Windows 10: Upgrade Now or Upgrade Tonight

mnewxcv said:
expect a large number of new windows 10 users soon because of this trick.
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most people are either too lazy or don't even know how to install an OS. for them computers are magic.

Stiler said:
Why do I feel like I'm the only one who's never got this?

I'm on windows 7 and never once have I seen anything about windows 10 in my updates nor icon bar.
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your computer may be part of a domain.
 
Stiler said:
Why do I feel like I'm the only one who's never got this?

I'm on windows 7 and never once have I seen anything about windows 10 in my updates nor icon bar.
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I have one win 7 and one win 8 machine left, I don't get these at all.
 
I liked Windows 10 after upgraded all my computers from 7 and 8. It is great and app integration like Facebook etc is even better. What are you waiting for?
 
I haven't noticed anything terribly aggressive on my Win 7 VM.
 
Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks.
 
WetMacula said:
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this batch file will remove the update nagging and the telemetry KBs from windows 7/8
 
mnewxcv said:
expect a large number of new windows 10 users soon because of this trick.
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Yup. It's like when they switched the nagware KB from optional to recommended because the adoption rate was already falling rapidly. They're getting desperate, they've lost public interest and Windows 10 is flopping.

Way to go Microsoft. Probably should have paid a bit more attention to real users rather than paying people to astroturf social media about how great your shit is. We're not stupid.
 
My windows 10 PC was running great until a forced update last month and then is started crash rebooting at night when idle. I think I have it figured out now, but man these forced updates are such a bad idea.

I should have an easy option to prevent auto updates. I will probably have to hack the registry to break updates and keep my system stable.
 
I did not get any of this nag stuff yet on any of my machines.

Probably because they're running Linux. :D
 
Like the old joke: do you want to get beaten up now or later?
 
It's naggy and annoying to get harassed by Microsoft. If you read MSN and use IE11 on Win7, you get badgered with popups about Windows 10. When they first started that, those popups were giving the same "Upgrade Now" or "Upgrade Later" option with the second one doing junk to your computer to get it ready for Win10. Personally, I wouldn't mind 10 at all since it's not really a bad compromise UI to help Microsoft get back to making good desktop operating systems and ease the few people that did move to 8 and 8.1 back into a workable computing model again over time, but the very tight-lipped thing with what's in the various data mining things Microsoft is doing, exactly what each setting will report when it's on or off, and them turning stuff back on again during updates is far enough over to creepy line for me to be like, "See? I said this was gonna happen back when Windows 8 came out and I was totally right for getting ready to switch over to Linux back then!"

Anyway, since I deleted the folder with the GWX executable inside of it and removed GWX registry keys, I totally haven't been nagged by updates on my netbook with Win7 Pro, but I don't use it much and it's been working mostly with it's wifi NIC disabled so it stays off the Internet until I need to VPN out for work. That happens like almost never and I've been really satisfied with Linux for anything I really need on my other netbook. So yeah, as long as you disconnect your computer, delete the GWX junk, and keep the automatic updates stuff turned off, you'd be okay on 7.

I just hope they leave their previous customers alone because they're not exactly helping by being so pushy. Earlier this week, I was helping a grandparent aged person setup a new printer (ugh, I hate getting roped into that stuff, but it was a favor to a friend so...you know...meh) and even this very tech clueless guy had heard that Windows 10 was bad news from other people so he was avoiding it on his Win7 laptop. I was actually really surprised the telemetry/data mining and pushy upgrade thing has spread that far out of the tech community that clueless rural people are talking about it and are Windows 10 adverse. It's weirdness, but it looks like Microsoft has damaged it's corporate image very broadly by doing whatever they're doing.
 
Red Squirrel said:
I did not get any of this nag stuff yet on any of my machines.
Probably because they're running Linux. :D
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Ha, here something funny.
I built a new PC for my wife when she stared a new job working from home. OS is Xubuntu 10.04. This was her first time using a linux desktop OS and after she got the feel of it; she really likes it.
In her previous job they converted company wide to Libre Office the year before; so she was pleased that Libre office was an the office suite.
She has had 0% computer issues of any kind; no slowness, no instability, nothing you can honestly say it was PC problem. The company provided her a new laptop with Win 8.1 loaded. She tried to use it and put it down deeming it absolute crap. The whole OS is unintuitive and confusing.

Now this is amazing. She really isn't a "computer person". She had never used linux on the desktop before this but quickly prefers it over MS recent offering in an OS. Before this MS windows was all she knew.

