Massive Windows 10 Update Has Three Nasty Surprises

Spidey329 said:
I noticed MS was nice enough to reset my program defaults to all of their programs. I'm guessing that one wasn't as much accidental.
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Lol, agreed. I clicked a link in Outlook after the update, and Edge popped up. I was like "aww helllllz no"
 
heatlesssun said:
I think some people don't realize just how much Microsoft works with its large enterprise customers on this stuff. We're a big bank with 200k PCs. In that situation you just don't deploy something without extensive vendor support and a deep understanding of it's security implications. And of course we have more control over some of the features that people have privacy and concerns, namely the telemetry.
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Almost every large corporate server network out there runs Linux, which is backed and supported by the likes of IBM, HP, Dell, etc - Companies that support and have invested heavily in Linux as an operating system for their corporate servers.

I'm fairly certain that these servers come with quite a huge measure of support by their relevant manufacturer for the companies using them.
 
Spidey329 said:
I noticed MS was nice enough to reset my program defaults to all of their programs. I'm guessing that one wasn't as much accidental.
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The tech previews always do this and will reinstall all the apps I've deleted. Wasn't for sure the public releases were doing the same thing. Have an idea it isn't an accident by any stretch of the imagination. Unless I'm holding it wrong.

Always have to go back after a new build release and re-delete and reset defaults which is time consuming and a rather needless exercise. I'm willing to give MS that on the tech previews but was hoping the public builds were more friendly--and it has the nerve to tell me all my files are in the same place and nothing has been moved. Moved, maybe not but changed, yes. Oh, Microsoft! At least they've pretty much quit turning the radio switches back on for things I had turned off in preferences--at least for now. The old game of cat and mouse methinks.
 
So bottom line: Is Windows 10 a trap for everyone? Do we stay with Win 7? I have read a lot of different things on both ends of the spectrum.

I have Win 10, but am worried about it.
 
This whole thread gives me many more reasons to stay on 8.1

My dads PC upgraded to the new threshold update and blue screened. So his PC will be going back to Win 8.1 when I get some time.
 
I was a bit leery about truing off updates on Win 7, but honestly, I think I'm better off with no updates that might sneak something in and just practicing safe surfing than risking Win10.

I'm running NOD32, as well.
 
+1
My Dad is getting a new PC and thats going to be Windows 7.
I have a reputation to uphold, Windows 10 would shoot it down.
 
SuperSubZero said:
Well, I know banking, financial, and medical entities tend to adopt the latest and greatest the minute it comes out, but..

....

Oh wait, this isn't Bizarro world!

I mean I want a first-person, "I work in IT at [high-sec entity] and we are not upgrading because.." answer that is full of testing scenario goodness, not "well M$$$ wants my dataz so..." which has no value to me.
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I work in IT for the DoD. We aren't looking at moving to Windows 10 anytime remotely soon.
 
OEM said:
I was a bit leery about truing off updates on Win 7, but honestly, I think I'm better off with no updates that might sneak something in and just practicing safe surfing than risking Win10.

I'm running NOD32, as well.
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Practice safe surfing instead of Win10? Seriously? No OS or AV software will protect you from poor browsing habits or garantee your PCs safety. Never has and never will. No amount of updates or latest greatest hogwash. Don't know why people still buy into that fallacy in 2015.
 
*VROOM*

That was the point of my post going over your head.
 
OEM said:
*VROOM*

That was the point of my post going over your head.
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The amount of posts here with the same verbiage as your post yet with a different implication would probably alarm you then. Tone isn't easy to discern through text.
 
FlawleZ said:
The amount of posts here with the same verbiage as your post yet with a different implication would probably alarm you then. Tone isn't easy to discern through text.
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Nothing to do with tone, you misread.
There was no attempt at humour, sarcasm or nastiness.
The words say what he meant.
 
jordan12 said:
So bottom line: Is Windows 10 a trap for everyone? Do we stay with Win 7? I have read a lot of different things on both ends of the spectrum.

I have Win 10, but am worried about it.
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That's the big thing. A lot of people have it and like it, but are worried about the security and what is shared/collected. Microsoft isn't very forthcoming with any information about that, either. Even under NDA, we're only shown a small set of things (telemetry stuff).

If Microsoft were to bite the bullet and either A) lay out exactly what is collected and what it is used for or B) allow the user to turn off EVERYTHING if they choose (which will limit the OS greatly, and invalidate any support). LTSB is an option, but that's mainly for businesses, etc. and not for the average home user.

Previously, the user was in control of the OS. With Windows 10, Microsoft is in control.

