Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB Edition is a winner for power users

heatlesssun said:
What does the average computer user want? Fine control of updates probably isn't on that list. At this point Windows probably does try to do too many things for too many people but that's also one of its strengths.
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choice is king, there is nothing wrong with giving the option of full control whilst by default having automatic updates, which is what all the recent versions of windows have been doing.
 
Technically, I am out of the "Terms Of Service" because I use W10-Enterprise as my primary OS outside of a test/lab setting on my home machine. I pay $280 for my MSDN subscription that gives me three years of access to the Microsoft products. I also NEVER give out ANY of my software keysto anyone, a big No/No.
 
bigdogchris said:
Anyone found a way to install 10586 update on LTSB?
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From what I have read, you can't roll this update into the LTSB build. You must wait for MS to release it to channel partners of you MSVL center. My W10-Enterprise (Workgroup Machine) just updated last night to the November update. As long as you don't have your W10-Enterprise added to a domain, the November update should start hitting machines very soon. W10-Pro/Ent machines added to a domain will not be upgraded until the companies IT department allows the upgrade to happen via a group policy.
 
I've been running this on a vm for a few days now. I really think it is great. Win 10 without the crap. Once they release a nov update iso I will be putting this on my gaming pc.
 
So is the really only downside of using the LTSB reinstalling every 90 days (meh, some of us do it quite regularly)?
 
pbassjunk said:
So is the really only downside of using the LTSB reinstalling every 90 days (meh, some of us do it quite regularly)?
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That's only the trial edition. And there's probably a way to reset the 90 days if you really needed to. I definitely wouldn't have patience for that. Then again, until DX12 games come out next year, there honestly isn't anything revolutionary in 10 since 8.0 or even 7, but at least you can say you're on the latest OS and can get familiar in case you need to support it.
 
trick0502 said:
I've been running this on a vm for a few days now. I really think it is great. Win 10 without the crap. Once they release a nov update iso I will be putting this on my gaming pc.
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Exactly. It's Windows 10 de-bloated and de-spyware'd.

However I'm fairly sure that the LTSB iso is not going to be updated with this November update. The whole point of LTSB is that it doesn't change, for those organizations that need it to stay fairly static.
 
DPI said:
Exactly. It's Windows 10 de-bloated and de-spyware'd.

However I'm fairly sure that the LTSB iso is not going to be updated with this November update. The whole point of LTSB is that it doesn't change, for those organizations that need it to stay fairly static.
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I thought the point of LTSB is is so that you are not forced to upgrade features on Microsoft's schedule which would force enterprises to keep retesting compatibility every few months and that could be too labor intensive. Microsoft could still release updated LTSB ISOs that you optionally use or not.

Many of the features of the November update are not relevant to LTSB because they update features like Microsoft Edge and Cortana that are not included in LTSB.
However, there are still some updates that would apply to LTSB such as the new feature of disabling Microsoft telemetry.

Many enterprises might want to use the November update version of Windows 10 as their point of jumping into Windows 10 because the July 10240 release seems unfinished.
 
the iso is available for download from ms. it is dated 11/16/15.

edit: i guess it isnt. all of the other win 10 downloads give you a choice of july or nov iso to download. the lbst doesnt have that option.
 
I just finished installing this to my primary work workstation, and man is it jacked up for me. Dell dropped this unit like a hot rock when it came to ongoing support, which sucks for me as we bought it apparently near its end of sales life and Dell wont release new Win10 Perc drivers for it. This thing worked *ok* on the initial 10 ent build, but this build breaks it all.
 
Apparently they recategorized telemetry in GPEDIT in TH2/10586 in Enterprise - surprise surprise, it doesn't shut the telemetry off (and they practically admit to it now).

Despite all the announcements about MS giving enterprise users the option to switch off telemetry completely on new 10586 build (although it doesn't recommend it...), a tiny thing has changed, and not for the better.
The core setting is well known: Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Data Collection and Preview Builds > Allow Telemetry.