To say that Microsoft has "lost their way" is an understatement. IF they cannot hold on to the "not so savvy" computer users how do they expect to hold on to computer professionals?
This latest thing with Win10; and DEMANDING you upgrade is going to turn a lot of people off completely.
 
Red Squirrel said:
I did not get any of this nag stuff yet on any of my machines.

Probably because they're running Linux. :D
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That's nice but, some of us actually have to get some work done with our computers. However, having Linux in a virtual machine is helpful for the few times I may need it.
 
jhatfie said:
.... I'd consider the upgrade if Microsoft had not killed Media Center in Windows 10. So it appears I am sticking with 8.1 forever or at least until I find a solution that allows me to watch encrypted cable channels through my HTPC other than MC.
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Same here. Besides my main rig, I've have 3 Micro PC's utilizing Windows Media Center throughout our home with 3 HDHomeRun tuners online. We "cut the cable" 10+ years ago and use Media Center extensively for our DVR, TV, and other entertainment needs. I've also customized it with Media Browser that pulls my DVD collection from my old Windows Home Server 2003. If it ain't broke, why fix it? ... Now that Media Center is going away with Windows 10, I don't know what our future holds. Hopefully the new HDHomeRun DVR will breed a new and much better program, or Microsoft decides to implement Media Center back into windows in a 2.0 or a "media center" edition.
 
when a company tries to push a product THIS hard I always suspect that there is something wrong with it. It's just too aggressive and not normal.
 
Pringals said:
Same here. Besides my main rig, I've have 3 Micro PC's utilizing Windows Media Center throughout our home with 3 HDHomeRun tuners online. We "cut the cable" 10+ years ago and use Media Center extensively for our DVR, TV, and other entertainment needs. I've also customized it with Media Browser that pulls my DVD collection from my old Windows Home Server 2003. If it ain't broke, why fix it? ... Now that Media Center is going away with Windows 10, I don't know what our future holds. Hopefully the new HDHomeRun DVR will breed a new and much better program, or Microsoft decides to implement Media Center back into windows in a 2.0 or a "media center" edition.
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Ditto.
FWIW I tried Plex premium as it was communicated that this was FAR superior to MCE...wrong. Sure the metadata on everything was spectacular however the application on the HTPC was laggy and buggy(selected folders / shows not getting highlighted indicating the user selection) so back to MCE for me. Its simple fast and intuitive and both kid and wife friendly.
 
DF-1 said:
when a company tries to push a product THIS hard I always suspect that there is something wrong with it. It's just too aggressive and not normal.
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Same. I mean I am on Windows 10 although I have purged it and blocked it to best of my abilities (including Peerblock running 24/7) but since I keep seeing news like this the alarm bells keep ringing in my head. Microsoft is WAY TOO aggressive in the way they try to make people install it. I would say its borders desperation. Everything about this situation makes me smell a rat.

Might go back to Windows 7 just because of this.
 
ManofGod said:
That's nice but, some of us actually have to get some work done with our computers. However, having Linux in a virtual machine is helpful for the few times I may need it.
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Well, that's prolly not a feeling based in facts, but in personal bias and a desire to be inflammatory in the usual, "I feel threatened by someone else's opinion" way. Windows is much more commonplace, sure, but that also means that a lot more systems (percentage wise - not raw numbers) are used for non-work things like internet browsing, games, movies, and other tasks that aren't productivity-related or number-crunchy. Linux is lots more niche-ish and I'd be a lot more inclined to think that the people using it are leveraging it for compute-intensive tasks, enterprise web services, and other junk like that. Yes, you can use it for all the casual junk that Windows computers end up doing in homes (I know because that list of things like web browsing and stuff are things that happen regularly on my Linux computer), but Linux does get assigned to a lot of heavy-lifting type computing scenarios. Also, even in business productivity settings, Linux has the necessary software support to operate in an office setting -- just ask China about that.
 
I'm curious if the data collection being performed is encrypted when sent to Microsoft? Are they opening a VPN tunnel to all Windows 10 PCs?
 
Stiler said:
Why do I feel like I'm the only one who's never got this?

I'm on windows 7 and never once have I seen anything about windows 10 in my updates nor icon bar.
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I got an email telling me about the free upgrade, but yeah, never so much as had a blip on my radar that says to install it.
 
westrock2000 said:
This is really fucked up for those with TechNet serial numbers.

Because when it installs to Windows 10, your "10 Activations" retail key, just became locked to that computer.

This is not good!
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Thanks, man, I was concerned about this but never really took any time to look it up since I'm not in a rush to update.
 
Stardocks Windows Blinds 10 is in Beta not totally sure how to get a copy but it sure beats
the heck out of the default skin.
 