Should you stay with Windows 10 or downgrade to Windows 7? How much do you trust Microsoft? I'm on Windows 10, and I share everything. I give feedback via several different methods. I put a lot of trust into Microsoft. Some other Windows MVP's don't. They won't upgrade to 10 because of the privacy and security issues. So, it's a mixed bag. If you have too much concern, and you have no reliance on Win10 (DX12, Cortana, etc.), I'd go for the downgrade. It'll relieve some of those concerns.
 
Ur_Mom said:
That's the big thing. A lot of people have it and like it, but are worried about the security and what is shared/collected. Microsoft isn't very forthcoming with any information about that, either. Even under NDA, we're only shown a small set of things (telemetry stuff).
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http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/online-services

https://technet.microsoft.com/library/mt577208(v=vs.85).aspx
"small set of things"

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/
 
Nenu said:
Nothing to do with tone, you misread.
There was no attempt at humour, sarcasm or nastiness.
The words say what he meant.
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I realize where I went wrong in reading his post. That extra coffee today didn't help my reading comprehension.
 
OEM said:
I was a bit leery about truing off updates on Win 7, but honestly, I think I'm better off with no updates that might sneak something in and just practicing safe surfing than risking Win10.

I'm running NOD32, as well.
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You want AutoPatcher. Anyone on 7 and 8 that values their privacy and doesn't want Microsoft's user-tracking trojans sneaking in through Windows Update, disable updates and use AutoPatcher for security/bugfixes and peace of mind.
 
tordogs said:
The tech previews always do this and will reinstall all the apps I've deleted. Wasn't for sure the public releases were doing the same thing. Have an idea it isn't an accident by any stretch of the imagination. Unless I'm holding it wrong.

Always have to go back after a new build release and re-delete and reset defaults which is time consuming and a rather needless exercise. I'm willing to give MS that on the tech previews but was hoping the public builds were more friendly--and it has the nerve to tell me all my files are in the same place and nothing has been moved. Moved, maybe not but changed, yes. Oh, Microsoft! At least they've pretty much quit turning the radio switches back on for things I had turned off in preferences--at least for now. The old game of cat and mouse methinks.
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Yeah, you'd think they could store your options in a profile file then once the new build is updated, run through it and reset everything.

I think the only options that stuck were the ones I applied via the local GP edit mmc. Privacy, defaults, and certain other settings all reset. No missing applications though.
 
While not that big of a deal (at all), I'm still annoyed by my Google Chrome and Origin icons changing to have black backgrounds. I can't seem to fix it either. Even when I change the shortcuts to point to other icon libraries, they always have a dark background now. Those are the only two programs, too.

Anyone know how to fix that?
 
DPI said:
You want AutoPatcher. Anyone on 7 and 8 that values their privacy and doesn't want Microsoft's user-tracking trojans sneaking in through Windows Update, disable updates and use AutoPatcher for security/bugfixes and peace of mind.
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I haven't seen this before. I'll look into it.

Much thanks, sir.
 
WTF is this? Windows removing installed programs during a service pack upgrade? What has this world become? I know they're not calling it a service pack, they can call it smelly assfruit for all I care, it will still be a service pack.

I don't understand the content reaction of most people to this. I'd be furious, if windows or anything else for that matter started removing programs from my computer on its own.
 
DPI said:
You want AutoPatcher. Anyone on 7 and 8 that values their privacy and doesn't want Microsoft's user-tracking trojans sneaking in through Windows Update, disable updates and use AutoPatcher for security/bugfixes and peace of mind.
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Yes Autopatcher. Works great! it divides your updates into categories. Simply select the Critical updates to install. I've confirmed that all the telemetry crap is not listed in the critical update section. I've been using Autopatcher ever since they announced that Win 7 and 8/8.1 have telemetry. Wonder how long this will last before MS shuts it down?
 
So is it a program that picks which microsoft updates to install via the community?

Its not updates written by random people, is it? I wouldn't think so, but you wouldn't think Microsft would do the shady shit they're doing, either.
 
M76 said:
WTF is this? Windows removing installed programs during a service pack upgrade?
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I have some of the software singled out as being "uninstalled" and that simply has not happened in my cases. Yes, cases, as in plural. All of my installed apps are still installed.

The upgrade is strangely deployed as a full OS upgrade, and I ding MS for that pretty major. It doesn't install like a service pack at all, it installs like upgrading from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10, complete with a new windows.old to remove and some defaults getting changed.

However, quirky as the mechanism is, my 1511 upgraded machines are doing fine so far.
 
