Microsoft Sets Stage For Massive Windows 10 Upgrade Strategy

I laughed last weekend when I checked out an in laws old PC, and saw this promotional shit on their desktop. Never mind that if you press the windows upgrade button, the application reports that the video card is unsupported. Perhaps if they check the "compatibility" bit before they set the "bug the ever loving shit out of you" bit, maybe that would make more sense?

One thing I do like: one of my Windows 7 machines has yet to bug me at all about this upgrade. I know because I've upgraded all my other machines except this one. Then I remembered: I shared the key with a buddy of mine when he needed a new PC. Apparently two simultaneous PCs with the same key is not enough to trigger the non-genuine flag, but is enough to make me ineligible for an upgrade :D

I'll just wait until 2020 then. In the meantime, it is NICWE to not get bombarded with upgrade crap. I highly recommend oversubscribing your key for those of you who want to stop these annoyances!
 
ManofGod said:
Thank you for reminding me it was patch Tuesday. There is a cumulative update on Windows 10 that I am installing as I type this. I have no issues with Windows 10 and think it is a fantastic OS and in fact, Flight Simulator 10 does work on it. However, if you have something that does not work on it or need Media Center, than I can see this possibly being annoying.
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Most of the patches today are for Office and Outlook.
 
You won't really appreciate Windows 10 until you've used it on a touch screen device but even without there are still useful features like the snap multitasking that's carried over from 8.1. After liking what I see running 10 on the Surface Pro 4 I upgraded one of my workstations from 8.1 to 10. Upgrade went smooth and took less than an hour. Overall, 10 > 8.1 > 7 since it's a better fusion of desktop and mobile. Only thing is there are more features so it takes more resources so if you're on a device with < 4GB it's probably better to stick with the lighter 8.1.
 
Disturbing.
That they would do this, MS are a disgrace.
And that no governing body has challenged them.
 
Ur_Mom said:
Dick move by Microsoft. I get the push to upgrade, but this is very pushy car salesman tactic. No means no. People know it's available, if they want to upgrade, they will.

Too intrusive, IMO. Everything I have was moved to Windows 10 a while back, so I'm not noticing anything. Just going off the reports. I wouldn't care much for it. It just angers people.
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If they don't download the entire install up front, and it's really REALLY clear that it's going to install 10 if you give the go ahead, it's probably OK, but if you say no, then it should stop bugging you for 3 months before asking again. OTOH, once July comes around, it'd probably be wise to warn people that the free upgrade is about to end (assuming it does).

That said, I also think there should be a way for people with Media Center to opt out and not hear anything until July (just in case they change their mind). Hell maybe you want to get your license activated for 10 so you can use it in 2020 ;)

I know htis sounds like I'm defending them, but really I'm only defending them because I think most end users should probably upgrade. OTOH, I think for those that really don't want this, you should be able to turn it off. I think it's ridiculous that people are changing a policy to turn off the nag and they still get nagged.
 
mi7chy said:
You won't really appreciate Windows 10 until you've used it on a touch screen device but even without there are still useful features like the snap multitasking that's carried over from 8.1. After liking what I see running 10 on the Surface Pro 4 I upgraded one of my workstations from 8.1 to 10. Upgrade went smooth and took less than an hour. Overall, 10 > 8.1 > 7 since it's a better fusion of desktop and mobile. Only thing is there are more features so it takes more resources so if you're on a device with < 4GB it's probably better to stick with the lighter 8.1.
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My Windows 8 tablet is the only home system I've upgraded to Windows 10, and I would agree that it's an improvement, even though the tablet has only 2Gb ram.

However, in my opinion, 7 > 10 > 8.1 > 8.0
 
VMaxx said:
I tried the "gwx control panel download" tool available for download various places.
It worked for me.
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I would only download it from the source. http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

VMaxx said:
Ha funny that's what the article was about.. Sad they broke it.
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If it is broken it's only temporary. The developer of the program is continually updating it and adding new features to combat Micro$ofts fuckery.
It's a great program and I highly recommend it, especially if you're tired of W10 nagware.

More info http://www.infoworld.com/article/30...-you-from-coerced-get-windows-10-updates.html
 
rpeters1969 said:
christ on a pony, Win10 is now officially worse than iOS when it comes to upgrade nags. I sincerely wish it was feasible for me to run Linux -- until AutoCAD Mechanical runs on Linux natively, it's a no-go.
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I feel your pain man. I wait for the day Dassault systems ports solidworks over to linux. I'll be waiting for a looong time.
Even siemens nx doesnt give you full capabilities on linux.
These companies should be able to hire real software people with the dough they rake in.
 
Markus164 said:
If you end up upgrading to windows 10, I would suggest watching this video as it has a nice and easy way stopping the Mothership. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1kGMCfb2xw
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Useful, but the service disabling/deleting is a bit over the top. Those services seem to be on par with Dr. Watson, which existed at least 20 years ago.

