Windows 7 PC users refusing to move to Windows 10

The Gartner quote (about enterprises) in the article is so wrong. We just got done with upgrading to 7 so we're taking a "pause" for awhile. We got better things to do than upgrade our PCs again, LIKE MAKE MONEY.
 
amddragonpc said:
The Gartner quote (about enterprises) in the article is so wrong. We just got done with upgrading to 7 so we're taking a "pause" for awhile. We got better things to do than upgrade our PCs again, LIKE MAKE MONEY.
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We just upgraded to W7 from XP in 2013. So, yeah, it's going to be awhile.
 
Armenius said:
We just upgraded to W7 from XP in 2013. So, yeah, it's going to be awhile.
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We finished ours in 2013 as well. But that is now almost three years ago. And like a lot of other places, we didn't start 7 migrations in earnest until 2011. This time the plan is start earlier and go slower but longer. So we'll go from 2016 to 2019 which is right around the time we'd have to anyway. 2020 isn't as far off as some think.
 
I represent the portion of W7 users that doesn't care about W10 because my current W7 build is perfect. There are some interesting features in W10 but nothing meaningful enough to warrant an new OS build.
 
xX326Xx said:
All it takes is one thing to not work properly that people feels that should for someone to get really pissed off about change. I've seen a few people run into problems mostly with lack of support for things like AMD drivers on a laptop. The other for me being weird network issues that my friend wouldn't even let me troubleshoot. Both which demanded to have Windows 7 restored. Everyone else absolutely loves Windows 10 that I've talked to. Some people just want to complain about nothing I guess.
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Until we dump a couple old business applications used at the office, we will be sticking with Windows 7. They don't work on Windows 8 or 10, and the server is stuck on 2003.

At home, at least one of my systems will never be upgraded, since Windows 10 doesn't support media center, and I would lose my DVR.
 
heatlesssun said:
I'm pretty sure a lot of Windows 7 users aren't using Windows Media Center and even fewer than that with an extender.
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There are a lot more Media center users than you realize.
And it's not just people using extenders, it's people using Media Center as their DVR with a cable card tuner.

It would be a major expense, and a step back in functionality/storage to switch to a Tivo or the cable companies DVR.
 
heatlesssun said:
I'm guessing that 90% of Windows users never have used any of this stuff. Microsoft has said for years that WMC didn't get a lot of use and in the day and age of cord cutting and Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu, etc. most people just aren't into this type of tech anymore.
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So, if 90 % don't, then you seem to be agreeing that 10% does.
That 10% is more people than are using OSX or Linux :)
 
Not "upgrading" until 2020 when Windows 7 updates end. Only then will there be an upside.
 
nutzo said:
There are a lot more Media center users than you realize.
And it's not just people using extenders, it's people using Media Center as their DVR with a cable card tuner.

It would be a major expense, and a step back in functionality/storage to switch to a Tivo or the cable companies DVR.
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I've been using Windows Media Center since day one. I've been dealing with Windows PCs forever, been asked tons of questions about them, this that or the other. I've not ever had anyone ask me about Windows Media Center or using Cablecard in the flesh. Not one.

I honestly don't use it anywhere near the level I used to with more and more streaming options. For the most part honestly I'm pretty much done with local files and management for video and audio purposes. Not entirely, I'll buy BDs and rip those for trips and the occasional thing like that. But it's just so much easier to use services now. I think that's why piracy of content isn't what it used to be.
 
evilsofa said:
Regarding the article, where is the source for the data and the image? I'd like to see where that data came from, but I'm finding nothing. The image is so pixelated that you can't read the source URL in the lower left. Last week's article with opposing data has no trouble showing its sources, so at the moment I have to take last week's article more seriously than this article.
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Here's a look at a historical reference compared to Windows 7 at 5 months in: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2010/04/windows-7-surpasses-10-market-share/

So it took Windows 7 5 months to break 10%, Windows 10 should do the same this month as the holiday season spike should take it easily past 1% this month. So again, one could say 10 is free and the growth sucks but then a good deal more new PCs were sold 6 years ago and most of 7's growth at that point was probably from new devices and most of 10's growth at this point probably the upgrade. Indeed the free upgrade probably has dampened new machine sales a bit for those that actually wanted 10 and didn't have to buy anything to get it.

So overall I'd say it's pretty even and 10's should be on it's way fro solid growth assuming that enterprises are on board. Mine seems to be right now and if they are then plenty of others will be.
 
nutzo said:
There are a lot more Media center users than you realize.
And it's not just people using extenders, it's people using Media Center as their DVR with a cable card tuner.

