PS4 for a 780 Lighting

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tylertoast

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Good trade?
It'd be a massive upgrade from a 770 that I have in my current build right now, along with the fact that it kind of helps a shit-ton with my 3 monitor setup.

(please dont bash me about having a 770 with 3 monitors, I know it was a big mistake :D)

Just looking for advise, i've had my PS4 on craigslist for about a month now for $300 (would post on hardforum but my post count is too low.)

Just looking for some insight, along with the fact is a 780 lighting that much better then a regular 780.
 
tylertoast said:
Good trade?
It'd be a massive upgrade from a 770 that I have in my current build right now, along with the fact that it kind of helps a shit-ton with my 3 monitor setup.

(please dont bash me about having a 770 with 3 monitors, I know it was a big mistake :D)

Just looking for advise, i've had my PS4 on craigslist for about a month now for $300 (would post on hardforum but my post count is too low.)

Just looking for some insight, along with the fact is a 780 lighting that much better then a regular 780.
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The 780 Lightning is a really great card, one of the 2 best 780's made IMO. I ran 2 of them in SLI when I had 3 x 1920x1200 monitors, one 780 is still a bit light for triples. Sale value on one is around $220 or so. IMO, a good air cooled 290x would be a better choice for a 3 monitor setup.
 
Have you thought about SLi 770GTX ? I have one I need to sell ..MSI Twin Froz 770GTX 4Gb which I was thinking $145
 
I think im going to do it, he said he would throw in $50 on top of the 780, still has a 2 year warrenty.

Better then my PS4, and it wont collect (nearly) as much dust.
 
It's no steal, but certainly not a bad deal considering you're also trying to offload a PS4 around such a hectic time. I also say do it.
 
I have a Lightning right now and its a beastly card. Make sure you get the one with Hynix memory though.

I've read through overclock.net 780 Lightning thread and the average OC for the card is in the 1280-1300 Mhz on the core. To get the most from that you need good memory clocks as well and that's where Hynix comes in.
 
Samsung makes the best memory chips, followed by Hynix, with Elpida at the bottom.
 
n=1 said:
Samsung makes the best memory chips, followed by Hynix, with Elpida at the bottom.
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This. Every single Maxwell card that launched with 7 GHz GDDR5 EDIT: in the first six months used Samsung chips.

AMD cards tend to use slower clocked ram, typically 5-6 GHz. This allows OEMs the ability to source cheaper parts from Hynix and Elpida , to make up for the larger number of memory dies.
 
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I have a 780 Lightning that I'm not using. About to put it on Craig's list.
 
I don't really think it is worth it. If you value the PS4 at $300 then that is basically the price for a new GTX 970 or R9 390. I would not hesitate to pick either one of those over a used GTX 780.

defaultluser said:
This. Every single Maxwell card that launched with 7 GHz GDDR5 used Samsung chips.

AMD cards tend to use slower clocked ram, typically 5-6 GHz. This allows OEMs the ability to source cheaper parts from Hynix and Elpida , to make up for the larger number of memory dies.
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Both Hynix and Elpida have 7ghz chips and are used on Nvidia cards.

Nvidia's highest end the reference Titan X and 980ti reviewed at launch by TPU both used Hynix-
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/6.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980_Ti/6.html
 
limitedaccess said:
I don't really think it is worth it. If you value the PS4 at $300 then that is basically the price for a new GTX 970 or R9 390. I would not hesitate to pick either one of those over a used GTX 780.



Both Hynix and Elpida have 7ghz chips and are used on Nvidia cards.

Nvidia's highest end the reference Titan X and 980ti reviewed at launch by TPU both used Hynix-
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/6.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980_Ti/6.html
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You're right about the 980 Ti that was launched much later in the life of Maxwell.

BUT ALL EARLIER CARDS USED SAMSUNG EXCLUSIVELY. GTX 960, 970, 980!

This implies that Samsung ram had a 7 month lead on Hynix on providing mass quantities at the desired 7 GHz. Which would back my earlier claim of Samsung's superiority.

And it doesn't change my observation about AMD's memory clocks either. Lower speed means you can buy whatever ram you can scrounge. But if you check out the launch of the R9 285 (same time period), NONE were using Samsung. They were all Elpida 6GHz modules.
 
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I don't really agree you can assert company superiority simply due to lead time much less that indicates similarly rated products will be superior.

Whether or not which is better well there is anecdotal evidence to suggest the Samsung's tend to overclock higher. Otherwise I don't have much (really any information) or even having pricing data to make any assertions on why one is sourced over the other.

Strictly speaking the GTX 770 used Samsung and the GTX 780ti (although it's a bit interesting that for both Kepler and Maxwell Nvidia used Hynix for their high SKU for 7ghz, TItna Black was Hynix as well) used Hynix for a 5-6month in shipping GPUs. However I think Hynix actually announced 7ghz GDDR5 production earlier then Samsung (2008 vs 2009 respectively). In either case though 7ghz GDDR5 has been out for quite awhile and not just for Maxwell.
 
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though 7ghz GDDR5 has been out for quite awhile and not just for Maxwell.
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Point taken. I forgot about the 700 series! I mistakenly thought the 900 series was the first to ship 7 GHz GDDR5 in mass quantities.

Its curious that they split the launch 50/50 between Hynix and Samsung, but then followed-up that with three Samsung-only launches in a row?

Were they dissatisfied with the reliability or quantities Hynix could deliver? Or were the prices from Samsung just that much better?
 
I'm almost certain switching from Samsung to Hynix was for cost cutting. (GM200 requires either 12 or 24 GDDR5 chips, whereas GM204 tops out at 8) If Samsung had a superior product AND was cheaper, who in their right mind would use inferior Hynix or Elpida chips?

Main advantage Samsung has over Hynix is tighter timings, which is why even when overclocked to the same speed, GPUs with Samsung chips tend to perform slightly better.
 
I was actually going to come back and say it would be interesting if people started pulling timing data from the bios.

As a side note I'm wondering whether or not the media and community should be more diligent in calling out the issue of hardware revision changes for graphics cards and motherboards compared to initial review samples. This was an issue that was raised with SSDs and silent NAND changes but this type of issue has been ongoing for much longer with both graphics cards and mother boards.

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Point taken. I forgot about the 700 series! I mistakenly thought the 900 series was the first to ship 7 GHz GDDR5 in mass quantities.

Its curious that they split the launch 50/50 between Hynix and Samsung, but then followed-up that with three Samsung-only launches in a row?

Were they dissatisfied with the reliability or quantities Hynix could deliver? Or were the prices from Samsung just that much better?
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It's really just going to be speculative on our end. We sometimes have them switching memory suplier back and forth during product life. Or we even have multiple memory suppliers launch at once, I think people were receiving Hawaii boards with either Samsung, Hynix or Elpida?

Could just be the spot pricing and supply contract at that time.
 
I have a 290X that is called New Edition that has Samsung memory running at 1350Mhz which I think was the last of the new 290X's before the 300 line up came out.
 
an 780ti is not worth it for a PS4. I would sell the PS4 on ebay and the 770 for at least a 390 or a 970/980ti
 
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