Also, his complaint about Bing not being remappable in hosts looks like user error, because I tried it and it worked as expected.
 
As far as I'm aware, the only way to officially disable the Win10 automatic upgrades is either using HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\ DisableOSUpgrade=1 or the Group Policy "Turn off the upgrade to the latest version of Windows through Windows Update" as described in KB3080351.

The HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\OSUpgrade\AllowOSUpgrade key on the other hand I believe has always only served the purpose of manually opting-in to the upgrade, not opting-out.
 
nilepez said:
I know htis sounds like I'm defending them, but really I'm only defending them because I think most end users should probably upgrade. OTOH, I think for those that really don't want this, you should be able to turn it off. I think it's ridiculous that people are changing a policy to turn off the nag and they still get nagged.
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I think people should upgrade, and they should be notified of it. But, on their own terms and if they say no - the answer is no. This turns the nagging back on if they turned it off previously (if I understand the OP correctly). That's what I'm seeing as wrong.

The marketing aspect of it sucks. This is akin to pop up ads, IMO.
 
LodeRunner said:
This is quite irritating. It's less of a problem in an Active Directory environment, since GWX and associated crap detects that the machine is domain joined and won't try to push you to Win10; not that this fact helps that vast majority of home users.

For Windows 7 (possibly 8/8.1) paste the following in a text file, save as a .cmd file and run as admin (or run each command separately in an elevated command prompt):
Code: 
wusa /uninstall /kb:971033  /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2660075 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2670838 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2726535 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2876229 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2652664 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2970228 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2976987 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2977759 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2990214 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3008273 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3012973 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3014460 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3015249 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3021917 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3035583 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3044374 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3046480 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3050265 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3050267 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3068707 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3072318 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075835 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3081452 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3083710 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3083711 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3090045 /norestart
Then run Windows Update manually find those KB numbers and mark them as hidden. Should stop nagging, at least until the next time MS updates whatever tomfoolery is involved in the WIn 10 upgrade experience.
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This is an amazing list and clear instructions. I'm going to try this tonight on my Home Theater PC since I desperately need WMC for the short term and Win10 removes it.

My only question, if I do finally decide to go win10 before the time limit is up, do I simply unhide those from windows update and let the computer re-download to start the process again?
 
CaptNumbNutz said:
This is an amazing list and clear instructions. I'm going to try this tonight on my Home Theater PC since I desperately need WMC for the short term and Win10 removes it.

My only question, if I do finally decide to go win10 before the time limit is up, do I simply unhide those from windows update and let the computer re-download to start the process again?
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You could just use the Media Creation tool and upgrade that way.
 
CaptNumbNutz said:
This is an amazing list and clear instructions. I'm going to try this tonight on my Home Theater PC since I desperately need WMC for the short term and Win10 removes it.

My only question, if I do finally decide to go win10 before the time limit is up, do I simply unhide those from windows update and let the computer re-download to start the process again?
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make sure you also turn off recommended updates (as all of them updates are pushed as recommended not Important)

but they may sneak in windows 10 as an important update at some point
 
tordogs said:
Yeah and today is Patch Tuesday--have about 18 updates that want to install and when I click on the "More Information" link it says the page is unavailable--can't get any info on the updates. Even tried manually entering one particularly ominous KB into a search engine and results came up nil--think I'm gonna wait a few days and see what comes of it. Hate having to play cat and mouse with MS over this stuff. I believe my Windows 7 is valid until sometime around 2020. That was the idea when I paid to lease it from MS.
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My guess, the 'Malicious Software Removal Tool'
 
likeman said:
make sure you also turn off recommended updates (as all of them updates are pushed as recommended not Important)

but they may sneak in windows 10 as an important update at some point
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eventually they will push it as a "critical security update"

MS's depravity knows no bounds
 
I don't know if there's any truth to the stories about forced upgrade or even forced download but haven't had that happen to any of my five computers. When I chose to upgrade one of the devices I had to wait for it to download.
 
rezerekted said:
I will upgrade in 2023 and not a moment sooner.
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Seven years is a long time. For most people staying with Windows it probably wouldn't be practical to stay on 8.1 that long because so much will change by then in terms or software and hardware.
 
I will upgrade only after they fix a few hardware capability issues. I don't want to lose all of my DVD & Blu-Ray drives. They work fine with Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1 but do not show up at all with Windows 10.
 
kzaske said:
I will upgrade only after they fix a few hardware capability issues. I don't want to lose all of my DVD & Blu-Ray drives. They work fine with Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1 but do not show up at all with Windows 10.
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Hmmm. I assume these are SATA and/or USB drives? I've got a combo of about six DVD and BD drives and they work perfectly in 10 on my main desktop and a couple of external drives I have. Ripping works perfectly with Slysoft utilities.
 