It would be a major expense, and a step back in functionality/storage to switch to a Tivo or the cable companies DVR.
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I don't use it, but it seems like Kodi supports DVR functionality. Since I don't record with a PC, I don't know how good either is.

nutzo said:
So, if 90 % don't, then you seem to be agreeing that 10% does.
That 10% is more people than are using OSX or Linux :)
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I doubt 10% of the world use WMC. In 10 years I've only known one person that used a PC to record TV and I don't htink he used WMC, but even if he did, it was only to supplement Tivo. If it was 10%, MS would probably still support it.
 
pxc said:
Windows 7 share isn't dropping much for a couple of reasons:

1) Business hasn't adopted Windows 10. The business/corporate segment of PC sales is around 80% of the market. If businesses do decide to upgrade, there are potential complications like testing and updating legacy line of business application, user retraining and other things. Even in the best case, (responsible) business adoption of 10 would be slow, but Windows 10 offers absolutely nothing for most businesses and is an expensive upgrade. I don't expect a XP -> 7 stampede. Windows 8.x had a very low corporate adoption rate and Windows "8.2" probably won't either.
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Businesses will "migrate" to 10 as they replace old systems running XP or 7. Then they will migrate when 7 approaches end of life. My guess is that Microsoft doesn't want to get trapped into extending forever that end date, the way they got trapped with XP. Just my guess of course. :D
 
Still running 7 Pro on my main system and don't have a compelling reason to upgrade yet.

I have machines running 10, linux and OSX. 2 of the 3 titles I bough last week on Steam are multi platform.
 
Executioner said:
http://news.investors.com/120115-783137-windows-10-migration-stalls-amid-slow-pc-sales-upgrades.htm




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Easier to read pie chart here:
https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

Even XP is still up there.
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Told you So!

Old Paul
 
Armenius said:
We just upgraded to W7 from XP in 2013. So, yeah, it's going to be awhile.
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I like working for a nimble, relatively new company with a forward-view IT policy that I help dictate. Windows 8.1 was barely a week old when we did our pilot and started deploying on all new machines within days. With Windows 10 we've been actively installing it on new machines since August. We already have an edict that Windows 7 doesn't go on anything without special approval.

It took less time to sign off on Windows 10 for our PC users than it took to approve OS X 10.11 for our Mac users. Go figure.
 
nutzo said:
Until we dump a couple old business applications used at the office, we will be sticking with Windows 7. They don't work on Windows 8 or 10, and the server is stuck on 2003.

At home, at least one of my systems will never be upgraded, since Windows 10 doesn't support media center, and I would lose my DVR.
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I dual boot Win 7 and as of last week Win 10. I use WMC all the time and didn't want to lose it. That issue has ben resolved: http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/61061-DISCUSSION-Patch-WMC-to-run-on-Windows-10-final-amp-possible-alternatives

I'm using WMC in Win 10 with my HD Homerun cablecard and premium channels. Only issue is I have to change channels using the guide. Not sure if it's just me or others too. I can type the channels in Win 7 WMC. Hopefully they don't break it in the future.
 
i have one machine on win 7 still my media center that records all my tv. if it wasn't for media center it would have 10 on it too.
 
x509 said:
Businesses will "migrate" to 10 as they replace old systems running XP or 7. Then they will migrate when 7 approaches end of life. My guess is that Microsoft doesn't want to get trapped into extending forever that end date, the way they got trapped with XP. Just my guess of course. :D
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The XP computer just went down on one of our mass spectrometers in the lab, so we called the vendor about upgrading. Only option is to upgrade to W7 since the software and instrument interface card are not compatible with W8 or W10 and probably won't be for quite some time.

While most office applications are fairly easy to upgrade, it seems that software that controls laboratory instrumentation and other types of equipment are programmed deeper into the kernel and upgrades always seem to break them easily. We had a few instruments that got bricked when the computers auto updated to XP SP3 and we had to reload SP2 and reload the instrument software to get them working again. We also have another instrument we tried to upgrade to W7 from W2K that would not work because the computer didn't have a floppy drive, and even coping the small setup file for the instrument firmware from the floppy to a usb drive wouldn't work because it seems the instrument software was hard coded to look directly for the floppy drive on the floppy controller and not just an A: or B: DOS drive letter. Heck, some of the instrument software is still actually just DOS software running in Windows on Windows(WoW) processes because the companies find it easier to emulate and run the old code instead of coding new software. It stinks to have a perfectly working piece of equipment that costs $500K to replace stop working because a PC or it's operating system has become outdated :(
 
None of this really surprises me. As others indicate, business is what drives those numbers up, not consumers.

Most consumers won't touch the OS on their machine (from my experience). Your lucky if they install any updates that aren't forced and give them an option...

Anyhow, adoption is starting slowly for our corporation. We just got some new Panasonic Toughbook convertible tablets that work like shit with Windows 7 (some hardware features don't work). Windows 10 is a clearly superior experience and all of the hardware features work with it, unlike Windows 7 (and yes, I'm talking about the Windows 7 factory pre-loaded image not working here). I expect we will be seeing more of this from hardware vendors as time goes on.

