Microsoft Accused Of Releasing 'Worst Patch Yet' For Windows 10

Pieter3dnow said:
Simple solution to the Ed Bott and Windows 10 problems :) it is so simple:
Install Linux
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And the ironic thing about this is that most of this issue has to do with software, namely Microsoft Office, that doesn't even run natively under Linux. And sure, Libre Office. Because that's 100% compatible with everything that Microsoft Office can do and a document would never get screwed up. And the updates work 100% of the time.

And sure there will be people that say that this is true. And then there will be people that say that Libre Office screws everything up. So what did going to Linux achieve any more conclusively that what people say about Windows on the Internets?
 
When I saw the topic I just kinda mentally removed the "Worst Patch Yet" part and saw it instead as:

Microsoft Accused Of Releasing Windows 10
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which to me is vastly more representative of the situation. ;)
 
ClariorHincHonos said:
So these articles aside, MS has done an absolute shit job of QA on patches lately. Our organization has had to scramble to pull 2-3 bad patches in the last couple of months. Gettin' tired of your bullshit MS.
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I don't think I had a problem with this latest update, but I did 1 or 2 months ago and I had some issues with a 7 or 8 patch (optional as I recall) patch earlier this year. In both cases I rolled back, which I don't recall having to do in the last few years.
 
MS put a patch a couple weeks ago that would cause Outlook 2010 to get stuck in safe mode. One side effect was that the preview pane was effectively disabled by this.

Nastier, a few weeks before that, they also put out a patch that caused any emails formatted as HTML to instantly hang the client.

A++ QA.

How either those can even get past testing, I don't know.
 
Updated windows 10 today on one HDD, it removed Speccy because it thought it was bad for my computer.

This is getting pretty ridiculous. I also had the search removed from the task bar but it's back now.

Microshill really is going all out. Can't really complain too much about the free OS though. I like win7 and 8.1 just fine and could go back any time. The task manager is the best part of win 10 to me. If i could get exactly that same task manager on win7 or 8.1 i'd consider switching back.
 
bbqrooster said:
Oh wow, not one comment actually is on the said Windows 10 "buggy" update, or on the infoworld article. Instead it's all personal attach on Ed Bott.
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He brings it on himself. He's been a MS Bot for years and years, and everyone knows it. He doesn't even try to hide it.
 
I see. It's ok to lose your settings as long as it's update B, not update A that loses them. Logical.
 
I don't mind the windows 10. I will upgrade once I stop seeing several machines a day come in for repair with their windows 10 OS blown out. Hopefully they get it under control soon.
 
Kardonxt said:
I don't mind the windows 10. I will upgrade once I stop seeing several machines a day come in for repair with their windows 10 OS blown out. Hopefully they get it under control soon.
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Talk about overblown and exaggerated. Thankfully, I see nothing of the sort and when it something does occur, it can be because of a old pieced of OEM software or an infection.
 
ManofGod said:
Talk about overblown and exaggerated. Thankfully, I see nothing of the sort and when it something does occur, it can be because of a old pieced of OEM software or an infection.
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It really isn't. I don't mind, we make plenty of money reloading them. It doesn't really matter what the cause is when you can't get into the OS to address it. You can only do so much from the repair console. No way I could install it on my work laptop and risk it not booting or getting stuck in a failed update loop when I'm out in the field.
 
Bowman15 said:
Clicked on the link...Ed Bott...yeah he's unbiased. :rolleyes:

PS: And no I didn't read it. I don't read MS lackey articles.
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That's a shame. Because biased people can actually have the facts on his side. As he does in this case.

There's nothing wrong with bias when openly declared. We're all biased. Some just hide it.
 
Hurin said:
That's a shame. Because biased people can actually have the facts on his side. As he does in this case.

There's nothing wrong with bias when openly declared. We're all biased. Some just hide it.
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Agreed, we're all biased to some extent about something. Though I do think that often people are accused of bias and it's not necessarily true. I'm using Windows 10 on a dozen devices and not having any difficultly. I can't use Windows 7 on the tablets and hybrids without losing significant functionality. Multiple monitor support in 10 is much better.
 
mi7chy said:
Seems like you don't use Windows that much. Everyone I know does windows+r then put in 'calc'. If they run it often enough they make a shortcut. Even the other way it shows the desktop version on top. On 10, only one calc shows up on search and it runs in desktop but probably because I unpinned all the metro apps from start menu. So, it goes back to why the lazy stick with 7.
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You respond, yet ignore his question.
 
socK said:
MS put a patch a couple weeks ago that would cause Outlook 2010 to get stuck in safe mode. One side effect was that the preview pane was effectively disabled by this.

Nastier, a few weeks before that, they also put out a patch that caused any emails formatted as HTML to instantly hang the client.

A++ QA.

How either those can even get past testing, I don't know.
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They fired most of their QA last year didn't they?
 