On 10240:

0. Off [Enterprise Only]
1- Basic
2. Enhanced
3. Full


A value of 0 indicates that no telemetry data from OS components is sent to Microsoft. Setting a value of 0 is applicable to enterprise and server devices only. Setting a value of 0 for other devices is equivalent to choosing a value of 1.

On 10586:

0. Security
1. Basic
2. Enhanced
3. Full


A value of 0 will send minimal data to Microsoft. This data includes Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT) & Windows Defender data, if enabled, and telemetry client settings.
This level is available only on Windows 10 Enterprise and Windows 10 Education, and IoT Core.

From zero data to minimal data: well, not quite a step ahead in privacy policy.
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Something to [not] look forward to once they put out an updated LTSB release. :rolleyes:
 
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Sounds like Telemetry Off didn't really mean Off then in 10240, and that they're really just clarifying the label in 10586. So its either "oh well, deal with it" and keep running 10, or just go back to Windows 8 with updates disabled and then AutoPatcher for security/bugfixes.
 
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Yeah; I'm surprised this hasn't caused a ruckus yet but I'm guessing it's because enterprise adoption is still low and (after this is realized) will continue to be so. They just don't get it...I was thinking last night about "what's next" and how we may be back at a period we were before where it's worth running a Windows Server OS instead of a consumer-level Windows desktop OS just to avoid this BS. (ie when it was worthwhile to run Win2k to avoid the horrendousness of ME)
 
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208(v=vs.85).aspx#BKMK_UTC

This goes into exact details of what's necessary to disable all telemetry. In addition to setting the diagnostics setting to "Security" you have to do these additional steps:

To turn off Windows Update telemetry, you have two choices. Either turn off Windows Update, or set your devices to be managed by an on premises update server, such as Windows Server Update Services (WSUS) or System Center Configuration Manager (SCCM).


•Turn off Windows Defender Cloud-based Protection and Automatic sample submission in Settings > Update & security > Windows Defender.


•Manage the Malicious Software Removal Tool in your organization. For more info, see Microsoft KB article 891716.


•Turn off Linguistic Data Collection in Settings > Privacy. At telemetry levels Enhanced and Full, Microsoft uses Linguistic Data Collection info to improve language model features such as autocomplete, spellcheck, suggestions, input pattern recognition, and dictionary. For more info, see the Get to know me setting in the Speech, inking, & typing section of this article and the Send Microsoft info about how I write to help us improve typing and writing in the future setting in the General section of this article.
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I just noticed windows 10 consumer version is a security concern in a way I didnt realise before.

As I already posted earlier in the year whenever windows updates to a new build it resets various settings, one's that arent configured in the gui, such as menushowdelay registry setting.

However I discovered it also reset's security settings e.g. DEP if set to optout is reset to optin, SEHOP is also reset to optin from optout if configured.

From a security perspective as well as user/admin been in control of their own system windows 10 is a mess.
 
Yeah! I went through all the crap of disabling everything and making Windows 10 pro run as smooth as possible, Then the latest build update came! AHHHHHHHHH! The latest build update made me very angry! So I searched for alternatives and learned about LTSB, So I bought it! So far so good! But if they update LTSB for the worst? I may go with Linux and quit gaming altogether! I refuse to be data mined! They won't be happy until they are in our homes watching our every move! We need to say no now! Or we can forget about ever being human again!
 
MSIGTX650Ti said:
Yeah! I went through all the crap of disabling everything and making Windows 10 pro run as smooth as possible, Then the latest build update came! AHHHHHHHHH! The latest build update made me very angry! So I searched for alternatives and learned about LTSB, So I bought it! So far so good! But if they update LTSB for the worst? I may go with Linux and quit gaming altogether! I refuse to be data mined! They won't be happy until they are in our homes watching our every move! We need to say no now! Or we can forget about ever being human again!
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How did you buy it? MSDN?
 
