Geforce 1080 or Voodoo 1080? (VOTE)

Geforce 1080 or Voodoo 1080

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Hey everyone. I just thought this would be a cool question to ask for Nvidia's new series coming out Q1 2016. For some of you that might not know, the company called 3Dfx was acquired by Nvidia in 1999/2000. They made some really awesome video cards called Voodoo, Voodoo 2, ect ect.

Since Nvidia owns all the rights, who here would think it would be pretty cool for this totally new video card to be named "Voodoo" and to let Geforce take a break?
 
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Never going to happen in my opinion. Geforce brand is far to valuable to go away, voodoo does not have anything to offer in that regard. Maybe a special edition card akin to the Titan sure thing though.
 
I think it would be cool to revive the Voodoo name in some fashion. Maybe they could call the next dual-GPU card Voodoo. Or release a quad-GPU card and call it Voodoo, since it was the last thing 3dfx was working on before going under.

While I'd like to see the GeForce name get retired, I don't think it's going to happen. It's now a recognizable brand just like Radeon is for ATi/AMD. At least Radeon is a cool name. I always thought GeForce was stupid.
 
I'd like to see both. Introduce Voodoo cards as cards with a striped down feature-set in terms of image quality, etc but as much raw gaming performance as possible. If there are situations where image quality can be sacrificed for performance in hardware, do it. Geforce cards can continue to be their all around general GPUs with no compromises, where the Voodoo cards could be both cheaper and more performance focused (where compromises in other areas can be made for the sake of performance).
 
Armenius said:
I think it would be cool to revive the Voodoo name in some fashion. Maybe they could call the next dual-GPU card Voodoo. Or release a quad-GPU card and call it Voodoo, since it was the last thing 3dfx was working on before going under.
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I like that idea. Or even replacing the 'Titan' moniker with Voodoo.
 
GotNoRice said:
I'd like to see both. Introduce Voodoo cards as cards with a striped down feature-set in terms of image quality, etc but as much raw gaming performance as possible. If there are situations where image quality can be sacrificed for performance in hardware, do it. Geforce cards can continue to be their all around general GPUs with no compromises, where the Voodoo cards could be both cheaper and more performance focused (where compromises in other areas can be made for the sake of performance).
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I thought that was what the 600 and later series were, focusing on stripping out as much as they could to focus attention on raw performance, the 900 series sure is, hence the reduction in power given the raw performance they have, also a reason why the DX12 etc and related features are so sporadically supported.

Hell if they strip out even more, then it will be like going back in time a decade ago where some cards can render 3d and others need 2 cards to do it, or 1 card can properly render shadows, whereas the other renders lighting much better. Though if there is any company I can picture doing this, it would be Nvidia, strip as much as they can, label it something stupid, and charge and arm and leg for it under a "refined feature that games and professionals alike are raving for"

In theory it makes sense as they have done this over the years for racing cars and the like, strip out all the extra crap to make it as fast as humanely possible with as light a weight as possible, IMO if they do this with GPU, then I would imagine it likely would suffer a great deal in many regards, even if raw performance was high.

Geforce makes more sense IMO for the more mainstream branding, Voodoo for the high end, and Titan and others more for workstation/professional environments.
 
I always got the feeling they wanted to bury Voodoo and anything that outwardly would evoke the 3dfx brand.

I don't think Voodoo fits with their marketing/image anyway.
 
GeForce X Series

GeForce X80

GeForce X70

GeForce X60

and so on
 
I've always wandered what did nvidia really get from the 3dfx deal.

They didn't use the technology nor the naming. AFAIK it was only the patents and engineering staff.
 
Voodoo is long dead...a mere memory of the king in a bygone era. GeForce is what will perpetuate.


Stoly said:
I've always wandered what did nvidia really get from the 3dfx deal.

They didn't use the technology nor the naming. AFAIK it was only the patents and engineering staff.
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Scan-Line Interleave (1998+ Voodoo2), now known as Scalable Link Interface (2004+ GeForce 6000 series) was the most notable 3Dfx IP that nVidia captured.
 