From the sidelines all I can see, that there are significantly more horror stories with windows 10, than ever was with 8 or 8.1. All kinds of problems with updating and hardware not functioning properly. I don'T even have to care about the spying and forced updates to know W10, is a no no. At least for the time being. But if ms pushes a bad update every few months it'll never be the way to go.
 
The new update is eating my wireless network drivers, I've had to reinstall them twice because windows wouldn't find any wifi connections.
 
Ive just started using windows 10 over the last 2 days, first time using windows since 7. I am really impressed actually, guess i haven't had this update yet though.
 
Ranulfo said:
They fired most of their QA last year didn't they?
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Yup, one of the changes the new Microsoft CEO made was to fire much of the QA staff. It used to be that per developer there were about 2-3 QA members. Now it's more of a 1:1 ratio, and apparently it's showing.

If there's anything I know as a senior software developer, it is that most developers cannot be trusted to test their own software.
 
Elledan said:
If there's anything I know as a senior software developer, it is that most developers cannot be trusted to test their own software.
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You can't test software with the same mindset that you used to make it. It's not a flaw, it's fact. There is no way to think of all the ways how users without knowledge of the inner workings of the software, will abuse it.
 
heatlesssun said:
And the ironic thing about this is that most of this issue has to do with software, namely Microsoft Office, that doesn't even run natively under Linux. And sure, Libre Office. Because that's 100% compatible with everything that Microsoft Office can do and a document would never get screwed up. And the updates work 100% of the time.

And sure there will be people that say that this is true. And then there will be people that say that Libre Office screws everything up. So what did going to Linux achieve any more conclusively that what people say about Windows on the Internets?
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Personally I've never been in the came that said Libre office screwed things up, though I have heard those people. I just find it flatly inferior to MS Office if you actually know how to use MS office at a moderately advanced level. Free office alternatives are fine for those with extremely basic needs. And yea I know you and I have had this conversation in the past, just reiterating for those that don't understand the differences.
 
M76 said:
You can't test software with the same mindset that you used to make it. It's not a flaw, it's fact. There is no way to think of all the ways how users without knowledge of the inner workings of the software, will abuse it.
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I will agree on the notion that one needs to be able to switch mindsets when testing code. Some people can however switch mindsets like that.

In my job I'm currently responsible for the development and testing for a crucial software component in an embedded system used by a large company in their systems throughout the world. This means that I'm both a developer and the sole QA person on this software before it's shipped for integration into the final product.

I personally find it relatively easy to switch between the 'make things better' and the 'how can I turn this software into a smoking pile of slag' mode. Both come with their own challenges, but also their own types of fun :)

Based upon the piles of excrement I see produced elsewhere by other developers, I am however painfully aware that I'm the exception, not the rule. Heck, I even like writing end-user-friendly documentation.
 
Elledan said:
Yup, one of the changes the new Microsoft CEO made was to fire much of the QA staff. It used to be that per developer there were about 2-3 QA members. Now it's more of a 1:1 ratio, and apparently it's showing.

If there's anything I know as a senior software developer, it is that most developers cannot be trusted to test their own software.
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I agree, but the key is how good are the QA people. I've worked with QA where I basically have to tell them how to test my code, which was pointless, because I'd already tested the code my way. They need to test it from an outside perspective.

That said, I've never had more than one QA person assigned to a feature/patch that I've written. When I worked with solid QA people, 1 was enough. And under the current scenario, 1 isn't enough, but doubling them wouldn't help if they don't understand how to test features/processes beyond what I've already done
 
nilepez said:
I agree, but the key is how good are the QA people. I've worked with QA where I basically have to tell them how to test my code, which was pointless, because I'd already tested the code my way. They need to test it from an outside perspective.

That said, I've never had more than one QA person assigned to a feature/patch that I've written. When I worked with solid QA people, 1 was enough. And under the current scenario, 1 isn't enough, but doubling them wouldn't help if they don't understand how to test features/processes beyond what I've already done
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Absolutely. It's not about quantity, but quality. Both for developers and QA people. I'm not sure who got fired among the MSFT QA staff and who got to stay, or what the quality of the people who got to stay is. Much of it is completely opaque to the outside world.

It's clear, however, that good developers and QA people are invaluable.

To be fair, I do think that developers should be able to test their own code, and that QA is just there to kick the tyres from an outsider perspective, finding issues where you hadn't thought of to look before.
 
So far, I myself have not yet tried Windows 10. Here and there I've read that some people have problems, but since time usually turns out that they still want to use their favorite Windows 7 and that it is already on the list that would replace most that like Microsoft (M$FT), I'd say if there were fundamental general problems, then much more would the H forum have been written about it, but to me except for isolated cases nothing is noticed. There were already more problems with the window management and presentation of GUIs, but less with the spying backend.
 
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