Stiler said:
Why do I feel like I'm the only one who's never got this?

I'm on windows 7 and never once have I seen anything about windows 10 in my updates nor icon bar.
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Did you use the same key on multiple computers?

I have three Windows machines. Two with unique keys, and one that I shared with a friend.

The unique keys upgraded to Windows 10, but the shared key never got the offer.

What makes me laugh is, apparently they realize I'm running a key on two computers at the same time, and they still say both are "Genuine, Activated." But they're drawing the line at free upgrades :D
 
Read in my hometown newspaper the other day that the local library is having classes to show people how to install Linux on their computers. A small, very conservative town with not must trust in the Feds or big corporations. That doesn't bode well as these are not tech literate folks by any stretch--that they would prefer free Linux to free Windows.

In years past they offered classes on how to install and use the newest Windows OS. This is the first time I've seen them switching to Linux. The bad news is everywhere if it has made it to the hinterlands of Texas.
 
Microsoft has gone far beyond what was attempted with Internet Explorer in the "United States v. Microsoft Corporation" with Windows 10. Sound familiar:

"Plaintiffs' Joint Proposed Findings of Fact, and the evidence on which they are based, demonstrate that Microsoft has engaged in a broad pattern of unlawful conduct with the purpose and effect of thwarting emerging threats to its powerful and well-entrenched operating system monopoly."

"Microsoft acted quickly to squelch this evolving middleware threat to what it sometimes called its "desktop paradise,""

I think it's time to start up the antitrust investigations anew.
 
ccman said:
I think it's time to start up the antitrust investigations anew.
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Microsoft no longer has an OS monopoly unless you ignore the different kinds of devices OSes that have emerged since the 1980s. It's routinely reported these days that any OS called Windows is only on about 12% of computing devices today.

Beyond that an anti-trust case would be difficult to make in the context of Microsoft using its supposed monopoly power to push one of its products over another one of its products. If they were wiping out Linux installs then that's a case. Also you'd need way more than a few months or a year to compile evidence that Microsoft was disproportionally affecting customers that didn't want the Windows 10 upgrade over those that did. The Microsoft anti-trust case was nearly a decade of big companies complaining. Considering the number of people that I've talked to that had no idea how to upgrade to Windows 10 even with all of this "force", good luck with that.
 
heatlesssun said:
Microsoft no longer has an OS monopoly unless you ignore the different kinds of devices OSes that have emerged since the 1980s. It's routinely reported these days that any OS called Windows is only on about 12% of computing devices today.

Beyond that an anti-trust case would be difficult to make in the context of Microsoft using its supposed monopoly power to push one of its products over another one of its products. If they were wiping out Linux installs then that's a case. Also you'd need way more than a few months or a year to compile evidence that Microsoft was disproportionally affecting customers that didn't want the Windows 10 upgrade over those that did. The Microsoft anti-trust case was nearly a decade of big companies complaining. Considering the number of people that I've talked to that had no idea how to upgrade to Windows 10 even with all of this "force", good luck with that.
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I am only considering desktops, laptops, and 2-in1s. Or lets include all x86 devices. How does Microsoft's operating system share look there? Second, I am not talking about the Windows 10 upgrade, i am talking about all of the apps and services that are built into Windows 10 that make it very difficult for anyone to compete with Microsoft on a level playing field in the Windows ecosystem.

And yes, they should start now. It is going to be a long haul.

The way Microsoft is behaving, they are clearly up to something.
 
heatlesssun said:
Microsoft no longer has an OS monopoly unless you ignore the different kinds of devices OSes that have emerged since the 1980s. It's routinely reported these days that any OS called Windows is only on about 12% of computing devices today.

Beyond that an anti-trust case would be difficult to make in the context of Microsoft using its supposed monopoly power to push one of its products over another one of its products. If they were wiping out Linux installs then that's a case. Also you'd need way more than a few months or a year to compile evidence that Microsoft was disproportionally affecting customers that didn't want the Windows 10 upgrade over those that did. The Microsoft anti-trust case was nearly a decade of big companies complaining. Considering the number of people that I've talked to that had no idea how to upgrade to Windows 10 even with all of this "force", good luck with that.
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I've got to ask then. If you're comparing Windows to the rest of the other 78%, by your numbers, are you honestly saying you could swap Windows for iOS or Android and do
everything on iOS or Android that you can do in Windows? How about even Linux or Mac OS X. I have seen you argue elsewhere that Windows is without peer and you can not replace Windows with Linux or Mac OS X, let alone do on an iPad Pro or a Nexus what you can do on a Surface Pro/Book. I believe you are being disingenuous when you make this argument. Unless you want to say that eating ice cream (Android pun) is the same as eating three to five complete balanced meals.
 