If I have time over this weekend I was be replacing my windows install with this. I got a key from work I can use for "testing".

I'm just curious how new builds work for this? With all the other 10 builds you have the option of the July or November build to download, but not for ltsb. So my question is, will this always be based off of 10240 build?
 
trick0502 said:
If I have time over this weekend I was be replacing my windows install with this. I got a key from work I can use for "testing".

I'm just curious how new builds work for this? With all the other 10 builds you have the option of the July or November build to download, but not for ltsb. So my question is, will this always be based off of 10240 build?
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LTSB cannot be upgraded to newer builds.
You have to reinstall the OS.
Might be able to do an in-place upgrade, but I haven't found it documented, and there is no way to test as none of the new builds have been released in the LTSB flavor yet.

I believe MS has stated they only plan on releasing new LTSB builds every 2 years or so.
 
Is our interest in LTSB moot now? I've read that you can 100% disable telemetry in Enterprise as well with the latest update.
 
gimp said:
LTSB cannot be upgraded to newer builds.
You have to reinstall the OS.
Might be able to do an in-place upgrade, but I haven't found it documented, and there is no way to test as none of the new builds have been released in the LTSB flavor yet.

I believe MS has stated they only plan on releasing new LTSB builds every 2 years or so.
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so it will only be build 10240 for the next year in a half?
 
trick0502 said:
so it will only be build 10240 for the next year in a half?
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Yeah basically.
So apparently you can do in-place upgrades, according to this ComputerWorld article.

Every two to three years, Microsoft will create another LTSB build, integrating some or all of the feature changes released to CB and CBB in the intervening time, then offer that to customers. They will have the option to move to that build -- it won't be mandatory -- and can skip at least one build, passing on LTSB 2 (or whatever Microsoft names it), then years later adopting LSTB 3 with an in-place upgrade.

The code released on July 29 will be considered LTSB 1, Microsoft has said, so a second, optional LTSB won't appear until 2017 at the earliest.
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http://www.computerworld.com/articl...te-and-upgrade-schedule-explained.html?page=2
 
Stevoman said:
Is our interest in LTSB moot now? I've read that you can 100% disable telemetry in Enterprise as well with the latest update.
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I wouldn't say it's moot, I'd say people have come to realize "Oh, that isn't for regular consumers, and even technical folk still don't have easy access to it depending on their jobs (meaning like a half-percent aka 0.5% of computer users overall) so, the only actual way to get that release would be to pirate it..." is something that has to be taken into consideration.

It always kills me when I have people bring me laptops for repair/optimizing/reinstalls/wipes/etc and they're consumer grade hardware that's running Windows 7 Enterprise or in some instances even Windows 10 Enterprise - I even had one guy bring me one with Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB on it a few weeks ago, said he bought it off someone on craigslist and wanted to make sure it was "legit" and not stolen. As soon as it powered up and started loading the OS I couldn't help but laugh and when I explained why the guy seemed pretty disappointed but, it still has the Windows 7 Pro COA sticker attached in the battery compartment so that's what I eventually installed so he's legit - it could still be a stolen machine but that's not my responsibility to worry about.

Anyway, I'm still of the mind that if people have to jump through so many hoops to use Windows 10 you're better off not using it at all but that's just my personal opinion on the Windows 10 fiasco/situation.
 
Tiberian said:
Anyway, I'm still of the mind that if people have to jump through so many hoops to use Windows 10 you're better off not using it at all but that's just my personal opinion on the Windows 10 fiasco/situation.
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I finally just gave up. Realized there was nothing particularly compelling in 10 that I didn't already have in 8, so I just went back to 8 (with StartIsBack installed ofcourse.. ofcourse)

The DX12 games that were promised by MS cheerleaders before end of year never materialized (shocker), but if a number of DX12 titles manage to ship sometime this year then I may revisit. If MS pulls their heads out with the Redstone update and gives everyone a working telemetry off switch I will also revisit.
 