DejaWiz said:
Voodoo is long dead...a mere memory of the king in a bygone era. GeForce is what will perpetuate.




Scan-Line Interleave (1998+ Voodoo2), now known as Scalable Link Interface (2004+ GeForce 6000 series) was the most notable 3Dfx IP that nVidia captured.
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No, Scan-Line Interleave hasn't been used since the Voodoo 5. It's been re-imagined as scissor mode SLI, or tile mode CFX.

The reason why both AMD and Nvidia abandoned screen splitting tech in favor of AFR is because it doesn't split the geometry load between cards. One card renders the geometry, and then the scene can be drawn in however method you want to split it up.

AFR renders each frame on a single card, so the geometry load is shared.

3dfx didn't have to worry about that because their card was outdated and lacked T&L. All the geometry was calculated by the CPU, which made the splitting of drawing duties between multiple VSA-100s easy :D
 
defaultluser said:
No, Scan-Line Interleave hasn't been used since the Voodoo 5. It's been re-imagined as scissor mode SLI, or tile mode CFX.

The reason why both AMD and Nvidia abandoned screen splitting tech in favor of AFR is because it doesn't split the geometry load between cards. One card renders the geometry, and then the scene can be drawn in however method you want to split it up.

AFR renders each frame on a single card, so the geometry load is shared.

3dfx didn't have to worry about that because their card was outdated and lacked T&L. All the geometry was calculated by the CPU, which made the splitting of drawing duties between multiple VSA-100s easy :D
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...and it took nVidia 2 years after acquiring 3Dfx to massage multi-GPU rendering methodology (btw, AFR is still a selectable option, even with today's current crop of Maxwell GPUs).
 
nivida bought voodoo because they sucked and needed the tech... so voodoo
 
DejaWiz said:
...and it took nVidia 2 years after acquiring 3Dfx to massage multi-GPU rendering methodology (btw, AFR is still a selectable option, even with today's current crop of Maxwell GPUs).
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AFR is not just a "selectable" option, it is the DEFAULT rendering mode for both Nvidia SLI and AMD Crossfire.

Has been since day one, for reasons I already detailed in this thread.

And 3dfx never used it - the first shipping card to make use of it was the ATI Rage Fury MAXX.

The reason Nvidia waited three years to introduce SLI via AFR was because they were waiting for PCI Express to be released. You will recall that previous attempts at multi-GPU support by 3dfx had mostly broken AGP, and PCI's bandwidth was getting long in the tooth.

When PCIe was specced, they made it capable of supporting multiple video cards in the system on the same type of bus. AGP only supported a single card.
 
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I would very much think Voodoo cards for the high end would add a few more in sales. Lets face it people are drawn to the unique, a lot of potential for marketing. But that's my 2 cents.
 
defaultluser said:
AFR is not just a "selectable" option, it is the DEFAULT rendering mode for both Nvidia SLI and AMD Crossfire.

Has been since day one, for reasons I already detailed in this thread.

And 3dfx never used it - the first shipping card to make use of it was the ATI Rage Fury MAXX.

The reason Nvidia waited three years to introduce SLI via AFR was because they were waiting for PCI Express to be released. You will recall that previous attempts at multi-GPU support by 3dfx had mostly broken AGP, and PCI's bandwidth was getting long in the tooth.

When PCIe was specced, they made it capable of supporting multiple video cards in the system on the same type of bus. AGP only supported a single card.
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AFR is ATI tech first introduced in a consumer card with rage fury maxx
 
Stoly said:
I've always wandered what did nvidia really get from the 3dfx deal.

They didn't use the technology nor the naming. AFAIK it was only the patents and engineering staff.
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GeForce 4 was based on the Rage/sage technology. (What 3dfx was working on before its collapse)
 
lol at option 4, had to choose it :p

I think the better cards are the ForcedVoo or Gedoodoo.
They have more trump.
 