Executioner said:
Yes Autopatcher. Works great! it divides your updates into categories. Simply select the Critical updates to install. I've confirmed that all the telemetry crap is not listed in the critical update section. I've been using Autopatcher ever since they announced that Win 7 and 8/8.1 have telemetry. Wonder how long this will last before MS shuts it down?
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I'll consider that, because I just took another update and got the gift of reset again. My power-option configs (the devices I set in Device Manager to not "wake") were reset back to allowing wake. I know it's probably just a side-effect of how Microsoft is applying their updates, but it also could be *conspiracy hat* just because they really want the ability to wake my PC.

My sound-drivers were also reset to the stock settings and I had to go back through those. Program defaults of course.

So .. annoying ..
 
SuperSubZero said:
It doesn't install like a service pack at all
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Spidey329 said:
I'll consider that, because I just took another update and got the gift of reset again. My power-option configs (the devices I set in Device Manager to not "wake") were reset back to allowing wake. I know it's probably just a side-effect of how Microsoft is applying their updates, but it also could be *conspiracy hat* just because they really want the ability to wake my PC.

My sound-drivers were also reset to the stock settings and I had to go back through those. Program defaults of course.

So .. annoying ..
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And if MS follows through on their statements about delivering these kinds of updates "several times a year", then its going to get really annoying for a lot of people. It's 2015 and they can't manage to update the kernel without re-installing the whole operating system?
 
DPI said:
And if MS follows through on their statements about delivering these kinds of updates "several times a year", then its going to get really annoying for a lot of people. It's 2015 and they can't manage to update the kernel without re-installing the whole operating system?
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This is something I find simply amazing, and it's even better in a Windows server environment.
 
The Donut said:
I watch porn now and then - it's always popular, why is this not included as a default install without a user choice?
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Haven't games long been included in Windows without specific user consent? Not saying it's right to do so but who complained about the old Solitaire being installed by default?
 
heatlesssun said:
Haven't games long been included in Windows without specific user consent? Not saying it's right to do so but who complained about the old Solitaire being installed by default?
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Not third party games, let alone ones that seem like a desperate attempt at getting people to lay their credit card info into the Windows App Store.

Heck, isn't the new Solitaire in Windows 10 just microtransaction crap? A subscription to remove ads.
 
Man, the rabbit hole Origin has taken me down. So, I've discovered that Origin essentially requires that I pin it to the main Start Menu. If I unpin it, all shortcuts for the program disappear. No matter where they are. No other programs do that or have a black background on their shortcut.
I've uninstalled and re-installed it. Same thing. No matter where the shortcut is saved, it won't display anywhere outside of the pinned start menu, too.
 
My hope was that Windows 10 would improve the user experience over time.
Its actually getting worse and it was already crap.
 
Nenu said:
My hope was that Windows 10 would improve the user experience over time.
Its actually getting worse and it was already crap.
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I'm teaching an older guy how to use Windows 10 this weekend. He upgraded from Windows 8 (and has used Windows 7 and below for years). He just doesn't understand it, and needs a lot of help he says.

User experience for him isn't great at all so far.
 
Ur_Mom said:
I'm teaching an older guy how to use Windows 10 this weekend. He upgraded from Windows 8 (and has used Windows 7 and below for years). He just doesn't understand it, and needs a lot of help he says.

User experience for him isn't great at all so far.
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So what is he having problems with? I've upgraded about half a dozen people and none of them have had issues with re UI. All but 2 were upgrades from Windows 7.
 
Ur_Mom said:
I'm teaching an older guy how to use Windows 10 this weekend. He upgraded from Windows 8 (and has used Windows 7 and below for years). He just doesn't understand it, and needs a lot of help he says.

User experience for him isn't great at all so far.
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Can you give some specifics? What were tasks he had difficulties accomplishing?
 
heatlesssun said:
So what is he having problems with? I've upgraded about half a dozen people and none of them have had issues with re UI. All but 2 were upgrades from Windows 7.
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SuperSubZero said:
Can you give some specifics? What were tasks he had difficulties accomplishing?
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He's just having a hard time finding things and doing things that were easier for him in previous versions. I'm finding out more this weekend, though. I've usually found new perspective on how they use their PC's or where they trip up.

I'm definitely going to find the weak spots and do a class at the local senior center (did one for Windows 8 a couple years back). They appreciate that stuff a lot. Answer questions, teach the basics, some demo machines to judge if they want to upgrade or not.
 
heatlesssun said:
Haven't games long been included in Windows without specific user consent? Not saying it's right to do so but who complained about the old Solitaire being installed by default?
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Depends on the edition of Windows. Windows 7 Professional and Enterprise? No. Games weren't there by default. If memory serves, the same was true for 2000 Pro and XP Pro (company I'm with skipped Vista and 8/8.1)

If you wanted the games in Pro or Enterprise you had to go to "Turn Windows features on or off" and select Games.
 
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