malware next?
 
__hollywood|meow said:
its just a utility that automates tedious settings. the same type of people who have automatic updates enabled & got "duped" into installing w10 are not going to be savvy enough to investigate inevitable future updates that MS will push through to toggle the "upgrade" checks. the monitor mode of this utility is genuinely helpful.

i just dont get quite where youre coming from, even though youve stated your position quite clearly it seems incongruous. are you gonna call spybot anti-beacon malware next?
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There is a marked difference between useful utility and lazy utility.
 
nutzo said:
No, it's usually due to gross incompetence of the management that doesn't want to spend any money updating applications or hardware.
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Devil's advocate here. So when I have an expensive piece of lab equipment that costs into the six figures (whose software only runs on Windows XP), what then? If the piece of equipment is solid, reliable, and is making my company lots of money, why would I risk upgrading just because my IT guy says I should? Surely, you, Mr. IT man would lock it down and keep it from accessing anything outside the LAN?
 
jbltecnicspro said:
Devil's advocate here. So when I have an expensive piece of lab equipment that costs into the six figures (whose software only runs on Windows XP), what then? If the piece of equipment is solid, reliable, and is making my company lots of money, why would I risk upgrading just because my IT guy says I should? Surely, you, Mr. IT man would lock it down and keep it from accessing anything outside the LAN?
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The piece of equipment would not be allowed network access. We have had situations where an unsupported piece of equipment required internet access; we went through a number of steps to make sure no sensitive information was kept on the device, walled it off onto its own VLAN, and scheduled regular offline auditing and scanning. Local accounts only.

That's enterprise IT. This was in a corporation with a yearly IT budget of 8 or 9 figures. We had an information security officer with his own team, and I was working in network security at the time.
 
The left hand really doesnt know what the right hand is doing.
MS are either deliberately going to let Windows 7 security lax (despite support for exactly this until 2020) or they are bullshitting about themselves.
I guess they have lost respect for each other internally.
I used to like this company, they are a disgrace.
 
Megalith said:
“We do worry when people are running an operating system that’s 10 years old that the next printer they buy isn’t going to work well, or they buy a new game, they buy Fallout 4, a very popular game, and it doesn’t work on a bunch of older machines,
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Makes me wonder how many old games that will break in 10 but will work in 7.
 
Windows 7 isn't 10 years old though. FO4 works fine on W7. I love how this guy has no idea what he's talking about.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
There is a marked difference between useful utility and lazy utility.
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i agree, & respect your viewpoint - but in this instance, theres overlap...lets be realistic, how would you go about preventing another w10 update toggle from slipping in sorted under "important" on his clients computers? they obviously arent a savvy bunch if theyre autoupdating, cant restore themselves, etc
 
Cmdrmonkey said:
Windows 7 isn't 10 years old though. FO4 works fine on W7. I love how this guy has no idea what he's talking about.
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He's the marketing chief, of course he doesn't know what he is talking about :)
 
Microsoft is really stepping up this year. I wonder if they'll get into the top 3 for the Golden Poo
 
Windows 10 is pretty terrible. I really wish I was running windows 7 again. It really does give me the urge to learn and run linux.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Ok look..I get it, you want me to upgrade to 10. I have on my mobile devices and most of my desktops. However reality is my primary desktop I still use WMC sometimes and have ZERO reason to downgrade. I don't have too many complaints about win10 as I'm not an idiot and it isn't hard to turn off the spying. That all said, Don't make shit up and try to convince me that Win7 is something that it isn't..Seriously those of us hanging on to Win7 aren't stupid. I would argue that most of us are probably far more educated when it comes to windows than most and have very very good reasons for not upgrading.

TLDR: Fuck off MS, stop making shit up.
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I still think it's idiotic to stick to an OS the creators are not focusing on as far as security concerns go. Unless you have some very specific software that will literally explode on anything other than windows 7, just effing upgrade to the latest. And if you don't and get more zero day exposure, then suffer.
 
I won't touch Windows 10 with a 10 foot pole. Microsoft wouldn't be willing giving the OS away for free unless it was for a VERY good and VERY powerful reason. What we know is that they are making money hand over fist harvesting people's personal preferences and habits that they're gleaning from all of Windows 10's telemetry, but there is a more sinister possibility.

What is unclear, is to the extent of government involvement in Windows 10. Some people have hypothesized that there are various, well-hidden backdoors in Windows 10 for US intelligence agency access/use. If this hypothesis is true, it wouldn't be surprising if Microsoft were paid a bonus by the various US intelligence agencies for each user that installs Windows 10. Microsoft would also aggressively champion the rapid adoption of Windows 10, even to the point of zombie installing it on people's machines like they've been doing.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
I don't care what an individual does on their personal computer. I care when a self professed tech who is "charging money" takes shortcuts on their customers.



My rant is about you taking money from people and running a half assed program. If you are going to call yourself a tech and charge people money, then fix it right and uninstall and hide the update as well as leave the customer information on what update was hidden as well as how to undo it in the future. I don't care a bit about you rolling them back to Win 7, give them what they want. I get irritated at all the shortcuts "techs" today take because I've spent years cleaning up the messes all those shortcuts make. Sure this one might not make any particular messes, but it still doesn't excuse it when there is a right way that actually takes the same period of time.
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First of all, I'm not taking money, I am earning it. I didn't go to them, they came to me. And nearly all of them were worried and concerned that the Windows 10 update would keep showing up and nagging them or that their kids or grandchildren would update the PC right back to Windows 10. You have a real problem with understanding the real pc world and how things can and do play out. You do understand the concept of Nagware right? It doesn't go away. It's persistent. A large part of my business comes from people clicking thru, unknowingly installing malware and just doing things in general they shouldn't do that causes their PC's to run terrible. Have you even seen ransomware on a someones PC? I get 2 or 3 calls a week over someone having their PC locked and freaking out all their baby pictures or family videos are going to be gone forever. In fact, why am I even explaining this to you? I now question if you even do real work as a PC tech as your main income source. Also, take a few minutes and go educate yourself on GWX control panel. It would answer a lot of your questions instead of us having to explain to you what it does. It doesn't hide anything, it's pretty straight forward and crystal clear. No one in the dark, Customers can turn things off and on as they wish. The tool was created to fix a very specific problem and does a great job of getting rid of Windows 10. People have data caps and may not want 2 - 3gb of files on their PC, or, as mentioned, continuously nagged. That great if you like Windows 10 but I have people calling me weekly that absolutely do not.
 
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