Maybe they should split the lines. GeForce cards for general setups and Voodoo cards for niche setups.

Voodoo cards could have multiple strong 5th-order filtered, 500MHz+ RAMDACs for CRT use (in addition to DVI/DP/HDMI) and SFR SLI. They could also have a simple, but very functional and reliable driver and configuration. They would be for people who want a stable, high-performance GPU, not bloatware and useless features.

The GeForce cards would have display-ports (plus HDMI / DVI), SINK / strobing support for LCDs, drivers with an over-the-top GUIs, features nobody will touch and AFR SLI.
 
defaultluser said:
AFR is not just a "selectable" option, it is the DEFAULT rendering mode for both Nvidia SLI and AMD Crossfire.

Has been since day one, for reasons I already detailed in this thread.

And 3dfx never used it - the first shipping card to make use of it was the ATI Rage Fury MAXX.

The reason Nvidia waited three years to introduce SLI via AFR was because they were waiting for PCI Express to be released. You will recall that previous attempts at multi-GPU support by 3dfx had mostly broken AGP, and PCI's bandwidth was getting long in the tooth.

When PCIe was specced, they made it capable of supporting multiple video cards in the system on the same type of bus. AGP only supported a single card.
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Shit...I totally forgot about the Fury Maxx! Yep, AMD pioneered that!

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After doing some checking, the ATI RFM came out in 1999. 3Dfx released SLI-capable Voodoo2 in 1998. Different methods, as other have pointed out as a reminder.

Voodoo2 = even/odd line based rendering.
ATI RFM = even/odd frame based rendering.

After nVidia bought 3Dfx, they spent 2 years developing their own multi-GPU solution, and ultimately decided that AMD's AFR method was (and still is) superior.

Thanks for the historic reminders, folks! Great thread. :)
 
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DejaWiz said:
Voodoo is long dead...a mere memory of the king in a bygone era. GeForce is what will perpetuate.




Scan-Line Interleave (1998+ Voodoo2), now known as Scalable Link Interface (2004+ GeForce 6000 series) was the most notable 3Dfx IP that nVidia captured.
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Not really IP as the technology has nothing to do on 3dfx vs nvidia version, just the name.
 
I can see some limited/dual GPU solution getting the Voodoo moniker (e.g. GeForce GTX Voodoo), but not their entire line-up. As mentioned prior, their GeForce branding is undoubtedly more valuable.
 
H-street said:
GeForce 4 was based on the Rage/sage technology. (What 3dfx was working on before its collapse)
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Nope, Geforce 4 was an evolution of the Geforce 3. AFAIK it was in development in tandem or shortly after geforce 3. So by the time nvidia got 3dfx the Geforce 4 was already in the works.
 
Voodoo Banshee was just a really cool name.......

As was the Voodoo line of custom PCs.

My vote GTX Voodoo 1080 Banshee edition
 
magoo said:
Voodoo Banshee was just a really cool name.......

As was the Voodoo line of custom PCs.

My vote GTX Voodoo 1080 Banshee edition
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Voodoo Rush was a Voodoo 1 coupled with 2d on one card.

Voodoo Banshee was a Voodoo 2 coupled with 2d on one card.

I had a Rush for a couple days and then returned it for a Banshee because the Rush had issues.

Had that for a short while before I moved to a Voodoo 3, and then a Voodoo 5-5500 AGP which I still have.
 
EvoFreak said:
Hahaha! Imagine asking the sales person if they have it in stock. Lol
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It's got nothing on the ¡VideoLoca! Bitchin'Fast 3D 2000. Probably doesn't even get 400 BungholioMarks.

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starting a new brand name would be stupid and costly for nvidia. Geforce is not going anywhere.
 
Soiling the VooDoo brand with nVidia shit would make me really unhappy. I have a Voodoo 2 and VooDoo 5 5500. Fuck that shit
 
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