I've uninstalled the update that nags me about Win 10 after the pop up seemed to became more frequent. I'll get Win 10 when I want, I don't need it to remind me that Win 10 exist several times a week, as if I'm suffering from dementia or something.:eek:
 
I really regret updating my Windows 7 machine to Windows 10.

The worse part is the updates. You don't get a choice whether to decline their download or not. You can choose to defer installation temporarily but the damn thing downloads them anyway. And what makes it worse is that you can't stop it downloading even when you are in the middle of a gaming session. On multiple occasions it has done this despite changing the settings.

Then there are the privacy settings. Basically MS will snoop on everything you do unless you turn off dozens of options. Why do we also need a control panel W7 style and a horrible looking settings app minimalist Windows 10 style that do the same thing ?

It offers me nothing that Windows 7 didn't already give me.

Worst OS from MS I've ever installed.
 
lewchenko said:
It offers me nothing that Windows 7 didn't already give me.
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Ding ding, we have a winner. It doesn't even offer the same. What it offers is:

Less control
More data collection
Less usable, and ugly, minimalist UI

Did I miss some important feature? Oh yes DX12, which won't be a benefit for a long long time, and a must have for years to come.

The only way MS could persuade me to "downgrade" my experience to W10, if they started releasing XBONE exclusive games for W10, and fast.
 
lewchenko said:
I really regret updating my Windows 7 machine to Windows 10.

The worse part is the updates. You don't get a choice whether to decline their download or not. You can choose to defer installation temporarily but the damn thing downloads them anyway. And what makes it worse is that you can't stop it downloading even when you are in the middle of a gaming session. On multiple occasions it has done this despite changing the settings.

Then there are the privacy settings. Basically MS will snoop on everything you do unless you turn off dozens of options. Why do we also need a control panel W7 style and a horrible looking settings app minimalist Windows 10 style that do the same thing ?

It offers me nothing that Windows 7 didn't already give me.

Worst OS from MS I've ever installed.
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Try disabling BITS and windows update service. Not stopping, disabling.

M76 said:
Ding ding, we have a winner. It doesn't even offer the same. What it offers is:

Less control
More data collection
Less usable, and ugly, minimalist UI

Did I miss some important feature? Oh yes DX12, which won't be a benefit for a long long time, and a must have for years to come.

The only way MS could persuade me to "downgrade" my experience to W10, if they started releasing XBONE exclusive games for W10, and fast.
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The UI is much easier on the eyes in 10. In general, the darker theme is nice. I don't see how 10 is a downgrade, it can do everything and more than win7. For example, I would like you to enable the hyper-v role and spin up a VM for me. Oh, wait...
 
It seriously isn't that complicated. Unless you are hurting for hard drive space, just go to your system32 folder and rename the GWX folder. This circumvents permissions and instantly stops the nagging.
 
sc0tty8 said:
For example, I would like you to enable the hyper-v role and spin up a VM for me. Oh, wait...
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Hyper-V on the system is sorta handy, I guess, but it's easy enough to start up a VM on Windows 7 using Virtual PC 2007 (free download). Since most virtualized usage scenarios on workstation-class hardware are gonna be tinkering or testing and not heavy lifting VMs it's not really a very important or world-changing feature and it's certainly not unique to Windows 10. For more substantial virtualized computing, you kinda need to start looking at enterprise solutions and dedicated hardware with the hypervisor loaded on bare metal. VMWare's products are currently more popular in that arena and Hyper-V really hasn't gained a whole buncha adoption except where systems admins are the el cheapo, unskilled Microsoft ones that are like the McJob-types of the server room.
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
VMWare's products are currently more popular in that arena and Hyper-V really hasn't gained a whole buncha adoption except where systems admins are the el cheapo, unskilled Microsoft ones that are like the McJob-types of the server room.
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Disagree.

We use VMware workstation on the desktops for dev/qa/demos, but Hyper-V on our production servers.
Hyper-V has been very solid. The only time I need to reboot servers is when I run updates.
 
Out of curiosity where does MS store the Windows 10 update that they're waiting for you to install? (file/path), this computer has a rather small C: drive (ssd) that I use basically for the OS (and unfortunately whatever my wife also puts on it, like pictures)
 
heatlesssun said:
Seven years is a long time. For most people staying with Windows it probably wouldn't be practical to stay on 8.1 that long because so much will change by then in terms or software and hardware.
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Well, that's the thing, I now have collected such a vast library of software/games, etc. I don't need any more software, no new software/games means I don't need any new hardware either. Yea, corporations hate people like me.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Out of curiosity where does MS store the Windows 10 update that they're waiting for you to install? (file/path), this computer has a rather small C: drive (ssd) that I use basically for the OS (and unfortunately whatever my wife also puts on it, like pictures)
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In a hidden folder on the root of C: that reads $Windows.~BT
 
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