Eizo Foris FS2735 with 144Hz IPS Panel, FreeSync and Blur Reduction

Is this really 60hz on Freesync?:(
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Falkentyne said:
You left out the Benq XL2720Z with V4 firmware.

TRUE successor to a CRT with 60hz-144hz single strobed blur reduction (V4 added an AMA low mode which was undocumented and not in the other blur reduction 1.0 Z monitors for some reason even in V4).
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I wish BenQ would release a display using one of these new IPS panels.
Though they're fast, even the best TN panels are poor quality.

ChronoZX said:
Is this really 60hz on Freesync?:(
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That could be due to the shutter speed of the camera, rather than motion blur on the display.
There's no EXIF data embedded in the photo to confirm either way.
 
Nice lookin monitors! Just bought a cheap korean panel to hold me over until all these technologies get straight, and cheap.
 
Kind of odd that everyone keeps calling this an IPS panel, rather than "IPS type" or AHVA. Even the EIZO manual specifically says "IPS".

Could it be possible that this is a new LG panel and not AUO?
 
Doubtful, but possible.

The refresh range of 56 - 144hz is really similar to a user that through driver modification achieved a 60 - 144hz freesync range on their MG279Q:

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041987545&postcount=16

That lends some credence to it being the same AUO panel. I'd be thrilled to be wrong though, we need another panel manufacturer entering this market.
 
And ............STILL No mention of whether blur reduction can be used at the same time as freesync or what refresh rates the blur reduction works at.....
 
Falkentyne said:
And ............STILL No mention of whether blur reduction can be used at the same time as freesync or what refresh rates the blur reduction works at.....
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You won't be able to use Blur Reduction with FreeSync.
The two technologies are inherently incompatible with one another.

Theoretically you could do it with significantly brighter backlights and tight control over not only the strobe duration, but also the strobe brightness, but that would be a major selling point for any display which achieves this.
If you used Blur Reduction (strobing) with Variable Refresh Rates without being able to adjust the strobe brightness, the display would get brighter/dimmer as your framerate gets higher/lower.
 
Then why isn't this mentioned in the manual on their website? The Benq (XL2730Z) manual says clearly that blur reduction is not available in freesync mode. The Eizo manual mentions nothing about this.

I called Eizo on the phone asking about this. They said they will get back to me on Monday as that was a 'very interesting question.'
 
Vittra said:
Doubtful, but possible.

The refresh range of 56 - 144hz is really similar to a user that through driver modification achieved a 60 - 144hz freesync range on their MG279Q:

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041987545&postcount=16

That lends some credence to it being the same AUO panel. I'd be thrilled to be wrong though, we need another panel manufacturer entering this market.
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One user reported he had reached 57-144hz on the MG279Q, which is the within the range supported by the LFC feature. I'm glad the Eizo will be able to do this out of the box, though now the lower Freesync range is obsolete
 
Does anyone have any info on when this will be available? The only info I can find is some stuff from several months ago that said December 2015.
 
When I contacted Eizo distributor/seller here in the GTA (Ontario, Canada) in early November, they had no information from Eizo, other than "Winter". Eizo themselves never bothered to respond to my email.
 
boys and girls is out.
998 euro on promotion here were i live...:D
tempted soooo tempted.
 
Can buy 2-3 MG279Q for the price of this monitor. Yet there is nothing standing out about it, except that I like it's more neutral design. Two free sync ranges can't really be convenient compared to one that covers the whole range.
 
Mackan said:
Can buy 2-3 MG279Q for the price of this monitor. Yet there is nothing standing out about it, except that I like it's more neutral design. Two free sync ranges can't really be convenient compared to one that covers the whole range.
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Find another monitor on the market that can do *60hz* and *90hz* and 100hz blur reduction (without needing an Nvidia card) and has all of the image adjusting and processing features and gaming settings of this monitor, then get back to me. None of the Gsync monitors can do what this monitor can do. And only the older Benq blur reduction monitors before the XL2730Z can strobe at all refresh rates properly.

And no, the XL2730Z does not. Unlike the older XL2720Z, it can't strobe lower than 120hz (if you try it goes badly out of sync and is unusable). And it's TN.
 