Deployment and KMS activation processes are basically identical to Windows 7 once I got the supporting software updates in place for SCCM and a the Volume Licensing role setup on a 2012 R2 server with the pre-requisite hotfix installed (no Server 2008 R2 version of this hotfix still).

Everyone is welcome to their opinion but there are a lot of under the hood improvements compared to Windows 7 that may not be that obvious or applicable to everyone.

We lease our machines, so within the next year or so I expect we will be deploying replacement PCs with Windows 10 which will give us the opportunity to phase it in slowly, test and resolve app compatibility issues as they are discovered etc. It beats the hell out of the big bang Windows 7 upgrade we had to do a couple years ago... 2020 will be here before you know it...
 
heatlesssun said:
You told us that Windows 10's growth to this point would equal Windows 7's?
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Actually, I don't recall even mentioning the growth rate of Windows 10, just that I, and many other Window 7 Pro, users have no need for, nor any use for, King MS trying to shove Win. 10 down our throats, or automatically installing Windows 10 on our computers, totally uninvited, that's all!
 
Wish they would offer a refined version, just the operating system and that’s it :(
 
yossarian said:
I dual boot Win 7 and as of last week Win 10. I use WMC all the time and didn't want to lose it. That issue has ben resolved: http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/61061-DISCUSSION-Patch-WMC-to-run-on-Windows-10-final-amp-possible-alternatives

I'm using WMC in Win 10 with my HD Homerun cablecard and premium channels. Only issue is I have to change channels using the guide. Not sure if it's just me or others too. I can type the channels in Win 7 WMC. Hopefully they don't break it in the future.
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I'm using a Ceton tuner card with a cable card, and it's not official supported in Windows 10.
Still, it's interesting that they managed to build an installer to get WMC working on Windows 10.

Still, I don't see a reason to update, hoping that I can get an unsupported tuner card drivers working and the unsupported WMC working on Windows 10, when it already works fine on Windows 7.
 
GotNoRice said:
The fact that 8/8.1 is still rising really tells the story. No one actually chooses 8/8.1 if they have a choice. That is a clear indicator that people are mostly just using whatever OS that their PC comes with.
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Nail meet head of hammer. And we've been in a bit of a upgrade rut compared to history because since Win 7, computers have just gotten good enough to use for significantly longer periods of time that people just don't feel the need to upgrade... both hardware and software. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the growth was on Laptops.
 
As a business owner do I want to run an OS that 'updates and replaces' itself completely every 6 months?


Simple answer - NO!

I do wonder which total tard thought that would be a good idea. It's going to create a huge mess. I'm doing well out of the Windows 10 update screw ups at the moment but will customers want that again in 6 months and again...and again...

Boring old reliable business as usual is what I want till 2020. Then I'll see if I still need Windows.
 
MS Guy here:

All my home machines and those belonging to family are already switched to Win10. The the real story that has to be to is that businesses really need to start moving to Windows 10. PtH attacks are the number 1 hack I am seeing these days and credential guard in Windows 10 all but eliminates the threat because there is no LSA to attack. The people not switching from 7 are not too bright.

Its a FREE UPGRADE. Move on people.....
 
Noone cares about windows 10 but clueless gamers and enthusiasts who jump on everything shiny and new, even if it's a spiked pole. I know, I was one of them, I even ran W2k and WinME beta.

What does it offer for the regular user? Spying, ugly UI, forced updates.
 
NeoZer0 said:
MS Guy here:

All my home machines and those belonging to family are already switched to Win10. The the real story that has to be to is that businesses really need to start moving to Windows 10. PtH attacks are the number 1 hack I am seeing these days and credential guard in Windows 10 all but eliminates the threat because there is no LSA to attack. The people not switching from 7 are not too bright.

Its a FREE UPGRADE. Move on people.....
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You clearly do not support business users in any shape or form do you? I take it you are maybe...16?
 
NeoZer0 said:
MS Guy here:

All my home machines and those belonging to family are already switched to Win10. The the real story that has to be to is that businesses really need to start moving to Windows 10. PtH attacks are the number 1 hack I am seeing these days and credential guard in Windows 10 all but eliminates the threat because there is no LSA to attack. The people not switching from 7 are not too bright.

Its a FREE UPGRADE. Move on people.....
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Any business that is is vulnerable to that type of attack is not very bright period. A move to W10 for this reason alone would prove them to be even more dense.
 
M76 said:
Any business that is is vulnerable to that type of attack is not very bright period. A move to W10 for this reason alone would prove them to be even more dense.
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Yeah classic "fix one problem and cause 145 more!" situation. People really get too enthusiastic and really don't think things through. There are consequences to all actions.