ccman said:
I am only considering desktops, laptops, and 2-in1s. Or lets include all x86 devices. How does Microsoft's operating system share look there?
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Obviously Windows' market share is much higher if one only considers x86 devices. But that wouldn't be a typical anti-trust case, especially not with computing devices today in this world where the smartphone is the new PC and Microsoft's very tiny market share there.

ccman said:
Second, I am not talking about the Windows 10 upgrade, i am talking about all of the apps and services that are built into Windows 10 that make it very difficult for anyone to compete with Microsoft on a level playing field in the Windows ecosystem.
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This doesn't make any sense. What does Windows 10 that makes is harder to provide these things than Windows 7? Indeed if you look at a 3rd party like Netflix they got a new way to provide their service with Windows Store apps and that app is the preferred way according to Microsoft that Windows 10 users access Netflix. I've not used the Netflix website in I don't now how long.

ccman said:
And yes, they should start now. It is going to be a long haul.

The way Microsoft is behaving, they are clearly up to something.
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Good luck with anti-trust case based on "they must be up to something." What they are up to is pretty obvious if you actually use Microsoft's products. It's clear they are trying to create a single platform for all of their devices from PCs to phone to Xbox to HoloLens. Clearly they are trying to promote 2 in 1s as that's the only source of growth in Windows hardware. Clearly they want as many people on Windows 10 to make developing for the universal platform attractive. Clearly they are offering services equivalent to Siri and Google Now, things their competitors had long before them, along with the services integration tied to the leverage of personal data.

There's nothing here that comes anywhere close to the 1998 anti-trust case.
 
How can someone compete with Cortana on Windows? How can someone compete with OneDrive and be as well integrated in Windows? How can someone offer the kind of integration as a Microsoft account in Windows? How can a company advertise their version of Office 365 on Windows? How can an Ad network compete with ads in the Start Menu? I could go on and on.
 
ccman said:
I've got to ask then. If you're comparing Windows to the rest of the other 78%, by your numbers, are you honestly saying you could swap Windows for iOS or Android and do
everything on iOS or Android that you can do in Windows?
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No. But the 1998 anti-trust case was bought in a world where these things didn't exist. So to successfully bring such a case today you have to point out the deficiencies in these OSes that would warrant an anti-trust case. And guess who wouldn't want that besides Microsoft?

ccman said:
How about even Linux or Mac OS X.
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And this is where it get extremely interesting. The hybrid operation of Windows 10, it's integration of the desktop and mobile is the very thing that desktop Linux and OS X don't do, even to the point that Apple said it won't do it with OS X. So let's bring an anti-trust case against a tech that's unique, one in which the company that's now the most valuable company in the world that was about to go bankrupt around 1998 when Microsoft's anti-trust proceedings began says it has no interest in what Microsoft is doing with Windows 10?

While many may not like the changes in Windows 10 the tech world has changed dramatically since 1998.

ccman said:
I have seen you argue elsewhere that Windows is without peer and you can not replace Windows with Linux or Mac OS X, let alone do on an iPad Pro or a Nexus what you can do on a Surface Pro/Book. I believe you are being disingenuous when you make this argument. Unless you want to say that eating ice cream (Android pun) is the same as eating three to five complete balanced meals.
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But here's the thing. I couldn't replace Windows 10 with Windows 7 with the way I use Windows today, not with all of the different kinds of Windows devices I use. Windows 7 would be pointless on my three Surface devices. My main desktop started out with Windows 7 and I could run it there and lose all of the modern apps I use.

Whatever legal action that you think Microsoft should be subjected to, anti-trust isn't it.
 
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it," and "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

The "United States vs. Microsoft Corporation" case is not the only case of anti-trust, and perhaps the parallel is not strong. There are similarities though. Microsoft is not ma' Bell and does not need to be broken into baby Bells, however there is something about Windows 10 that sounds like a phone provider trying to lock the customer into their phones.

Binary thinking is a pattern that has gotten me in trouble in the past. Maybe it has been successful for others. So while others may dig in to the particulars of a case and tear it apart because it doesn't exactly match, I am trying to listen to history and see where it rhymes. And Microsoft certainly sounds like "embrace, extend, and extinguish" with Windows 10.