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It says blur reduction can be used at 120hz or higher but Eizo emailed someone saying it can be used at 60hz. I hope someone actually finds out what refresh rates it works at.
 
zone74 said:
So the feature is worthless then.
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it can be used at 60, 100, 120 and 144Hz according to TFTCentral so no, not worthless at all. unless for some reason it doesn't work properly, but thats yet to be confirmed with their tests
 
Drags said:
it can be used at 60, 100, 120 and 144Hz according to TFTCentral so no, not worthless at all. unless for some reason it doesn't work properly, but thats yet to be confirmed with their tests
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Double strobe means you'll get double-images when anything moves.
It's worse than not using strobing at all.

igluk said:
How will it look then, like this? http://i.imgur.com/4bMrmQR.png
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Yep, just like that.
 
Drags said:
Double strobe only applies at 60hz though
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Well I hope that's true, because the previous Foris monitor double-flashed at 120Hz as well.
But this still means that the Blur Reduction feature is probably only useful at 120Hz, since double-strobing means double-images. That really limits when you can use it, since it means that you need to sustain a constant 120 FPS.
I really don't understand why BenQ are the only company with a single-strobe option that works at any refresh rate the monitor will sync to.
 
The Foris FG2421 didn't do a PURE double strobe at 120hz.
Yes it strobed twice, but the first strobe was a long strobe, followed by a shorter strobe in the same refresh interval. I'm guessing this reduced strobe crosstalk over a pure single strobe (in which the crosstalk would be directly tied to the persistence response times of the panel), as strobe crosstalk will ALWAYS Be higher at higher refresh rates, since the pixels have even less time to settle if the refresh rate is faster. Since this was a VA panel, crosstalk might have been excessive if a pure single strobe were done, without some sort of accelerated scanout (ala Lightboost mode) or emulated accelerated scanout by increasing the vertical blanking period.

Since this is an IPS panel, a long + short strobe at 120hz might no longer be needed. I guess we'll find out huh?
 
Here is the big tftcentral review:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/eizo_foris_fs2735.htm

Very good overall, but for that price and due to the Eizo track record, they really should have implemented an A-TW polarizer.
But I'm afraid that was up to AUO, and Eizo didn't bother ordering and assembling the barebones CELL version of the panel.
Imagine if it was glow-free, many would have ditched their other 144hz AHVA monitors for that :p

Strobing at 144hz works at up to 180cd/m², very good result. But it's going to be hard holding that framerate it many games.
Double strobe at 60hz effect is also recorded - it is not quite as bad as the image I posted above (its from a Television) but the author says it is still impractical.
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Noticeable flicker and twice halved brightness aside, at least an option for single strobe would have been nice.

There is also a bug where you have to enter the display's admin menu to be able to access Blur Reduction when a FreeSync capable GPU is installed.
And due to the overdrive control there is also noticeable overshoot at the Enhanced setting below ~100fps, and at the Standard setting there is some trailing at high frame rates.
So if you play a game with strongly varying framerate at the 56-144hz Freesync range you would've to switch between the two modes to get an optimal experience.

That sounded a bit negative now, but otherwise the review is very positive and the display performs well overall. ;)
 
So does that mean that whole famous "solution" to freesync ghosting was making smaller frequency range and then just choosing something in the middle to optimize for?

And that's why we have displays with two freesync ranges ?
 
If anyone actually buys this monitor:

Can you test whether *custom* refresh rates work on it, like oddball refresh rates via custom detailed resolutions, like 85hz or 75hz, 90hz or even 61 hz?

And whether blur reduction works at all at these oddball refresh rates and whether it would double or single strobe at them?

Ignoring the XL2730Z, the Benq blur reduction monitors would double strobe at EDID identified 60hz, 75hz and 85hz refresh rates (85hz would have to created as a custom) and would single strobe at 100hz-144hz, unless single strobe were forcibly enabled in the service menu for 60-90hz strobing. At odd refresh rates (like 91hz, 80hz, etc), the monitor would single strobe with bizarre, undesired presets if single strobe were set to off (like, strobe duty 020 and strobe phase 040) with no ability to change duty and phase, and would single strobe with proper changeable settings if SS were enabled
 
Is this display going to have the TCON artifacts like the Acer and the PG278Q? Or are they limited to TN?

Otherwise, some dark environment pics of the corner glow would be appreciated :)
 
I don´t really get why Eizo did not make a G-Sync version of this, seeing as it is already so expensive. Unless the quality control is a lot better, I does seem a bit overpriced compared to the Asus PG279Q.
 
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Honestly, if it had a G-Sync module I would consider buying one. I've had Eizo monitors for the last 3 years and absolutely love the build quality and styling. All the other 144 Hz IPS monitors have outlandish bezels that are hard for me to look past. I'll keep my eyes on this monitor, because if nvidia ever adopts Freesync (yeah right) or AMD takes the performance crown it seems like a great monitor for my uses.
 
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