I'm doing really well fixing screwed up laptops/desktops that were running 7 and 8.1 perfectly but some twit kid tells Grandpa/small business team to upgrade the 5 year old Dell to the latest Windows 10 and it all ends in tears.


Kid - "But...but it's the latest Windows 10!!"

Annoyed Person - "Yeah kid but I had a working machine an hour ago!"
 
NeoZer0 said:
MS Guy here:

All my home machines and those belonging to family are already switched to Win10. The the real story that has to be to is that businesses really need to start moving to Windows 10. PtH attacks are the number 1 hack I am seeing these days and credential guard in Windows 10 all but eliminates the threat because there is no LSA to attack. The people not switching from 7 are not too bright.

Its a FREE UPGRADE. Move on people.....
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This has to be a troll. :eek:
 
No, I'm not a Troll. See my profile. Honestly I have no idea why I am posting here, I'll go back to what I was doing and leave you underlings to your happy thoughts.
 
NeoZer0 said:
Its a FREE UPGRADE. Move on people.....
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Even with it being free that's just not enough to get me and many many others to make use of it. There are lots of things that are free of monetary cost - that doesn't mean you're not paying for them in some manner.

Microsoft isn't giving Windows 10 away for the first year of release for free and not getting something out of the deal so it's costing end users whether they're cognizant of that fact or not.

I won't be willfully ignorant of what's going on, and I highly recommend nobody else be that way either.
 
NeoZer0 said:
No, I'm not a Troll. See my profile. Honestly I have no idea why I am posting here, I'll go back to what I was doing and leave you underlings to your happy thoughts.
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You see a burglar coming in the window, you don't need to know what it says on their business card to know them for what they are.
 
I built my PC with Windows 7 in mind so I won't use 10 until I build a new one. Since I'm still very happy with the system I have now that won't be happening anytime soon. ;)
 
NeoZer0 said:
PtH attacks are the number 1 hack I am seeing these days
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Where are you pulling this statistic from? Are you saying you personally monitor a corporate security environment and constantly see pass the hash attacks? Complete and utter bullshit. PtH has never been a very effective attack vector and only works in very specific pivoting scenarios, and only if the target system hadn't been tightened by the sec team.

The number 1 attack will continue to be the browser for quite some time, and thanks to people like you pushing people to a new insecure OS we get to play around with all the vulns in the shiny new Edge browser.
https://technet.microsoft.com/library/security/MS15-091
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/security/ms15-095.aspx
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/security/ms15-107.aspx

Many more to come! It's a free upgrade people! Weeeeeeee!
 
techrat said:
Nail meet head of hammer. And we've been in a bit of a upgrade rut compared to history because since Win 7, computers have just gotten good enough to use for significantly longer periods of time that people just don't feel the need to upgrade... both hardware and software. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the growth was on Laptops.
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I agree. I'd venture to say that for most home users, an i860/70 PC purchased in 2010 is more than adequate today. The only reason I changed that system from 7 to 8.1 was because my 7 install got borked and I really wanted the netflix app in 8 (surround sound), but i didn't move to 8 until I built the new system. If it took me almost until the release of 10 to upgrade to 8 (despite having the license), then I really don't think the typical home user is going to do it without a lot of prodding. That said, the upgrade process is pretty easy and downgrading seemed pretty hassle free too (YMMV).
 
daglesj said:
You clearly do not support business users in any shape or form do you? I take it you are maybe...16?
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Well he/she has been here for over 6 years, and I doubt we have many 10 year olds on this forum. My gut says most are 30 or higher (a lot seem to be 40 or higher)
 
nilepez said:
Well he/she has been here for over 6 years, and I doubt we have many 10 year olds on this forum. My gut says most are 30 or higher (a lot seem to be 40 or higher)
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The point being made wasn't necessarily accuracy but thanks anyway. ;)
 
nilepez said:
I agree. I'd venture to say that for most home users, an i860/70 PC purchased in 2010 is more than adequate today. The only reason I changed that system from 7 to 8.1 was because my 7 install got borked and I really wanted the netflix app in 8 (surround sound), but i didn't move to 8 until I built the new system. If it took me almost until the release of 10 to upgrade to 8 (despite having the license), then I really don't think the typical home user is going to do it without a lot of prodding. That said, the upgrade process is pretty easy and downgrading seemed pretty hassle free too (YMMV).
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I'm doing a great trade rolling out re-con 2010 spec dual core 3GHz Pentium machines with 4- 8GB of ram in them. Windows 7 Pro too. Business folks cant get enough of them.

Most companies cant upgrade to 10 even if they wanted to. Business is a highly connected world and you have to make sure all the other companies you connect to or systems are compatible. That takes years in some cases.
 
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