Microsoft does not bring innovation to the markets. Competition breeds innovation. Windows tablets only started making leaps and bounds after the iPad and Android tablets. The Metro design language came from trying to compete with the iPod. And Windows Phone... is still Windows Phone. Microsoft wants all of your devices to be Windows. Great for a unified experience. Bad for competition. Bad for innovation.
 
heatlesssun said:
What specific language in HIPPA are you referring to? If you're referring to things in Microsoft Services EULA as being in conflict, that's not Windows 10. None of the services in the Services EULA have to be used by Windows 10. When all data sharing options are turned off in non-enterprise versions of Windows 10 and only the basic telemetry is on, no local data is shared with Microsoft according to Microsoft. Sharing of data to ensure that the machine is updated, not running malware, etc. is not in violation of anything in HIPPA that I know of. In fact it's actually kind of a requirement to help insure devices are running properly isn't? Malware defenses, patching and so on?
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While, yes, other versions of Windows are not HIPAA compliant out of the box unless you configure them properly and make sure you have security patches, anti-malware, etc. Windows 10 still sends data back that cannot be verified to be totally scrubbed of PHI, and Microsoft has thus far refused to issue guidelines for making Windows 10 HIPAA compliant (and most of the HIPAA advising groups I have checked with still recommend avoiding Windows 10 like the plague until Microsoft actually puts out guidelines).

The specific issue is with the Windows 10 Privacy Agreement: “We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services.”

This statement specifically applies to the operating system itself, whether or not you have signed up for a Microsoft Account and whether or not you have Cortana, et al enabled. Basically, by using Windows 10, you are agreeing that Microsoft may access any data -- including PHI -- on your computer when they have a "good faith belief that doing so is necessary." Unless your organization can get Microsoft to sign a separate HIPAA vendor agreement regarding the OS itself and agreeing not to divulge any PHI they may encounter, then you are NOT in compliance if you are using the OS. While no actual PHI may get divulged, the issue is that you do not know and cannot actually prove whether or not PHI has been compromised, and you have agreed to a privacy policy that says they CAN access it without your knowledge if they feel they "need" to.

Things get even murkier when you start dealing with things like MS hosted Outlook mail and OneDrive business accounts -- which you CAN get specific vendor agreements with Microsoft regarding that are specifically described as being HIPAA compliant. Unfortunately, whether or not these vendor agreements for a commercial Microsoft Account carry over to the Microsoft Account in Windows 10 is an issue that, to my knowledge, no one has yet found and answer to -- and the standard answers we have been given by Microsoft whenever anyone has asked have thus far always steered us back to getting a separate VL Agreement, purchasing SA for all our machines, and switching over to the Enterprise version of Windows.

Then, add in the fact that, even in Windows 10 Pro, you really can't fully pick & choose which updates get installed -- and, unless you defer updates (which has its own HIPAA ramifications), updates are going to eventually get installed whether you like it or not. The problem here is that some of these updates (notably the first release of TH2) have reset a lot of the data collection/telemetry settings that we had turned off on our test machine back to ON!!! So, even if we are able, in theory, to make Windows 10 relatively compliant by disabling settings, with the Update mechanism as it is now, we can't guarantee that it will stay fixed.

My point is simple, as things stand right now, any organization that deals with PHI that is upgrading to Windows 10 is opening themselves up to a HUGE potential liability. I can't say it's 100% non-compliant and I can't say it can't possibly be made compliant, but there are still enough serious questions and issues that I certainly wouldn't want my butt on the line concerning it.
 
There is an article from Forbes that states:

To understand why Microsoft has embarked upon such an aggressive update strategy you need to realise the importance of Windows 10 to the company’s entire future. In short: everything depends on it.

For all intents and purposes, right now Windows 10 is Microsoft. The operating system is Microsoft’s hail mary at revitalising the struggling PC sector, its troubled mobile devices (Surface is the bright spark here) and even in gaining greater parity in the gaming sector as Windows 10 has become the heart of the Xbox One in an attempt to increase functionality and close the sales gap on the PS4.

But this is just the start because all these factors have knock-on effects. If Microsoft gets Windows 10 onto a billion PCs then it peaks the interest of app developers and the operating system has ‘universal apps’ which can then be used on Windows 10 smartphones and tablets therefore increasing their appeal as well. Ditto the Xbox One. There’s potentially a whole work/play/mobile ecosystem to rival anyone – but for it to work and crucially for it to work as fast as Microsoft wants, it has to be forcibly kickstarted.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonk...opped/?utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix

Since people have moved to other devices, and the PC market has dwindled the past years, Windows 10 has all their eggs in one basket. Like others, I hate the "get windows 10 now" being forced down my throat. On all the Windows OS's, I've always waited at least a year or two before upgrading to the next version. Even with Windows 7, I did not upgrade from XP until XP expired, and Windows 7 was already out for several years.
 
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