MSIGTX650Ti said:
Yeah! I went through all the crap of disabling everything and making Windows 10 pro run as smooth as possible, Then the latest build update came! AHHHHHHHHH! The latest build update made me very angry! So I searched for alternatives and learned about LTSB, So I bought it! So far so good! But if they update LTSB for the worst? I may go with Linux and quit gaming altogether! I refuse to be data mined! They won't be happy until they are in our homes watching our every move! We need to say no now! Or we can forget about ever being human again!
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The credit card you purchased your OS and hardware from track your spending habits. Used PayPal? They do too. Walked into BestBuy or Frys to get the hardware and paid cash? You still are a part of their metric data for hardware sales. Google has bots that scan forums like this and read data posted here, your choice of OS has nothing to do with that either. Your ISP collects data on what you use your connection for and using a VPN to tunnel your data past the ISP only gives it to your VPN provider to mine. If you don't like being a part of a huge data mining statistic, you have the wrong hobby and your choice of OS is less than a drop in the bucket for what data you provide freely every day. Better delete your account here and smash your filthy data mining computer just to be safe. You wouldn't want Microsoft to have your statistics, especially since out of the 200 million Windows 10 pcs, they are specifically watching you.
 
I just re-upped my MSDN for education enterprise version for another three years. I am safe with my Windows 10 Enterprise (Just like Professional used to mean something, The Enterprise version has now picked up where the old pro version left off.)
 
gimp said:
either that, or he's a 1%'er that purchased Software Assurance for himself.



Well you have 10 years to find out, since LTSB is supported for 10 years.
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LOL! I am hardly anywhere close to what trendies like to call a 1%er! But it is not exactly un-affordable! If you remember back in the day XP cost around $200, So $260 was not much of a difference, I know it's a insane amount to pay! But for me it's worth it! You can disable all the crap! There is zero metro! The boot time is even faster that Windows 8.1. And my average FPS is about 15% better, And FPS dips are very rare. My CPU usage is down about 10% Gaming is flawless! They should make a Windows 10 gaming version similar to this build! But they like to spy so much they never will!
 
MrGuvernment said:
But of course the LTSB builds can still get security and critical updates normally..
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I've been using W10 LTSB (more than a bit modified) for a month. It is a nice setup, and games great. You'll need to get the Win Media Player pack to do things like MTP and PTP with smartphones. You can also install the Win7 Windows Games like Freecell and Minesweeper and so on. The W10 LTSB releases should be what Windows is about. Something reliable, with minimal cruft, that works and gets out of the way. Not spying, remote uninstalling of random apps because, and loading WinRT YouTwitFace apps, and ads.

Very usable and functional. Too bad for consumers it is locked behind the Enterprise banner and the only way to get it for anything more than 3 months is less-than-legal channels.
 
TCM2 said:
No sympathy at all for Microsoft from me. They brought this to themselves.
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They really... Really.... Really.... Really.... Did I say "Really", yet?...Did.

If W10 consumer-side ever gets some wiz-bang feature I might consider installing it...but the odds of that are very small, especially given how they stripped things out people wanted and added crap no one wants...and that arguably only Microsoft profits from (by selling user data to the highest bidder).



Google Windows 10 LTSB Privacy Edition. It is all I will say.
 
MSIGTX650Ti said:
LOL! I am hardly anywhere close to what trendies like to call a 1%er! But it is not exactly un-affordable! If you remember back in the day XP cost around $200, So $260 was not much of a difference, I know it's a insane amount to pay! But for me it's worth it! You can disable all the crap! There is zero metro! The boot time is even faster that Windows 8.1. And my average FPS is about 15% better, And FPS dips are very rare. My CPU usage is down about 10% Gaming is flawless! They should make a Windows 10 gaming version similar to this build! But they like to spy so much they never will!
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I was being facetious ;)
SA is not cheap.
 
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